BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:34 AM

Fair enough some people read your myspace blog, but as you say yourself (if I understand correctly) the actual attendance of people who would turn up and listen to you is fairly minimal (sorry if thats blunt), so why should a promoter spend their time and money taking a risk on you ?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:34 AM

Ruth you ARE confused, because in the one post you both say I don't have the ability ,upon a request, and imply that I'm not trying, whilst assuming that none of my 4 technical certificates involve retraining - which also suggests you are not so good at human resources.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:38 AM

I asked you a question; exactly how long have you been out of work, WAV?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:39 AM

Fair enough some people read your myspace blog, but as you say yourself (if I understand correctly) the actual attendance of people who would turn up and listen to you is fairly minimal (sorry if thats blunt)"...I didn't make that negative jump, Folkandroots.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:39 AM

Well, I assume that your technical certificates are still within the area of manufacturing. Have you thought about pursuing a new career path?

I don't think I ever claimed to be an HR specialist, did I?

But I do think, David, if you're looking for a way to earn a living, you might need to be a bit more realistic about the fact that your music and poetry are likely to remain a hobby.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:47 AM

Ok Walkabout but the point Im making or at least trying to ask is why you think a promoter should take a chance on you (and in a sense thats a general issue as much as it is personal), most promoters/clubs etc on the folk scene are small scale and those doing the promoting do it in their own free time and often at their own expense, so to ask the question again why should/would they take a chance on a paid booking that simply wouldn't pay, i.e they would lose money on?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:53 AM

Largely ignorant of computers and the web in the mid-noughties, Ruth, I've taken both a software and hardware level one certificate - which should be helpful to my prospects in a number of spheres.

"But I do think, David, if you're looking for a way to earn a living, you might need to be a bit more realistic about the fact that your music and poetry are likely to remain a hobby." (Ruth)...again, confused, as I've just mentioned VARIOUS attempts, without ever suggesting I think folk/poetry is my best chance. Rather, I repeat, if asked to do a full paid gig, I'll have a go.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM

What are software and hardware level one? I'm confused, I work at a lowly level in IT and as far as I understand the entry level computing qualification (now almost mandatory for any computer based job) is the ECDL.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:19 AM

Folkandroots: I think it would depend on the organiser, but, generally, I've heard/know of myspace being used, C.D.s being sent, requests following singarounds/competitions, airplay, someone putting in a good word...but, going by your nickname, maybe you could add to this for us...

Davetnova - software/IT Certificate; hardware/iPro Certificate; and I never mentioned a "computer based job" (you) but "which should be helpful to my prospects in a number of spheres" (me).

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:29 AM

You mean this - The OCR Level 1 National Award has been designed to:
• address the needs of candidates at Level 1, who require a:
- smaller sized offering that can be delivered alongside a wider programme of study
- smooth progression route to Level 2 Nationals in ICT, for those candidates who would benefit from a programme providing motivation through step-by-step achievement.
• develop candidates' ICT knowledge, understanding and skills by offering a broad range of user and practitioner units
• provide accreditation of the knowledge, understanding and skills that would be needed by an employee in an office environment either in an administrative role or junior IT support role.

[preparatory certificate to enable entry to level 2]Did you not carry on then?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:31 AM

So out of interest, David, what kinds of jobs are you currently applying for? I don't really know anything about IT qualifications, but presumably these would help you to apply for general clerical work and admin jobs?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Davetnova
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:32 AM

and again - Progression options available to candidates who have gained this qualification are:

• Enter employment at an operative level (eg Administration Assistant, IT Support) and undertake an Apprenticeship scheme or single NVQ (or other occupational qualification) appropriate to their job role.

• Undertake additional Level 1 or Level 2 qualifications part-time or full-time in further education (eg OCR Level 2 National Award/First Certificate/Certificate in ICT, GCSE, GCE).

