BS: Teacher members of BNP

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 01:29 PM

Children should be taught without bias and encouraged to think and reason for themselves

That in itself is a political point of view, and there are people who would disagree with it. The idea that it's possible to totally exclude political attitudes in teaching doesn't really stand up when you examine it closely.   And if it were possible, that would in truth be a highly politicised form of teaching.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 01:28 PM

"If someone publicly embraces racism and homophobia, that person is not suitable to be in a position of authority over any vulnerable person. "

Sorry to labour the point Virginia, but in another thread I'm sure you announced that you were an anarchist,given that   many here would see that view as anti-democratic and dangerous, do you consider that anyone holding your views should be banned from positions of authority over children?

If not, why do you wish to ban BNP members, who may simply have joined the Party on political issues like immigration or foreign policy.

On this forum any opposition to unrestricted immigration appears to qualify one as a fully paid up racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

Regarding racism, I see little difference between the views being expounded by the BNP and those from a large section of the Conservative party

Much as I disagree with a lot of Tory policy (and a lot of 'new' Labour for that matter) I must stand up for them in this case. I have never seen anything in a Tory manifesto that is in direct breach of racial equality guidelines. The BNPs manifesto and it's own membership rules are full of them.

I respect Tam's wishes to not resort to name calling but if you cannot see the difference between the main poitical parties and the BNP then there is something seriously wrong. It is eiter in how people are explaining it or you refusal to see the evil in these people. I shall leave it for others to decide which.

Back to the main thread. I would be happy for David Cameron to educate my grandson. I would be happy if Tony Blair, dressed in a red robe and white beard bounced him on his knee while shouting 'Ho ho ho'. But if nasty Nick came withing 10 yards of the little lad I would snatch up my grandson and run for the door. Yes, they are all politicians. Yes, none of them can be trusted. But to try and compare them any further is like trying to say all criminals are the same. I would happily let a reformed thief loose in a classroom. I would not do the same with a paedophile.

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 10:25 AM

correction - Tory teachers.... can I spell? Once I could but that facility as is the one for finding the correct word is growing weaker with age and illness.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 09:24 AM

Don the only thing you need to apologise to me for is for name calling. I expressly asked for that to stop.

Re the bit about Torie teachers... well it seems unlikely because (if I am getting it right that they are like republicans in the US) teaching doesn't pay well enough or is not prestigious enough.

Akenaton and Keith - still off topic but at least you do not call names. Point is that the compulsory testing should be for everyone, immigrant and native if it is not to be construed at discriminatory.   Attaching a problem to a geographical place and its inhabitants appears racist regardless of the facts and figures you share. Not saying any more on this because it has nothing to do with this thread. I ask you now to honour that.

Now what about what Don said re across the board statement of political affiliations and monitoring of any and all teachers whatever party they claim?

Seems like a very sensible proposition. The problem lies again in the enforcement. Ideas?

For every one... try not to post until you can come up with possibly workable solutions instead bellyaching and finger pointing. Please!

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 08:55 AM

Sorry Tam, some just don't get it, and never will.

I'll respond to the idiot elsewhere.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 08:53 AM

Don T, in some parts of Sub Saharan Africa, the prevalence of AIDS reaches 50%.
No other place in the world comes close.
There is huge international intervention to help them.
Is that discrimination???
How is it discrimination to help them with free testing and treatment here.
I would accept it gladly, and if I proved positive would be forever grateful for that knowledge and the treatment that would extend my otherwise very short life.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 08:51 AM

Regarding racism, I see little difference between the views being expounded by the BNP and those from a large section of the Conservative party....A party which Don is proud to support.

In fact, the biggest racist idiots that I ever met were right wing Tories!

Virgin....My posts were on topic, as to discuss "racist teachers" one must determine the naqture of racism.

My view on hiv testing had nothing to do with race per se, but the fact that these particular immigrants have very high levels of infection and THAT is a fact, not an opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 08:21 AM

My apologies Tam. Had I red your post before rsponding to Ake, I would have taken it elsewhere.

