BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 08:42 PM

This whole thing is just STUPID. So, she had MILK. So, she fed a baby. Gee, isn't that what BREASTS are FOR??????


NOT for male goggling????? Sheesh, ask ANY female mammal.

Me, I am tending towards the opinion that it was because a WHITE woman was nuring a BLACK infant instead of the other way round. Yup, racism is alive and well. Sadly.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 09:01 PM

Obviously just a Publicity Seeker.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 10:25 PM

I've done a few searches, but I have not found the "public outrage" that everyone is claiming is occuring.   People in this forum seem to indicate that people are upset that she was breastfeeding - but the ONLY question I see being raised in the media is the QUESTION of whether it is okay to breastfeed someone elses child. I have not seen anyone playing up a racial angle or questioning the simple act of breastfeeding. Except here on Mudcat of course.   Maybe we are creating issues that do not exist?

Frankly, there is nothing wrong with asking the QUESTION. While Mudcat seems to be filled with folks that know everything, the rest of the world sometimes questions things they are not familar with - and - here is a newsflash - it can often lead to greater understanding of situations that are foreign to their world. I don't wish to shock anyone here, but there are people who are unfamiliar with the situation in Sierra Leone and there are also people who do not know a lot about breastfeeding. While many of us feel superior because we are enlightened, I question the wisdom of posting messages that make the rest of the world seem stupid simply because they do not have the experience with the subject.

At the same time, we have people like PDQ who are posting messages with one hand while searching the internet to get a look at Salma Hayek's rack.   It seems that we have a few Puritans who would rather see her tie those puppies down and ignore her own beauty. Sounds like it traces back to bad toliet training.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:05 PM

There sure are some sexually repressed (or is it depressed) folks on Mudcat nowdays.

OK, here is a picture of Salma without her flaunting her tits:

                                                                           check it out

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:08 PM

So are these pictures supposed to demean her or something?   What is your point PDQ? She is a beautiful woman - that means that she cannot do anything good? What kind of logic do you use?????

Your wrists must be getting tired by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:22 PM

Well, obviously they have more than one purpose, one of which is for male oggling..and she is an exceptionally beautiful woman. I think if an average woman had done the same thing there would be less reaction, because people do ogle when given the opportunity, and then they feel guilty, and then people try to make them feel that is not normal and the only possible function is that of lactation.

Now, really..why is every woman practically on TV, fashionable or not, attractive or not, displaying her charms? Is it because she is lactating? Probably not. What about half-dressed teenagers? This is a multi-purposed organ or two, which is why there is so much fuss.

So modesty is recommended, while still allowing nursing to go on. Men should be respectful of a woman's privacy and women should be respectful of the discomfort that this can cause and try to be modest when they can be. But the health of the babies must be the priority. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:34 PM

OK, Salma Hayek has a lovely mind...and great...

                                                                               humanity

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:42 PM

Face it PDQ, you can't see past a pair of boobs. Ignore everything else just because she is attractive. No wonder you have issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:46 PM

pdq .... I know you think you are making a point, but you really are just making a fool of yourself... something you do a lot of. You see ..... it goes like this. Pointing out that she poses for sexy, beautiful pictures does not indicate that she is something other than a good person. Now I know in your twisted, conservative mind beauty is equated with evil, sexiness means that this person must have an agenda to take advantage of poor unsuspecting males, enticing them into compromising situations to where they just cannot help themselves .... the world should be protected against these immoral vixens, right?????? They have breasts and they don't hide them, the shameless hussies. Why, they even feed starving children with them so the kid can have some nourishment, and then use their celebrity to emphasize the starvation problems, the no-good, wanton seductresses.. Tell you what, I think we should lock them all in your bedroom, chained to the bed and make them look at the shrine, candles and all, that you have created for them....... that'll fix 'em.

Right??????

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:46 PM

What a strange, strange world we live in! Breastfeeding is viewed by some as unnatural or even vulgar. To nurture a child is surely a most natural act and to nurture the child of another in need, an act of kindness and empathy. Those who would find fault with such an act must be of a small mind indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:56 PM

Mick - I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people feel threatened by beauty. The whole image of the "dumb blonde" was developed so that men would not feel threatened by beauty AND brains. Some sort of psychological way of being superior.   PDQ is showing the same traits - he has shown a nearly psychotic need to post pictures of her in sexy poses as if that will somehow validate his point. People like PDQ can't see beyond the skin and is threatened that someone is doing good in the world and that makes them less of a person. Simple attacks, but a defense that has been used for ages.

Luckily, they continue to speak - and expose their own flaws.

