BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:56 PM

...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape.

Which is to say a propagandist without a shred of ethics or decency and a lying sack of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:01 PM

hmmm..... let me think about that...

Ok..I thought. I'll take YOUR definition, Greg.

Subject: BS: Fox News falsely accuses Obama appointee
From: Genie
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:24 PM

This is not the first time the Obama administration (and the Dems in Congress) have thrown someone under the bus in knee-jerk reaction to some unfounded accusation by Fox or others on the "Right."   They did the same thing to ACORN (because of doctored videos, selective reporting of parts of the story, and distortions of the truth) and to one of Obama's first cabinet nominees (whose name I'm blanking on at the moment).
George W Bush and the Republicans, either out of loyalty, principle, stubbornness or just plain chutzpah, seemed to stand by "their own" regardless of how valid or how important the accusations made against them. But Obama, like Bill Clinton, seems way too reticent to defend the people and organizations that he has supported and vice versa.   Where's the backbone? Where's the loyalty? Where's the intention to get at the truth before reacting?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:17 PM

"The political paintings of party perspectives all tend to be smear paintings. These smeary paintings add or subtract momentum of the swinging pendulum of public political opinion that eventually sway elections enough so that even the richest minority can divide and conquor the people."
quote by: D.H."sayitdon'tsprayit" Mench

So rage on with images of President Obama throwing people under speeding buses SPLISH!, or Eisenhower giving a speech on the dangers of a conspiratorial liberal military Industrial Congressional Complex EEK!. These are the very kinds of distortions that Glen Beck relies upon by stating a grain of truth, season it with a sprinkle of corporate religioUS bias and then turn it upside down and backwards before serving.

Perhaps you too would forsake fairness, truth and honor for Beck's $30 million a year to go in your pocket.
Tell me if the cash offer was valid, that you would not be tempted.

*I bet Rig would jump at it.
Amos would form an inquiry commitee with 1,000's of attached links.
Spaw would take the cash, but spend the money on liberal reform and a profane tell all book.
Mousetheif would abjectly refuse it.
Bearded Bruce would sulk because he wasn't asked.


*'written at the risk of satirical misinterpretation'

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:21 PM

BillD,

"but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking.
"

AFTER the Obama administration had fired her- WHEN IT WAS NEWS!!

You can't blame Fox for what Obama does first- I will NOT agree that either side has a time machine to go back in the past and change the facts of the matter, as you seem to imply.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:34 PM

*I bet Rig would jump at it.


             Of course Glenn Beck is addicted to the recent superstion of Mormonism, so he has an excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:41 PM

sorry, Bruce, but O'Reilly did it BEFORE, and the others just parroted him. The point is that any reputable 'news' organization...like CNN... would be sure it WAS true before reporting it. It might be that they also ran the story even after she was fired in order to embarass the administration....
And it was NOT "Obama" who fired her. You cannot continue to suggest that Obama personally sighn off on everything.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:03 PM

Sometimes you don't even have to take somthing out of context. All you need do is frame it differently. I use this example even though there are others that would paint Jesus as truely evil when framed entirely out of context;



Jesus Parable on Corporate power and hiring illegal workers:

Matt 20:1-16 "For the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who was the master of a household, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. He went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace. To them he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. About the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle. He said to them, 'Why do you stand here all day idle?' "They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' "He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and you will receive whatever is right.' When evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his steward, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning from the last to the first.' "When those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius. When the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured against the master of the household, saying, 'These last have spent one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat!' "But he answered one of them, ' Go your way. It is my desire to give to this last just as much as to you. Isn't it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?' So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen."

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: pdq
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:14 PM

...from CBS News (.com)...

"The Department of Agriculture employee who resigned after a controversy erupted over recent remarks she made is now saying that the White House forced her resignation.

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, however, is taking responsibility for the resignation, and the White House reportedly says it had no part in his decision.

Shirley Sherrod, the USDA's former director of rural development in Georgia, said USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her Monday and said the White House wanted her to resign, the Associated Press reports.

"They called me twice," Sherrod told the AP, noting that she was driving when she received the calls. "The last time they asked me to pull over the side of the road and submit my resignation on my Blackberry, and that's what I did."

