BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:36 PM

& I take it that you are not going to deny that such outcomes as I here rubricate go on continuously in Saudi Arabia, N Nigeria, Yemen, Malaysia, Brunei [where NEW laws for stoning, beheading, amputation, flogging, have just, this last week or two, been enacted by the Sultan]... nations where Islamic Sharia law is institutionalised by legal forensic usage: ie that Islamic radicalism from which this thread takes its title.

Stuff your Ovaltine up your drivelling dribbling liquid shitting bumhole, you nasty stinking swinish little turd, Musket. Don't you dare speak to me like that, you pitiable pitiful jumped-up little imbecile!

Go on, now: laugh it off and make a few more evasive little cracks about calling for nurse. You poor deluded idiotic little booby.

But, like I say --- you'll learn

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:31 PM

Well, ~M~ You figure that a force of slavering Islamic fanatics are going to take invade and take over the UK or the U.S. and impose Sharia Law any time soon?

If so, you're an hysterical alarmist idiot & ready for membership in the tinfoil brigade.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:25 PM

"These awful consequences being?"
.,,.
Fancy being publicly hanged for being married to your own lawful wedded wife, do you? -- like this young person in Sudan at this moment; for having been brought up as a Christian & preferring it that way, even tho the father who walked out on them when she was 3 happened to be a Muslim; due to hang in two years when she has weaned her new daughter [aahhh, now, there's humane!]: after her 100 lashes, of course, for sleeping with her own husband.

Oh, yes; they're charming people indeed. So give them their heads, you purblind ½·wits: so they can have yours off with one of those nice fancy curved ceremonial swords in which they take such delight.

Just read the article about stoning & beheading in this week's Spectator, from the guy who happens to live & work there. Or Rod Liddle's convincing piece in the same journal. Oh, yes, but of course: Speccie happens to be a rightish journal, doesn't it: so boobies like you last two posters and the rest of your drivelling pathetic love-em-all mob can safely ignore anything printed therein. Hope it keeps fine for you -- on the day of your beheadings!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:07 PM

About time for his Ovaltine methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:03 PM

These awful consequences being?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 04:06 PM

All v well making jokes about sandwich boards and all doooomed, Pte Fraser. But I am honestly quite serious in my view that failure to confront and draw the fangs of militant Islam will 'doom' future generations to consequences which you - or they - will not like. I don't need to parade that down Oxford St. Just look at the incidents of the past 13 years and stop being such an insufferable head·in·sand smartarse: 9/11, 7/7, Rigby, Satanic Verses murder of Theo van Gogh ... That should be enuf 'evidence' for you to be going on with just for starters.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:54 PM

WHAT "points"?

Evidence of WHAT?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:41 PM

"Point out some mistakes I have made, please, and I will apologise for them"
You usually do Mike - it's got beyond mistakes now, it's your arrogance and your unbelievable hypocrisy in refusing even to respond to points but before you
"OK, ostriches. You'll learn -- or your children will."
Sandwich boars on Oxford Street tine again - we're all doooomed I tell you!!!.
Again, I repeat
I doubt if you will even bother providing evidence. but please do so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:02 PM

OK, ostriches. You'll learn -- or your children will.

Jim -- Point out some mistakes I have made, please, and I will apologise for them, as is my usual practice. I can think of none which can be adduced on this thread. Your disagreeing with some of the opinions I might have expressed is, I am sure you will appreciate, not quite the same thing.

The only exception I can think of is the mistake I appear to have made in assuming that you wouldn't have lost every vestige of your ability to accept a bit of light-❤ed joshing about the existence of such differences. Sorry about that, certainly.

Regards

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:54 PM

I think militant islam is a threat to the whole of the decent civilisation built up in the west. It makes no secret of the fact that world domination is its aim, by any means available to achieve this. I think the hypocrisy lies with you who evade these obvious facts

"Obvious facts"? Well, I haven't heard a cuckoo since early last week, but it's never too late...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:50 PM

"I think the hypocrisy lies with you who evade these obvious facts"
Obvious to you maybe - not to others
You have just accused me of being "the worst, most ungracious, argument-loser in the entire History Of The Universe."
I doubt if you will even bother providing evidence. but please do so
You are now displaying a vitriolic petulance towards those who disagree with you, in the past it takes the form of juvenile name-calling and sneering.
I have never really agreed with your political opinions, but I once respected your honesty and integrity and your willingness to apologise when you made a mistake.
All that seems to have disappeared under a mountain of hysteria sad
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:11 PM

