BS: Church joins real world

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 08:23 AM

I'd make your fucking eyes water boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 05:39 AM

Musket: "Better to have one than exhibit oneself as one."

Don't you wish either was working?....Then you wouldn't have to compensate!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 03:07 AM

Better to have one than exhibit oneself as one.

This thread celebrates the fact that UK Anglican bishops no longer need one. (Or at least, not 24/7). Anything to contribute to the Synod resolution Goofus?

Prick

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 01:30 AM

musket: "Secondly I have a willy, a rather large one in fact, ...blah blah blah.."

What is this???? Two like-minded windbags are yakking about their dick size!...so I'll repeat what I posted to the other limp minded blowhard:

"It's not the size, but how you use it...assuming you know how to use it at all!..However, that being said, you sound like that person I mentioned in another thread...."like trying to stuff an oyster into a slot machine!" ....and the more limp it is, the more frantically braggadocios they are about it!.....like your whole rap!"

Are ya' happy now??..You've steered the thread and called attention to your dick!...or 'willy' across the pond, there!

GfS

P.S....talk about trying to steer a bias.....

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 12:57 AM

First off, I have a belly button. Secondly I have a willy, a rather large one in

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:36 PM

No it doesn't end unless you stop posting. I can't stop you posting gibberish, I can only attempt to stop you publishing incitement to hatred.

The moderators prefer for you to hang yourself by your own words. I am not in agreement with what was said to me in a pm about your posts, but I accept that you don't influence, you don't make an argument of merit and most people laugh off your bigotry as if it were an ironic parody.

Still, shouldn't mock the afflicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:23 PM

There endeth the gibberish.......if only.. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 01:58 PM

Yes, but two things pete.

I wasn't made in the image of God. First off, I have a belly button. Secondly I have a willy, a rather large one in fact, but I digress. Not that any of that is relevant because whilst one cannot prove God doesn't exist any more than one can prove it's turtles all the way, it is a fact that we have evolved over millions of years, so the image stuff is bollocks even if the rest of the bollocks isn't bollocks.

Yes, I judge others. If someone is a twat, it wouldn't be helpful to keep them blissfully unaware unless they weren't hurting others. I judge those who say that some pigs are more equal than others. I hope other sane people do too.

Tell you what. Here's proof that the bible doesn't say fuck all about morals. I have never read it and neither has my dog. We both exhibit altruism. I live by something not too dissimilar to the commandments that you know more about, yet I know they didn't exist as something given by a fairy story to a mythical man. They aren't too bad by the way, but how sad to think that without them we'd be shagging our neighbours' ox?

It is extreme arrogance to assume people need a crutch. Most people in The Uk are too sophisticated to actually be superstitious.

Love the traditions though. A wedding I was at a while ago was all Wesley hymns and lots of King James thee and thou. Keep to that formula and you might be onto something. The rock band and chants of love You Jesus! crap at a christening i was at though shows that without tradition, it is just self serving nonsense for the gullible.

There endeth the sermon.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 01:41 PM

fair comment, ed. I concede that politics and tradition filtered into it as well.

what a good person you present yourself as, musket. some things I would qualify, but in general, no argument with your list.
of course I would say that even atheists are made in the image of God and therefore still posses a sense of right and wrong. the bible refers to the heathen doing by instinct those things contained in the law and their consciences either accusing or excusing them. this was in context of contrast with the religious who know to do good but don't do it.
oh, and you dont even meet your own compass points entirely. you do tell others whats right and wrong, when you don one or another of your club hats

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 07:26 AM

Perhaps it takes a misogynist to think of a part of female anatomy when hearing the word "cunt" as a term of abuse?

Where did you learn the word "misogyny?" Are you at last taking on board peoples' opinion of your appalling posts?

