BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 01:09 PM

You couldn't discover girls at Thornleigh. Well you could go up to the other end of Bolton to the convent school but there was an impregnable armed guard of nuns awaiting. And non-Catholic girls would have seen us cast into hellfire, so that wasn't an option. I made it though. More about my early life on request. Don't mention The Summer Of Love.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 01:06 PM

That's better.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:38 AM

I played Cricket for De La Salle in 1968 and was in the debating society all through my years there (1966 to 1972)

However in 1968 I was thirteen and not in the first team.

That year I discovered girls and motorbikes, my interest in cricket and debating subsisded somewhat.

Referring to holidays I visited a cracking bar in Tully Cross, Co Galway last month had a stupendous afternoon singing and playing.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:36 AM

Little Sir Echo!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:35 AM

It's much better than his usual comments, Steve, and makes about as much sense.

I think he probably went to Trondheim.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:14 AM

Troll!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:04 AM

Nah, boobs, this is MUCH nicer than Keith burbling on about "Labour's antisemitism problem!" We've been hearing about that for yonks! Bor-ing! Where did you go on YOUR last holiday? Lemme guess! Mecca??

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:23 AM

Trolls!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:21 AM

Hear about the sheep who got sunburned on holiday?


It had gone to the baaaa-hamas...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:16 AM

De La Salle? We played them a cricket in 1968 when I was in the Thornleigh first eleven. They won. We should have had a fist debate instead. We were reet bloody hard, us Thornleigh lads, tha knows...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:14 AM

Only ewe can make the world go round

I know I'll never find another ewe

Any more?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:10 AM

Thank you Steve. I can't see how pleasantries can annoy anyone but as they say in Cleckhuddersfaxwyke, there's nowt so queer as folk.

I think I have related the tale before. The fist debate I attended was at 6th form college (De La Salle, Salford. 1969) I have no idea what the debate was about but it was won by the lad who discovered his opponent had been involved with a young lady rubbing 'Pretty Peach' body lotion on his chest. That type of things happens all over the place, including parliament (pigs heads anyone?) Dunno why some think it should not happen here.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:04 AM

Hey Dave, I did a two-week field course at Malham Tarn Field Centre in 1970. The sun hardly went in and it almost burnt our arses off. If I ever get skin cancer I'll put it down to that fortnight. Mind you, it was July, not back-end. Are the ewes more receptive at this time of year? Er Dave, it is just ewes I hope...😜

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM

Well where shall I start, Dave? Like to hear about our day trip to Alberobello to see the trulli houses that are in all those Grauniad holiday ads? Lovely place! And we saw a wedding there which appeared to be attended by a small contingent of mafiosi (the blokes all seem to dress like that for weddings in Italy, to be fair). By the way, I hope this is annoying almost no-one here! Happy birthday by the way, Dave!


Now where were we...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 09:46 AM

Ah well. One can but try to make the world a better place.

Yes please, Steve. I would love to hear about it. We are off on our sheep shagging weekend in Ribblehead in a couple of weeks. Won't get the Italian sunshine but the tales will be very tellable :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 09:29 AM

I'll answer that. Watson can't be trusted. He's right-wing old guard in sentiment and hates Corbyn and he's very pro-Israel regime. Now, would you like to hear of my fantastic week in Puglia last June?* Or my sojourn in Siracusa in September? You won't regret it! I can tell you about the best wines and recommend great eateries and gelateria!



*Unfortunately, I was in Puglia during the week England got kicked out the Euros and the UK got kicked out of the EU. The Puglian people I spoke to were devastated by both events. I did vote by post, by the way. I'm not telling you which way.   Mind yer biz!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 09:19 AM

Dave,
Glad you enjoyed it, Keith and that you are back safe and sound. Shame nothing seems to have altered on here :-( Do you not fancy sharing your holiday experiences with us instead of going through all the same old arguments with the same people?

I would be delighted to share my holiday stories, but in PMs.
I get very annoyed when others start talking about such things on a discussion thread, and I doubt I am alone in that.