That is, 'way-of-life'; though 'war-of-life' has a certain adventitious felicity, perhaps...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:10 PM

I can't see quite what can be denounced as hypocritical in my coming right out and saying that I think militant islam is a threat to the whole of the decent civilisation built up in the west. It makes no secret of the fact that world domination is its aim, by any means available to achieve this. I think the hypocrisy lies with you who evade these obvious facts and butter up this inimical-to-our-war-of-life violently proselytising system because many of its members happen to be differently skin-toned from yourself and you are running terrified of being accused of no-need-to-specify-what.

Stinking little hypocrite right back to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 12:03 PM

"Jim, for tying self up in such mental knots"
Until you have dealt with the points I raised your case is a despicably dishonest one and your accusation is no more than a cowardly slander.
Only those who have no honest response take such a stance as yours.
Are we to assume that Einstein and those Jews who signed his letter are all Anti--Semites?
Look at the date - they were was far nearer the holocaust that we are and far more qualified to make such a comparison.
Are we to assume that one of the six ex-directors of Mossad, who compared the actions of the Israeli Government is an Anti-Semite?
How about other Jews who make the same comparisons, or describe Israel as an Apartheid or a fascist state - Anti Semitic
You are doing no mare than replacing argument with slur
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 11:29 AM

Would that get the European committee that also measures the bendy aspects of bananas for conformity?

If you are so cosmopolitan and inclusive when citing a European committee, why so racist, xenophobic and pathetic when talking about fellow British citizens who happen to point their prayer mats in a south easterly direction?

Nasty little hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 10:55 AM

My points are made, with authenticated references given. I stick to the declaration cited in evidence. If you don't like its conclusions, then take it up with the European appointed committee whose report I have cited, according to which you are indeed being antisemitic. My conclusion stands. And it certainly doesn't, except by the most grotesque mental contortions, in any way involve "blaming the Jews" for anything whatever. Surprised at you, Jim, for tying self up in such mental knots -- or, on 2nd thoughts, perhaps not so surprised at that. You have form for being the worst, most ungracious, argument-loser in the entire History Of The Universe.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 10:42 AM

Give up, Michael. I don't use the words that Jim sometimes uses to describe atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli regime, but those words do not remotely amount to antisemitism and Jim (though he shouldn't have had to) has made his position perfectly clear. Your antisemitism antennae have been rather too finely tuned by your apparently Islamophobic side.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 08:02 AM

"I have responded to that on the other thread."
You have made your accusation here.
"But how saying that constitutes in any way...."
Describing criticism of Israli behaviour as Antisemitic, is to imply that the behaviour being criticised is in any way Jewish.
I have specified examples of behaviour I believe comparable to that of the Nazis
I am certainly not alone in making that comparison
SOME JEWISH "ANTI-SEMITES"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:46 AM

"In order for me, or anybody, to be an Anti-Semite, I would have to take your stance and blame the Jews, as you are doing."
.,,.

Can't honestly make heads or tails of what you meant here, Jim. I do blame the Israelis for many things, and greatly regret the way this entity I worked so long & hard to establish has turned out such a grave disappointment in so countless many ways. But how saying that constitutes in any way "blam[ing] the Jews" for anything or in any context, I really cannot make out.

Could you clarify what you mean here, please Jim ~~ with perhaps some examples from any posts of mine of what you claim to be on about?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:42 AM

...cleans a big, big, carpet.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:40 AM

I have responded to that on the other thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:34 AM

"This man was J Carroll"
My response from the other thread
One of the most distressing features of what is happening in Israel today, is that Israel's supporters use the dead of the holocaust to defend atrocities - they would be turning in their grave if they had been given the dignity of funerals
You have consistently ignored the fact the in the film 'The Gatekeepers', it was an ex -head of Israel' own security service who compared the behaviour of today' Israeli regime with that of the Nazis - a thoughtful omission on your part.
Suggestions that Israel has become an Apartheid state have come from both inside and outside Israel
Jim Carroll

" It can be checked on Wikipedia."
Wikipedia is made up of opinions, not researched facts - nothing they put up can be regarded as a definition unless it is backed up by researched facts.
It is my opinion, and that of many others, that Israel's behaviour is in many instances reminiscent of that of the Nazis, in particular their dehumanisation of the Palestinian people (as deplored by you) and their facilitating the Sabra/Shatila massacre (as deplored by just about everybody).
I consider it deeply Antisemitic to attribute such actions to 'The Jews'- do you think they were Jewish actions or those of the regime you have criticised (sort of) yourself?
In order for me, or anybody, to be an Anti-Semite, I would have to take your stance and blame the Jews, as you are doing.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:37 AM

1000 posts and still thick as pigshit.

