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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Wesley S Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:14 PM I have yet to see any evidence that this particular president is gay. If we had an openly gay person running for the office of president I'm sure the conservatives would run a similar smear campain like they did with Obama calling him a Muslim and a terrorist. A lot of us just don't care what two { or more } people do behind closed doors. It's just plain none of our business. I'd like to think that a candidate would be elected because of what they stood for - not who they had sex with. We'll see if a gay person ever runs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: frogprince Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:36 PM Gfs, is it appropriate to take it from your 12:44 post that you personally belive that Obama is gay? Would you say that you are in general agreement with what IchMael has posted, and blogged, to that effect? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: frogprince Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:37 PM correction, 12:34 post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jun 10 - 01:55 PM Guest FROM sanity! The Eighth Wonder of the World! He manages to survive with his alimentary canal in backwards! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Jun 10 - 02:55 PM Don't forget that when all else fails, a rousing chorus of... "Nyahh! Nyahh! Nyahh!" ...will reduce your average Internet opponent to tears and total stupefaction. ;-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Wesley S Date: 10 Jun 10 - 02:57 PM "I know you are but what am I ?" always works well too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jun 10 - 09:16 PM Froggie, No, I didn't indicate one way or another whether I personally thought he was a homosexual or not. I've had homosexual friends or acquaintances, who were efficient at what they did, in regards to the work they did..some even very creative, in the arts. I don't see Obama as being like that. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: ichMael Date: 10 Jun 10 - 10:54 PM The problem with Obama and the homosexuality is that it's just another example of his lying. He's spent over two million dollars now covering up the records of his early life, so he's hiding something. Could be his sexual past. And the sex stuff is his business, but if he lied about it, then it's the voters' business. Also, he's blackmailable if he's gay. If this president is gay, he has to go, because he misrepresented himself and he's a liability to the country. He's a danger to the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jun 10 - 12:51 AM Most presidents lie a lot, don't they? I think it's a requirement of the job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:23 AM And senators. And congresscritters. And governors. And mayors. And.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jun 10 - 01:34 AM Yeah. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 11 Jun 10 - 06:55 AM ""Froggie, No, I didn't indicate one way or another whether I personally thought he was a homosexual or not."" No, you didn't do that. You just gave the shit a good stir, as is your wont, and promoted in Ichy's tiny mind, the idea that somebody thinks he's right. That must be so fulfilling for you. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Wesley S Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:54 AM "And senators. And congresscritters. And governors. And mayors. And.... " And .... people who post to internet forums...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:38 PM And mothers. And fathers. And children. Anybody left? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: mousethief Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:47 PM Nope, that's about all of us. Goes without saying. Making me wonder, why didn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:01 PM Ebbie: "And mothers. And fathers. And children. Anybody left?" YOU! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:05 PM Let us not forget about what is known as "the Fallacy of Self-Exclusion," gFs. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:17 PM Are you saying that you have never lied, GfS? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jun 10 - 06:03 PM Ebbie. Don. Think how much better you could relate to GfS in these discussions if you didn't work from the initial premise that you already hate him...or despise him...or something along that line. ;-) It would put an entirely different slant on the conversation. Hitler could have done that regarding Jews too. He had the option to. Or Chongo could do it regarding gorillas. Or DougR could do it regarding Obama. So many hypothetical paths to better communication not taken! You know what I think? I think hostility is like a drug. People get addicted to the brief high it provides them, and they keep repeating the experience. That's addiction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Wesley S Date: 11 Jun 10 - 06:31 PM Jeez Little Hawk - stop trying to fix people. If they want to at it - let them. As Jefferson Airplane said - "It doesn't mean shit to a tree". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jun 10 - 07:56 PM That's true. ;-) Remember, Wesley, I talk for the same reason all of us do, simply because I enjoy putting my thoughts down in words. Yes, I realize that I probably can't change Ebbie or Don, because they'll do whatever they want to regardless of what I say, but I am enjoying expressing myself and making various observations, that's all. I'm thinking out loud, so to speak. Perhaps I am addicted to thinking out loud here, because it gives me something to do that's also fun (most of the time). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:39 PM And why, Little Hawk, do you single out Ebbie and me? You might want to check to see who around here really uses personal insults before you start popping off. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jun 10 - 10:03 PM Like I said, Little Hawk is selective. I suspect he doesn't even notice the words and phrases and mindsets of certain other people. Little Hawk, I respect you - but I do get awfully tired of your neat little boxes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jun 10 - 01:46 AM Well, there are some who are more addicted to their favorite vendettas than others, right? Riginslinger, for instance, is addicted to anti-religious vendettas, and I've taken issue with him over that on any number of occasions, because I think he takes it too far. We're all selective in one respect or another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:04 AM And you don't think Sanity Guest takes it too far? Amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:05 AM Is he just another of your personae? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: mousethief Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:44 AM We're all selective in one respect or another. Some animals are more selective than others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: akenaton Date: 12 Jun 10 - 03:16 AM Little Hawk doesn't make the "boxes", he just points out the aesthetics.... You construct your own "boxes" Ebbs...you're becoming a bit paranoid. Chill out babe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: akenaton Date: 12 Jun 10 - 03:35 AM Latest "gay" paedophile ring to make two pages in the Times. I suppose its just a "power" thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jun 10 - 01:19 PM Yeah, sometimes he does take it too far, Ebbie. And sometimes I've taken issue with something he said, but I don't get in an endless personal feud with him about it...I just disagree with what he says on that specific occasion, period. It's no reason for a feud. Given that he posts a lot of quite interesting stuff which I have no reason to disagree with (some in the music section too), plus some other stuff that I do disagree with (such as that quip characterizing Michelle Obama as a chimp), I can simply deal with him as just another person here whom I disagree with on occasion. I don't have to turn him into some horrible boogeyman that I'll fight with on principle every time he posts something. So I don't "rush to the barricades" every time he posts. ;-) My general impression is that you and Don do rush to the barricades every time GfS posts. Specially Don. And then GfS fights back, naturally, and the insults fly. And it goes on and on and on and on...like a running joke. And I comment on that. Seems like much ado about nothing to me. Why not just discuss the specific issue that is being discussed and leave the personal vendetta out of it? I don't think GfS would be hurling insults at you and Don had he not first been subjected to repeated insults. After all, he doesn't hurl insults at me, and we do not always agree about political matters by any means. We agree maybe half the time. That's okay with me. No sweat. Likewise, I don't hurl personal insults at DougR...though we virtually NEVER agree about politics. ;-) I get vehement about the subject sometimes, but I don't hurl insults at him. How would it help anything to do that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: JohnInKansas Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:51 PM The perfect example is right before us, in the country that does currently have an openly gay chief executive. Having quite recently had an unbelievable impact on Western European economies (one might say "earth shaking) this country within the past week or so made marriage between any two persons, regardless of sex, legal, by UNANIMOUS VOTE of their legislature. All we need do is sit back and watch their pending destruction (or perhaps just their continued relatively rational survivial). John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:55 PM Little Hawk, GfS hurls insults at anyone who disagrees with his outrageous assertions. Rather than trying to counter the arguments against what he is saying with logical debate, he descends to calling