This was not "the same old arguments " though. It was a new discussion about a brand new report, though it was relevant to the previous discussion.

Jim, do you really believe that Watson tells lies against his own Party for the Israeli government, for which he is a "poodle" and a "mouhpiece?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 08:02 AM

I'm a troll
You're a troll
Kiss me
And I'll turn into a prince
Suddenly

With apologies to Robert Charlebois.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 06:28 AM

The other thread got closed before you had chance to answer my question, Keith. Probably best that you start another thread to do so though.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 05:52 AM

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! YOUR RESPONSES ARE FOOD, DRINK AND OXYGEN TO THEM. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 05:48 AM

CAN SOME HUMANE FORUM FAIRY WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN THE VICINITY PLEASE CLOSE DOWN THIS MINDLESSLY OBSESSIVE ONE-MAN CAMPAIGN - IT REALLY IS THE KINDEST ACTION TO TAKE.
SOMEONE PUT HIM OUT OF ALL OUR MISERIES, PLEASE!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 05:38 AM

Of course you can all withdraw from the discussion, but do not blame it on non-existent trolling.
You are just incapable of replying, or of making a case.

I am disappointed Jim that you could not answer the simple, unloaded question, "Do you believe that Watson lies against his Party."
You say as much over and over, but when made to see how ridiculous it is, you scurry off and hide.
At least I have made you rethink some of your delusional beliefs.

Likewise your claim that Watson is "a poodle of" and "a mouthpiece for" the Israeli Government!
No wonder you feel you have to hide!
You have made yourself ridiculous.

BWM, nothing I have said here can be described as trolling.
Just discussing facts.
Sadly they are facts that some people here can not deal with.

Steve, I have answered all your points.
I take it you have nothing else to say either.
Off you go then.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 03:25 PM

Backwoodsman's right again lads
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 02:38 PM

Steve,
Can you prove that each of those organisations called the report "reputable?"

The media organisations reported the CST report without expressing any reservations or misgivings about the CST.
If they did not consider it reputable, they would report criticisms of it. None did.
Re Police,
BBC, "The CST, which works with police to gather data, said recorded incidents last had increased by 36% on 2015."

The police would not work with an organisation they did not believe to be reputable.
And, that is the source if the stats. that you question.

Can you prove that I'm the only person in the world who agrees with Jenny Tonge?

Not provable. There might be some other nut somewhere, but I can't find one. Can you?

Jim,
So you agree with their conclusions - do I have that right?

Not qualified Jim, but they are a reputable group so they should not be dismissed.

If so, what is his motivation?"
For Christs sake Keith - I've just given it for the third time

You mean his allegiance to Israel? That is why he lies against Labour?

Where is your evidence that evidence exists?

I have shown, with quotes, that the leadership acknowledges the fact.

"It was the reputable CST report that concluded that Labour's anti-Semitism probably contributed to the rise in such attacks."
You lied

No. That is the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 01:42 PM

THe position remains exactly the same as it was when Keith started all this all those centuries ago
Not one scrap of evidence has come to light that Labour has ever has a problem with antisemitism - serious or otherwise.
No evidence ahs been found, no admissions have been made, no antisemitism has ever been specified to suggest that there is a "serious" problem
We do know that the original accusation came within weeks of Corbyn declaring his support of BDS
The accusations have disappeared twice, only to be revived when right wing "Friends of Israel" returned from sponsored visits there.
No-one has ever described the type of "antisemitism" that is supposed to be coming from The Labour Party and no figures have ever been produced.
Two enquiries have taken place - both found no evidence.
End of story
We also know that last April the Tory Party was accused of Islamophobia by respected leaders of the British Muslim community.
The only response has been to appont Borish Johnson, a racist, Home Secretary
The Tory Prime Minister has now climbed into bed with Arch-racist, Donald Trump who has has his racist policies halted by the American Courts and who ha declared that he will quash any law that makes his racict and unconstitutional policies illegal   
May's bedfellow has also appointed an arch-antisemite onto his staff - a nice three-in-a-bed for Mayflower
Who are the racists in Britain - Labour or Tory - answers on a postcard please
Let's leave keith to stew in his own bile
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 01:07 PM

