BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:26 PM

The standards referred to were those of the FBI- take it up with them

"Or might lie! With a factor of eight to one in Zimmerman's favour."

How do you get those numbers? How many testified? Than you cannot count- there were BOTH of Martin's parents, both of Zimmerman's and you claim 14 of his close friends ( the number you need to get 8:1) I saw only three- making it 5:2.

Why do you need to lie even when the numbers favor you? Is your point so weak it will not stand without an exaggeration?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:31 PM

"If he'd left it to the police, Martin might have got off with just a severe beating for walking through a gated community where he had every right to be.
"

If he had left it to the police, Martin could have chosen NOT to attack the policemen and nothing would have happened.

If Martin had chosen not to throw the first punch, there might not have been a shooting at all.

If you were a decent person, you might not accuse people who disagree with you of being Klan members.


But IF didn't happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:32 PM

And, no, Greggie, I have not watched the video- I read the transcript that I posted the link to.

Did you?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

""++I++ brought up early in this thread that had Martin been a white skinhead and Zimmerman a black preacher I would not change my opinion about it, and decide based on the evidence presented. I was chastised for this- it seems that the racists such as Bobert , Greggie, and their friends WANT to base judgement on race, and not facts.""

If you ever bothered to read and understand the whole of what others post, which you obviously do not, you would have noticed that way back in this thread I supported your call for a fair trial and several times strongly suggested that the judge is the only one who should be allowed to rule on admissibility.

Bobert claimed that the judge had already failed to act competently and I disagreed with him.

At the time I believed that you honestly and impartially desired a fair trial.

As the debate progressed I began to see your attitude change from wanting a fair trial to wanting acquittal, and nothing you have said since has altered that impression.

I have posted a raft of evidence other than Martin's phone, which has been cynically witheld from the jury, and all of a sudden your attitude to fair disclosure reverses.

The fact that the judge biases the proceedings doesn't bother you in the least, since it is in Zimmerman's favour that this evidence be excluded.

Your integrity is in tatters, as you ignore all evidence of Zimmerman's violent nature, and come to the conclusion that this outcome can be called "Justice".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

What I cut& pasted into the link maker:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html

What comes out when I create link:


http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh


Even a scumsucking racist like Greggie can see there is a truncation- Trust a "liberal" to not bother to try it himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:41 PM

""The standards referred to were those of the FBI- take it up with them""

The FBI didn't rule them out!

THE JUDGE DID!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:45 PM

Yup- I read it and its only a PARTIAL story posted on a Blog. A ten second web search would supply you with the complete story, but apparently you've no interest in being factual or accurate. Or just can't spare the time.

An again: do you have any proof that the woman's story is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:47 PM

Just for argument's sake...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

Based on the trial, an the evidence presented, I have made a conclusion- Others here are making their conclusions based on what they think could have happened, without regard to the presented evidence.

Was the evidence false? The prosecution did not make an effort to prove that.

Was there racial profiling- Not according to the presented transcripts of 911 call, interviews, or testimony.

The presumption of innocence is a part of our system of justice- there was nothing presented that would lead a reasonable person to think that Zimmerman was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

SHOULD he have been convicted of manslaughter? I suspect the prosecution COULD have made a good case for that, but the POLITICAL decision was made to go for 2nd degree murder. THAT is why Zimmerman got off without punishment.

And wWHY did they go for murder when manslaughter would have given as long or longer a sentence? BECAUSE the racists and "liberals" were demanding it- so it becomes their fault Zimmerman walks.

If it had been done according to the law, with full disclosure, and a Grand Jury, the charge would have been manslaughter at worst, and the jury may well have decided for that, if the prosecution had presented the evidence for it.

But in the attempt to meet the "court of public opinion" the state threw that away.

And every young black male being arrested and charged in these "demonstrations " is bearing the price of the "liberal" media and the racists that demanded a murder charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:51 PM

I think by now that even Helen Keller can see from her grave that the judge badly bungled the trial... The prosecution didn't do much better...