Sherrod submitted her resignation after she became the focus of scrutiny from Fox News and conservative blogs over remarks she gave at an NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet on March 27. A video of a portion of her remarks were posted on a conservative blog, giving the impression that Sherrod admitted to discriminating against a white farmer as an employee of the USDA.

The comments were taken out of context, however. In her remarks that day, Sherrod was recounting a story that pre-dates her tenure at the USDA by more than two decades. Sherrod says in her story that Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted; Chapter 12 was instituted for family farmers in 1986, while Sherrod was appointed to head the USDA's Rural Development office in Georgia just last July. Furthermore, the point of Sherrod's story is that race is not an issue.

Sherrod has said the video excerpt did not include the full story of her relationship with the farmer, with whom she says she became friends after helping him avoid foreclosure.

Nevertheless, Sherrod says the White House pressed for her resignation..."

{shortened but not edited, by me}

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:32 PM

Remember when FOX reported that snipers were shooting at doctors in New Orleans during Katrina??? Seems that FOX is perfectly willing to make news if they don't like the existing news...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:44 PM

BillD,

So he announced it before it happenned, AND "also ran the story even after she was fired in order to embarass the administration"???\
OReilly is on AFTER Beck ( who did NOT bringg it up, in spite of the lies here), and by that time she had already been fired.

And if Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration, isn't it racist to say that Obama is NOT responsible????

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:51 PM

I wish a moderator could add "Shirley Sherrod" to this thread title, because that is what this is about and the title doesn't really reflect it.

Here is the rest of the story about "Who is Shirley Sherrod", the
history of her life and what she has accomplished.
"Let's Work Together" Shirley Sherrod's motto

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:17 PM

I'll PM Joe, Alice...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:39 PM

Looking forward to the multimillion law suit that shuts down Andrew Breitbart for good.

The Obama Administration certainly needs to apologize (as it has) and offer Shirley Sherrod either her old job or the job of Secretary of Agriculture, whatever she prefers. It's Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack who needs to be sacked (or put out in the south forty for grazing) for demanded that she resign without investigating the source of the video.

Glad this story is over.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:54 PM

"And if Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration, isn't it racist to say that Obama is NOT responsible????"

what utter BS.
First, I never SAID Bush personally was responsible for every gaffe someone under him made. I have said many times that Bush's policies were flawed, and that many of Bush's specific & overt decisions, recorded and repeated, were reprehensible. The list of THOSE is long.

Second: Where in the He** do you get the idea that **racism** would enter OUR debate at all? Are you just baiting me? Or are you so steeped in right-wing double-talk that ANY nonsense is fair ammo for your grape-shot firing cannon?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:55 PM

What's racism got to do with it? Just because Obama (if he was involved with this at all, which hasn't been shown let alone proven) is making mistakes doesn't mean it has anything to do with his race. Nor does people being partisan necessarily have anything to do with race. If you're talking about diehard Democrats, they would have defended the president if the president were a white Democrat just as much. The suggest that this has anything to do with race at all is deeply racist.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:47 AM

Donuel, do I detect a bit of digression in you recent posts?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:09 AM

I wish this story was over, Charley...

Like Joe Wilson and the guy who showed up at a rally where Obama was to speak with the gun, these folks on the right become "folk heros" within Redneck Nation so there will be more of this... These people don't really care if the country goes down the drain if that's what it takes to get "the nigger" outta office and their "boys" back in power... To them it is outright war...

Reminds me very much of seein' the the "boys" open fire hoses on balck marchers in Selma and of the George Wallaces and Lester Maddoxs... 80% of the country is now being utterly harrassed and terrorized by the loonie right... These are the same 20% who supported Cheney and Bush when the economy was collapsing and the US was stuck in two stupid wars... These people are what Eric Hoffer referred to as the "True Believers" and their actions are borish, bullying and downright anti-social...

Maybe the left needs to take a page out of their handbook...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:14 AM

When you get the entire story, it doesn't look like Fox News had anything to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM

Oh bullshit.

Can you honestly say that Faux news critically examined and vetted the video before commenting. Did they come to the defense of Ms. Sherrod immediately upon seeing the video? Have they ever come to the defense of Acorn once it was conclusively proven that Breitbart concocted that one?