"Duck it? I have already acknowledged it, and more than once."
So you agree with their conclusions - do I have that right?
"Now Jim, do you believe that Watson tells lies against his own Party?
If so, what is his motivation?"
For Christs sake Keith - I've just given it for the third time
Where has the report claimed Labour to be guilty of attisemitism? - you lied
Where is your evidence that evidence exists? - you lied
Where are your examples of antisemitism - you have produced none
Where has the Labout party ever admitted to a serious problem with antisemitism - it never has - you lead
"Continue? I never have and never would. Made up shit instead of argument again Steve."
What the ****s this then
"It was the reputable CST report that concluded that Labour's anti-Semitism probably contributed to the rise in such attacks."
You lied
Why are you7 lying to denigrate a decent leader
You are sa serious piece of work - you need another holiday
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 01:02 PM

Yes, alleged. I know that the only reason you wish to consider is "Labour's serious antisemitism problem," so in your blinkered state you neglected one of my other potential reasons, which was that you'll get more reports if you fish for them. Alleged means I'm not convinced, though I'm not dismissive, as yiu seem to think. And you seriously gave yourself away apropos of the rest of your denial bullshit when you referred in your post to "Labour's antisemitism problem." Perhaps, if you don't want to be accused of obsessive bias, you should do what I did and consider using the word "alleged."

Can you prove that each of those organisations called the report "reputable?" Can you prove that I'm the only person in the world who agrees with Jenny Tonge? As a matter of fact, the report is nowhere near as supportive of your cause as you seem to think. Nuance in language is not your strong point, as you proved with your Wheatcroft fiasco. Go and have another read. Do take your time.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 12:41 PM

Steve,
I'm sorry, but, if you wish to continue to try to pin the blame on Labour for the alleged rise in hate crime

Continue? I never have and never would. Made up shit instead of argument again Steve.

What do you mean " alleged rise in hate crime?"
Are you denying the fact?

Were it not for you bringing this up as a blame-Labour issue yet again

Made up shit instead of argument again Steve.
I did not play any part in the compilation of the report that implicated Labour's anti-Semitism. I just posted about it because it was completely relevant to this discussion.

And your calling the CST "reputable" in order to dignify your claims (do you ever do anything honestly?) is highly debatable.

The police, BBC, Independent and Huff Post regard it as reputable.
No-one except you has defended what Tonge said about them.

Jim,
The report accuses both Brexit and Trum of being the cause of the rise in Antisemitism - do you agree with this
PLEASE DO NOT DUCK THIS ONE

Duck it? I have already acknowledged it, and more than once.
Your wording is wrong though. The report does not "accuse" anything of being the "cause."

There is no evidence that these accuastions are true

Well, the Party leadership have recognised Labour's anti-Semitism problem, so your denial of it is worth nothing.

Now Jim, do you believe that Watson tells lies against his own Party?
If so, what is his motivation?
Please do not duck this yet again!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 12:28 PM

"It was the reputable CST report that concluded that Labour's anti-Semitism probably contributed to the rise in such attacks."
No it was not - it never accused Labour of antisemitism - it only said there had been accusations - and that is all there have been
There is no evidence that these accuastions are true and it would underline the entire report if it had suggested there was
The exact wording was "high profile allegations of antisemitism in the Labour Party; "
I ask again
The report accuses both Brexit and Trum of being the cause of the rise in Antisemitism - do you agree with this
PLEASE DO NOT DUCK THIS ONE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 12:18 PM