Bottom line here was the fix was in from the jump... Throw in the terrible Florida self-defense and stand-your-ground laws then it comes down to this: murder anyone you want... Just don't have any witnesses and you'll get away with it, right???

Whoa, not so fast...

Wait until the exact same kind of case comes up where a black man shoots a white man...

Hmmmmmmm???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

Interesting interpretation, Beardy. Demented and fanciful, but interesting none the less.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:56 PM

Greggie,

"its only a PARTIAL story posted on a Blog. "

1. Not a blog, a news report.


"A ten second web search would supply you with the complete story,"

2. THEN SHOW ME A REFERENCE TO MORE- you lying racist scum.

I not YOU cannot be bothered to back up your own claim, but have to lie about my post

http://www.click2houston.com is a media station Channal 2 in Housto, where the demonstration occurred.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:01 PM

Saul, I commented on that in the other thread.


How about:

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

Evidence tells me he is guilty- so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:04 PM

THEN SHOW ME A REFERENCE TO MORE

So you're incapable of verifying your horseshit yourself before posting it? Or just too lazy? Or you don't know how to use a search engine? Or you know that if its posted on the internet it must be true?

Which is it?

And have you any proof that the woman's story is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:08 PM

so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.

Uh, no BullshitBruce, I doubt anybody will.

At any rate, bringing up this irrelevant Wisconsin case is even more demented and idiotic than your usual horseshit.

Congratulations! You've outdone yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:08 PM

Greggie, scumsucker,

I verified by going to the media outlet that presented the original story, I have posted it.

You have made claims, but supported none of them. If YOU can't bother to show me to be wrong, I must be right. Until you provide some evidence otherwise

You made claims this is a blog, and false:

So you're incapable of verifying your horseshit yourself before posting it? Or just too lazy? Or you don't know how to use a search engine? Or you know that if its posted on the internet it must be true?

Which is it?

And have you any proof that the woman's story is NOT true?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:10 PM

White male kills young black male and is convicted of murder- Greggie says it doesn't matter.

After all, he was just a 13 year old black boy. No reason for Greggie to give a damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 01:21 PM

Greggie scunsucker,

"A Local 2 camera covering the protest recorded the entire incident. On the video you could see Georgia sitting in the front seat of an SUV, she had her window down and you can see a man reach in and grab her. Georgia said she was hit.

"When we got on the road I told her, 'Let's call 911," and I could feel I had been hit," she said.
"

YOU claim to see the video- Therefore you KNOW this is not a blog.

You are intentionally lyng here. I guess you just have to take after Bobert.

But I doubt if we will call your lies "Greggie Facts"


You need to at least pretend that you believe your own lies for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:32 PM

Easy, BullshitBruce, easy. You'll hurt yourself. You off your meds again?

Nice load of additional horseshit, but you STILL haven't answered the several questions.

As expected. Just more name-calling and more bushels of horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:43 PM

So, Greggie,

You find the video, claim to watch it, then say it is a blog and not true-

You are lying to all of us, without even trying to make up a story.




I answered your questions - YOU should answer for your lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:44 PM

Of course, the "liberals" here will support you, since none of you have any more respect for the truth than you do for the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM

Take your meds, Beardy, you're even more incoherent than usual.

By the way, you STILL haven't answered my questions, just more spittle & horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:44 PM

I just hope this racist, wannabe cop doesn't walk on a technicality

Too late, he's already walked,cheered on by BullshitBruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:58 PM

When I read this article (link below), the juror's comments struck me as having that familiar spin, you know, that one you hear whenever someone wants to steer the conversation away from real accountability. "B37" goes on as if this tragedy unfolded on its own; as if it were mainly due to unfortunate circumstances. Just bad luck.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/07/16/2306901/7-mind-blowing-moments-from

She doesn't mention what lesson "George" supposedly learned. This juror blows my mind but what really blows my mind is that a few of you seem to agree with her. I say that it could have been my son but I know that's not the case. My son is white. I don't believe that someone like George Zimmerman would have profiled my son- even with a hoodie.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 06:31 PM

Don't try to confuse these clowns with facts, SJL - they're impervious.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 07:36 PM

No, SJL, your son would still be fine...