They bear absolute responsibility for creating the current political atmosphere - in which simply the threat of Faux running the video (and then pushing it relentlessly and uncritically (of the video) -- just as they did with Acorn--) creates a huge PR problem despite the total dishonesty of the video...is enough to force the Whitehouse to (despicably) cave-in to their blackmail.

This is all about Faux news. Breitbart may have made the video, but who was poised to make it their anti-Obama, anti-black people smear story of the month?

When Faux comes clean about the Acorn incident, I will begin to believe anything you might say in their defense. Until then we can only judge Faux based on their dishonest, propagandistic deeds.

And sorry, but if you believe that they were going to defend Ms. Sherrod, have another sip of Kool-Aid.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:06 AM

In the case of ACORN, they'd already done a number of things for which they were escaping prosecution--they needed to have their funding cut off. But in this case, Ms. Sherrod had already been discharged before Fox News even picked up the story.

            One of the right-wing story lines out there now is, the Obama administration set the whole thing up for the purpose of trying to make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections.

            While that might see wild and unfounded, it's no worse than a lot of the stuff coming from the left-wind media. The truth seems to be the victim in all of this.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 09:23 AM

Will anyone get fired for this?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 10:04 AM

You mean the nutcase talking heads or someone in the govermnent?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM

"For background purposes, it's important to note that Andrew Breitbart is an attention-whore who is desperate to emulate his mentor, Matt Drudge, and this isn't the first time he's released misleading videotape "evidence" of African Americans behaving badly (or so he claims) in order to drive traffic to his various websites while augmenting his status as a player in the modern conservative movement. He previously engaged in the same chicanery when he released heavily edited and ultimately phony Jackass-style videos in which, he alleges, ACORN workers had given inappropriate advice to a (fake) pimp and a (fake) prostitute who were, among other things, seeking to engage in human trafficking. The videos turned out to be misleading at best, and the fake pimp character went on to plead guilty to charges of entering federal property under false pretense.

Breitbart scammed nearly everyone on the ACORN videos including people who should have known better, like, for example, Jon Stewart.

Breitbart has done it again. This time, he's flimflammed the White House, the NAACP and the traditional news media.

None of this is a particularly big shocker, of course. This is what Breitbart does. He's another Karl Rove type in that his entire modus operandi is to tangle the debate -- to be an instigator. To kerfuffle everyone he engages until the discourse has become so confused, skewed and tangential that he's able to walk away more or less unscathed while the targets of his regularly scheduled crusades are often damaged beyond repair. ACORN is a national pariah. And this week, a decent woman is out of a job.

By the way, also not shocking here is the fact that, once again, the far-right is targeting someone who is more or less a noncombatant. This isn't the first time far-right operatives, bloggers or Fox News hosts have targeted people who aren't participants in bigtime political discourse and who certainly don't have the wherewithal to defend themselves against, in the case of Fox News, one of the largest media organizations in the world.
" (HuffPo)

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:05 AM

All media pick on people who can't defend themselves all the time. It's what they do.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 11:37 AM

And don't forget the so-called Black Panthers... 24/7 showing the same 10 second clip over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

Same with Rev. Wright... Showing the same 10 second clip 24/7 over and over and over and over and over and oave and oave and oave and ovr and over and...

Same with the story about snipers shooting at doctors in New Orleans during Katrina...

FOX must think their audience are friggin' morons to have to show 10 second clips thousands of times in order for their brownshirts to get it???

(Nah, Boberdz... That ain't it... It's all about telling the BIGASS LIE over and over until the morons can repeat it backweards and forwards...)

Ain' that some kinda brainwashing techique???

(Now you got it, Boberdz...)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:42 PM

you go bert


my cartoon
Obama to his media troops "Don't fire until you see the whites of their lies!"



-------------------------------
Holy Grail



A witch A witch!
How do you know she is a witch?
Look at er nose, an er hat.
"This isn't my nose, its an out of context nose!"
hmm besides the hat and nose what else makes her a witch?
She turned me into a NEWT! ...well I got better.


In my opinion it seems Federal dept heads need to revisit this movie as well as every American mayor needs to play the game SIM City.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:45 PM

Does anyone else here know that Shirley Sherrod's father was murdered by the KKK?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 02:49 PM

Amos, while what you say about foreign owned FOX news, and corporate sponsored Brietbart is entirely true, the sad truth is that FOX and Brietbart will both recieve more credibility and kudos as a result of this anti journalistic fiasco.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 03:25 PM

Shirley Sherrod's father was killed in 1965 in a dispute over three cows.