I would extend the invitation to explain moral compasses, but perhaps wait for Akenaton to bugger off first. I doubt It'd make nice reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 03:54 AM

You certainly insult and denigrate all women by your use of the word c**t as a term of abuse.
Usually a sign of misogyny.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:49 AM

pete asks what my moral compass is and how do I know it hasn't gone south.

Well, lets's see now..

I don't oppress women. I don't see gay people as second class. I don't abuse children or vulnerable adults. I don't turn round to members of other clubs and say I'm right and you are wrong. I don't raise charitable funds for third world communities and spend it all on churches and mosques, leaving little or nothing for sanitation or irrigation. I don't rally to impose my superstition on others through Sunday trading laws. I don't claim charitable status for my club and then totally ignore The Charities Act requirements for equal access to my services. I don't let children die by persuading parents that prayer is stronger than scientific cure. I don't selfishly refuse to help top up blood banks for all. I don't hypocritically then accept blood on the quiet after persuading others not to. I don't promise young men a room full of virgins to rape if they commit terrorist acts. I don't use my club as an excuse for more temporal conflict and war.

I don't need an old man to tell me right from wrong.

I have a combination of experience and instinct. Just as any sociable species that requires to evolve a sense of altruism as per what Darwin and subsequent others discovered.


As this is post 101, we have somewhere to put Jesus...

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:14 AM

...AND.....100!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 02:13 AM

No, but you should be taking CoQ-10, to offset the side effects! I recommend Qunol Liquid Co-Q10..('Qunol'IS the correct spelling)It's better, because it absorbs better, and more goes to work...just in case you needed to know....
...then again, if you were just doing satire....take it anyway!

GfS

P.S. A 'guardian angel' is looking out for you!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 12:48 AM

My cardiologist has me taking Statins. Does that make me a "Statinist"?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:25 PM

mauvepink: ""We are women, we have double standards to live up to" primarily as a joke but also realsing sometimes that we do appear to have a double standard.
Thank you for giving me cause to smile :)"

'realising sometimes'?????..My God!!..A major breakthrough!!!!


"Thank you for giving me cause to smile :)"

Ditto!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 07:53 PM

""Debating statinists""

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 07:38 PM

Stu, why ya gotta be like that? Ok, they're obviously the reason the alien landlords are going to come back, and evict humanity before re-creating Earth as a Roachopolis... Roachtopia... whateverthehell.

Better?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:37 PM

Excuse my typos in the last link, I will try and do better:(

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:35 PM

the link, Pete, fod cobsideration 

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:04 PM

""those that voted against the motion, did I think, do so out of conviction of an understanding of the bible...""

Is that based on some evidence you have, Pete5*, or just an assumption? If you read the link I believe I provided early up, it mentioned some organized religious politics, not necessarily bible interpretation, as a significant factor. That would also be in line with Joe O's summation of how change occurs within churches.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 01:26 PM

seems to me, that tunesmith , taking just the first 3 lines of his post, understands the issue.
those that voted against the motion, did I think, do so out of conviction of an understanding of the bible, not from bigotry.

joe, glad you think we are reaching some sort of agreement, though a lot of the things you go on to discuss thereon will not be reaching agreement.
I note, too, that you bought the creation accounts into it. I am happy to discuss what I believe are the wrong things you were taught at seminary, but I reckon the thread will soon be closed if that takes off !.

so, musket, what is your "moral compass" and how can you know it hasn't gone south ? !.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 11:21 AM

"who are obviously Satanists"

They can't be - Satanists believe in God.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:20 AM

"Dearest mauvepink,.."GfS... not sure if you are suggesting I have a narrow mind or live in hoping ;)"

I'm only saying, 'Fairy tales can come true...they can happen to you...' It's up to you to decide what they are.....

OR to quote you (from a post a couple of years ago, which I love and have quoted you)..."What's the matter? You can't live up to your double standards?"

GfS

Got it! I think ;)

That's some memory you have there. I usually say "We are women, we have double standards to live up to" primarily as a joke but also realsing sometimes that we do appear to have a double standard.