On topic now.

Which, I wonder, would be the smart response to BNP members in the teaching profession.

Much as I hate the scum, I am very dubious about the banning of political parties in a democracy. I'm not sure that I want to trust government not to overstep the mark in deciding who should be banned.

Some of us on this forum might possibly be considered for banning when we express our opinions on government competence (or more likely, incompetence).

I agree with Tam that we should afford our children as good (or better) protection as is given to suspected or convicted criminals.

Perhaps the answer is a requirement for all teachers to disclose political affiliations (instant dismissal if caught lying), by which I mean membership of any political party.

Their lesson plans and interaction with pupils could then be monitored with knowledge of the most likely slant in teaching, and if biased teaching were found, that too would mean instant dismissal.

IMO, it has to be done "across the board" without targetting any particular party, then nobody is being discriminated against, except the rule breaker.

When all is said and done, I don't suppose that the BNP teachers have any greater opportunity to indoctrinate than others. When it comes to indoctrination, the party which would come off worst would in point of fact be the Tories. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of Tory teachers I have ever met, and have several fingers left over. And that my friends is true from primary school to university.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 07:56 AM

""I have nothing against people of other races, or people of different skin colour, quite the contrary, I have friends of many nationalities and colours, and find their differing cultures extremely interesting.""

I wish I had a pound for every bigot who has spouted those words. It's the standard response, and if you listen very very carefully you can hear the unvocalised "BUT" at the end of it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 07:51 AM

""Now, as my opinion bears no relation to race or colour, how can it be described as bigotry or racism?""


A CLUE!


""snip......all immigrants from Sub Saharan Africa should be tested for Hiv/Aids before being allowed in.

I see no mention of any other races being liable for testing, and I'm moderately certain that some Poles, Romanians, Estonians, etc. etc. will be carrying HIV.

If I were advocating compulsory testing (which I'm not) it would relate to immigrants only, without reference to origin.

That is the difference between one who is concerned with health, and a racist.

Feel free to explain what you find difficult to understand about that point of view. I'm fairly sure I can answer with words of two syllables or less.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Royston
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 07:17 AM

Yeah "Rich".

I would be delighted to reach an ever greater audience with my thoughts against the racist BNP and all its racist members.

That accusation of racism is, of course, a matter of settled legal fact. A fact under British Law. Not an opinion.

But unfortunately our discussions are not being broadcast; more's the pity.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 06:51 AM

Google search on the thread title and my mudcat ID did not bring up any such result.

Trying to put us off, guest Rich?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 06:33 AM

I have been called "racist" for proposing that all immigrants from Sub Saharan Africa should be tested for Hiv/Aids before being allowed in.

Sounds fair enough to me. That's racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: GUEST,Rich Arrowsmith
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 06:11 AM

I would be careful what you write here, A Google search on the subject is throwing up names and photographs and your comments from about four other sites.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Royston
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 05:43 AM

Any further discussion of HIV belongs here

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=125426&messages=2056&page=1&desc=yes

Tam is righe, this is thread-creep

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 05:12 AM

Guest Keith - thanks for that information. But it is still discriminatory to force it. And it is off topic. Please, I am trying to get the thread back on track.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 05:06 AM

Tam, a very high proportion of people from those regions are infected.
They can be treated free of charge and advised how not to pass the disease on to other people.
They often reject the test because they fear they will not be allowed to stay if it is positive, but that is not the case.
It is not an unreasonable request in return for our hospitality.
What reason could they have for refusing?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 04:56 AM

can I just say... this is MY THREAD and the current prevailing behaviour is making MammaTamara unhappy! Do not engage in name calling and personal attacks. Does nothing but devalue the point you are trying to make. That goes for everyone.

Ake - How do we define "racism"? I have been called "racist" for proposing that all immigrants from Sub Saharan Africa should be tested for Hiv/Aids before being allowed in.

There is no compulsory HIV test for people already in the UK, so to single out a group immigrating from a specific part of the world is definitely discriminatory. As these people are of a specific race then your proposal can easily be viewed as racist.