Notice how PDQ has ignored posting photos of Hayek as Frida. Notice how he ignores the fact that she continues to pursue low-budget films that have real scripts instead of only starring in summer blockbuster films.   Notice how he fails to recongize her acting awards. Notice how he fails to mention her successful production company. Notice how he fails to mention her awards for directing.   Notice how he fails to recognize her charity work.   For people like PDQ, she ONLY has a nice rack.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 12:18 AM

Should they hide them? Well, that is what a whole lot of at least northern societies have done...not hide while nursing but cover if possible. Flash them to every stranger on the bus if you are a nubile teenager? No, hide them.

Show them to the general public (I am not talking about nursing here..just dress standards)..no. To a particular someone, sure. To dress up at a private dance..sure...

But to have every psychotic or alcoholic or perverted or just lonely man (or woman) have to be uncomfortable, avoid staring, or add to their already great unmet needs, no. I think it is taunting men, I think the younger ones don't realize what they are doing, I think a whole lot of people are a lot too coy and passive aggressive about this..I can dress however I damn well choose and tough if it makes others uncomfortable...

Sometimes it is quite unattractive, although they certainly have as much right as the attractive ones..which I think is counteracted by a need to dress in a responsible manner...shows of display should be selective..not broadcast..I got really annoyed at that white house press secretary..not scott mcclellan..cover up and put smocks, burkas, big t shirts on your daughters. This is certainly not a new concept. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 12:20 AM

and don't get me started on cheerleaders. or Barbie dolls. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 12:44 AM

Don Firth, thanks for the link. Beautiful and great company for Salma!

Careful there, Mick, you'll be giving pdq ideas!:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Peace
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 01:26 AM

The lady did a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 03:17 AM

petty dumb quibble

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 09:24 AM

This one's for PDQ

Just another do-gooder in a swimsuit

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:10 AM

Oh dear!

I hope PDQ doesn't have a coronary.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: olddude
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:13 AM

Some people I guess feel threatened by a beautiful woman
who does good work ... never will figure that one out

I am friends with and have worked with some of the top supermodels in this country and you would not believe how many sick kids they help through their donations and charity work ...

And yes they wear swimsuits and pose for big magazines in sexy dress. Ya know what that is their job ... just like we all have a job. And some are self centred- and all about themselves -, and others are as beautiful inside as they are outside.

Labeling people by looks is something I learned not to do as a little kid. some people never learn it

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:19 AM

I missed Don Firth's link ~ by the time I tried it this morning, it yielded "page-not-found."

Was it amusing? Titllating (pun intended)? I hate to miss anytintg like this...

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:22 AM

You know, sort of lost in this whole discussion is one of the reasons she did this, that is the men of that country insisting their women quit nursing so that they may have sex with them.

So, male hormones + taboo = starving children.

Maybe not in the particular instance of the newborn Hayek fed, but the article did note that is why women there do not nurse as long as their children may need and one would assume they don't have a ready supply of formula with which to replace mother's milk.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:26 AM

Thanks for the link to Sarah Palin in a bathing suit!

She looks fine. Actually, she and Salma Hayek have a similar look. Good luck to both.

As I said, using your God-given assets to good advantage is just fine. The response by people on this thread to that basic assertion is hysterical.

Only observation about "the incident" is that she should have gone inside a tent (or whatever was there). A lady pulling her boobs out in public, for any reason, is an unusual event and will get her attention. As an actress, she snows that.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:29 AM

Duh! Are you simply not paying attention PDQ?   Of course she wanted the cameras to see it. The whole idea was to help change the perception that exists in Africa and to draw attention to the issues in Sierra Leone and elswehere. Wake up PDQ!

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:30 AM

"As I said, using your God-given assets to good advantage is just fine. The response by people on this thread to that basic assertion is hysterical. "

But you are the only one that everyone is laughing at. Are you admitting that your response was basically stupid????

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:45 AM

This is kinda fun.

Watching people with no sense of humor get raving histerical.

BTW, most Americans know that kids in Arica are starving. I collected donations for UNICEF myself. Before miss Hayek was born.

And I do hope she uses her new-found fame for good purposes, but I have said that several times already.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:56 AM

"new-found fame"

I've always really liked this actress, she's been about for long enough!
Funny, intelligent, down to earth, and of course extremely attractive...
Now she's using her celebrity status, to deliberately raise the profile of an important issue.
Job done!

Breastfeeding in public, isn't the most glamorous thing I can imagine someone like that wanting to do in order to further her career...!