Progression into employment, perhaps through an Apprenticeship scheme, is also supported by the relationship of this qualification to National Occupational Standards.

Progression to this qualification could be from the OCR Level 1 National First Award, OCR Entry Level Digital Literacy or Level 1 Certificate for IT Users although no prior learning is required.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:33 AM

Oh your god, David!
Stop bandying around The Sage Gateshead.

The Free Thinking Festival had an open debate where members of the public could engage guest speakers in a discussion. Entry was free to all. David, you were not booked as a speaker, you turned up on the day, put your hand up and opened your mouth. This is the same as me doodling on the wall in the Tate Modern and then telling the world that my works are on display in there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/freethinking/2009/contributors.shtml#f
Here is a list of everyone who officially contributed at this event - please note that there is no David.

Come on, my little man! All of the competitions and publications of your life's work have come through open competitions and free magazines. They are not to be taken as ringing endorsements of your skill as a 'poet'.

Let me reiterate:
Your 'poetry' sucks
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:40 AM

As you say Walks it does depend on the organiser and on the nature of the night, it also depends on whether the artist would expect to be paid for their spot or indeed how much. I only asked because you mentioned below that should someone wish to offer you a paid gig you would be happy to take them up on the offer - hence my question as to why someone should take that chance on you etc

But as I suspect everyone else on this board knows you are correct word of mouth, myspace (usually by using myspace as a demo rather a promoter randomly coming across someone on myspace), can all help in getting a gig/support slot etc but this varies from club to club, venue to venue, place to place, audience to audience

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:55 AM

Fair play, Tom - I never gave those details, but merely said the truth that it was recorded and may be broadcast, complete with audience response...maybe it has been...I'm not sure..? And, no matter how heated it gets, I never resort to "little man" type remarks.

To D. and R.: again, I never pretended those are anything other than level 1/intro certificates, but doubt that, without them, I'd be applying online for an admin job, as we speak...back to it...

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:58 AM

The two IT certificates David boasts about are intended to help those with no knowledge of IT gain a level of knowledge that would enable them to enter more formal training, either in IT or other roles. They are not intended to stand alone as qualifications; it's rather like someone saying (at a higher level) 'I have a qualification; the first year of a degree course'. Let's not forget though; he also has a fork-truck certificate, but I don't think he's applying for warehouse jobs. Anyway, it doesn't seem to be convincing employers, does it?
WAV; if you are applying for managerial or supervisory jobs, I'm afraid your ambitions are doomed. In either of these roles you would be responsible for people and their employment. In this context, your views on women and foreign nationals are unlawful, and if enacted in the workplace would result in large fines for the employer and certain dismissal for you. Bear in mind that most employers now do a check on MySpace, Facebook and Google for any prospective employers. If they look for you, they will find that;
Your 'poetry' sucks
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

You still don't get it, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM

'Little man' is a term of endearment where I come from, Davey!
I never get heated; cool as a proverbial.

One for Folkandroots:
I once heard some Walkabouts Verse
And found the ideas were perverse
At the start of the show
I got up to go
Demanding to be reimbursed.

I'm a poet, I know it.
Tomo

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: folkandroots
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:06 AM

Would you like a gig Tomo?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:11 AM

Tar man. - Maybe I'll get my doodles displayed at the Tate Modern soon.
See Mr WAV, it's just that easy.
TDawg

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:21 AM

Half your luck, Tom - beats filling in an online admin form...women's work - only joking! :-(>

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM

My keyboard seems to be infected with typoitis today...I meant 'prospective employees' above, not 'prospective employers'. I ran a Google search for you, WAV; 'David Franks' first, then chased down the 'Walkaboutsverse' connection, as any good HR professional would do. Unless you take all the racist and sexist rubbish down, you haven't a hope of finding a job as a manager, unless you want to work for the BNP. This is good advice; if you are serious about finding a job, you should pay heed. By 'racist and sexist rubbish', by the way, I mean most of your 'poetry' apart from the purely descriptive stuff. Anything where you offer any sort of opinion is dodgy in this context.
As you know;
Your 'poetry' sucks
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:10 PM

Tim - at the moment, a "David Franks" search is topped by the other "poetdavidfranks", who just passed away; but, yes, persistent H.R. people may now find that questioning economic-immigration is one reason for my repatriation from Australia, and may not get the abovementioned urge to ask me "Why on EARTH did you come back?!". But God knows how many times I've had to tell you, and others have too, that questioning the act of immigration is NOT "racist", and that I am no "bigot".