The problem here is that "r" stands for "red states" and also "racist"...

BTW, the Republican party has promoted as much racism as it can get away with... It uses PR firms and control groups to exploit people's fears with the hope of keeping racism alive and well within its base of voters...

The entire Tea wing is nothing but KKK holdovers... These people are so eat up with Republican sponsored racism that these people are lost... And so are their kids...

And the beat goes on...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 09:33 PM

Red Queen: "Are you going to make us listen to Biff? :-)"

Going to 'Make' you listen to Biff'????..What do you think I am, a bureaucrat working for the government??

Red Queen: "What are you, some kind of hippie?"

Huh??..Oh you mean that last group of young people who the Democrat Party used and co-opted, when they needed to get people to believe that they were actually 'AGAINST' the Vietnam war...then discarded them, because they had to mature anyway? Well, at least a lot of them liked folk music...The way you asked that, appears that you look down on them..you know, they were useful to the 'Party' for a while, but that's over..now they're 'lower class'....like the Party's 'niggers'?..Is that what you meant?

'Make you listen to Biff'....did you like George Carlin??
Biff was his writer...bet ya' didn't know that...

AS TO THE OTHER POSTS:

To some people, the actual series of events, are facts..to other people, opinions based on emotions, are facts.

Did it ever occur to anyone, that maybe the prosecution WANTED their case to fail, for political reasons and mileage?? That maybe their marching orders came from the 'higher ups'? ....designed to fail?? ..and the divisions that it has caused, was deliberate? ..and that the stirred up emotions about it WAS the DESIRED effect?? ...and that you're all a bunch of unwitting dupes??
Now why would they want to do that??
Why would they freak about a guy shooting another, then making it a race issue, and getting people to take to the streets, so they can punch each other out, and hopefully shoot a few more??..of either race?....Sounds too agenda driven, but makes more sense, than a bunch of government lawyers making so many basic blunders of incompetence, on a simple trial...
Just a thought..............

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:08 AM

""http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

http://news.yahoo.com/wis-man-76-guilty-fatal-shooting-teen-185219975.html

Evidence tells me he is guilty- so I guess you all will argue and say he should have gotten off.""

Now you've really lost the bloody plot BB. WTF has an open and shut case of premeditated murder, caught on the murderer's own security camera, have to do with the Zimmerman fiasco.

In the Zimmerman case, the State didn't want to prosecute and when they were forced to do so, they set the trisl up to acquit.

Zimmerman was acquitted within one hour of murdering Trayvon Martin, following the same pattern of activity he had previously used on his ex girlfriend, by the law enforcement officers who weren't inclined to get too interested in the death of a n***er.

That's Sanford law for you.

And why do you keep hammering the word evidence as excusing the acquittal, when you have been shown a mass of evidence which was deliberately kept from the jury.

The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction. Had they been allowed to hear ALL the evidence, it's just about certain that the verdict would have been guilty.

The State wasn't incompetent. It got exactly the result it wanted.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:16 AM

""After all, he was just a 13 year old black boy. No reason for Greggie to give a damn.""

Are you a complete idiot?

The boy you are trying to get us worked up about will at least get justice, because his killer is convicted and going down fo life. So apart from the fact that all of us are appalled by the awful waste of a young life, what precisely would you like us to protest about?

Perhaps the fact that a rather nasty prick is cynically using his death to make points, but really doesn't give two fucks for the boy or his family.

The same lack of concern that he has for Trayvon Martin.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:28 AM

""Did it ever occur to anyone, that maybe the prosecution WANTED their case to fail, for political reasons and mileage?? That maybe their marching orders came from the 'higher ups'? ....designed to fail??""

