BS: Trump

Subject: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

A challenge to all American folkies.....

In light of one of your presidential candidates calling for increased and more intensive use of torture, why do you think as a country you have any right to participation on the world stage, and do you think you should be subjected to worldwide sanctions?

ps I know there are a lot of decent people in US, including several personal friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:13 PM

You have your share of crazy Fuckers also. He won't be elected but in a free society even crazy Fuckers can run for office. Doesn't mean they make it

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:23 PM

yeah, but our crazy f***ers have next to no chance of gaining any real power.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:28 PM

And it is worrying if the most powerful democracy can't be trusted with the most basic human rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:29 PM

Nor does trump. The polls are only Republican and most except nut cases even answer a poll taker

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:31 PM

Even if he won all the primary, the Republican commitee will disqualify him. They know he has no chance

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:03 AM

What olddude said. Anyone can *run* for a position- it does not mean that they will be elected. Just as anyone can be *nominated* for a Nobel prize; it doesn't mean that it will be awarded to that person. I imagine much the same thing holds in other countries.

That said, I do wish this country would rise up and yell at the Trump: You're FIRED.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:36 AM

Dude, Ebbie, the problem for us Brits is that the heavily-Right-Wing media over here is feeding us a daily diet of propaganda that The Ginger Tosser is very popular in the US, and that a large proportion of US-ians are prepared to vote for him.

Your Presidential election process is a mystery to many UK-ers, an apparently hugely-complicated circus that starts way too soon and goes on way too long, so I'm not surprised that there's a feeling here that he's The President-In-Waiting.

But I don't believe that the citizenry of US is taken in by him, or that the vast majority of US-ians are prepared to vote for a man who demonises Muslims and advocates the legalisation of torture.

I hope I'm right, I think I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 12:17 PM

He gets a lot of press because he is so outrageously nuts. People can't believe what they are hearing. It is a sick reality show nothing more

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 12:41 PM

What is so confusing for people is the Republican party has so many people running. Trump may show a lead in the party but if you add up the spread across candidates, 85 percent of his party is telling him to piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:18 PM

That reminds me of the recent UK general erection - and now we have Ham E Penis enjoying the dictatorship of the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 06:31 PM

The Ginger Tosser is very popular in the US, and that a large proportion of US-ians are prepared to vote for him.

Absolutely true. He, and they, are a serious embarrassment.

And Rubio, Cruz & their followers are just as obnoxious & embarrassing..

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 08:05 PM

The US electorate is split roughly into 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Democrat, and 1/3 independent. Trump is popular among, at most, 30% of Republicans, 30% of independents and 0% of Democrats. That equates to roughly 20% of voters. The other 80% despise the guy. Even the Koch brothers hate him.

Trump has only been able to make a big noise because the Republican field has been so large that a 30% share is huge compared to that of any other single candidate. As more people drop out of the race and support of the other 70% of Republican and independent voters consolidates behind one or two "mainstream" candidates, Trump will be left far behind.

That doesn't mean Trump's going to go away. He is extremely wealthy and his campaign is self-financed. He doesn't have financial backers to withdraw their support as his poll numbers begin to decrease. He'll just keep throwing his own money at the campaign until he gets tired of playing the game, takes his ball and goes home.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:04 PM

That equates to roughly 20% of voters

Oh, thank god- that means there's only 29 million complete assholes.
I feel so much better!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:08 PM

Again how many of them are messing with the poll takers like I did saying I want trump he will save us... You gotta figure lots of people want to see him waste his time and money for being a jerk

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:13 PM

I bet have or more of the people polled are doing the same thing so they can watch him say how popular he is when in reality he is to quote him a loser. I bet some people are switching parties just to watch him lose big

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:14 PM

I am sure there are people switching parties just so they can vote for him knowing its a sure Democrat win

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 10:26 PM

Then again, I'd guess a bunch of us just might not be answering phone calls from "unknown".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:12 PM

New Hampshire presents new demographics regarding voters' intents. Much of the result of the vote will depend on the political leanings and considerations of Independents who make up about 40% of the voter population. It will be interesting to see how that vote gets spread around. They are the people the polls don't know much about.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:48 PM

Frank Zappa said it best, many years ago:

"Politics is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:58 PM

There's a chance that the majority of voters won't vote this election, so the chances of all candidates are amplified. The usual turnout is 60% for presidential election years, 40% when only state officers and members of congress are elected.
Still, I don't think Trump has much of a chance to win the general election. I think this is going to be a bad year for Republicans, because they are seriously divided. The true conservatives and the radio talk show conservatives can't find much common ground.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:11 AM

If you're going to quote Zappa, this is also germaine:

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:51 AM

Let's assume that Der Donald ends up with a commitment from 35% of the delegates -- commitments mandated by the vote spread in their home state. The rest are split between Cruz, Rubio, etc. etc. etc.