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:19 PM

You never answered Ruth Archer's quetion about that, did you? How many times have you been asked "Why on EARTH did you come back?!" in interviews? To add a question of my own; how do you answer? Bear in mind that
Your 'poetry' sucks
It has been posted repeatedly before
It is full of bigoted and racist statements
That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.
I know the poet David Franks has just died WAV. I was tempted to post an obituary on here, just to see what the reaction was, but that would have been mischievous; I'm actually trying to help you here. Take the offensive stuff down as I suggest; I called a couple who are senior HR recruitment professionals, and they were unanimous in saying they wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot bargepole if that's how you really think. Read the book I suggested, WAV, I urge you. You'll be horrified, but enlightened.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 12:50 PM

I answer you calmly and patiently, Tim, and you repeat the same crazy rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:35 PM

David:

It's not crazy rubbish if you are seeking employment in fact; it is good advice not to let your seamy side hang out when trying to land a position of any magnitude.

A

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:37 PM

Just curious WAV. What number of hours were needed to complete your 4 technical certificates?

Six? Thirty? More????

And how far out of date are they?


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:11 PM

Amos - as you know, there are pros and cons with giving our real- as well as nick-name on the web; I do want my life's work to be known, and think there's some possibility of earning from it in the future, thus I've chosen to do so; and what you must finally come to terms with is that some DO like my poems - for just one example, The Cloud Appreciation Society have chosen to include some on their site.

That's a big ask, Stu - one is an Advanced Cert in Manufacturing Technology, which, without the exemptions I got from previous study, was/is 2 years full-time, I think; and then there's my beloved (by others here more than me!) fork lift licence that took a couple of weeks, I think.

And not very out-of-date - a couple of years ago, I purchased a production management text-book to allow for this.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

Have just realised something.
It's our taxes that pay Mr Franks electricity bill, which powers up his computer.
I'd rather my taxes went towards Health/Education/Anything.
David. Get A Job. Any Job. Why not gravedigging? good manual labour, and you could do the rest of us an enourmous favour by burying your "Lifes Good Work".
And I'm with Ruth, as a one time Club organiser.
You wouldn't even get through the door, let alone a floor spot...As for being paid for a performance???? You have 30 years of rehearsing to do first, even then your very dubious political views would just confirm you as Not wanted on voyage.
You have as much chance of paid employment in the Arts, as I have of being an Astronaut.
Nah...Gravedigging is the best option. And if you dig long enough you'll end up at home again...Australia.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:41 PM

IF.....and it is a HUGE IF......you have actually gotten into interviews, I am positive that you are a laugh riot......after you're gone. Try not to kid yourself here, it has zip shit nothing to do with this stupid repatriation crap. If your answers to interview questions are even one tenth on the order of the answers you give here, I assure you that you talked yourself out of any possible chance for employment in the first five minutes......maybe even less.

Although you are free to think your certificates and all are worth jackshit, they are not nearly as important as your actual experience and demonostrated skills and abilities. In this economy there is no shame in taking a lower level job until something else comes along. Any future employer will appreciate someone who is willing to work and has a fine work record at anything. Sitting idly on your ass impresses no one. You can sell the difficult economy and like stories only so long. At this point you look like a lazy fucker riding along on the dole.

