Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 May 15 - 08:40 PM

Sorry but I've got petition fatigue: I get sent at least a dozen every week . I can't support them all. If you feel really strongly about something there are other ways of protesting. Lobby your MP or local councillor. No doubt Rolf was a great musician and entertainer, whatever else he is alleged or proven to have done.

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 15 - 08:01 PM

Belatedly, I should like to offer a qualified defence of Caravaggio. He was never convicted of murder and the circumstances of the incident in which he allegedly killed a young man are, at best, murky. In fact, it seems he was about to receive a Papal pardon when he was killed in mysterious circumstances. I will certainly speak ill of the dead, but I have to be sure that they did something wrong first.

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 May 15 - 06:26 PM

Seems to me that every idiot who had anything stupid to say about Rolf Harris, on every side of the issue, has said what they have to say in the last thirty-seven threads. And it seems that our very own Queen of Misinformation (no names mentioned) has posted the same link to the same petition at least eleventy-seven times.

Unless you have some new, documented information to share with us, let's drop this thread and let the Queen of Misinformation wallow on her own here.

She craves attention. Don't give her any.


-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 28 May 15 - 06:22 PM

Come on, at best this petition does not belong in the main threads here.

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 May 15 - 06:00 PM

I havent said you are or have been abusing anyone.
I am asking that   posters do not abuse the OP, trying to appeal to the better side of people not to, as has happened so many times in the past.

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 15 - 05:22 PM

Hey Pete & Soldier- we been thru this ridiculous nonsense at least twice and maybe three times before. Enough, already - let it die. Its long overdue.

What makes you think I'm abusing the poster and not the idiotic thread?

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 May 15 - 04:55 PM

GUILT - as convicted.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle





The documents ... have been established and reviewed .... what in the good Lord's creation ... make you believe that simple web-folk ... would, could, SHOULD, over-turn a VERY thorough investigation of the facts?

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 28 May 15 - 03:46 PM

you just cant conTROLL some people !
lizzie, the details certainly sound as though this was a dodgy conviction, but i'm sorry that I don't feel confidant enough about it to sign. but respect to you, and a hope that if it was yet another bad verdict ,that it will be overturned.

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 May 15 - 02:29 PM

would it be possible to not throw abuse at the starter of this thread,

Subject: RE: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 15 - 02:25 PM

Oh No! Its Aliiiivvve! Talk about The Living Dead.....

Subject: Petition for Rolf Harris (musician!)
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 May 15 - 02:15 PM

Petition to sign and share

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Claire M
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 07:33 AM

Hiya!! I prefer Sun Arise. If I need cheering up Rolf does the trick. If you want me to relax a faux Australian twang works well, so I get his catchphrase said to me.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 05:57 AM

Not sure we do so think, actually, Joe. Caravaggio, eg, was a murderer; had to flee justice. But His Supper in the House at Emmaeus is one of the greatest paintings in the National Gallery in London. I mention this particular painting as I have spent, literally, hours of my life gazing at it. But his oeuvre is prominent in many other places also; notably Santa Maria del Popolo in Rome.

But a death warrant was issued against him by the Pope himself, he had such a terrible rackety record.

Not that Mr Harris was as great as that; but his works continue to be, and they are same works as they were before. As you say, we just have to rise to the challenge of sorting the moral aspects of these apparent contradictions out.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Sep 14 - 05:11 AM

I don't know what to think of the fact that Rolf Harris was convicted of crimes against children. I tend to trust the judicial process, so I tend to think the allegations proved in court, were truthful.

So, then, how to respond? I have to say that Rolf Harris made a remarkable contribution to music, and it would be a shame to deny that.

I will continue to sing Tie Me Kangaroo Down and Court of King Caractacus for the rest of my life.

This is one of those contradictions of life that is difficult to deal with. We tend to think that somebody that has done a terrible thing, cannot possibly do anything of value. But that just isn't true. Nonetheless, it's a challenge for us to sort this all out.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Sep 14 - 10:17 PM

Blimey. Another nutter and conspiracy fantasist!

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Alexander Baron
Date: 09 Sep 14 - 06:52 PM

Yes you can have it in writing; you will find a link to the transcript on said page, this one:

http://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/djetc/rolf-harris-video.html

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Claire M
Date: 09 Sep 14 - 09:37 AM

Hiya!! Thanxxx for HUGE archive !! Ahhh…. Could listen to Rolf speak all day. Re getting steamed up; when you like someone, when they light you up inside, whether you know them in real life/not, you don't want to believe they've done *anything* untoward; you just can't.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Sep 14 - 07:00 PM

I don't watch videos. Can we have that in writing please?

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Alexander Baron
Date: 08 Sep 14 - 04:08 PM

This is my first and final word on Rolf Harris:

https://archive.org/details/RolfHarrisAndYou

it covers all the angles.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:41 PM

Hiya! It doesn't cancel out the good points; the fact he had me nearly crying w/ laughter. I happened to mention the tv had gone green in my flat, bringing back memories of a small Claire M watching him singing -- very badly --- in his quivery voice w/ this green face. Even thinking of said songs makes me laugh. I am 31 y/o now & I imagine they always will.