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:57 AM

It's fun to watch you wiggle PDQ! I guess it it isn't in your nature to admit to mistakes!

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:11 AM

"Watching people with no sense of humor get raving histerical."

Yep, the typo is a mistake. I damit it.

For fun, I looked up the word I inadvertantly spelled...

Hister beetles
Histerids are usually shiny black or metallic-green beetles with introverted heads.
Carrion-feeding forms generally hide under a corpse during the daylight, ...

Well dang! That does sound just like Ronnie-o. Perhaps it's the odd green color that gives him away.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:14 AM

I'm having a real good time watching you squirm with your assinine assumptions. Read my posts, they are far from hysterical. You just keep digging yourself in deeper.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:20 AM

I think my favorite movie of Salma's is

After The Sunset

It's a fun caper movie about jewel thieves in the Caribbean. With Pierce Brosnan, Don Cheadle and Woody Harrelson.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:27 AM

And here is one of her in a contemplative mood...

                                                    the world's problems to solve

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:27 AM

"Carrion-feeding forms generally hide under a corpse during the daylight"

Speaking of which, *that* Snake Dance scene from one of my fave vampire flicks... Brill, fun plasticine horror.

From Dusk Till Dawn Tarantino wrote that table scene is just so he could drink wine from her foot. What a little perve ;-)

A good thirteen years old now. I have a feeling she's like, "been there, done that!"
Hope it's not too err, 'stimulating' for folks here.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:45 AM

I can see a future member of Congress in this face...

                                                                     better than most there now, I suspect

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:46 AM

I can't beleive you good folks are catering to this attention junkie.

PDQ is getting fat on all the well meant and sadly, wastefully placed ministrations to his social and spiritual education.

Save yourself the effort and just send him piccies of starving babies.

That should really get his rocks off.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 11:48 AM

He's a hoot!   For someone who never heard of her until yesterday (so he claims), he is spending a lot of time downloading photos and typing with one hand.   He is going to go blind and grow hair on his palms if he keeps this up!

It is purely his defense mechanism - deflecting admission of his error in judgement.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 12:14 PM

BTW, the comparison of Salma Hayek with Sarah Palin seens almost reasonable. Palin was born in 1964, Hayek in 1966. Both are beauty contest caliber ladies and both chose to have children after 40. If all women had their children between the ages of 25 and 40 years old, the problem of excessive population growth would be solved.

Here she is again...

                                     with friend

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 02:12 PM

Actually, I can almost..almost..sympathise with PDQ regarding part of this exchange. This remark, earlier on, just isn't that malevolent:
"Actually, I think she is a nice looking lady. Never heard of her before this PR trick. Hope she uses it to good advantage. Nothing wrong with hepling herself, the poor, the people of her country, her parents, et al...

And PDQ has given every indication of grinning and pulling chains, without taking a bunch of this at all seriously.

But there is a grating attitude, and an inability to grasp the whole point of Hayek's action, relected in these lines, to say the least:
"she needs to decide if she is "cheesecake" or Mother Teresa"
"she should have gone inside a tent"
Others here have beaten me to responding to them appropriately.

Truth be, at times I've just felt a little sad for PDQ. PDQ, has it ever occurred to you for a moment that very few people react quite so negatively to quite so many things in this world?

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 02:38 PM

I'm still able to get the link okay, PoppaGator, but just in case, here it is again:   CLICKY #1.

But here's another on the same theme:   CLICKY #2.

For the super-cynical PDQ's enlightenment and education, this kind of thing has been going on for some time now. What's the problem? Fall asleep in biology class?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 02:53 PM

I'm sitting in a meeting. Next to me, on my left, is Theresa, who has just recently given birth to a baby girl whom she is holding in her lap. As the meeting progresses, the baby gets fussy. So Theresa lifts up one side of her sweater and holds the baby to her breast. Nothing showing except a bit of bare skin.

Everybody in the room noticed, of course; nobody commented, everybody averted their eyes a bit to give Theresa and the baby a bit of privacy (although there wasn't anything much to see), and the meeting proceeded as usual.

No sweat. No comments, then or afterward. Nobody had a hissy-fit.

Theresa's daughter is now about twelve years old.

So . . . What's the big deal?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 03:55 PM

And for those preoccupied with Salma's admittedly fabulous breasts, again, the breast-feeding footage, showed not as much as a postage stamps worth of flesh.

Anyway, she's obviously an amazingly attractive woman, who as we can see full well has long ago "been there and done that", and is so *desperate* to promote herself that she *chooses* to work *behind* the camera these days...