Thank you for giving me cause to smile :)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:05 AM

A historic oddity:

""The British Monarch can now marry a Roman Catholic, but he or she cannot become one.In  recent years, someone in line for the throne could marry anyone, but not a Roman Catholic, and still retain his or her place in the line of succession. The person could marry a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Jew, a Zoroastrian and retain that place, but though you COULD marry a Catholic, doing so would result in loss of one's place in the line. A number of people in the extended royal family have lost their places in the succession as a result of marrying Catholics or converting to Catholicism. 

The law has changed. In future, heirs will be able to retain their places in the line even if they marry Catholics. However, since the monarch, and head of the British Commonwealth, must be "in communion" with the Church of England, an heir cannot convert to another faith without giving up his or her place in the line, and the children will have to be raised C of E, lest they be ineligible for the throne. ""

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 09:47 AM

Surely, there is no equality in religion?
God is the boss and tells us how it should be!
And, if he has indicated that women shouldn't be given certain rolls then that is that!
Of course, my position is that the whole religion thing is ridiculous: a primitive fantasy!
And, as stated previously, getting upset about one's rights in a fantasy is...well..ridiculous!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 09:38 AM

If it were a club, I'd agree Tunesmith, but the Bishop vote was more than that, because in The UK, Bishops have the right to sit in the upper house, scrutinising government legislation, (Lords Spiritual.)

If we are serious about equality of all in this country, it's a bit of a bugger when we can't get it right at the very top of decision making....

I have no problem at club level. It's when, as they do, they wish to influence society that their hypocrisy makes them irrelevant. I actually like the idea of people thinking of moral philosophy and giving that angle to debate. It can enrich decision making. But when the moral element is based on bigotry, we have no moral compass decent people can listen to.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 08:30 AM

These discussions are daft!
We might as well be talking about the lack of sexual equality with Santa Clause only having male helpers!
What does it matter if women aren't allowed to hold office in organisations that is based on an ancient fantasy!
But, of course, if you buy into the fantasy, then you have to be guided by what that fantasy decrees to be God's will!
And, the craziness continues!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 12:48 AM

Dearest mauvepink,.."GfS... not sure if you are suggesting I have a narrow mind or live in hoping ;)"

I'm only saying, 'Fairy tales can come true...they can happen to you...' It's up to you to decide what they are.....

OR to quote you (from a post a couple of years ago, which I love and have quoted you)..."What's the matter? You can't live up to your double standards?"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 08:50 PM

Thanks, Joe.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 08:35 PM

Hi, Jeri -
Musket was responding to a previous message where I addressed him. But Musket, I DID read what you said. I, too, would like the churches to bless gay marriage. But many of them would destroy their fragile unity if they did so, so they have to delay until they achieve consensus. You see it as appeasing bigotry. I see it as accepting the reality that many church members are not ready to accept and bless homosexual marriages. My thought is that if we wait and nudge gently, those people will come along eventually, and we will achieve consensus without destroying unity.

Several Episcopalian dioceses in the United States have seceded from the church because of their reluctance to accept ordination of homosexuals, and so the church is in a nasty state of schism. In those dioceses that seceded, the whole right-wing agenda has become dominant, and there is little room left for progressives. The American Methodists are also on the brink of schism, although it looks like they're working out a fairly nice compromise. And Patsy, when Anglicans flee to the Roman church, they add to the power of ultraconservative forces that are making it very uncomfortable for us progressive Catholics.