I thought his voice was quite sexy (accent/speaking voice)

@ his age, he's not likely to get out, but he's probably safer inside anyway. If he is in fact innocent, what good would getting out do him when he's been branded a nonce ??

Aah, Rolfy! I just want to squeeze him & kiss him on his nose!!

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Cs
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:08 PM

Jack we're watching falling skies now. Enjoying the visualisation of aliens and craft they've got a great team working on the more conceptual side. Pity the dialogue and acting is so poor, the only character I can get behind is 'baddie' Pope the rest are such nobheads, especially the heroes like 'perfect dad' and 'old army man.' Can't do supernatural the brothers are too dull but Grimm is fun though I wish they'd kill off that wet blanket gf and write in someone a bit less winsome.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:06 PM

...but it would be interesting to know the source of her misgivings.

Problem solved. Liz conjured them up in her own head. She rarely if ever lets facts get in the way of her crusades.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Andrez
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:06 AM

Hey andrew e, I've got a few mates in Kununurra, I'll check 'em out and see if there's any local goss about the missing plaque.

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:59 AM

well if it is a miscarriage of justice. its a monstrous one. I can understand Lizzie getting steamed up.

I don't know anything about the case. I get the feeling Lizzie has not explained herself very well. so it just sounds like ranting.

but it would be interesting to know the source of her misgivings. a sincere answer - not just a repetition of there's not much evidence...that is impossible for us to assess - not having been in the courtroom.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:14 AM

Yeah, but at least she left us with a thread where we can debate something or other.

Now that Harris is behind bars with other criminals, not much point in debating him, he's history, and tainted history at that.

Far better to discuss merit of lowest common denominator TV shows. You don't have to feel sad about his victims whilst typing.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:59 AM

I note that this thread has now strayed way off topic and there's no sign of Lizzie. Presumably she will start yet another 'Rolf Harris is innocent'thread in the near future (?)

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:25 AM

I recently dumped Sky and went for BT. As well as the slightly better fibre broadband deal, it also occurred to me that I only ever watched a handful of channels. In fact, the only things we watch live are football, cricket and GP. Anything else ( sadly including many cookery and property buying programmes, addicted to Grand Designs) would be recorded or as of now, watched on Catch up.

I decided to buy the entertainment channels. Their advertising was 100% American series sit coms and soaps. Presumably they use my purchase as evidence that is what people want but the truth is, I only got it to be able to carry on watching Wheeler Dealers on Discovery. Dave channel is free on either platform...

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:04 AM

Yep, they still have the wigs, Jeri. Barristers have them too (dunno what your equivalent is of a Barrister - Attorney?). I guess it's a traditional symbol of authority and impartiality, and you know how we Brits love our traditions!

You're probably right about not being amongst a bunch of USians discussing TV - not many USians here in England, and my last spell in Houston TX was back in 2007 so I tend to only mix with my own kind nowadays!

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: andrew e
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 11:40 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-30/wa-council-votes-to-keep-stolen-rolf-harris-plaque/5634478

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 05:58 PM

We excel in one thing TV-wise you Brits can't come close to: stupid. I'm not sure we're that far ahead with politics, but we're not far behind, at least. We have some really great TV shows, and a big steaming pile of stupid ones. I think "reality" got big here because of a writers' strike, and un-scripted show mean they don't have to pay writers.

As for forgiving celebrity paedos/rapists/gropers, I can't recall we do that much of it in the US. Those found guilty of drug & alcohol-related crimes are allowed to find redemption, and crimes such as tax evasion have a shorter shelf-life than others and be "forgotten". Sex abuse crimes, as far as I can think of/remember, pretty much mean the person's career is shot. They're supposed to be on a pedestal, and how can you be on one while your public can't see you as even on their level?

Backwoodsman, NO GAVEL!? Your judges still have those powdered wigs, right?
Also, I don't know that, when it comes to the shittiness of US television shows, you haven't been listening. I think it's more likely you haven't been amidst USians discussing the state of TV shows. There's a great deal of ridicule aimed at stupid shows, even amongst fans of those shows.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:49 PM

You have named a few programs, many of them developed by cable networks or movie channel companies. If you look at "prime time" in any given evening most of what is there is awful. I like mysteries, but there are so many look-alike police and coroner procedurals on now you trip over them at every turn.

"Reality" programs, game shows, judge shows, daytime talk shows, most of this is trash.

SRS

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:29 PM

The original (British) House of Cards (Ian Richardson as Urqhart, Susannah Harker as Mattie) was wonderful though!

Kitty

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:22 PM

.. and not forgetting the gratuitously brutal and luridly gritty crime drama "Banshee"
- not for over sensitive viewers - but a blast to watch
for any discerning fans of hardcore macho shoot 'em / beat 'em up tripe.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:51 PM

The only TV I watch in the daytime is cricket.
My wife watches Walking Dead, Game of Thrones et al, but they do nowt for me.
I guess I'm just a miserable, boring old fart! :-)

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:45 PM

.. and "Hell on Wheels" - terrific entertainment; grown up Western series.