So IF you get an interview after all this time, you need to be ten times better in the interview than anyone else. I think it safe to say you are not capable of that based on what I and others have seen of you here. Poetry can be a hobby as can music but don't delude yourself on your ability at either. You are not a pro and you're a long way from being one. Same is true of me and a boatload of other 'Catters and many of them are far better than either one of us.

You are living in Fantasyland and your social attitudes are frankly not just "the old way and days" thing you seem to long for, but to put the absolute best face on them, they come under the heading of "separate but equal," a concept ruled as bigotry and unworkable over 50 years ago.

People around here are willing to help all the time but when you act like a conceited ass with the mindset of a bigot and racist you will get nothing from them. Separate but equal IS a bigots position.

Now stop with the repetitious verses and go get a job. Once again:

--Your 'poetry' sucks
--It has been posted repeatedly before
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:44 PM

Dear David:

If by your life's work you mean the doggerel verses you have been so adamantly posting in this thread and the predecessor to it, I can give you high marks for persistence, but will not offer any encouragement. I offered you some advice a few months back on how to go about plumbing the mysteries of what makes poetry work, when it does--I think I referred you to Cleanth Brooks' book on Understanding Poetry. As with much of the other well-meant advice upthread, I suppose it slid off your sturdy, waterproof back. Well and good. Absent that understanding, which I am certain you do not presently possess, I strongly suspect the proceeds from this life-work of yours will measure in the coppers. I do not mean to discourage you, because your adamantine perseverance is admirable if a bit eccentric. Maybe you would profit from memorizing a dozen of Mister Shakespeare's sonnets, or committing some of Yeats' pieces to heart.


A

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM

Delusion bordering on the very attitudes you falsely accuse me of - briefly, I have a couple of good work references, as well as having passed the abovementioned practical and theoretical exams, Spaw; Amos, you keep ignoring, or pretending to, the fact that some do like my verses - unless you think they place them, as "doggerel", in their periodicals and websites to put readers off; Ralphie - still insisting I'm Australian when you surely know by now I was born here and have lived here many years.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 04:36 PM

OK, David, God bless, may your avid admirers grow to the tens and may you retire on your earnings as a major poet. Why the hell not. Weirder things have happened--the elections of Bush come to mind.
Your poetry may be indefensibly mediocre but at least you stand up for it. That much is admirable.


A

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 07:31 PM

I've just been called crazy by Walkaboutsverse! Now that bears thinking about. WAV, I'm very tired, having worked all day and spent four hours this evening rehearsing with a new band, so I might be a bit grumpy. Please review my last ten posts, and explain which bits you think are crazy. I'm really trying to help you here. It's not the fact that you are an immigrant that is keeping you from employment, it's the fact that you are a bigoted, racist, sexist and idle idiot who persists in advertising that fact electronically to potential employers. All of those things can be changed if you are prepared to listen and reflect, take stock of your life and start doing things differently. Until then;
--Your 'poetry' sucks
--It has been posted repeatedly before
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:13 AM

The cloud appreciation society it seems to me publish poems submitted to them in order of submission - no editorial scrutiny then...


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:36 AM

(Tim - in your last few posts you've told us how you considered posting a misleading obituary here, upon noticing a different poetdavidfranks had just passed away; you bragged about playing a "bruising" game of rugby against females, without any consideration of what damage may be done to their breasts, etc; you repeatedly call someone, who has never knocked any particular race/culture, a "racist" and a "bigot"; you repeatedly call that same person an "immigrant", when you have repeatedly been told of birth here in England, etc. - that IS "crazy".

Stu - if you send off a poem there, you'll see that it takes quite a while to appear (if it does appear), so editing is probably involved.)

With the C. of E. Synod discussing female Bishops at the moment, I'd like to remind that I have no problem with the next Archbishop of Canterbury being a female - because Archbishops DON'T have to lift heavy weights, etc. And there is nothing wrong, either, with a man doing a bit of...