So much for education.

I suppose fighting against Christian people committing atrocities being mentioned on this thread keeps it to the original post. Finding a link between British Muslims and terrorists.

Have any of you any shame whatsoever?




Thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:02 AM

A campaign which turned hysterical was waged against me by an individual, 30 May 0725pm, 31 May 0749pm, 01Jun 0630, et al; on the grounds that

"the problem is that you called a perfectly reasonable (though admittedly passionate) man antisemitic, without the merest hint of justification."

This man was J Carroll. May I draw the attention of this individual to the latest post by Mr Carroll on the "Small hope for Israel/Palestine" thread, and my subsequent replies to it, in which this question is specifically addressed, as to the the grounds for my having called him so, which I maintain I have there fully justified.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 04:23 AM

The mods have already had to combine threads on the Irish babies issue, so let's not hijack this thread with it too.

(Unless anyone wants to discuss the treatment of unwed mothers by Islamic radicals?)

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:24 AM

We don't know any of the details regarding the Irish remains, so theories are not very helpful at present.

Don't forget it's only a few years since UK hospitals disposed of stillborn babies in ways that were quite immoral.
Kept them in jars I believe, or disposed of them without the permission of the mothers.

I n saying that, the Catholic Church does have questions to answer, both over the sexual abuse of boys and young men by adult men and their historic attitude to unmarried mothers and their children.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:06 AM

"Those who did that did not plead the injunctions of their holy writ for so doing."
Virtually all of them in those horrific institutions claimed to be doing "God's work".
Two Magdalene nuns who were interviewed on Irish radio last year and referred to the girls under their care as "sinners" and "sweepings from the street" used those exact words, as have many of the abusive priests.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:07 AM

Don't worry Michael. Nurse will have noted on your care plan who you are ignoring this week. Now just get a chair near a window and keep a lookout for those nasty Muslims.

In reply to his naive crassness above, the nuns were to believe the babies were sub human through their catholic beliefs. They ran their slave camp to make money for their church and the church supplied them their moral justification.

I believe the term is Christianist.

Poo Bad. I hope you wore your name badge. When I visit in patient facilities, especially at the forensic end of the market, it's often difficult to tell the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 08:55 PM

Canada looking at how to stop the radicalization
of young Canadian Muslims who are joining foreign jihadi groups abroad:

"A prominent Calgary imam, Sayed Soharwardy, told CBC News he strongly believes that increased radicalization of young local men is happening at a "faster pace now" than a decade ago. He wonders why more potential jihadis have not been stopped at airports before even stepping foot on a battlefield.

"I am convinced that the intelligence people know who is recruiting, who is going overseas, who is fighting there," the cleric said. "If they do not know every one of them, they know some of them."

A major question is who is influencing these young men, and leading them toward becoming suicide bombers such as Salman Ashrafi, who killed at least 46 people in a 2013 Iraq suicide attack.

The attack was carried out on behalf of the extremist group ISIS (the Islamic State of Iraq in Syria), a group so violent it has even been condemned by Al-Qaeda."

CBC News

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 07:35 PM

Cor, how bloody revealing, minnow.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 07:12 PM

My job was to interact with the patients and to report on my interactions at the daily nursing report sessions.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 07:01 PM

What exactly did ya DO on that ward, Boo?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:25 PM

According to Musket everyone is in need of a shrink himself excepted.....I heard a lot of that when I worked on a psychiatric ward.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:21 PM

Oh bugger ~~ just noticed whom I was extracting from & replying to there: one with whom I am not engaging for Jane Austen reasons ["not deserving the compliment of rational opposition"].