So, it's not a simple matter of simply saying that gay marriage and ordination of gays and women is the right thing no matter what. Churches exist in a delicate balance, and rapid change can polarize and destroy what once was a viable unity. Gays will NEVER be able to marry or be ordained in the U.S. Anglican dioceses that have seceded from the Episcopal Church.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 07:48 PM

GfS... not sure if you are suggesting I have a narrow mind or live in hoping ;)

Great song no matter what :)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 07:06 PM

Et T: "It is interesting, gfs, how some (so called) religious folk and organizations (Christian and otherwise), seem to act as if they have been somehow chosen to speak for "God", and put their specific spin on his/her words (or, what was intended to be said). Recommending a lifestyle is one thing-saying that God wanted it that way, (based on their personal interpretation), is another. As if to admit that God was not clever or thoughtful enough to say what He/She intended? (I use He/She, as I suspect a God would be above discrimination based on sex-my speculation, only)."


Ever played a REALLY, REALLY soulful piece, with great emotional dynamics?.......Where do that come from?


mauvepink: "OMG! That could make a gay girl wish she was straight lol
However, as its not so I will remain on my side of the fence lol"

That could make a gay girl wish she was straight

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:47 PM

Welcomevto Mudcat BS religious discussion, Jeri...new around here?:)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:47 PM

The only important part of the real world that the Church has joined is about the issue regarding the terminally ill and the right to end their suffering. This is more to do with what real people are having to deal with in their lives and at least being discussed in a more sensitive way. I am not making an opinion whether it should be or not everyone's experience in that situation. As for agonising over the ordination of female bishops to me personally it is just an ongoing waste of time. In a fair modern world I would have thought it would have changed by now as it did having women in the Fire brigade but then I don't attend church that often so it really makes no difference to me. If I really felt opposed to it as a regular attendee I would change faith convert to Catholicism and that would be that.

Talking of real worlds I note that Pope Frances has given the ok on Exorcisms. At first I did wonder about this having seen the film but I think I can see where he is coming from, if people need this and can only benefit by having this way of treating the mind directly it could prevent people rushing off to the GP for anti-depressants/medication or would this do more damage? I would be interested to hear other opinions about this however I can't imagine many female clergy volunteering for it somehow!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:15 PM

I'm trying to figure out who's talking to whom. So far, I got that Musket wishes somebody (Tunesmith?) would read what he wrote before replying to Joe. Joe was replying to Tunesmith, so I can't in good faith (haha) infer a comma between "answering" and "Joe".

Mostly, what I see in this thread is that some have practiced their arguments against people who believe certain things, and that if someone believes something else, there's an attempt to shove them into the box that practiced arguments will work. Not too obvious... well, yes, it is. Here I am an atheist, but thinking that Joe makes more sense than the opposite side of the argument, who are obviously Satanists.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 04:54 PM

I do wish you'd read what I put before answering Joe. Yes, I don't help by being occasionally flippant. But your assumption that I don't understand conflicts with my refusal to understand.

Church of England churches are barred by law from marrying gay couples. The clause in the law was to appease bigotry, ensuring (In theory) that no legal action can god taken when they refuse.

I totally refuse with every cell in my body to understand that. Understanding has a whiff of acceptance about it. No way.

Becoming a Bishop without your gender being a factor is positive though and although they have a long way to go before they respect the will of the people as expressed by parliament and common decency, I do wish to record that it was a difficult passage and took a long time. Hopefully, misogynists in the ranks, including other cults may wish to reflect on their decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 04:52 PM

Joe, I guess when you're in the middle of it, it's impossible to see how crazy it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 04:46 PM

Makes sense to me Joe O.

Most of us have own sense of giid beliefs - religious or other. Some feel comfort from the social aspects of organized religion. Others do not share that need- I fall in that non-social camp.

I rarely take issue with anyones beliefs, except where I see they intersect with individuals and society in a negative way.

I especially find Budhism interesting, (though I am not a follower) which brings in the good common social messages (gathered through history)nwith only loose connections to a "kinda" deity.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 04:27 PM

Tunesmith, can it be that you are only capable of understanding things in absolutely literal terms? The Bible was written by a people who believed they lived in a relationship with God, and they were deeply inspired by that relationship. The Bible is their account of that relationship and it embodies that relationship and the message they heard through that relationship, warts and all. It is a most sacred writing that conveys the essence and reality of the relationship between a people and their God.

