BS: Should you alienate Fascists?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST, Poxicat
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 03:53 AM

Mark, please consider yourself alienated. Go away. And preferably do not go to the Sweeps' festival either, particularly not the beer festival. If I spot you I will reveal your membership.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 04:31 AM

Don.....The point I was making, is that there is much more hatred engendered here over PERCEIVED racism(I have yet to hear any BNP member espouse such a view; as opposed to political objections to immigration), than there is over actual war crimes which are routinely practiced by "liberal democratic" governments like the US or UK.

Your hatred of the BNP is a petty, personal hatred(knee jerk?),rather than one that has much relevance in the REAL world.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 04:36 AM

I think it might be time to put this thread to bed. Don and Fred has now said they want to sort these Bnp/fascists out. Good luck to both of you. The only purpose that is served by keeping this open is to invite namecalling and genetically identical individuals turning up on other sites.

It seems that it's impossible to argue with these people(e.g. Don and Fred have been repeating the same slogans over and over without any arguments from those they target), ignoring them would be more reasonable.

Members here do not support fascism and have never supported it. I think that some people here are just stuck in stereotypes and thus they think that all parties outside Lab/Con, are actually Fascists, but it's not so.Is it so hard to understand it?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 04:54 AM

"PERCEIVED racism(I have yet to hear any BNP member espouse such a view; as opposed to political objections to immigration)"


Nick Griffin advises American White Supremacists on how to "sell" their ideas

Nick Griffin denies Holocaust & says he'd send all non-whites home

Nick Griffin's views on having a black American president

former BNP member explains their tactics

BNP 2005 manifesto - "biological separation"


I've got more if you want them...

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 05:08 AM

I was of course, talking of BNP supporters on this forum.

I myself do not support any political party

Nor do I search for obscure propaganda

Do all Labour voters share in the blood dripping from Blair's hands?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 05:16 AM

It ain't obscure, being readily available on Youtube - and most of it is their own (albeit internal) propaganda.

Regardless of what any BNP members who have posted on this forum have (or have not) admitted to, these are the beliefs of their party.

Personally, I am not a member of the Labour party and have been on anti-war, Not In My Name demonstrations. That's how I've expressed my disapproval of our government's actions.

So how do these purportedly non-racist members of the BNP publicly address and denounce the proven racism of their leaders?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 05:17 AM

First,

I was of course, talking of BNP supporters on this forum.

Nick Griffin has, alegedly, been on this forum. There have been extreme racist views put forward on this forum that have, quite rightly, been deleted.

Next, I don't support any political party either but I can see the difference between them!

Finaly

Nor do I search for obscure propaganda

No - you don't need to. You can make it up, as in "Do all Labour voters share in the blood dripping from Blair's hands?" The right wing press is missing a trick not employing you ake:-)

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 05:33 AM

But aren't Labour worse.

How many here will still vote for them..... after Blair, the corruption, the financial incompetence. Hoon, Straw, Jowell they are disgusting!

Cant you still see them and hear them, lecturing us on why we must assist in the slaughter of a generation of Iraqis? Only they didn't use the words(the biggest crime of the BNP)....but they knew and they didnt care!

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 06:04 AM

I agree, ake, not that Labour are worse but that the corruption and, incompetance and war mongering is disgusting.

However, what you will get with this 'alternative' is coruption, incompetence and warmongering PLUS racism and, ultimately, a facist dictatorship. Can you not go back only 80 years and learn the lessons of history?

In addition is there ANY other polical poster on here that steals your words, changes them to suit their political agenda nad posts them as if they were your own? The bastards of the B*P do! Just look at the facebook 'Mudcat' group and see what they are doing to Fred, Bruce and many others that are perfectly decent folk on here. It has happened to me to and, annoyingly, these words will probably be twisted yet again to suit their hatemongering. You are fortunate in that it will never happen to you as you, seemingly, support their cause.

Please open your eyes and see them for what they are.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:36 PM

""How many here will still vote for them..... after Blair, the corruption, the financial incompetence. Hoon, Straw, Jowell they are disgusting!