.. "The Walking Dead" - consistently fine quality, gripping adult drama of relationships, situations, and moral choices;
way beyond the conventional zombie horror genre confines.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:32 PM

Yay! US TV! Choice weird : Falling Skies, Continuum, Grimm, even Supernatural! Enjoying The 100 too, and loved Fargo.

My favourite ever : Curb Your Enthusiasm.

And Seinfeld's still the best sit-com ever.

UK TV? Not much that's bothering me recently.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:30 PM

Hiya!! As is most of UK tv --- you've got Game of Thrones. GoT is not shite.

I *love* 'Sun Arise', it just simply cheers me up. Wouldn't
have minded Rolfy (aaahh) doing my portrait either. I was a bit of an odd child. I drew all the time. I used to imagine he would give me advice, in his lovely accent & my pix might start flashing & sparking before coming to life. I wouldn't've been able to cope w/ too much of him…….
I had a teacher who'd say his catchphrase when she drew diagrams. I wanted to adopt every dog/cat I saw on his animal programme. I even wanted a kangaroo as a pet, so I could sit in his pouch. Open mouth, insert foot.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:10 PM

Backwoodsman you haven't been watching the right US TV programmes. UK TV gets US TV shite during the afternoon.

The best way to watch great US TV is to nab stuff online. Check out: Breaking Bad, True Detective, Game of Thrones, True Blood, The Shield, The Sopranos, The Wire, The Vikings, Hemlock Grove, House of Cards, Mad Men -- to name a few. Good US TV is great TV. Just ask the Grauniad if you don't believe me.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:50 PM

You haven't been listening then. The complaint has been steady for years - but in a quiet and orderly fashion. :)

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:05 PM

We've been saying for years over here that US TV programmes are, generally, low-grade shite, but that's the first time I've seen that fact acknowledged by a USA-ian!

There's hope for you yet, SRS! :-)

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:34 PM

Alas, the U.S. specializes in Lowest Common Denominator programming. Hence the rise of so many people who are famous for being famous - and for nothing more. At least someone here in Public Broadcasting has the good sense to import some of the UK television programming.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:30 PM

In my case, me willy drives me nuts.




Ditto iPad issue though. I turned it off. Snag is, that just reveals how my sausage fingers struggle with the keyboard...

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:03 AM

And apologies for the inappropriate apostrophe in my post above - f***ing predictive text on my iPad drives me nuts!

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:00 AM

Funny you should mention that, Michael - The Grauniad's got it's nether-garments bunched over it, too....... UK Judges and inappropriate gavels in TV programmes

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:51 AM

It'd be interesting to see how different this might all be if the celebrity paedo/rapist/groper scandal hysteria
were happpening in Ameria.

Seems in the USA any famous personality, no matter how heinous their crimes,
can eventually be accepted back with open arms on TV, even given a new reality series;
as long as they publicly show contrition and thank the Lord for being saved ???
The yanks are suckers for a good redemption story.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:43 AM

Backwoodsman -- But one of the things that always drive me apeshit is that they always give judges gavels in court scenes on tv. Must mix them up with auctioneers or something. Ignorant sods!

~M~

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:30 AM

It'd have been good to hear RH do some proper blues; p'raps something heavier, like
– this
All that funny breathing he did might have suited heavier stuff.

His voice really makes my colour run.

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:16 AM

Errrmmm......the Judges in the UK don't have a gavel, Jeri so, strictly speaking, it hasn't sounded. :-)

Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:13 AM

Hiya !! If we had the 1 topic, we could say if we'd have given him a floor spot/seen him live, songs we liked & disliked , other stuff, as well as whether/not we think he did it. To be honest I think that ship's sailed. I can't see a couple of paragraphs on a screen doing much good. It's probably safer inside. It won't stop me enjoying his work though. I don't see much point in blotting him out. I'll just close me door when I play him.
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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:49 PM

I might have said this before, but I knew two people who were convicted of child abuse. One of them, a bunch of people, myself included, thought was slimy, but I never thought he was abusing his daughter. The other one was loved and trusted by those who knew him. To this day, I don't think he could have abused the children in his day-care facility. The problems with me being right are:

I wasn't at the trial

I didn't hear the evidence

He was found guilty by people who were, and did, and unless I know everything that was said or presented as evidence, I don't have any business saying the jury was wrong.

LIKING somebody is not proof of their innocence, but proof of innocence is, even in the UK, not needed. It was up to the prosecution to prove his guilt, and apparently, they did just that. I think it's a bit silly to argue about this, especially considering the argument will have absolutely no effect on anything, or anyone, except maybe getting them upset. (Although that mat be one of the primary functions of the Internet: facilitating pointless pissed-off-ness.) Maybe more will be revealed as time goes by, but for now, I believe the gavel has sounded.