"I asked if YOU believe that THIS politician lies against his OWN PARTY on behalf of the government of Israel."
You are loading this question by ignoring every other fact concerning this man
He is a right wing opponent of Corbyn who has demanded he resign - he would certainly bend the truth at acheive that, as would very other right winger
He is a career politician who has been discovered fiddling expenses - he, and every other politician of his ilk would lie in their teeth to preserve his job
He is a member of Friends of Israel and has led two sponsored delegations there - nice work, if that's what turns you on.
He is opposed to BDS and has been cited in the Israeli press for his support for the Regime's cause.
He is a politician - lying is a recognised part of the job description
Of course he would lie if it served his agenda and his personal interests – does the Pope wear a frock?
Corbyn gives all the appearance of being an honest, principled politician – it says what needs to be said your politics when you are prepared to put in so much time and effort to denigrating such a man
Haven't we had enough shitty, dishonest politicians?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 11:47 AM

I agree Backwoodsman, Keith should stop feeding the trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 11:29 AM

Repeat after me...

DON'T
FEED
THE
TROLLS

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 10:54 AM

I'm sorry, but, if you wish to continue to try to pin the blame on Labour for the alleged rise in hate crime, then all the other possible reasons are highly-relevant to this thread, and you are not going to dictate to us what we can and can't include. Were it not for you bringing this up as a blame-Labour issue yet again we wouldn't even be discussing those other possible reasons, would we? And your calling the CST "reputable" in order to dignify your claims (do you ever do anything honestly?) is highly debatable. Jenny Tonge didn't think so, and, though I'm no fan of hers, I'd take her opinion over yours any day of the week.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:31 AM

Steve,
Well we can all come up with "possible reasons," can't we. But, Teribus, "possible reasons" are not proven causes.

It was the reputable CST report that concluded that Labour's anti-Semitism probably contributed to the rise in such attacks.
Such a thing is not capable of proof, any more than it can be proved that Brexit contributed to racist attacks, but Jim made a big issue of that!

But you and Keith are obsessed with just one "possible reason,"

No. We acknowledged the other possible reasons but this thread is about Labour.

and you seem to wish to eliminate from consideration all the other "possible reasons"

No. We just highlighted the one that was relevant to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:12 AM

Jim,
Do I believe politicians lie - tough one that - you're going to have to help me out there

Not what I asked Jim.
I asked if YOU believe that THIS politician lies against his OWN PARTY on behalf of the government of Israel.
The two quotes make it very clear that you do, but it is so bizarre that you should clarify your position.
Will you Jim, or like Diane Abbott are you ashamed to reveal what you think?
Please do not duck this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:14 AM

Sorry - should be two separate sentences
" The fact that Trump has drawn his support from groups like The Klan and The Tea Party are going to make the U.S. a hotbed of antisemitism, racism and cultural intolerance.

The persistent practice of the Israeli regime with have the effect of targeting the Jewish People in the same manner,
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:05 AM

"Well then Jim apply your self same arguments to you claiming...."
Apart from your infantile use of a continuing use of a typo (seems to be yor comfort blanket) - can we drop the "my claiming" - I "claim" nothing - I put up the findings of the report
Your mate's report links Brexit and Trump with the rise in antisemitism, not me.
You are obviously not going to respond and I doubt if he will, but you, like he, were quick to defend the findings of this report until its implications were pointed out to you.
Of course Brexit was an issue - within days of the announcement racist incidents has rocketed ant there were reports of non-British residents being approached and asked when they were "going home" on the same day.
Trump's racist agenda and his inclusion of an antisemite on his staff is guaranteed to have the same effect.
The persistent practice of the Israeli regime with have the effect of targeting the Jewish People in the same manner, and the fact that he has drawn his support from groups like The Klan and The Tea Party are going to make the U.S. a hotbed of antisemitism, racism and cultural intolerance.
Good days ahead.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 07:20 AM

Well we can all come up with "possible reasons," can't we. But, Teribus, "possible reasons" are not proven causes. You've been given plenty of "possible reasons" for the perceived increase in hate crimes by me and Jim. But you and Keith are obsessed with just one "possible reason," and you seem to wish to eliminate from consideration all the other "possible reasons" and you are trying to erase the word "possible." In my view, the most plausible major reason for any increase in hate crime directed at ethnic minorities last year is the anti-foreigner talk that dominated the referendum campaign for months. I can't prove that but you can't dismiss it either. I do understand that that won't sit well with you and Keith as you both doughtily and unstintingly supported the main anti-foreigner racist, Nigel Farage, but that's your problem, and trying to shift all the blame on to the Labour Party is just blinkered.