Poem 93 of 230: ONE-POT COOKING

While living as a bachelor,
    I've cooked in just one pot -
Cast iron with a wooden handle,
    It can hold quite a lot:

Slices of potato and carrot
    Are boiled a while,
Before a thinly-chopped onion
    Is mixed with the pile;

Then I drain off most of the water,
    Add canned lentils and beans,
Stir with spice and tomato sauce -
    To an end, it's a means.

(C) David Franks 2003
From WalkaboutsVerse - and there's a pic today.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:57 AM

"you bragged about playing a "bruising" game of rugby against females, without any consideration of what damage may be done to their breasts, etc"

The point is, David, that it is the choice of the women themselves whether or not to engage in a game of rugby - or tennis, or American football. Their bodies, their choice about what risks they choose to take. It isn't for you to make the choice for them.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:02 AM

Tim, I am also shocked by your flippant lack of consideration for ladies' breasts. Pay more attention to them next time, or fear the wrath of WAV - secret guardian of a lady's wobbles.

PS - Cloud Appreciation Society quote:
"Any cloud-lovers' poems for inclusion should be sent to: [e-mail].
Remember to include your full name and where you live. If yours hasn't appeared yet, be patient, we are putting them up in order, and will get to you soon."
- I think all of the editorial scrutiny on this site is done by the spam blocker on the afroementioned email account (hence only having one of David's poems on there)

Tomtits

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:09 AM

Well you've certainly got the English taste for terrible food there, WAV - and all washed down with mead no doubt... When it comes to one-pot cooking then that pot has to be the WOK, which I was introduced to by my Chinese-Northumbrian friends circa 1967 as an integral aspect of true Tyneside cuisine. Have a poke around Wing Hong's on Stowell Street (aka China Town) for some fine regional flavours & utensils - and if this offends your - er - non-racist sense of ethnic purity, then reflect if you will that Wing Hong has been there as long as I can recall - a very essential part of the rich cultural landscape of my home toon, and certainly more English than that billy-can out-back walkabout slop your serving up at Chez-Wav. Try telling these people they don't belong where they are; try telling them that their input into local culture is anything but an enrichment.

Anyhoo. The basic rule of thumb is the only time vegetables should touch water is when you wash them; boiling a vegetable is a sin against all good taste & offends the very fabric of material creation - peas notwithstanding of course, but they're more in the bean / pulse class.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:38 AM

Archbishops DON'T have to lift heavy weights

Well, ladies and gentlemen, here we are at the 2012 Olympics, and the Weight-lifting For Clerics event is just about to start. I can see the teams limbering up in their corner at the moment, and I have to say that Rowan Williams, the captain of the English squad is looking good in his team colours of white leotard with the three red crucifixes on the pocket. He's just preparing himself for the heavyweight snatch at the moment and seems very confident. Across the floor, the Greek team look to be in good condition - Patriarch Bartholomew in particular - but the main contenders for the prizes will be the Russians, led by
the giant Patriarch Kirill, a huge man in bright red tights. The judges are taking their seats now, Archbishop Williams is stepping on to the podium...

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:13 AM

WAV, you dimwit, try reading for context. I didn't 'brag' about anything, I merely related a true and pertinent story. Please explain where I claim to be proud of this particular exploit. Your oft-posted views on here, when subjected to scrutiny using academically accepted definitions, show you to be the very worst sort of racist and bigot; one who has no understanding of why this is so, and no wish to learn.
Re; the posting of an obituary for David Franks; why would this have been misleading (had I chosen to post it, which I didn't)? There could have been no possibility of confusion; David Franks was a published, talented and insightful poet, with a large number of fans and admirers, whereas you;
--Your 'poetry' sucks
--It has been posted repeatedly before
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 09:36 AM

"that billy-can out-back walkabout slop your serving up" (Sean)...a bit harsh from one who hasn't tasted my pottages! By the way, there's no "cast iron" pot in my pic as, a few years ago, it became a crack pot...
Mandotim - rather than repeat, I refer you to my above responses.
Will - you weren't named after that particular weight-lifter, were you..?