Her father, named Hosie Miller, went to his neighbor and demanded he be given three cows which Miller claimed had wandered into the neighbor's field.

The neighbor refused and said the cows were his and always had been.

Miller may have had a gun, maybe not, but the angry confrontation resulted in Miller being shot and killed.

Claims that race was the motivation or that the KKK was involved is inflamatory.

Many neighbors learn to dislike each other and sometimes stupid things like this happen.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 06:14 PM

KKK v. dispute... Doesn't mean anything to this story one way of another...

The story has two story lines:

1. The racist right wing, afetr being confronted about their racism is trying to turn the tables with BIGASS LIES and...

2. Obama needs to quit fallin' for FOXs games... Screw FOX... It is a bully pulpit for racists, Nazis and assholes... Obama needs to call it like it is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:49 PM

Does Obama know how it is?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:11 PM

Some days I wonder, Rigs...

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:30 PM

Faux's exclusive stories that they pushed hard until the rest of the media picked them up:
Reverend Wright
Acorn
Van Jones
New Black Panthers
Sherrod...

Hmmm. What's the common thread here?

And drop the bullshit about how Faux had nothing to do with it. It was the threat of Faux running the story that caused the firing of Sherrod. USDA/White House despicably caved to this blackmail **by Faux**

Yes technically Faux ran the story after her resignation, but that changes nothing. They did run the story, and they did shout along with Breitbart's scam - until they all got caught with their pants down, and then they instantly switched to shouting that Obama had made a "rush to judgement". What the fook had they been doing for the previous 36 hours?!?!?!

If you've fallen for their shite, have another sip of that Kool Aid.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:48 PM

Fox should have to register as lobbiests... It is abundantly clear that they are not a new program... They are a 24/7 pro-Repub anti-Dem organization... This country has never had anything like this... They are even co-organizers of the Tea Party???

I mean, this is wrong!!! This violates everything that the good folks put into legislation back in the 20's in regulating our piblic airwaves... This is wrong and FOX ought to be shut down...

(But, Boberdz... That in violation of the 1st ammendment...)

Bullshit... Fox is in violation of 80 years of law... It took a bunch of Repub appointed FCC comittee people to line up this perfect storm for the right wing to take over the media...

Fuck this "left wing media bias"... That is a right wing joke... They know what they have pulled off here... Make no bones about it.... They know... They bought and paid for it and now they are enjoying it... This is corruption at the very core... Fox should be banned... They are teasonous and illegal under the laws that lasted until they paid corrupt politicans to turn back 80 years of established regs on media ownership...

And for the record, if Murdock were to die tonight I'd go out and dance all day tomorrow... He is a corrupt thug... No, make that a lieing, corrupt thug...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 01:20 AM

Amen, Bobert. And you are so right about the echo chamber and the misleading 10-sec. video clips.

Rig, what Fox News "had to do with it" was running with the edited video and the distorted story, full bore, in the day or so when it first hit the blogosphere. Yes, the other "mainstream media" ran the story, unscrutinized, too, but Fox gave it far more coverage than the others did.

Oh, and I think your accusations against ACORN need a lot more specificity and substantiation.   (Even if a few workers in this large organization were shown to have misbehaved — and I'm not aware that's the case — since when does a large organization lose its credibility and funding because of something like that? Do we condemn a whole police department because of some rogue cop?   Is a huge private corporation destroyed because some middle manager embezzles funds? Where's the evidence that ACORN, as an organization, was corrupt?

As for the speculation that Obama's administration "set the whole thing up for the purpose of trying to make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections," HUH???   With blacks being less than 15% of the population and an even lower % of the VOTING populace, how would a focus on race benefit a mixed-race candidate?


make "race" relevant again, in time for the mid-term elections," HUH???   With blacks being less than 15% of the population and an even lower % of the VOTING populace, how would a focus on race benefit a mixed-race candidate?

TIA , you're so right that Faux News bears "absolute responsibility for creating the current political atmosphere - in which simply the threat of Faux running the video (and then pushing it relentlessly and uncritically (of the video) -- just as they did with Acorn--) creates a huge PR problem despite the total dishonesty of the video" and that this "is enough to force the Whitehouse to (despicably) cave-in to their blackmail."