Now can we get back to discussing why teachers are considered different than the police and prison officers.

Why should one group be banned from BNP membership and not another when both are in position of authority over others who cannot defend themselves against potentially harmful behaviour/comment?

I don't think the few numbers of BNP teachers should have any bearing on the argument. Nor does the supposition that these teachers are probably teaching in predominantly white schools. One child exposed to any kind of racist or homophobic behaviour from a teacher is one too many. This includes white British children.

Another thing to consider is, what must the public think if the government does not believe children should be afforded the same protection from potential harm from BNP members as the average citizen being dealt with by police or a prisoner?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 10 - 03:28 AM

Wrong Don....It discriminates against one group of immigrants because they have shown massively higher rates of hiv infection than any other immigrant group and only slightly lower rates than the highest demographic....homosexuals.

Now, as my opinion bears no relation to race or colour, how can it be described as bigotry or racism?

Is it a crime in your circle to be against the spread of death and disease?

This is a very good example of political ideology gone mad and dangerous

I have nothing against people of other races, or people of different skin colour, quite the contrary, I have friends of many nationalities and colours, and find their differing cultures extremely interesting.

You simply cannot go around discriminating against teachers who may simply be against govt immigration policy or foreign wars....if you do that, then you yourself become the bigot and a much greater danger than Mr Griffin or the BNP......You and your ilk become the lynch mob!

Royston....you obviously know absolutely fuck all about the Communist philosophy, I absorbed it, and it will never really leave me till I die, but I did come to realise that it is a souless ideology, not taking into account the power of the human spirit...in humanist terms. Human beings are not prepared to sacrifice themselves to the monoliths of organisation...life is short and in real terms getting ever shorter.

Wake up please.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 09:27 PM

I have an idea. Maybe we can put some of the neckless wonders that follow Dopey Dick Griffin into a classroom with some of the little angels who threaten teachers and hope they all kill each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Royston
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 07:43 PM

Ake: "Oh Yes Royston....there were plenty of thugs in our ranks ....plenty of fascists as well.

I was registered in King Street from 1961 first YCL then CP.

I would be obliged if you would stop accusing me of being a liar, with out one shred of evidence to back up your view......this is getting just like the Ugandan "gay" thread!......Deja vu or what? "

I never doubted that you had membership card.

I doubt that you were ever a communist - except as a thuggish hanger-on

I suspect you were a communist as a drummer is a musician.

You were a communist as Stalin was a communist

You were a communist as Blair or Prescott were socialists.

Alternatively, when did you sell out or have your damascene conversion to the horror that we see today?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 06:11 PM

""Now that seems to me like common sense, but to others it is racist...why?""

Because, numbnuts, it discriminates against one group of immigrants, by reason of their race, in enforcing compulsory testing, while other immigrants are not required to be tested.

What else is it, if not racial discrimination?

You can't even force British citizens to take any kind of test without changing existing law.

""And get this fucking straight....there are lots of issues which I disagree with you about, but I would fight for your right to hold and expound your views....crazy as they may be.""

Don't do me any favours pal. The last thing I need is to be tarred with the racist bigot brush, by getting support from you.

As for crazy, well I do sometimes wonder about my sanity, which, as any good psych will tell you is proof of sanity.

They will also tell you that people who believe everybody else is crazy, are usually certifiable.

Think about that the next time you claim everybody in the army is out of step except you three.



Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Smokey.
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 05:43 PM

"Works really well, huh?"

I'd wager they've made it a lot more difficult to preach dodgy ideals in schools, but I take your point, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 05:25 PM

Incidentally, was everyone else so taken by appearnace of the neanderthals in suits "protecting" Dopey Dick Griffin as he went to court to watch another £60k of his members' (well, that's a good word for them) money flushed in costs because neither he nor his lawyers can understand the relatively simple concept of "indirect discrimination"?