Have you been asleep for the whole of this thread, or do you post without bothering with what others have to say?

I have been saying throughout that the fix was in and Teflon George was always going to walk.

the trial was a carefully staged FARCE!

But not for political reasons! It was a horse of a different colour!

Don T.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:14 AM

No Don - he is just a total fucking idiot. Horse, water, etc!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Red Queen
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:13 AM

STOP IT, ALL OF YOU!

I am your Queen. If there's any yelling to be done, I'LL do it!

And I'LL decide when we should listen to Biff. Hmmm, now is a good time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_-A9rGLaYs&sns=em

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:51 AM

Sorry, Red Queen, but your little sideshow disrespects the life of Trayvon Martin...

Guess better, next time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:52 AM

Don,

You really need to work on your math.

"The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction."

1. There were 6 jurors
2. The juror stated that three thought Z was innocent, two thought he was guilty of manslaughter, and 1 thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder initially.


Why do you need to keep lying about easily seen facts? Are you so devouted to your viewpoint that you ignore simple reality to make a case?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:58 AM

"By the way, you STILL haven't answered my questions, just more spittle & horseshit."


What questions have I not answered?




How far up your ass you have your head?

How many time you claim others are racists after your stating that "balck, and a Democrat" was the same to you as "dumb ni**er"?

How many times that Bobert supports you in your racist attacks?


Which one????

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics."

Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as "a black Hispanic" Yet he may be closer to the 'hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It's never had a white mayor.

Is Holder saying we've got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America's problem?

Obama seems not to think so. The Rev. Sharpton notwithstanding, he is touting Ray Kelly as a possible chief of homeland security.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:21 AM

Are you [BullshitBruce] a complete idiot?

Don, I'm surprised you had to pose that question; the answer has been staring us all in the face for quite some time now.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:51 AM

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.        

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:54 AM

OK, Don T...the big question is, WHY do YOU think it was designed to fail?...and, How far up do you think it went?

Here's your shot, go for it!

Red Queen, 'Molly' was one of my brother's very favorite songs, before he died in a car accident, in central Florida, I might add.

Are you into Biff? Personally, I thought/think he's a fucking genius, in his lyrics, his piano chops, and his ability to go where he goes to grab it...and thought so since I first heard him in the '60's. When music, or any art holds up in time, and still works, you KNOW!!
His stuff is as relevant today, as it was 46 years ago, when he wrote it!...in fact, MOST of the ideologues, should have such a clue!!
To bad they're blocked...constipation of the brain!....and what makes it worse....they figured out how to type!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:00 AM

Comedian Bill Cosby says the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Florida teen isn't about racism.
Cosby, an outspoken voice on cultural issues, says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives at any point during his confrontation with Martin. That means race shouldn't be a part of the conversation regarding the case.
"Let's not go into a racial discussion unless we really have something there," he told radio hosts Domenick Nati and Nate Foutz.
Cosby also blasted the news media and said that he had stopped paying attention to "high-profile" court cases after the Casey Anthony murder trial because journalists were so convinced she would be found guilty and yet she was not....
Regarding the Zimmerman trial, Cosby said that he did not think the state of Florida was able to prove its case against him. "I found that the prosecution did not tell the story well. And they lost," Cosby said.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:01 AM

Barkley has it right!

The BIG question, is WHY???....Why was the prosecution purposely fucking up the case???...because they were racists???...OR...using the race issue, to stir shit up??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:10 AM

Got to do something to get out the vote in 2014- Obama might well have a Republican Senate and House the last two year of his presidency.

Better race riots and martial law than that!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:23 AM

""Juror B37 said the jurors were initially divided on Zimmerman's guilt, with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, but that the jury agreed to acquit the 29-year-old Zimmerman after more closely reviewing the law.