those who disagree with him stupid, ignorant, generally uneducated, or that most devastating epithet of all, "liberal!!" (Oh, horrors! I tremble!!). If you had actually paid attention to the many posts that GfS has made—instead of your knee-jerk reaction of stepping into the phone booth to change into your tights and cape—you would see that for yourself. YOUR problem is that you fancy yourself as "Little Hawk, Champion of the Underdog." The problem with that is that you don't seem to be able to distinguish between an underdog and Rottweiler with rabies. If I'm intolerant of certain examples of human behavior, it is because that behavior is intolerable in a civilized world. You take issue with Ebbie and I for having the insight and the integrity to point out that a person who advocates bigoted behavior must, himself, be a bigot. If you think the word "bigot" is merely a baseless insult (like "asshole" or "shithead"), then I suggest that you look the word up in a good dictionary and find out what it means. Once again I remind you of what Dante said about the lowest, darkest, coldest level in hell being reserved for those who insist on remaining aloof, neutral, and uninvolved when confronted with moral and ethical questions. Don Firth P. S. And in case you haven't notice, Little Hawk, the reason GfS doesn't insult you is because you frequently leap, cape blowing in the wind, to defend him when we object to some outrageous statement of his. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Jun 10 - 03:54 PM John, since that chief executive was elected about a year ago, I'm quite sure that God will visit the country with earthquakes, meteor strikes, plagues of locusts, and volcanoes. Particularly volcanoes. And with this new same-sex marriage law passed, if their society doesn't totally collapse, it will most assuredly sink beneath the sea, like Atlantis. We'll be watching. . . . Don Firth P. S. And if that society doesn't collapse and nothing else happens beyond its normal, periodic geological manifestations, what a bitter blow that will be to some folks! Dear, oh, dear, oh dear!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jun 10 - 04:56 PM John - Ooooooo...that's pretty scary, all right! You are speaking, I presume, of Liechtenstein? ;-) (I jest.) Don - You are THE master of hyperbole and arguments take to the final ridiculous extremity. ;-) Observe the following examples taken from your last post... "If you had actually paid attention to the many posts that GfS has made..." Oh, but I have. Yes! And on occasion he gets as vehemently hyperbolic and unreasonable as you do when you are worked up about something, while on other occasions he's quite sensible and interesting (which you are also when you're not having a fit about something). I have paid attention to both of you, Don. There is no hyperbolic if instance such as you advance above of my not paying attention. "The problem with that is that you don't seem to be able to distinguish between an underdog and Rottweiler with rabies." Oh dear. More hyperbole and extremity. Sooooo dramatic. (sigh) No useful point to be found there. Yes, I know the difference between those two. "YOUR problem is that you fancy yourself as "Little Hawk, Champion of the Underdog." Yes, but I regard it as a virtue, Don, not a problem. ;-) Mind you, I'm not saying that every underdog is, by definition, "right"...some are certainly not right...but I do react badly against gangs of bullies, cozy little in-groups that bully visitors or outsiders because they know they can comfortably get away with it in the company of their mates. I don't care for that when I see it. "If I'm intolerant of certain examples of human behavior, it is because that behavior is intolerable in a civilized world." No kidding! So am I intolerant of such behaviour. Your statement implies that anyone who disagrees with you about anything MUST therefore BE tolerant of such awful behaviour. I very much doubt that that is true. "If you think the word "bigot" is merely a baseless insult (like "asshole" or "shithead"), then I suggest that you look the word up in a good dictionary and find out what it means." No, I already know what it means. What I think, Don, is that you cannot just sum up another person with a single catchword like "bigot". You can say that a certain form of behaviour is bigoted, yes, but you can't neatly sum up another person AS a bigot, because it reduces them to a cardboard stereotype of evil, and the real truth is probably that like you and me and everyone else, they are complex people, and they cannot simply be summed up in one evil hate word. They probably are, like you and me and everyone else, concerned about truth, justice, fairness, and every other good thing like that and they are pursuing it as best they can given their own understanding, and you don't know about 95% of what they believe, you're just operating on some shred of information that you just reacted to and you interpreted to suit your desire to go after them like a pitbull and make extreme statements about them. You go