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:37 AM

You forgot to respond to me, David. And I think it's quite an important point:

"you bragged about playing a "bruising" game of rugby against females, without any consideration of what damage may be done to their breasts, etc"

The point is, David, that it is the choice of the women themselves whether or not to engage in a game of rugby - or tennis, or American football. Their bodies, their choice about what risks they choose to take. It isn't for you to make the choice for them.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:23 AM

You won't get a response or an explanation or a reason for WAV's pronouncement on women and sport - because he hasn't got one, merely a paternal, sexist prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Smedley
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:26 AM

And an abiding interest in bosoms.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:05 PM

Will, joking apart, then, are you aware that, unlike me, many males are against female bishops per se?

Smedley - isn't that the female area, logically, most at risk in a heavy contact sport such as rugby - if, like me, you check google, you'll soon see similar concern from others. And...

"You forgot to respond to me, David. And I think it's quite an important point:

"you bragged about playing a "bruising" game of rugby against females, without any consideration of what damage may be done to their breasts, etc"

The point is, David, that it is the choice of the women themselves whether or not to engage in a game of rugby - or tennis, or American football. Their bodies, their choice about what risks they choose to take. It isn't for you to make the choice for them."...there's no question there, Ruth, and I have addressed this issue just above with some very recent history (e.g., NO girls at all playing football, let alone rugby, when I was a kid - I'm 43); so I'll try some Shakespeare, instead:

"Liberty, as surfeit, is the father of much fast" (from Measure to Measure).

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:06 PM

What about homosexual officers of the Church WAV?
Or particularly how would you feel about the next Archbishop of Canterbury being lesbian? Or non-white?.

I'm with Sean on veg. Steam, sweat, stir-fry - don't boil.

Qualifications are of little use without continuous experience and regular updating and development.

Put CPD in Google


Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: s&r
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:15 PM

124 copy pastes in Google matching "Liberty, as surfeit, is the father of much fast walkaboutsverse"

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:17 PM

WAV:

Work out all the differences between "many" and "good".



A

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:32 PM

"...there's no question there, Ruth, and I have addressed this issue just above with some very recent history (e.g., NO girls at all playing football, let alone rugby, when I was a kid - I'm 43); so I'll try some Shakespeare, instead:

"Liberty, as surfeit, is the father of much fast" (from Measure to Measure)."


So you are saying, WAV, that you would actively prevent women playing these sports? How?

I wonder if you've ever read The Handmaid's Tale...it strikes me as exactly the sort of theocratic, insular, paternalistic society you aspire to. It is also recognised, by most sane people, as a dystopia in which women are utterly disenfranchised.

Can I ask, seriously, why you think that women who are living happy, fulfilled, independent lives with good careers, fulfilling personal relationships and flourishing families, would ever take any notice of your rules? So keep spouting your wacky opinions, but you have to realise that this is all they will ever be. Meanwhile, women will keep raising their kids going to work and lifting 25kg bags of coal and playing tennis and generally living their lives, without taking a blind bit of notice of you.

Subject: RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: mandotim
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 12:35 PM

'Mandotim - rather than repeat, I refer you to my above responses.'
And I, WAV, would refer you to the dozens of questions you have been asked on this thread which you have failed to answer. There is a difference, you pretend poet, between responses and answers. One more time; you asserted that I was bragging about playing in a mixed game of rugby. Please show precisely where I expressed one iota of inappropriate pride in having done so. In the meantime, comfort yourself with knowing that;
--Your 'poetry' sucks
--It has been posted repeatedly before
--It is full of bigoted and racist statements
--That which isn't racist is often incredibly juvenile
--It is obvious to most that you have limited knowledge of the world, especially considering your supposed travels.