NoNONO the BNP are not thugs these days, are they? Much.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 05:19 PM

Works really well, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Smokey.
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 04:21 PM

Wasn't the creation of OFSTED and the National Curriculum designed partly to get rid of that sort of thing?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM

'What I was feebly groping towards was my fear that where the BNP teachers will be found most frequently will be the places where those challenges won't be found.'

Understood Anne! - my point about the cluster of vocal BNP supporters in one school specifically mentioned the NE location of that school a largely white post industrial setting

'On the surface the ostensibly white compostion of the area may suggest that questions of racism, ethnicity migration and settlement are peripheral issues to a region that contains the lowest proportion of minority residents in the country'

- 'New geographies of race and racism' by Claire Dwyer, Caroline Bressey

However forced population movements as a result of 'ethnic cleansing' and genocide as well as well as the rise of Acession states to the EU has seen a recent more diverse population in this area too challenging previous assumptions of an homogenous culture and could create a fertile ground for someone wishing to promote a racist agenda so it is necessary to exercise caution.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 04:09 PM

"if someone publicly embraces racism and homophobia, that person is not suitable to be in a position of authority over any vulnerable person."

How do we define "racism"? I have been called "racist" for proposing that all immigrants from Sub Saharan Africa should be tested for Hiv/Aids before being allowed in.

Now that seems to me like common sense, but to others it is racist...why?

Should I be banned from any contact with children for holding that view?

Who are the fascists?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: theleveller
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:52 PM

"There is another news item on the BBC website, to the effect that the BNP have been disallowed by Race Relations legislation from increasing their membership until they can frame their membership requirements in such a way that it convinces the relevant judges that it's not discrimatory."

I think in all the argument Anne's point (which I just heard on the radio) has been missed. This is the second ruling against the BNP on this issue. The BNP has, effectively, been declared by the British courts to be a racist organisation.

I have been castigated for vehemently opposing the BNP, to the extent that I have been called by one mudcatter (Bubblyrat) both a communist and a fascist (yeah, you work it out!). I rather think this vindicates the stance of those people who stand against the BNP. Its members have the right to employment provided they meet the criteria set by the employer. For a teacher, those criteria are rigid and clear. Once they step outside them, such as by exhibiting discriminatory attitudes, they break the conditions of their employment (and the law) and should be dismissed forthwith.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:47 PM

Oh I see Anne.....bad BNP teachers!.....well that's just another way of being a......whats the word?....must ask a "liberal" :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: paula t
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:47 PM

As a teacher, I could not believe this ruling.I feel that any schoolteacher who joins the BNP should have to leave the profession. Anyone making the effort to join this party is too, "dyed- in- the -wool "to be allowed to teach children any more.

Racist beliefs should not have a place in society, never mind in schools.Whether or not a person spouts their beliefs in an attempt to indoctrinate is irrelevant; a person's beliefs have an effect on behaviour,and a racist teacher is not going to be able to treat ethnic minority children in a fair way.No matter how much of an attempt is made to disguise dislike, preferences will be noticed,as children are more perceptive than they are given credit for. It is not worth the risk to children.

Of course teachers, as adults, have a right to choose their own beliefs.However,it should be made clear that making that choice means a change of profession.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Anne Lister
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:42 PM

Sorry, I didn't think my post would be taken to imply I thought BNP members *should* be teachers. Merely that if there were any BNP teachers they should be given a rather tough induction. I've worked in the kind of schools I was referring to (and assumed others would know what they're like) and the pupils there were far from intimidated by any teachers and made their own views very clear about anyone they thought was behaving in a racist way. As indeed did the staff and parents.
What I was feebly groping towards was my fear that where the BNP teachers will be found most frequently will be the places where those challenges won't be found.

I won't try subtlety again on Mudcat - mea culpa.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Smokey.
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM

I agree Ake, there's no evidence to say they will.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:38 PM

Smokey...Why should teachers who were BNP members be more likely to indoctrinate children than Communist teachers, "liberal" teachers or Consevative teachers?

One catagory is as dangerous as another.....to some people

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:34 PM

Oh Yes Royston....there were plenty of thugs in our ranks ....plenty of fascists as well.