The Republican Convention comes to the first vote and 35% of the delegates cast their vote for Trump, as they are required to do. That relieves them of the necessity to cast their second vote for him and puts the nomination into the hands of the party in general.

High up in the hotel towers, in a smoke-filled room, the Powers That Be decide that Kasich would be a far better candidate than any of the others.

Kasich is nominated and for political reasons he asks Ben Whatshisname -- the neurosurgeon -- to be his running mate. But Trump, now a loser, runs as an Independent, using his own money, with Palin as VP candidate (this tosses out any further affiliation with the Republicans for eaither of them, of course).

This splits the party into tiny fragments.

The Democrats don't have that kind of problem. They nominate Sanders, who asks Warren to run with him as VP. Clinton throws her committed followers behind the Sanders/Warren ticket.

Who wins?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:48 AM

Trump.

Unless Kasich picks Palin.

Then he wins.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:53 AM

BTW, Trump yesterday endorsed a (female) supporter's shouted charge that Ted Cruz is a "pussy" because he opposes waterboarding. The crowd went wild.

CNN would not repeat the word on TV.

Trump has said he'll do "worse things than waterboarding."

But only if he wants to.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 12:01 PM

Some of us jeri don't have the luxury to not answer as most of their executive clients and even government officials block their numbers

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 01:38 PM

Nobody thought that the Trump campaign wood take off, so they let him spout....HOWEVER, he tapped into the anger of the American electorate, and quite to everyone's surprise he took off. Then people wonder 'Why?'
Trump's success, so far, can be DIRECTLY attributed to people's frustration with Washington, and DIRECTLY attributed to the perceived FAILURE of the Obama regime, to deal with ISIS, immigration, Obamacare, the economy, and cronyism, among other things, AND the FAILURE of the GOP to seemingly NOT being able to do anything about it, despite the last midterm elections to reverse, or de-fund some of his programs.
If Obama and his programs were really that good, we would have NEVER even heard of Trump's rise in popularity....which is only due to a backlash to the crap we have in Washington, pretending to be a government.
That being said, I'm not particularly a Trump supporter, and frankly, he's getting to be a worn out record...but ya' never know, he keeps surprising some people with his antics.
In other words, Thank Obama for Trump!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 05:23 PM

If Obama and his programs were really that good, we would have NEVER even heard of Trump's rise in popularity...

More everything-is-Obama's-Fault nonsense from Goofus - - or is it Alex Jones?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 07:25 PM

The Ginger Tosser....

but is that the real color?

Reminds me of the story about Lucille Ball. She actually had somebody say something about her to the House Un-American Activities nasties. It was just enough to get her splashed across the tabloid headlines for a week, maybe less. Then it was clear that the allegations amounted to nothing, and everybody backed off. And the punch-line was delivered by Desi Arnaz:

"The only thing about her that's red, is her hair -- and even that's phony."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 10:36 PM

Shakespeare would have understood Trump's obscenity:" and long purples that liberal-shepherds give a grosser name." But I bet he would have been stumped by "ginger tosser."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:00 PM

No I'm wrong. He would not have understood either obscenity.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:21 AM

OK, Greggie, your post was your typical 'trollie-shit'...but I'll answer it...though you probably won't 'get it'....

A some of Obama's stuff I do agree with, some I don't. My chief complaint about him, is that he lied a LOT....and that is not up for a stupid debate..it's well known.....He lied, because he has a secret agenda...or why else would you lie about all the stuff he was proposing, and ramming through?? What a whole lot of you 'so-called liberals' don't quite 'get'...is that Obama isn't quite the 'socialist' that you were led to believe(which I've maintained for some time, as you know), also he was more of a corporate guy, USING the liberal ideology, to curry support from the 'so-calleds', and while telling you one thing, there was a secret agenda going on with his relationship with Wall Street and the 'banksters'...that some how gets brushed aside, and that even his 'devotees' have a hard time explaining(or even believing, for that matter). Wouldn't it be interesting to see Hillary's E-mails to him, and his to her?? Wouldn't you be curious to see the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs, that she was paid $675,000 for three??
You're not even interested, before you dismiss it and try to insult those who bring it up??...because ignorance is bliss??

