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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,marks(on the road) Date: 07 Nov 12 - 08:31 AM Dems hold presidency Repubs hold house Dems hold senate Looks like the electorate has arranged a stalemate Don't expect much over the next two years till the midterms in 2014 Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,achmelvich Date: 07 Nov 12 - 08:32 AM yes, brits don't get that extremist stuff either -you yanks seem such nice folks- and are horrified by the power of religious fanatics over there. our own government has the extremism and some nutters even reject the dangers of climate change but you would have to look very hard to find anyone wanting to teach creationism in schools. will these tea party types tone it down a bit now? what will the lunatics do to try and get back control of the asylum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,Ouch Date: 07 Nov 12 - 08:44 AM Financial Times of London Obama VictoryWall Street set to dip as 'fiscal cliff' and eurozone worries take hold. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:08 AM Hooray !!!! Soooo relieved and reassured to know we can get through 2012 Mayan Apocalypse Prediction panic without added anxiety of extreme right wing religious USA 'End of days' Rapture nutters grabbing control of the Doomsday Nuke Launch triggers... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: bbc Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:10 AM I agree with Joe Offer. Best to all, bbc |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Rapparee Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:18 AM No matter who won I figgered we'd have a new boss, same as the old boss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:32 AM I didn't vote for Bush. I voted Libertarian those times. And I play more guitar than banjo. Banjo gives me a little variety. =(:-( D) so you wasted another opportunity? I have voted for the third party in a presidential election... but since I knew that my vote wouldn't effect the "great actor" from getting the best role in his life, I used it to support taxpayer $ going to that third party. we need to support sanity and moderation in the country... hate mongers should be relegated to trash heap of history... if we want to be respected and admired as a nation, we should behave as respectable human beings to others - both internally and externally. the "Ugly American" needs to become extinct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:55 AM ""Please don't feed the trolls.....sigh."" There are trolls and trolls Bobad. Our Henry often shows a greater intelligence than fits in with his apparent lack of social skills and absence of good manners. If he will try serious discussion and a degree of respect, his opinions would probably be worthy of attention. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Nov 12 - 09:56 AM S-U-P-R-E-M-E C-O-U-R-T |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Stringsinger Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:02 AM "For a Brit who doesn't understand the complexities of US voting, can I now go to bed confident this is a definite indisputable conclusive victory ?" Yes, this was a conclusive victory for democracy, not just for Dems and Obama. The American voter overroad the cheating and conniving of the GOP sometimes standing in line for 6 hours to honor their franchise. This was a victory for the people of the United States. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:04 AM Amen!!! but we do need to get rid of some extremists in Congress first... otherwise it will be bloody... this country could use fewer politicians and more statesmen... able to put aside their own personal gain and look to do their best for the nation as a whole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:26 AM "Carl Rove says Romney can still win." I think I'll frame that statement. One of the late night moments of comic relief was when FOX News announced that Obama had won in Ohio and Karl Rove, who is employed as a consultant at FOX News while heading up a massive PAC for funding millions to Republican candidates all over the country, rejected the claim from FOX's own statisticians. Ohio results this morning seem to confirm a decisive win for Obama in Ohio. The results in Florida are still considered too close to call but Obama has a moderately strong lead and its Democratic strongholds that have not been completely counted. There were some great wins by Democrats in the US Senate races, beginning with Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts. We did fine in Maine with the Democrats regaining control over both the Senate and the House, and with voters approving Marriage Equality by a substantial majority. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:45 AM I do hope that if the fiscal cliff does produce a major problem, voters will see the reason - Repuglican stonewalling and filibusting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:46 AM Speaking of Fox News (and how can you not?), last night one of their top analysts explained that Romney's problem was that "he's a Northeast liberal who couldn't rally conservatives." The remedy for the GOP? Next time, they'll have to... "Move farther to the right." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 07 Nov 12 - 10:50 AM Yesterday was a great day for the USA (see TIA's spelling lesson above). Real change in this country happens very slowly due to a very diverse electorate and to expect any one person to be able to effect that change in a few years is unrealistic. I'm Green and the only really substantial debate I saw during the election cycle was the 3rd party debate on C-Span where they addressed the important issues that Romney and the Prez were avoiding *BUT* siphoning off votes to the Greens and facilitating the election of Romney would have been a disaster for this country, the environment and it's future generations (think Supreme Court). We've got to keep fightin for change and the GOP is in a position where they have to recognize the changing electorate or die. Voter supression and massive amounts of Super Pac money-generated negative ads turned out to be a pretty feeble strategy, at least on the national level. WHOOPEE! (now back to nursing this hangover) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Henry Krinkle Date: 07 Nov 12 - 11:06 AM President Henry Krinkle has a nice sound to it. Don't you agree? And I'm developing my platform. Abolish the Death Penalty. High tariffs on Chinese goods. Massive overhaul of education. Music lessons mandatory in schools. 40 acres and a mule for anybody who wants it. No more gun control of any kind. Pack a piece if you like. Legalize dueling. I'm just getting started. Send your campaign donations to: Henry Krinkle for President 154 Hopper Avenue Fair Lawn, NJ 610452 =(:-( D) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 07 Nov 12 - 11:12 AM The check's in the mail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,CS Date: 07 Nov 12 - 11:41 AM ..and the rest of the world goes "phew!" I'm not a big fan of Obama, he's good with saying the right words, less good with taking right action. However, he's also not a dumb gun nut with his finger poised itchily over the "Boomb!" button. How I prey that Obama is able to keep the US (and by default the UK too) out of Iran. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,TIA Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:07 PM Bill O'Reilly on FOX News last night revealed the GOP's big problem: "Obama wins because it's not a traditional America anymore. The white establishment is the minority. People want things." Wow. Where to begin with the possible (probable?) subtexts in that statement. -Traditional Americans would not vote for Obama -If you are not white, you are not "traditional America" -These non-white people are freeloaders Oh, wait. I'm playing the race card. Shit. Sorry. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Suck it Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:08 PM "prey"! Chuckle! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Ron Davies Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:19 PM Richard-- "irrefutable proof". Link, please. And, yet again, the problem with dwelling on voting corruption is that it encourages people not to vote. That's why the focus should always be on raising turnout. No "head in sand " attitude about voting machine problems--obviously that should be rooted out. But it is remarkable that for some reason, you seem to always leave out the idea of the importance of voting--or at least it is a very minor consideration to you. One might even possibly think you are cynical about voting--which of course would be totally unfair to you, I'm sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Ed T Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:40 PM For those "USA election junkies, don't fear. The 2016 election campaign (cam-pain)starts today. For those (very few) who live outside USA election sphere, GOP meaning: Get Out and Push |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:49 PM Florida Results are in except for provisional ballots with 100% of precincts reporting: Obama: 49.86% 4,141,300 Romney: 49.29% 4,093,807 Others: 0.73% 60,311 So I think we can chalk this state up to Obama as well. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:59 PM Not only has Obama taken a commanding lead in the Electoral College vote, he has also a credible lead in the popular vote: Obama 60,059,313 50.3% Romney 57,377,759 48.1% There was some doubt about that last night but rather than rehash those thoughts, look at the numbers. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: TIA Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:02 PM One video (uploaded to a sketchy site) does not come close to proving massive electronic vote tampering, but here is cellphone video from a voter in PA showing a clear problem with a machine. Just one accident? Part of a pattern? Way too early to tell, but this certainly needs to be investigated. http://perezhilton.com/2012-11-06-ballot-tampering-anti-obama-pennsylvania-robot-apocalypse-mitt-romney see for yourself |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Bobert Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:05 PM Yes, TIA... The most important aspect of this election is the Supreme Court... I mean, no matter who won, the next year is going to be a slobber-knocker in terms of taxes, the budget and the House right wing radicals... Romney would have had to deal with those, too, and probably wouldn't have faired any better than what we're going to see over the next couple three months... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,CS Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:11 PM Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 12 - 12:08 PM "prey"! Chuckle! Quite! What kind of predatory creature would you imagine a hard right-wing USA to be? I reckon it'd be a cross between a Boa Constrictor, a T Rex and a Jackal. The UK on the other hand is like a poisonous Tree Frog crossed with a faithful arse sniffing Blood Hound. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:12 PM Here's a graphic description of the Karl Rove reaction to his employer FOX News calling Ohio for Obama: Forget Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. The most exciting matchup of the night was between Karl Rove and his employer, Fox News. A little after 11 p.m., Fox News and every other news outlet called the presidential race for Obama. Rove, the mastermind of George W. Bush's campaign and now a political commentator on Fox, didn't buy it. Why? According to Rove, who appeared to be going through extreme denial that Mitt Romney had lost, there were too many outstanding votes in Ohio to give the state to Obama, tipping the race in his favor. No one else at Fox took his side. And to prove him wrong, Megyn Kelly walked down the hall in a live action shot to the "decision desk" that called the race and interviewed the men in charge. Their response was essentially that while some counties haven't reported all the Romney votes yet, there are too many votes unreported in Democratic territory like Cleveland that it wouldn't matter. "There just aren't enough Republican votes left for Mitt Romney to get there," said decision maker Chris Stirewalt. I bet Karl has a real hangover this morning. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:15 PM ummm...999 did you really mean this? "Logical votes would have done what Henry Krinkle did: GREEN." That would be logical only IF it were a fully developed party as part of a multiple party system such as Israel. *I* see the virtues ... and the hazards.. of such a system, but who do you see on either side trying to engineer such a drastic change? It would require at least one amendment to the Constitution and THAT needs approval of states who would rather compete against only ONE other party. The last time anything significant was done by a 3rd party was when " in 2000, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader catapulted George W. Bush into the Oval Office by siphoning off 97,488 Florida votes that otherwise would have gone to Al Gore."...and before that, Ross Perot probably got Clinton elected. If logic were universal, a LOT of stuff would be different, but we have to play the hand we're dealt. *I* would like to start with a simple change of eliminating the electoral college and revamping the primary system, so that Iowa, N. Hampshire don't get all the early attention and we don't have 5-6 states determining the entire election at the end. I DID vote logically.... by voting for someone I basically believe will try to do a decent job and NOT voting for someone whose influence would have sent us into a hateful theocracy....as someone said S*U*P*R*E*M*E C*O*U*R*T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:22 PM A very popular result round the world. As this page shows, in pretty well every country most people hoped Obama would win. And now that includes the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:31 PM The resentful venom coming from some Republicans beats anything I've ever seen the day after an election. Example. Former campaign operative Mary Matalin, now a CNN regular, calls Obama "mendacious," "malicious," "divisive," "derisive," and "destructive," a master of "platitudes and personal destruction," whose only electoral mandate appears to be "forced contraception." The charges of voter fraud and Donald Trump's call for revolution have already been mentioned. A muted Mitch McConnell says that the voters have given Obama another term to solve all the problems he's already had four years to solve. The guy on Fox News claimed that Obama has "trampled on" America's "religious freedoms" and is trying to dictate to Americans "how far they can believe." Some Republicans, including Romney himself, have been appropriately constructive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:12 PM "Donald Trump's call for revolution" Trump deserves his own special room in an asylum for the politically inane. Trump calling for a revolution is like Marie Antoinette asking for another slice of cake before her execution. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:16 PM It strikes me it would be a much better system if all the voting took place before any of the counting was done, and all the counting was completed before the results were announced - and only at that stage could there be any question of anyone conceding defeat or claiming victory. Of course it would take a bit longer, but that's why your system has this long delay before there's a handover to a new administration. What's the hurry? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:21 PM The simplest google will show user statements about machines changing votes. Try to keep up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: akenaton Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:21 PM I think you have ended up with an even more divided nation. Divided chiefly along the lines of race.....95% of Afro Americans supported President Obama (coincidence?) Also diveded on political and social lines. there has to be plenty of compromise.....on both sides, if anything is to be achieved, tho' i feel the biggest problem will turn out to be racial tensions. Mr Obama is beginning to be perceived as a "black" for a "brown" nation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: akenaton Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:24 PM Sorry, that should read a "black" president for a "brown" nation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Henry Krinkle Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:26 PM You should have voted Green. Instead you voted for Wall Street. Baaaaaaaa!!!!! Baaaaaa!!! =(:-( 0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:33 PM Back in the '60s, when election-night polling and predicting methods became startlingly reliable, there was some discussion of passing a law to forbid statistical election-night predictions before all the polls had closed. That would allow people to vote without being unduly influenced by either the bandwagon effect or the sense that their vote might not count anyway. Since the law would mean no predictions till after midnight on the East Coast - resulting in little viewer interest (or advertising revenue) on election night - it went nowhere. There may also have been a study showing that the predictions had no real effect on turnout anyway: I'm not sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:44 PM You should have voted Green. Instead you voted for Wall Street. Baaaaaaaa!!!!! Baaaaaa!!! =(:-( 0) the broken record... LPs for the younger folk.... hasn't he listened & figured out that in today's elections, a vote for GREEN is a defacto vote for Wall Street? I think I found a nominee for the political Darwin Award. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: TIA Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:46 PM "95% of Afro Americans supported President Obama (coincidence?)" Nope. Not coincidence at all. The GOP ran against Obama using "dog whistle" phrases, and in the end even gave up on dog whistles, and was openly racist. Take a look at the Bill O'Reilly quote I posted above. That's the modern GOP. Why in the world would anyone expect American blacks to vote for the person whose party is actively campaigning against them?!? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Henry Krinkle Date: 07 Nov 12 - 02:52 PM Enjoy Prez al-Obama. And the I told you so's. =(:-( P) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Rapparee Date: 07 Nov 12 - 03:39 PM What thrills me is that Tammy Duckworth defeated Joe Walsh by better than 16,000 votes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Nov 12 - 04:10 PM Yes, that is very nice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Don Firth Date: 07 Nov 12 - 04:17 PM One must remember that poor Henry Krinkle is like a congenital wallflower at a gala event. He desperately craves attention, but since, intellectually and personality-wise he is the equivalent of a sack of cement, he strives to gain attention by the only way he knows. He leaps up on the banquet table and pisses in the punch bowl. There you are, Dinkle! There's some attention. Cherish it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Charley Noble Date: 07 Nov 12 - 04:27 PM Oh, what joy! I just noticed that Rep. Alan West of Florida was blown away as well. Bye, bye! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 12 - 04:28 PM "95% of Afro Americans supported President Obama (coincidence?)" But they would never have voted for Allen West, who LOOKS black. ...and they didn't even put West back in congress. They viewed, quite sensibly, that a Romney agenda would likely have directly negatively affected minority rights. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 12 - 04:42 PM Well, why would they vote for Romney, Bill? There's nothing about his party that would encourage them to. On the other hand, Obama hasn't done much (if anything) for them either...he's just better than Romney, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: akenaton Date: 07 Nov 12 - 05:09 PM Tia and Bill, you are being unrealistic. if the American electorate are as dumb as you seem to believe, how do you think them capable of objective political thinking? You certainly consider Tea Party supporters to be politically ignorant as well as racist and homophobic. Mr Obama is not a symbol of unity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 12 - 05:32 PM *I* never said anything about the electorate being dumb. Some may well be, but those who are genuinely dumb (read: incompetent to even understand basic issues) do not figure in MY opinion. as to: "You certainly consider Tea Party supporters to be politically ignorant as well as racist and homophobic." How do you know what I think about the tea party? Some are all of those sad things, but mostly they are just unrealistically and/or emotionally committed to shallow slogans and narrow special interest issues like guns & abortion. "On the other hand, Obama hasn't done much (if anything) for them either. Nonsense! If I wasn't too busy, I'd type out 3 paragraphs of explanation. In the meantime, Google will inform you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins!!! From: GUEST,bflat Date: 07 Nov 12 - 05:59 PM I couldn't be happier. Character matters and President Obama will always be a man of character. We do know who he is and what he says he doesn't run from. Don't forget the 47% comments of Romney. The most significant win will be the opportunity to change "Citizens United" when the direction of the Supreme Court improves. We must have campaign finance reform and a new way of funding. This is a democracy still isn't it? Ellen |