So, as well as being a Mum, and doing good grounded humanitarian stuff, that needs to be done. The fact that she also happens to be gorgeous and bloody sexy is kinda neither here nor there. Nor are the standard publicity photos that every sleb has taken.

But I sure don't think she needs to get her tits out to feed black babies, in order to promote herself...

Anyway's I think most folks get it.

I've always personally liked her lots, as an image of a smart, strong, self-possessed, sexy woman. With a fantastic example of a very non-anorexic/classically 'feminine' body, who really is on top of her game in an industry which so often chews up and spits out women.

Good on her, for risking the bad publicity which she has, in doing something so obviously controversial - for those reasons she was already there to promote.
And more power to her elbow. It seems a fairly cut and dried case to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 04:01 PM

"If God had meant women to trollop around in public showing their breasts, they would have been born without bras!!!" ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 04:24 PM

Good one, LH!

Don: "CLICKY #1" gave me the same "not-found" here on my at-work computer that the earlier link had given me at home. I guess I'm just not meant to see it.

I was able to access "#2," so I understand the general drift.

PDF: I hope you're having as much fun with this as everyone else. If I was a little personally nasty yesterday, I'm sorry. (Of course, I still stand by all my expressed opinions.)

With all the Salma-pictures being posted, how 'bout one of two of them showing her portraying that moustachioed and extremely homely Mexican artist?

What impresses me most about Ms Hayek, or at least most recently, is her prominent role as a producer and performer in TV comedy. I'm not a fan, or even a viewer, of Ugly Betty, but I'm really enjoying her role in the wonderful 30 Rock.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: pdq
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 04:41 PM

"how 'bout one of two of them showing her portraying that moustachioed and extremely homely Mexican artist?"
~ Poppagator

Well, this is the closest I could get to filling that request. It should get Don Firth all excited by the...


                                                                pubescence

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 05:11 PM

Very amusing, PDQ, but I don't see what you're getting at. You're the one who seems to be all excited.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Joybell
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 05:36 PM

Back about 30 years I was working as a nurse in a small hospital. I remember a woman who had to have an operation who arrived with her young baby and a friend with her baby. For a day or two the friend breast-fed both babies. Everyone was happy. Mothers, babies, nursing staff -- we had little time to feed extra babies or even prepare and warm bottles.
Beforehand some staff members were a little surprised. Some thought it strange and unnatural. There were comments like, "I could never do that" and ,"What's wrong with using bottles for a few days?" They changed thier minds when it worked so well.
Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 06:50 PM

I did a search on the image name in Don's link. He was getting some Picasa verbage that seemed to be messing up the link. See if this works

Great eye contact

Awww! So sweet.

Etched in bronz.

Dorthea Lange migrant mother image.

Another historic mother image.

Here's one for PDQ. She's such a bitch to pose for this photo.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 07:15 PM

. . . Howling with laughter!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 07:26 PM

That gave me an idea.

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your . . . um. . . ."

As legend has it.

But then, I wouldn't want PDQ to go postal!

(At which point, a nervous titter went through the crowd.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Janie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:30 PM

I"m bored and trying to stay awake until I get in the car to go pick up Sum Yung Sun from a Valentine party a good 20 miles from here, so consider this post in the nature of a "hit and run."

Seems like there are a couple of molehills being turned into mountains.

This is one of the silliest threads I have read through on the 'Cat recently. Like Ron noted, it doesn't sound to me like the lady is getting flack. My Ex sponsors a a "Bug Day" twice a year where numerous and assorted insects are caught, roasted, sauted, stewed or friccasseed then consumed. It is attended with relish by, among others, my son. I never participated because I'm too squeamish, but that doesn't mean I think it is wrong or unsanitary or...something.

If any number of other people were posting what PDQ is posting to this particular thread, I suspect many would respond with humor instead of rancor. PDQ does not need, warrant, or probably want me defending him. I'm just making an observation. Seems to me like he is having fun yanking chains....and it is kinda funny to "watch."


There are, by the way, reasons to exercise some caution regarding cross feeding in this day and age that would warrant organizations that promote breast feeding and milk donation to refrain from endorsing direct cross feeding, issues of potential liability being a major one. Medications and a number of drugs can be passed through breast milk. I'm guessing a number of pathogens can also. The immunity passed to an infant through breast milk likely presupposes some genetic resistance within a population to common regional pathogens. (I don't know this, I'm simply speculating.) Consider that before you think disparaging thoughts about these organizations. They have to be cautious.

Subject: RE: BS: Salma Hayek breastfeeding flack
From: Janie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:32 PM

And with "100" I'm out of here and on the road.