I was registered in King Street from 1961 first YCL then CP.

I would be obliged if you would stop accusing me of being a liar, with out one shred of evidence to back up your view......this is getting just like the Ugandan "gay" thread!......Deja vu or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Smokey.
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:30 PM

"I would be terrified by any law which assumes to divide citizens into fit and unfit persons for certain types of employment. Do we stop at teachers...where next, who next ?" (Hilo)

Remember that one next time you're in hospital.

In my opinion if a teacher cannot teach without bringing his/her political or religious views to work, they are unfit to do the job regardless of their personal beliefs. Free speech and democracy are nothing to do with it. Children should be taught without bias and encouraged to think and reason for themselves - that way they are more likely to grow up with the ability to fully appreciate and use that free speech and democracy in the manner in which it should be used, that is, with an accompanying sense of responsibility. Children learn from example, and they are the ones who will be running the show in a few years time.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:23 PM

Emma....I would love to disagree but this overwhelming feeling of "hero worship" just wont allow it :0)

Actually, as usual you have posted a message full of common sense if only all "liberals" were as liberal as you.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:15 PM

"And just about anybody else who either disagrees with him, or talks sense,...or both!"

Well I guess that lets you out Don! :0)

And get this fucking straight....there are lots of issues which I disagree with you about, but I would fight for your right to hold and expound your views....crazy as they may be.

Same applies to homos, "liberals" Capitalists....they all have the right to free speech.........Well,.....maybe not capitalists!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:06 PM

Hey ake!
Onr of the most popular teachers at my 2ry school was a card carrying member of the CP and had fought in the war against Franco as a very young man.

Another teacher was a local labour party councillor - neither brought their politics into school with them but then they were there to teach not to 'recruit'

What does disturb me is a facebook pro BNP / racist and anti immigrant group I stumbled across on Facebook recently whose members all appeared to come from one school in the NE - it made me think.......

Although The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie is fiction it demonstrates that as a teacher she abuses her authority in attempting to manipulate her pupils to be like her.

As it IS fiction, they all reject her and she is betrayed.

However, I'm still against making any martyrs for an unworthy and despicable cause - let the normal disciplinary safeguards deal with any attempts to bring racist attitudes in the school setting wherever possible; but maybe, if someone is a member of ANY political party there should be a 'disclosure' rule?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM

Why were "Blairites" not banned from becoming teachers.

Do you really want our children to absorb and replicate the ideas of "loathsome" person who destroyed the soul of the Labour Party and who was personally responsible for our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of our troops and perhaps a million foreign nationals.

Vile beast?......Nick Griffin doesn't even come close!

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 03:00 PM

""Ah, yes, Akenaton, that's freedom for all apart from travellers is it?""

Yes, Travellers!.... And Gays!.....And liberals.....And Liberal Fascists(que?).

And just about anybody else who either disagrees with him, or talks sense,...or both!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:55 PM

Royston, I cannot believe you just said Teachers? Not important enough. No life or death control or responsibilities.

Remember the Jesuit philosophey? Give me a child until he is six and I will give you the man. It is true. Teachers are the second single biggest influence on our future, next to parents, yet you dismiss them as 'not important'! I do hope that was said with tongue firmly in cheek?

By the way I am not a teacher, never have been, never will be and have no connections with education apart from I used to teach idiots who believed they could not manage without their computers how to spend more money with us:-)

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Royston
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM

Ake, it is inconceivable that you could ever have been a communist - except as some thuggish hanger-on.

With the socio-political views that you espouse here, do you seriously imagine that anyone believes you were a socialist warrior?

Come on people - does anyone here believe that?

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:47 PM

Ruth...there were plenty of CP members who used the music as a vehicle for their politics....we were not fuckin' pussycats!

The police, "scabs", capitalist lackies, the monarchy, Tories.

We wanted to string them up from the nearest lamp post.

Much more extreme than the puss puss BNP, who deny racism and have a dambed sight more public support than we ever had.