Cant you still see them and hear them, lecturing us on why we must assist in the slaughter of a generation of Iraqis? Only they didn't use the words(the biggest crime of the BNP)....but they knew and they didnt care!""

Once again, the childish "somebody else did it worse, so they must be acceptable by comparison" argument.

WRONG AGAIN AKE!!

No conflict exists between hating what Blair stood for, and hating what Griffin stands for. To advance an "either or" argument where the two are NEITHER alternatives, NOR mutually exclusive, simply exposes the fatally flawed output of a terminally ignorant mindset.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 08:38 PM

Ake, you note that you haven't known any BMP poster on the forum to express anything racist here. Question: If an avowed KKK member posted, defended the KKK, and made general claims that it's ideals were for the good of the nation and the world, but personally made no racist comments here: would you be comfortable with him, and say that we shouldn't assume that he was a racist?

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 09:06 PM

Dave....we cant go back 80 yrs, so much has happened since then, times were totally different, especially methods of broadcasting information...There will never be a "Forth Reich", cant you see what is happening to you and the others here who become agitated by the BNP.
You are allowing yourselves to be diverted from the real problems in our society....What happened in the run up to the Iraq War should have been the end of the Labour Party, now the crimes of a democratically elected government are being forgotten along with the way we were lied to and manipulated.

To hate others because of their colour or race, people must be mad and if the BNP leadership are raving madmen, then you have the problem of a handful of deranged individuals supported by a few thousand voters who have become disenchanted by the lies and corruption of our mainstream politicians.

Hardly world shattering front page news!

If you lot were real radicals, you would be screaming at Labour for the deceit and arrogance, not protecting them from the wild men of the BNP.

There is no chance of the BNP becoming anything more than a handy tool of protest, the real danger is that the bastards who made us pariahs in the eyes of the civilised world are still in power and with the help of people like you and others on this thread will be returned to power, cleaned, refreshed and ready to kill again in our name.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:32 PM

You preferred Maggie Thatcher then, Ake?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:47 PM

The evil that the BNP are and would do so far outweighs those of any other current UK political party that your ideas Ake, are lunacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:55 AM

History repeats itself, ake. Over and over. In the words of the song it's all heppened again. And again and again and again and again... So just what is it that cannot happen now that happened 80 years ago ake? Beating beaten or killed for voting the wrong way? Move to Zimbabwe and tell us that it can't happen. Removal of all intelectuals? Ask a Cambodian about that. Ethnic cleansing? Ever heard of Srebrenica? Bosnia if you can't remember where it is...

I quite agree with you about the corruption and shinanigans going on in politics today, but don't expect me to agree that the thugs you are supporting are a valid alternative. They are not. They have all the bad habits of mainstream politicians and many more worse ones besides. I wouldn't give a single politician the time of day but until we have a valid alternative, which I notice you are not providing, we must ensure that things get no worse.

And I notice you have not addressed the issue of those 'disenchanted voters' hijacking our identities, illegaly, for their own political ends, regardless of the damage it can do. These are the type of people you are supporting? Surely not!

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST,Mr. K. Butler
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:00 AM

For the attention of Fred McCormick. Fred I am sorry I don't understand why you sent me this link. I would probably vote for the Green Party. I have no interest in the British National Party or English Defence League, so you are wasting your time trying to convert me ! No I have never listened to your "Back Britain" slot on Live 365 either.

No offence Mr. McCormick, but I honestly think you contacted the wrong Keith Butler, it's a common enough name around Liverpool.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:36 AM

Mr Butler - I think you have been victim of a scam. Fred has an 'evil clone' on the false B*P mudcat on facebook. If you got any literature about said party I suspect it was not from the real Fred.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 06:49 AM

That is certain DeG. Fred has exactly the same attitude as I do.

But I'm not too sure about this Guest Mr. K Butler either.