Now if he, Obama, isn't part of the 'establishment Democratic/Republican Party', and REALLY a socialist....how come he hasn't come out and publicly, acknowledged, or endorsed Bernie Sanders, who IS an out-front socialist???? Why is everyone waiting to see if they may, or have to send out Biden??? Does he not like Sanders?? Or is Sanders a threat to Obama's act??...and therefore a threat to the whole corrupt act??? Are we waiting to see if Obama unleashes the Justice Dept. on Hillary,(depending on how she is doing in the primaries), BEFORE he, (or the 'Democrat Party'), sends, yet another candidate, into the 'election', in case the FBI refers the case for prosecution??
Hillary and Obama have each other over a barrel with this scandal, because it implicates a WHOLE LOT of people within the party, the multi-national corporations, banksters, and foreign countries..and buddies of both of them, and to whom they have more allegiance than their 'devoted believers', commonly referred to as a 'constituency'.

Shit man, I've been telling you this stuff for a LONG time now...and now it's starting to rear its nasty little head.

...and as I posted before, It is completely possible, maybe even probable, that the election may come down to Trump vs Sanders vs the 'business as usual Democrat/Republican puppet show'!...(which you gave me your shit about before)

Just a couple of things to THINK about, while you wait to jump out from under your bridge, and spout some derogatory nonsense, from your fantasized version of what you thought being 'liberal' was about.

Happy daydreams!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:27 AM

"Politics is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex."

If only that were true! I've always thought that politics is the ENABLING division of the military-industrial complex.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:16 AM

Of course anything you say is up for debate, Goofus. You embellish or outright fabricate to make your point, so fact checkers are going to disagree - except that most folks here have taken your measure and won't waste their time. They'll just skip your post after reading the first couple of lines.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:30 AM

He lied, because he has a secret agenda.

Well, that settles it. Goofus really IS Alex Jones!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:31 AM

He just needs to have his hat re-foiled.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:48 AM

"People, don't let Bernie Sanders give America away! Don't let him.
I thought we were done with old communist Jews.
What was good for Julian and Ethel Rosenberg is good for the Sandman."

Donald Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:50 AM

New York Daily News front page.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 10:30 AM

"God has made me the greatest Job Creator in History. You all will have a job everyday. If you Tail gate before the game you charge for every burger, if you hold the door open you get a fee, if you press an elevator button for someone else you get paid. With my everyday Jobs program every thing you do will earn a profit."

Donald Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 11:30 AM

"People, I promised you a wall and make Mexico pay for it. We now have a signed deal...
Contingent upon my becoming President, which is now a sure thing, I
will sell Mexico our entire debt which I will forgive for 100 years of Mexico building and maintaining our wall.

Not only will we then be debt free but we will have our wall and leave it to Mexico to build it too. Now that is what I call the ART OF THE dEAL."

Donld Trump"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 12:11 PM

I dunno what's come over the Daily News, Bruce. Sure ain't the paper it was in the 1960's!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 02:51 PM

Acme, Greggie F., and Sillymoron, have said NOTHING of substance, just more of the same crap of pointing their stupid ideological driven fingers.
The fact IS you morons don't know what the hell is going on. Greggie is sounding more like Marco Rubio...just repeating some memorized line over and over again.
Sorry Ol' Chaps, but what is plainly in front of us all, is clearly on 'my side'. History is too...but that makes NO difference to your typical blockheads.

The Fact is, that people who are 'independents' number into the mid 40's percents...that leaves the remaining 50% or so to divide between the Republican and Democrats!!...in other words the puppet show is crumbling...and why?....BECAUSE they are CORRUPT!..and people are tired of their bullshit performance, and don't believe their crap-ass lies anymore!....but you still hang on to them!..but then, who cares??

What don't you understand???????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:19 PM

Trump won nh with 30k votes.. Bernie won with around 146k votes follow by hillary will 80k votes.. What does that say

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 04:25 PM

Sez there were more Republicans to choose from, and maybe fewer Republicans voting.