Still, I suppose that needn't invalidate the point made.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:18 PM

"There is no such thing as Islamic terrorism any more than my Catholic neighbour threw dead babies in a cesspit in Ireland"
.,,..

Those who did that did not plead the injunctions of their holy writ for so doing.

Islamist terrorists, OTOH...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 04:58 PM

You sad man.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 04:12 PM

Twice now I have posted in reply to Keith. Twice I have checked that it appeared and twice it has gone missing since.

I repeat, verbatim. Keith A of Hertford said a while back that such a term is Islamist terrorism not Islamic terrorism.

There is no such thing as Islamic terrorism any more than my Catholic neighbour threw dead babies in a cesspit in Ireland.

Please don't delete it this time. If you have a hang up about Muslims, see your shrink as a hear you call them over there. Don't abuse your editing rights based on your views. If your views coincide with Keith's pick a good shrink with lots of certificates.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 03:54 PM

"Jihad in Kenya". Another great bobad-minnow link. Just a link, as ever. No comment, no context, no sense, no brain, no click from me. Lazy git.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 09:19 AM

I will continue to ignore you here then Jim.

Musket Islamic terrorism is terrorism inspired by extreme versions of Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 08:58 AM

There seems to be some effort to separate Israel's war crimes from those of Muslim extremists, therefore making this an out-of-context attack on a single religion rather than a matter of the threat all religions carry.
I will reply to what is put up on the Israel thread and carry over what I believe to be relevant here – censorship be damned.
"Israel is an invisibly tiny sliver of land with no natural resources." (Keith – who else?)
Israel is a wealthy state with world wide political and financial support, including, up to now, that of the United States.
It is a nuclear power, so its terrorist behaviour is a world-wide threat not just a Middle Eastern one.
China is guilty of atrocities against its own people - it is a friend and business party of 'the democratic world' including, and especially Britain.
America had been guilty of War and crimes - everybody trades with America.
Britain traded with Syria, despite over a decade of human rights abuses
After the Arab Spring protests began Britain continued to trade with Syrian even to the extent of weapons and riot control equipment and later, chemicals that could be used in weapon manufacture.
Briatn was selling arms to Gadaffi and supplying arms to the rebels
Weeks after the outbreak of Arab Spring, David Cameron hosted a massive arms fair aimed at several extremist states, including Bahrain.
Business is business - your alibi for Israel is blown.
I will continue to post my views on the other site and will not be censored by either of you blue-pencil pratts
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 08:45 AM

Jihad in Kenya

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 07:50 AM

So explain what Islamic terror is then, if you reckon they got nothing wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:38 AM

BBC got nothing wrong, but they omitted the detail making it relevant to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 06:32 AM

The BBC got something wrong?

You repeated it knowing it to be wrong?

The country must be going to the dogs.......

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 03:50 AM

Wrong thread Jim.
Musket, it was BBC who chose not to specify the type of extremism.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 03:09 AM

The guest above was me. I forgot to do it. My phone won't accept cookies because of some security stuff over an exchange account I have on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 02:41 AM

Are we going to learn how Governments who don't do business with countries who carry out massive human rights abuses has "warm, friendly relations" with the perpetrators of the Tianenmen Square massacre Keith ("China and Britain enjoy a friendly, cooperative, and close relationship")
Guess not.
Seems to have blown your case for Israel right out of the water, as all you are left with is their saying "we didn't do it guv".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 02:18 AM

How did the police manage to put Islamic in brackets Keith? Did you slip the word in or are you saying the police don't differentiate between Islamic and Islamist?

Did they report on the number of Christian burglaries too?

Or are you reverting to your old trick of disingenuous posting? You know, like when you posted an apology to yourself in the name of another person?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 02:30 PM

Three items just from today's BBC news page UK.

"Prime Minister David Cameron asks for a full account of the dispute between the home secretary and education secretary over allegations of (Islamic)extremism in schools."

"A (Islamic)terrorism trial could be heard entirely in secret for the first time in an English court.
Senior judges have been hearing that the Crown Prosecution Service wants the criminal case to be dealt with completely behind closed doors on grounds of national security"

"Two British men were arrested in Dover late on Tuesday night on suspicion of (Islamic)terror offences, police have said."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 02:04 PM

Back to the school yard Mike
I'll report you to Quelch..... yarrroooo. leggo you rotter.
Jim minor