This is all about Faux news. Breitbart may have made the video, but who was poised to make it their anti-Obama, anti-black people smear story of the month?

Bobert, you are so right about the echo chamber and the misleading 10-sec. video clips.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:14 AM

"...your accusations against ACORN need a lot more specificity and substantiation."

               I would point specifically to the founder's brother who embezzeled a bunch of money--other people's money, that's important--and then went unprosecuted.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:14 AM

You haven't answered TIA's question, Rigs... You, have offered, however, the usual subterfuge...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 08:34 AM

Reverend Wright
Acorn
Van Jones
New Black Panthers
Sherrod...

Hmmm. What's the common thread here?


                The answer is, except for Sherrod, there are some really bad people out there.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 09:48 AM

If the shoe fits...




Keith Olbermann on the the Sherrod affair

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:10 AM

Why is Van Jones a really bad person?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:12 AM

And...
You've pointed out something that is *not* a common thread.
Now please try to find a common thread.
(Pssst...there is one if you set down that kool aid cup for even a moment).

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:25 AM

Right, you are reading what I'm saying, TIA. You listed a bunch of bad people, and then threw Shirley Sherrod's name into the mix--that's the common thread.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:30 AM

And Van Joes is really bad. He sells himself as being in favor of saving the environment, and then announces he supports "comprehensive immigration reform." He can't have it both ways. Now there's a whack-job for you.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Amos
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 10:58 AM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has ordered a more patient, deliberative style of governance from his aides and Cabinet members in the wake of a convulsive week surrounding the ouster of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod.

After telling Sherrod he regretted her forced resignation over racial remarks she made to an NAACP audience, Obama said in a nationally broadcast network interview he believes Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack "jumped the gun" in sacking the veteran Georgian federal worker.

---

A refreshing change from the days when "wrong" was not part of the WHite House vocabulary except when applied to others. I'd like to know why Briebart is not being slammed for his intentional defamation of character.


A

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 12:19 PM

Yeah, I wonder if somebody will bring charges and make a celebrity out of Briebart.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 01:06 PM

Obama said in a nationally broadcast network interview he believes Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack "jumped the gun" in sacking the veteran Georgian federal worker.

So can we take it that he will be appropriately punished for that?

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Arkie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:13 PM

I am not sure what an appropriate punishment might me but publicly admitting such a mistake in a recording that is being played continuously and will be cropping up for the rest of his life is a start.

That, while Briebart is being idolized. Wonder if Briebart represents the standard for the US that the tea party is attempting to establish.

Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:34 PM

Rig, you say the ACORN founder's brother was guilty of embezzlement. If that's true, since when does that condemn a whole organization of corruption?   If someone in Bill Gates's family was guilty of embezzlement, would that mean Microsoft was a corrupt organization?
I think that would depend on how widespread the malfeasance was in the organization and whether the organization dealt appropriately with the offending persons when they were found out.

Subject: RE: Breitbart & Fox News distort Sherrod's views
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:47 PM

Rig, what you're accusing Van Jones of is a) disagreeing with your political views and b) being somewhat inconsistent (as you see it) in his own views. Since when does that amount to being "a bad person" or corrupt?

Reverend Wright, like Ms. Sherrod, was smeared in the media largely by short snippets - out of 20 years of sermons - being played over and over by the media. I do not blame Obama for distancing himself from Wright after Wright basically threw Obama under the proverbial bus by suggesting that Obama would say whatever he had to in order to win election.    But I have read and heard a lot more of Wright's sermons and interviews, and he is neither racist nor corrupt. He is provocative in his messages and flambuoyant in his style, but that doesn't make him corrupt.

ACORN, too, has a long history of doing a tremendous lot of good for low-income and disabled people and minorities (helping them find legal help, housing, employment, and access to other non-profit and public services; helping them get registered to vote; etc.)    As with my example of police departments, finding some misbehavior on the part of some ACORN workers does not justify writing off the whole organization as "corrupt" or "bad."

As for the New Black Panthers, maybe they are racist. Or maybe it's just a handful of highly visible members. In either case, it was the Bush administration's DOJ who first decided not to prosecute them.   And the snippets of violent, racist talk that are being echoed all over Fox now are from years ago, not current.