In other words, only that Trump and Sanders are pretty popular with partisan voters in New Hampshire.

More interesting is that some 40% of independent (i.e., non-GOP) voters wanted Trump, and that among Dems who thought that "honesty and trustworthiness" were the most important traits for a candidate, only 5% chose Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 05:48 PM

olddude: "What does that say?"

Lighter: "Sez there were more Republicans to choose from, and maybe fewer Republicans voting."

Lighter, I pretty much agree with the latter part of your post, but the sentence, of yours, that I quoted above, is not accurate.

What it says, in answer to olddude, is that, people are NOT supporting the establishment parties. Both the front runners, whether you agree with their 'politics' or not, have the support of people reluctant to go along with the traditional party lines.

On the Democrat side, even they do NOT trust Hillary to tell the truth..which both Lighter, and I have pointed out.

On the Trump side, the Republicans have announced that they now are going to have a 'super-PAC' to stop him.....not even to endorse another candidate of theirs...just to stop him.

The OBVIOUS 600 pound gorilla in the room, is that both Sanders and Trump are getting their support, not from the 'Establishment Puppet Show' but from the regular voters....as I've pointer out a couple of posts ago, on this thread, but also on another thread.

The other thing I've pointed out, for years now, is that the bought and paid for 'party leaders', have been deceiving their respective parties with lies, hiding their secret agendas, and masking it with false pretenses of 'ideological' differences....when in reality, they are both the best politicians money can buy!!....

...and to Lighter, this went into full throttle, November 22, 1963.

JFK, was also bought off, in the election, in Chicago...with the organized crime bosses, but later decided NOT to play ball...and Bobby was going after them, and the corrupt union leaders. That being said, there were others involved....but I'm not getting into that, again, on this thread.

I believe you can go back over quite a few of my posts, for years, telling you about the 'corruption in BOTH parties'....matter of fact, click on my name above, in blue, and go to my posts...then scroll down to the bottom, and click, the grey box that says, "Posts Starting With Oldest"...and start reading the first, ummm...10 posts,, which, BTW, is under the thread name, "RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?", from when she ran against Obama the first time...8 years ago...and guess what???? Sound a bit familiar???????????????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 06:26 PM

NOTHING of substance, just more of the same crap

Uh, look in the mirror, Goofus   Alex.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:20 PM

Reading some of the comments, it appears tome that the Republicans are currently going through a Citizen Kane moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 01:55 AM

Both sides are, SPB. It looks like the Democrat people are voting, and supporting someone that the Establishment party leaders, would rather not run. They may very well come up with someone else. If it goes to a brokered convention, by either party, the party will pick who you are going to vote for..like it or not.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 02:36 AM

They always do sanity, and even if Mr Sanders is elected President he will face opposition from many ambitious members of his own party, who will curry favour with the media.

If elected Mr Sanders has an almost impossible job on his hands, he is a gift to "Big Business" and his policies will be turned into a running joke, just as the opposition parties do to Mr Corbyn in the UK.
The only reason Mr Corbyn has not been removed "to make Labour more electable" is the mandate given to him by a few hundred thousand committed people who voted for him in the leadership election.

You will find that most of Mr Sanders most dangerous enemies will be standing behind him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 05:32 PM

Yes....and here's another tidbit..the 'Democrat Party', will decide who runs, according to the delegate count, and not the popular vote count.
it's just how they set their rules.
So, if Clinton 'co-operates' with Obama, he may help her be 'the first woman president' and the FBI probe might be abated.....as long as she 'co-operates' with his rules....and if the FBI investigation is held back, or she is not indicted, they will do everything possible to bury Bernie Sanders.....while pretending to be 'socialists' themselves....but the nitwits will rejoice....because a 'Democrat' get's to run, supported by the whole, of the corrupted party....and hardly anyone would bitch...nor even 'get it'!!

As for me, they're going to do what they're going to do...but if they pull this off, there will be 'celebration'......until it manifests to what it really is...and by then, it's too late.

..and insofar as Trump goes, who knows what he's really about, other than getting to be president, is another new toy to gloat about!...after all, he thinks he deserves it...just like Hillary.
Neither one of them gives a rat's ass about 'We the People' except for lip service...and it's quite obvious.

GfS