I don't believe God dictated the Bible to the writers. I do believe that the writers of the Bible and most ancient sacred writings (Koran, Baghdad Vita, Native American myths, Book of Mormon) were inspired by God. Since I come from the Christian tradition, it is the Bible that I hold most sacred; and for me, it is the Word of God. I also feel bound to respect and seek wisdom in the sacred writings of all religious traditions.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 04:05 PM

Joe, so the Bible is not the word of God?
And you feel that's it's fine for clerics to "bring it up-to-date"?
It's all a crazy - and very dangerous - fantasy!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 03:18 PM

Hi, Pete - I think we're close to agreement. I'm sure there are important and fundamental differences in the way we see things, but I think we can disagree and still respect each other. I think that the morals of most religious groups, are an attempt to reflect the best conduct, the ideal - not just the prevailing norms or minimum standards. The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) were written over a period of about a thousand years. Over that time, one can trace the development of the beliefs and practices of the Hebrew people - that's why you find so many contradictions in the Bible, and why most modern believers ignore prohibitions against pork and shellfish and a number of other things.

I really can't believe that the writers intended the Scriptures to be understood literally, or that the moral codes of ancient creeds were intended to be unchanging. There are too many problems and discrepancies in the Bible - and, for that matter, in the ancient sacred writings of many religious groups. The first two chapters of Genesis tell two very different creation stories, and both stories are written in poetic, non-scientific language. The same is true for the "infancy narratives" in Matthew and Luke that tell the story of the birth of Jesus - conflicting stories written in poetic language. These accounts are meant to convey a higher meaning and a sense of wonder and sacredness - they are not intended to be historic or scientific accounts.

And I think that's the purpose of religious belief - to seek a higher meaning and to preserve and celebrate a sense of sacredness. Part of that would to be to explore the questions of the origins and meaning of life, and to explore the question of how best to live life - morality. In her History of God and other works, Karen Armstrong says that most of the great religions developed in about 700 BC (they had many offshoots over the centuries, of course - but religions like Islam and Christianity have their roots in earlier sources). All had some sort of creation myth, and all were built on some sort of understanding of the Golden Rule (do unto others...). And at least in their beginnings, all religions that have stood the test of time, have been primarily benign and altruistic in their fundamental beliefs (granting the fact that there have been some horrible aberrations over the course of history).

Armstrong's thinking is very easy for me to accept. I see most people as good, and I see life and this world as basically good - although I encounter and acknowledge many bad things in life, too. I accept the reality of evil, but I continue to believe in good. I see and reverence wisdom in the ancient and still-living creeds of many different peoples. The only things I cannot tolerate, are hatred and intolerance.

I acknowledge that my philosophy of life may be hopelessly idealistic and optimistic, but it has served me well for 65 years. I see value in more cynical approaches and I look for the wisdom in those who take a cynical position, but I find their approach as unnecessarily negative. It's hard to get much accomplished in life, when most of what you see is negative.

---

Musket can't understand why a church can host a Sikh wedding, but not a gay marriage. Hosting a wedding implies that the host approves of the wedding - not merely toleration, but outright approval. The churches are coming out of a period where homosexuality met with near-universal disapproval, and the churches have many members who still vehemently oppose gay marriage. Most of them will come around, but they aren't there yet. So, the churches have to deal with the reality that a significant number of their members don't approve of gay marriage - and hosting gay marriages in those churches will bring about discord and demonstrations. Churches generally see marriage as sacred, and discord and demonstrations certainly detract from the sacredness of a wedding. And such disagreements can polarize and destroy a congregation that seeks to have people worship together in harmony. So, churches very often wait until they have a shared consensus on an issue before changing a tradition. A simple majority doesn't work in some matters.