on the witchhunt, Don. That is your method. The problem with YOU, Don, if I may adopt your own hectoring, accusatory, and totally nasty way of talking to virtually anyone you disagree with is that you cannot seem to have a difference of opinion with another person without also immediately reducing them to the lowest levels of moral evil, stupidity, and drooling idiocy in your own mind, and then treating them like shit. That's a stupid way to deal with other people, Don. It's mean, it's pointless, and it's totally intolerable as far as I'm concerned. It's shabby. It's vain. It's arrogant. It does not become you. It does not lead anywhere useful. It does not permit a sensible conversation between 2 people. This has nothing to do with neutrality in the face of issues. I'm not neutral about the issues. I am, as you know, both a leftist and a liberal/radical...in fact most "liberals" don't strike me as nearly radical enough in their response to the issues of our day. I'm far from neutral about the issues, Don. What I'm always objecting to is your pissy attitude toward other people you disagree with, your sarcastic remarks to them, your vicious character attacks on the people you disagree with, and your obvious total lack of respect for them, NOT your position on ANY of the issues. I often AGREE with your position on the issues themselves. I don't agree with your apparent need to persecute individuals on a personal basis over matters of political differences you have with them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:24 PM Little Hawk, you have just managed to raise the concept of hyperbole to supernatural proportions. Beyond that, you've just proven yourself to be no better than you accuse me of being. Whether I am really as bad as you say I am, I leave for other cooler heads to judge. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: ichMael Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:37 PM You get pretty worked up, Don. Of course, I wouldn't place you in the same class as catspaw, Amos and Bobert, the men responsible for The Mudcat Pages, but you get pretty tense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:35 PM Michael, having strong opinions based on knowledge and understanding of the issues is not "worked up." But I thoroughly understand why you and GfS are given to attacking me every chance you get. It's Little Hawk who is shooting form the hip while wearing a blindfold. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 13 Jun 10 - 05:09 PM ""Ebbie. Don. Think how much better you could relate to GfS in these discussions if you didn't work from the initial premise that you already hate him...or despise him...or something along that line. ;-) It would put an entirely different slant on the conversation."" Whatever gave you the idea that I hate GfS? To hate somebody, they have to have some meaning to me, and sadly I consider GfS meaningless in the extreme. I simply take the time to expose its attempts to appear as the fount of knowledge on every subject, by pointing out the glaring errors in almost every post it makes. It warrants no more than indifference, but its errors merit correction. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM To whichever Don Little Hawk was addressing his remarks, Don T. and I are in accord on this matter. What Don T. just said. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: ichMael Date: 14 Jun 10 - 08:55 PM In an article dated June 11, 2010, Madsen claims that, "according to former [Clinton] campaign officials," Hillary Clinton and her top aides were "well aware of" stories about Obama's gay activities in Man's Country and Rev. Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ. However, none of the allegations were investigated in greater detail. Furthermore, Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus also know about Obama's activities. One source from the Caucus told Madsen "we knew about Obama for years." So do "certain elements of the U.S. Intelligence Community." http://beforeitsnews.com/news/78/163/Hillary_Well_Aware_of_Obama_8217;s_Gay_Activities.html I bet Obama starts another war pretty soon (in addition to the ones he's waging against Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and America). Americans are going to be a bit peeved when they find out they have a homosexual born in Kenya serving as president. So |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Amos Date: 14 Jun 10 - 08:57 PM You are so full of crap, Michael, you really need to get professional help; your capacity for critical thinking is pre-hominid. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:25 PM I have an acquaintance who writes really bad science fiction / fantasy (can't really tell which its supposed to be). He has a whole drawer full of returned manuscripts along with a large stack of rejection slips. The flights (flops?) of fancy he turns out is far more believable than the stuff ichMael comes up with. What a crock!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:31 PM ". . . are. . . ." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: ichMael Date: 14 Jun 10 - 11:18 PM Ohhh, this is sooo good. The Obama misadministration explodes this summer. The Blagojevich trial...corrupt prosecutor Fitzgerald collected over 500 hours of surveillance tapes on Blagojevich. Fitzgerald wants to play 100 hours, but Blagojevich's lawyers are demanding all 500 be played. Problem is, the tapes will prove, among other things, Obama's homosexuality. I need to update the Obama Gay Romp page with the below: On June 2, 2010, WMR reported: "WMR has recently learned that while a member of the House, a major Democratic strategist and lobbyist rented [Rahm] Emanuel his Washington, DC condominium at below market rates. Emanuel reportedly used the condominium for trysts with his homosexual partners in Washington while Emanuel's family remained at their home in north Chicago. The Democratic strategist in question is also a top lobbyist for BP." WMR has learned additional details concerning the DC "play condo." Well-informed sources report the condo in question was actually owned by Connecticut Democratic Representative Rosa DeLauro. She is married to Democratic pollster and strategist Stan Greenberg. Greenberg's firm, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, counts BP as one of its largest clients. Greenberg's business partners are James Carville and Bob Shrum. Carville has been appearing on CNN commenting on the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, another indication of the massive conflicts-of-interest of CNN in objectively covering news stories. Although Greenberg and DeLauro are close friends of Rahm Emanuel, WMR has been told the "play condo" was "wired" and that there exists video and audio evidence of trysts not only involving Emanuel but also those engaged in by then-US Senator Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton, who both stopped by the condo on separate occasions for "extracurricular activities." http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006080025 This explains why Obama isn't doing shit about the leak in the Gulf of Mexico. HE'S BEING BLACKMAILED. Sonuvabitch. He'll never make it through his term. And the corrupt freak will start talking about "high tech lynchin'" same as the freak Clarence Thomas did. But Americans won't be blinded by the flurry of race cards this time around. Hobama's long hot summer. This is good. This is damn good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: ichMael Date: 14 Jun 10 - 11:58 PM My update: http://www2.moment.net/~michael/HomosexualityWhiteHouse2.htm June 2, 2010 -- Emanuel's "Play Condo" in Washington D.C. -- On June 2 WMR reported that while Rahm Emanuel was a lobbyist, he rented a D.C. condominium at well below market rates. The condo was owned by Connecticut Representative Rosa DeLauro, who is married to Democratic strategist Stan Greenberg. Greenberg's a partner in a law firm that has BP (the oil company) on its client list. BP's one of the firm's largest clients. Emanuel reportedly used the condominium for homosexual trysts when he traveled from Chicago to Washington. The "play condo" was reportedly wired, and surveillance that was conducted shows the extracurricular activities of not only Emanuel, but also of then-US Senator Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton. Obama is currently stalling on taking action against BP in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, and some speculate he is being blackmailed with the surveillance evidence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Ebbie Date: 15 Jun 10 - 12:58 AM It must be very interesting being you, Michael. You are so funny. Mad, of course. But funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Don Firth Date: 15 Jun 10 - 12:59 AM And just what the hell is Obama supposed to do? Dive a mile deep in the Gulf of Mexico with a cork in his teeth and plug the hole himself!??? Don't be such an ass, Mickey! And, for that matter, there would indeed be some rednecks and homophobes who might be a bit upset if it turned out that Obama actually is gay, but there are a helluva lot of people, including me, who couldn't care less! Don Firth P. S. Regarding my saying "Don't be such an ass, Mickey. . . ." Sorry. I should not be asking people to do something that's impossible for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Leadfingers Date: 15 Jun 10 - 05:31 AM 300 - Ducky !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 15 Jun 10 - 06:24 PM "Ohhh, this is sooo good. The Obama misadministration explodes this summer." "He'll never make it through his term." Ohh, this is soooo good. More predictions! Tell me again, how'd that earth-shattering trial in Harlem turn out? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is it time for a gay president? From: Amos Date: 15 Jun 10 - 06:36 PM Well, it's good, yeah, except for the fact that it is sheer malicious bullshit. I have an idea, though. If you can find some friends (tough but even one will do) have them grab your ears and pull very hard until your head pops out of your ass. A |