I would never vote for them, but they deserve to be treated .....what's your buzzword?.....Equally!!

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Royston
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:47 PM

Yes, this latest debate is a bit wrong-minded in my opinion.

There are thought to be 6 teachers on the BNP membership list?

Teacup, storm?

The police service proscribed officers' membership of the BNP because it prejudiced the effective conduct of their duties and of the legal process. The BNP is a racist party. That is a matter of settled legal fact. If a copper belongs to it, he is compromised in every conceivable way when he has to arrest a person from an ethnic minority and then appear as a sound, impartial witness for the prosecution.

The reason coppers can't be BNP members is that the fact of their membership could allow the guilty to walk free. Any other consideration was secondary.

The same applies to Prison Officers. As well as simply being racist - as a matter of settled legal fact - the party has a line of rhetorical narrative about ethnic minorities being criminals by virtue of their genes and being less worthy of respect and care. Prison officers quite literally hold the lives and safety of vulnerable inmates in their hands and subject to their judgement. The reasons why BNP membership would be corrosive in that environment are all too obvious.

Teachers? Not important enough. No life or death control or responsibilities. They are for the most part educated, intelligent professionals who should be trusted to impart facts to their charges and coach them through exams without being fulminating bigots. That there are only 6 BNP members in a workforce of, what, 500,000 or so speaks volumes, doesn't it?

I think that the profession is quite capable of policing itself on this issue - but I agree with the recommendation to review this decision annually.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:38 PM

Nothing wrong with freedom for travellers Richard, but I would personally blow the brains out of anyone who sold heroin to schoolkids, or used knives and other weapons to enforce drug debts.


That is what the travellers Richard is talking about were doing, and using their special status to avoid prosecution.

Their encampment has been gutted and the families re-housed where their activities can be monitored by the police.....and a bloody good thing too

Richard's travellers have long gone....with the horse and wagon, in Scotland anyway....things may be different in England.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:37 PM

""Well Tam, they are the party of the future, so I am glad they saw sense. Thanks for the add by the way.
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On 8 March, the DFID announced that it would give £20 million to "help millions of people affected by conflict in Pakistan."
By 2011, Pakistan will be the UK's second largest development programme worldwide, the DFID has proudly announced — despite Pakistan having a massive army which has nuclear weapons.
The huge cash grants are put into perspective by the Government's failure to address the problem of eight million "economically inactive" people in Britain, and the paltry £12 million given for "deprived white working class areas" in October last year.
Even that £12 million was divided up into 100 identified regions, which means that each area will get £120,000 — not even enough to buy a single new house.
Only the British National Party will put the interests and rights of the British people first and says that these billions should be invested in fighting poverty and deprivation in Britain.""



And there was nasty fat Nick (The Slug) Griffin, posturing and grinning on TV news tonaight claiming that he has changed their constitution to remove the racist tag from the BNP.

Doesn't look as though the news has penetrated to the single brain cell of our resident bottom feeder.

You can take the overt racism out of the publicity NICKY Boy, but the brain dead foot soldiers will always show you up for what you are, a fat horrible Nazi.

Go to hell Sam...Soon!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 02:11 PM

Thinking about Anne Lister's idea, that teachers who are members of the BNP should not be banned but made to work where their ideas will be challenged.

I am wondering... challenged by who? Some students certainly are not equipped to deal with any potentially racist treatment. It seems to me that the teacher would either intimidate or ignore minority students. Perhaps students would stand up for themselves and for others, but is it right that they should be put in a situation that may have to?

What happens to the 11 or 12 year old who is repeatedly ignored by said teacher? Who cannot understand why his paper did not make as high a mark as the thickest white kid in his class. What if his parents are not English speakers and cannot come to his defence?

Sorry... it is not worth risking even one incident on one child. And as Ruth said, if someone publicly embraces racism and homophobia, that person is not suitable to be in a position of authority over any vulnerable person.

Subject: RE: BS: Teacher members of BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 01:47 PM

Ah, yes, Akenaton, that's freedom for all apart from travellers is it?