In a part of the interview that aired Tuesday, Juror B37 said it wouldn't have made much difference if Zimmerman had testified at trial since she believes he would have gave the same story he gave investigators in videotaped police interviews that were played at the trial.

Juror B37 said at one point it appeared they might be heading to a hung jury as another juror wanted to leave. The other jurors convinced her to stay.

Juror B37 said a block of concrete that defense attorney Mark O'Mara placed in front of jurors during closing arguments made an impression, as did photos of Zimmerman's bloodied head. She also believed Martin's actions contributed to his death.""

1. Firstly Bruce, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, and I have highlighted the reason in the first paragraph above.

You also owe yourself a kick in the pants for not reading and comprehending this passage,which was posted by you in one of your interminable cut 'n pastes.

2. Juror B37 is also rather dumb, in that she reckons Zimmerman taking the stand would have made no difference. Obviously she has never heard of cross examination, which would have highlighted Zimmerman's smugly dismissive attitude to the killing of a human being. Zimmerman, throughout, has shown no more concern or regret than one might expect had he stepped on a cockroach.

This might well have swayed the only honest participants in this farce, the jury, and resulted in a different verdict.

Finally, unless the defence was claiming that Trayvon Martin carried and/or used that block of concrete as a weapon, it should not have been allowed to make an impression on the jury. Another abysmal failure of the judge to nullify a cheap lawyer's trick.

I'm also not surprised that one juror wanted to leave. The law might force an acquittal based on the incomplete evidence permitted to be heard by the jury. But I would have strong feelings of being contaminated had I been party to the result.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:27 AM

""CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict.""

Oh well! If CHARLES BARKLEY agrees, that puts a whole new complexion on it..............NOT!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:31 AM

Trolling is popular everywhere. I supposed stimulating each other is why people keep at it in this type of thread. But the media has figured out if they can continue to keep people pissed off, people will join their club and shout the appropriate things when cued. They've learned how to mobilize mobs.

If you're shouting along with people you don't know about something of which you have absolutely no personal knowledge, condemning those whose personal business it IS, you're a tool.

Yes, I think we need to speak out against injustice, but if you think it's injustice just because your favorite cheerleaders tell you it is, you're a tool. If you just want to be a part of that movement, you're a tool. If you think you know better than jury members after the media feeds you selected bits of evidence and opinion, you're a tool. If you're surprised by WHO believes your team is wrong, you might be a tool.

Don't just question authority--question every fucking thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:33 AM

BB, why do you keep posting other peoples' opinions.

I don't give a fuck what Bill Cosby believes.

His opinion carries no more certainty of being right than mine.

All your postings serve to prove that you either have no opinions of your own, or that the ones you do have are so shaky that you need a cuple of celebs to give the credibility.

Don T.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:34 AM

"with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

WHICH IS WHAT I SAID< YOU LYING NAZI SCUNSUCKER!!!!





2. The juror stated that three thought Z was innocent, two thought he was guilty of manslaughter, and 1 thought he was guilty of 2nd degree murder initially.


3 + 2 + 1 = 6


with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, "

2+ 1 = 3

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:40 AM

Don,

Your posts prove that you pay little attention to facts, have already decided before the evidence is presented what you are willing to think, and NOT think, and that you are willing to lie even when it is not needed to say something, just to make you look right.

I think that the number of OPINIONS presented here by those YOU agree with exceed those I have posted- are you going UberMensch Bobert in making different rules for those you disagree with than those you apply to your racist "friends"?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:41 AM

Cosby...says the recent trial did not prove that Zimmerman had racist motives

But that doesn't mean that there WEREN'T racist motives, does it BullshitBruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:45 AM

"
1. Firstly Bruce, you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, and I have highlighted the reason in the first paragraph above.
"

No apology required, since your LIE is obvious.

YOU STATED: "
The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction"


THERE WERE 6 JURORS.

Three to Three, NOT Three to Two, WHICH IS WHAT I POINTED OUT.

So you owe me that apology, twice over.