BS: God's Thumbprint

Subject: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Slag
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:27 PM

The philtrum, that little indentation under your nose is sometimes called God' Thumbprint. I remember quite a few years ago reading that it is the one thing that parental alcohol use will affect in fetal developement. I can't remember if it is just mom or both parents, either/or, who contribute to the phenomenon nor exactly how much alcohol must be involoved but supposedly the children of such parents have little or no indentation.

This is a question you can answer for yourself, of course. If neither parent drank or drank moderately you should have a well defined philtrum. If you don't then the claim appears bogus. And vice versa. Without saying which is which, in my case, it's true. How about you?

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:36 PM

Its purpose is to allow air into yer beer bottle when ya don't use a glass.
(On the net somewhere).

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 08:50 PM

I'm sure you realize that the philtrum is not actually the only thing that can be affected by alcohol consumption during pregnancy. Do you mean that this is the only known indication in children who do not suffer from fetal alcohol syndrom? I would say I have pretty clear definition there; my parents were tee-totalers. But frankly this sounds suspect to me; I would be a bit surprised to see proof that there is such an effect short of alcohol consumption causing more extensive harm.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: olddude
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:26 PM

I never heard that before, but I certainly heard of the terrible health problems babies with fetal alcohol syndrome have developed from it for sure

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: beeliner
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 09:53 PM

The philtrum thing is probably like the various folk methods of determining a child's gender in utero - right about half the time.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:07 PM

I thought it was a snot gutter.

Wink,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:14 PM

See Fetal alcohol syndrome at Wikipedia and especially the subheading Facial features.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:32 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about "innie" belly buttons.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 10:59 PM

See Fetal alcohol syndrome at Wikipedia

Blogopedia? Yes, do! It was in all probability written by someone suffering from the condition.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:31 PM

Well, I'd trust it more than most things I read in BS threads at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:10 AM

Jewish folklore says that the indentation is where an angel touched the baby, to erase his memory of his life with God before being born.

I was told that the fact that the second and fourth fingers of my hands are almost even is a sign that I was exposed to testosterone in the womb, and is why I'm so very like my father sometimes.

Since then, I've been looking at other women's hands. But I'd have no way of knowing if the testosterone thing is true.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:19 AM

Well, While you're holding their hands, and talking, to her, and when she starts talking to you, it makes no sense to you, whatsoever, but while their their talking, you feel Love....probably the more testosterone

Smiling!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Slag
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:22 AM

'cat, you never disappoint!

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:13 AM

Ohhh, Slags, you sweet talkin' fool,~~~~~~~~~come up and see me sometime,
Have your service call my service~~~~~~~~~~~~~

With eyes battin'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 07:50 AM

Wikipedia may be jolly useful for cheating in pub quizzes and so on, but not the most reliable source on medical matters.I have tried to assess my "mental retardation" (as the article puts it) by examining how thin my lips are, but as a method of asessing my mum's alcohol consumption 65 years ago....well, forget it.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:38 AM

Well, that's it, fir this ol' hillbilly...

I swear, as God as my witness, that if I ever get pregnant that I'll quit drenkin'...

That's a promise...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:59 AM

I hope that those who are distrustful of Wikipedia are aware that there are usually verifiable references cited - learn how to use them and you might be surprised at it's reliability.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:03 AM

The article is strikingly reminiscent in tone to those Victorian presentations of the evils of masturbation. "Mental retardation" and that dreadful drawing of a girl's face under the influence. Alcohol is indeed dangerou, but that article is a pol;emic, and not necessarily to be trusted.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:10 AM

50% of the time Blogopedia isn't even useful for cheating in pub quizzes! Its downright wrong.

That people increasingly quote it as a source - and a definitive source at that - is disappointing and genuinely scary.

All part of the continuong dumbing-down of the global population: "Hey, II read it on the Internet- it HAS to be true"

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:48 AM

Um, dads don't provide anything to the prenatal environment.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: wysiwyg
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 11:46 AM

Of course they do. Directly and indirectly. Men matter.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 11:59 AM

It's pointless to criticize ANYTHING if you can't suggest something better (or don't want to bother).

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:06 PM

I have criticised the article, and suggested something better. The something better, in this case, being an article without that dreadful picture and the "mental retardation" stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:19 PM

Mrrzy: "Um, dads don't provide anything to the prenatal environment."