We've no way to determine whether any guest is one of our regular trolls.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:42 AM

That's true, Don. Maybe it is another one of these enlightened people who simply want what's best for the country? :-S One to think about - Is it worth PMing the mods and asking for all Guest posts to be blocked?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:08 AM

Mr. K. Butler."For the attention of Fred McCormick. Fred I am sorry I don't understand why you sent me this link. I would probably vote for the Green Party. I have no interest in the British National Party or English Defence League, so you are wasting your time trying to convert me ! No I have never listened to your "Back Britain" slot on Live 365 either.

"No offence Mr. McCormick, but I honestly think you contacted the wrong Keith Butler, it's a common enough name around Liverpool."

Like Don, I'm suspicious of this post, if only because the vicious stalker/cloner/identity thief who makes such lavish use of the Mudcat Guest facility, uses so many aliases. Moreover, our Mr Butler hasn't posted the link, thinks I come from Liverpool, and has posted a reply here to a message which appears to have been sent from a fake social network page.

However, in case he is genuine, let me assure him that I am anti-BNP, anti-EDL, anti-fascist and anti-racist. Moreover, I do not have a "Back Britain" spot on my Live365 programme, and never have had, although I might try a Black Britain slot some day.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:44 PM

No, I don't think so DeG.

Free speech and all that. Besides, if we had banned guest postings from them, they would not have been able to show what complete arses they are.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:50 PM

""You preferred Maggie Thatcher then, Ake?""

No Don F, he didn't.

Ake doesn't really believe in anything.

He is just so fond of his own cleverness that he looks for any good discussions, sees which side has most adherents, and takes the opposite viewpoint.

Ake's only real opinions are tied up in getting shot of gays, travellers, and immigrants.

Draw your own conclusions.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:21 PM

Ah, so!

That explains a lot.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:04 PM

Fairy Nuff, Don T - I think you're right.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 05:09 AM

Thank you for the psycho-analysis lads.
I shall sleep easier tonight knowing someone "cares" :0)

Do you really think I would waste my time winding up people like you?
I only write on this forum on issues I consider to be very important.

There are a handful of people here, who are genuinely liberal....nothing to do with politics by the way.
It is my mission to convert the rest of you.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 05:42 AM

So, as part of this conversion program, do you think you could address the issues I brought up rather then indulge in an exchange of pleasantries, ake?

How can you say the events of 80 years ago cannot happen again when they so obvioulsy can and have?

What would you propose as a valid alternative to the government you so despise? The BNP? Monster Raving Loony? The Ake party?

How do you justify the hijacking of Mudcat identities by BNP activists if they are so harmless?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:54 AM

I've just found this blog on Andrew Brons's website. It relates to the fact that the BNP have found a female candidate to stand for them in Luton.

"When I look at some of the 'females' on the Labour benches I wonder why God was so cruel to them when He handed out good looks! Thankfully, Ms Rose was in the 'right queue' when good looks were handed out!"

There's a few more in similar vein.

Nice to know that policies matter so.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:05 AM

Ah well, when you compare the men the BNP have almost a monopoly on the ugly pond.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 06:36 PM

Oh look! Right on schedule.......Pond Scum.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge on the other browser
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 08:13 PM

Yes, it's really me despite the chimps' fondness of mimicry.

Actually, I think I'm rather better looking than you chimps. It's to do with evolution, something that seems to have passed you by.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 08:16 PM

You can have your cookie on more than one browser or computer, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:06 AM

I'm not sure, Jeri - Can you have your cookie and eat it? :-)

I request an answer to my earlier questions please, Ake - Third time of asking.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 06:23 PM

Sure, fascists like Wagner.










Porter Wagner!

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 06:18 AM

My God, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Andrew Brons's blog this morning contained a news item headed:-

BNP's Legal Team Shuts down Identity Theft Fraudster.

http://bnp.org.uk/2010/03/bnp%e2%80%99s-legal-team-shuts-down-identity-theft-fraudster/

A pity the BNP can't control the identity thieving activities of one of its own members.

Subject: RE: BS: Should you alienate Fascists?
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge on the other browser
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:06 PM

Thank you for that Fred. I will provide a copy to certain recipients pointing out that the alleged businessman allegedly impersonated has allegedly "initiated" police action (funny, I thought the police did that) because of the identity theft.