Now that answer won't satisfy those who expect everything to be right, and right now. I don't think churches (and most other organizations) work very well that way. For organization to work well, the consensus of the members must be near-unanimous. If the organization cannot achieve consensus, then the issue must be set aside until consensus is attained. Many churches no longer have a consensus that supports the condemnation of homosexuality, so you'll notice that more and more churches have softened their language on the issue or that they quietly ignore the issue. They'll come around. And some churches, like the Unitarians, are at a point where they can freely accept gay marriage - and they do.


-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 12:52 PM

bill - I thought I was making comments that followed from previous posts, but I guess we can agree to differ on that.
joe, maybe we are not understanding each other. I was thinking that you meant that the text merely followed the prevailing norms, whereas I believe God calls his people to a higher standard.
of course, that might not make sense to those of the prevailing culture....."the foolishness [as supposed] of God is wiser than the wisdom of men...."
ed,- re your comment to me - positions clarified, thankyou.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 11:54 AM

OMG! That could make a gay girl wish she was straight lol

However, as its not so I will remain on my side of the fence lol

Naughty musket! ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 11:49 AM

I don't know about chocolate but I feel ashamed of accidentally leaving out Sheffield Wednesday.

Now there's a real religion.....

Anyway, if what I hear is true, chocolate is proof god loves women in particular.

True story - My mother in Law, straight laced, church going, retired classics teacher and scholar was staying with us and we were watching QI on the telly. Stephen Fry told a joke and whilst I was trying to stifle a laugh for fear of embarrassment, she laughed till tears appeared.

The joke?

If God was a woman, sperm would taste of chocolate...

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 11:36 AM

Why shame on you Musket...

Why have God when you can have beer, pork scratchings, pickled eggs and sex? It seems greedy to ask for more.

How could leave out CHOCOLATE??? THE most important proof that God loves us! ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 11:31 AM

Quoted by Akenaton MP...
"I have seen misogyny committed by some women. When men hate women its horrid. When women do it sure seems far worse.

There were women who voted against women being able to be Bishops, the minds of which I fail to understand."....?

Separated by the paragraph gap and two entirely separate comments. STILL no mention of being mentally deranged or any defamation.

That I remain puzzled condemns no-one elses opinion or choice. I simply disagree with voting against but in no way implied that was an act of misogyny by the females that did it.

The fact remains that, to me, misogyny from anyone is bad but always appears worse from women. As with bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 09:15 AM

Err.. Goofus.. God commanded what people said he commanded. Putting God's commands before the reaction of people is putting the cart before the donkey.

I don't love him above all things any more than I love any other creative figment of fertile imagination, and as we find over the last hundred years, as people become better educated and more sophisticated, it isn't interpretation that alters but the whole idea of a controlling crutch.

Why have God when you can have beer, pork scratchings, pickled eggs and sex? It seems greedy to ask for more.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 09:04 AM

It is interesting, gfs, how some (so called) religious folk and organizations (Christian and otherwise), seem to act as if they have been somehow chosen to speak for "God", and put their specific spin on his/her words (or, what was intended to be said). Recommending a lifestyle is one thing-saying that God wanted it that way, (based on their personal interpretation), is another. As if to admit that God was not clever or thoughtful enough to say what He/She intended? (I use He/She, as I suspect a God would be above discrimination based on sex-my speculation, only).

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 08:41 AM

Tunesmith: "Look, if God has said that women can't be priests ....."

Guess what?..God didn't say that even men could be priests...that was something that men made up in the first place...but then, "In the beginning God created man in his own image...and ever since man has been trying to return the favor!"

Musket: "I have a theory.
Religion started once we evolved enough to realise that we are going to die and weren't sure what that meant in terms of what happens next."

I have, not a theory, but an obvious fact...Religion started because man wanted to get around what God commanded..and that is we should love Him above all THINGS, and love one another as ourselves....religion was just a way to get around that!...and control other people.
...sorta like politics...but that is another story, but VERY similar!

GfS