Neither do blind mothers. I'd suggest, opening your eyes, and BE the type of woman, that makes her man WANT to be more, that you can see. It's Perception, Perception, Perception!!

A man is NOT going to be the SAME to the children, as a mother is...and its that DIFFERENCE that makes the WHOLE!

If you want to turn your man, into a woman...well, that says more about you, than your ol' man!

Though I agree, that SOME men fall down on their obligations and PRIVILEGE to be a good father, your statement shows a jaded bitchiness, on your part.

Soften up.

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:25 PM

50% of the time Blogopedia isn't even useful for cheating in pub quizzes! Its downright wrong.

You can say so. Independent studies (well, at least one) has shown it to be amazingly accurate, I believe the term they used was "more accurate than the Encyclopaedia Brittanica" for the terms they looked up. Where it's likely to go wrong are on issues that are hotly debated, especially political ones, where each "side" will edit the last edit to turn it back to their point of view.

I have criticised the article, and suggested something better. The something better, in this case, being an article without that dreadful picture and the "mental retardation" stuff.

So what you want is an article that agrees with your point of view, and damned be the actual medical evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Slag
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:51 PM

UH, In case you hadn't noticed or failed to read the opening volley, I did not refer to Wikki-quickki at all. I was drawing from memory of an actual study that probably took place in the mid to late 70's (that alone may make it suspect!).

I also remember reading that folks with more than three creases in their earlobe (right or left?) were 50% more lkely to have a heart attack than those without creases. Hmmm? You might just figure that folks with three or more creases in their earlobes are thirty to forty years older than folks without and therefor 50% mor likely to have a heart attack at any rate!

For the same reason that scientists must duplicate the results of an experiment one should always have at least two different sources to confirm an assertion (appeal to populace?). Even the Mosaic law demands at least two witnesses to substantiate a charge!

Just thought I'd throw out an interesting tid-bit from the long ago. I'd drink to that! And what's more some of you have now added the word "philtrum" to your vocabulary!

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:34 PM

Independent studies (well, at least one)

Which study is that, who did it, what sort of sample of the crap posted on Blogopedia did it look at, and where can I read it?

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 07:49 PM

The article is pretty thorough and cites its sources and says 'often' and 'some' when appropriate.....and is subject to revision & editing by those qualified. That seems to me to be a better situation than just assertions in a printed encyclopedia or undocumented claims on some internet site.
   I see myriads of documentation and citations in this one.....and I assume there are many more qualified than I or anyone here to review & edit it.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:26 PM

for GregF

number one
number two
number three

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:10 AM

Some people are just given to an argumentative spirit, no matter how trivial!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:49 PM

And some people are interested in substantiated fact as opposed to bullshit posted on a blog.

Your newspaper articles are from 5 years back, Mouse, and they are not the "study" mentioned above that I inquired about. Nice try; verdict: Not Proven.

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:16 AM

GregF, My comment was just in general, not specifically towards yours, for what its worth......(if anything).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:23 AM

Nice try

Felling a bit pissy, are we?

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:24 AM

*Feeling

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 03:00 AM

Me??..Not at all

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: olddude
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 10:43 AM

Good grief,
Slag asked a simple question .. some pointed out that it is on the net. Others pointed out it may or may not be true. What is all the mean spirited arguing about ? Sometime folks just like to argue. I swear we could argue that grass wasn't green on this website

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 12:36 PM

MY grass isn't green; it's dry and brownish!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM

Some of my grass is green, and some of it is brown. It's a contingent thing, not a tautology or a contradiction.

Besides what's wrong with arguing, if it's done respectfully and graciously?

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 03:09 PM

The thumbprint might also indicate syphillus

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: Slag
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 01:18 AM

...and the green on your lip, it ain't grass, er, well maybe it is. sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: olddude
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 08:45 AM

LOL ... Ok I stand corrected LOL .. for some the grass is created by God painting, for some there is no such thing as grass cause we don't believe grass exists. And yet for others it could be the republicans or Dems accusing them of grass

Subject: RE: BS: God's Thumbprint
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 10 - 10:24 PM

My grass is...hey wait!..My grass is gone...someone took it!...probably the same jerk who stole the letters off my last post!

GfS