And do give it a rest, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 06:58 AM

"It was a prominent news story Jim"
Which had nothing to do with Labour and nothing to do with the title of this thread - which you chose.
"I did not put it up. BBC R4, BBC News and various publications did."
You put the report up as an attack on Labour - it was nothing of the sort - all your own work again
"Watson was not involved in the report!"
Watson's comment was included and he has been a part of accusing Labour of antisemitism on the part of his Israeli mates.
"You really do believe that Labour's Deputy Leader lies against his Party in the service of Israel!!!"
Do I believe politicians lie - tough one that - you're going to have to help me out there
Your "in the services of Israel" distorts what I say - deliberately, no doubt.
He is against BDS - true or false, he is a supporter of the Israeli regime - true or false?
He has helped revive attacks on the Labour Party on at least two occasions after visits to Israel - true or false?
This is an example of your gargantuan effort to denigrate the Labour party by smearing them with charges of antisemitism - true or false?
You have never produced a shred of evidence - true or false?
You have not responded to the Brexit link to antisemitism
The report implicates Brexit in the rise of Antisemitism in Britian - DO YOU AGREE WITH IT?
By including that Nazi poster, it also implicates Trump's victory in that rise - DO YOU AGREE WITH IT?
A simple yes or no will do in either case
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 06:02 AM

Well then Jim apply your self same arguments to you claiming that the Brexit campaign and vote resulted in an increase in "hate crime".

The CST commented on the increase in the number of hate crimes reported in 2016 and the fact that one third of them were anti-Semitic attacks. The CST identified the possible reasons for the increase.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:32 AM

Steve,
You either did it on purpose or you're not very bright.

Third alternative, you are not very good at explaining what you mean.
Good example, your one word post "unbelievable."

If that isn't dredging up tired old arguments, Keith, well I'm the Queen of Sheba.

It is not, Your Majesty.
It is adding discussion of a highly relevant breaking news story to the original debate.

If you are tired of it, why do you keep trying to join in?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:26 AM

If that isn't dredging up tired old arguments, Keith, well I'm the Queen of Sheba.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:23 AM

I invite you to peruse the thread slightly more carefully, Teribus, in order to find out why you have completely misinterpreted what I've been saying about cause and effect. You either did it on purpose or you're not very bright. The floor is yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:08 AM

Steve,
"Unbelievable" referred to you dredging this tired old rubbish up yet again.

Yes, you said that, but I did not dredge anything up. I referred to a breaking news story relevant to the discussion, so what is so unbelievable?

And it really is only about the Labour Party in the most tangential way anyway, isn't it? Oops, sorry, except in the minds of the Daily Torygraph and your good self, of course, and whatever ragbag collection of other anti-Labour pro-Israeli regime obsessives you can muster

The membership elected Deputy Leader of The Labour Party said it was about the Labour Party. Which of those categories does he fit Steve?

Jim,
It is yet another attempt by you to denigrate Labour

It was a prominent news story Jim. I had nothing to do with the conclusions of that report. You are just shooting the messenger.

Keith - you put up this reort to denigrate Labout -

I did not put it up. BBC R4, BBC News and various publications did.

the only person in the report who makes accusations against Labour is Watson

Watson was not involved in the report!

- Watson is Israel's poodle and he almost certainly was the cause of the accusation reaching the proportions it did.

Please clarify this statement Jim.
You seem to be claiming that Labour's Deputy Leader lies against his Party in the service of Israel.
Is that what you really believe Jim?

He is a right wing, anti Corbynite mouthpiece of the Israeli regime

You really do believe that Labour's Deputy Leader lies against his Party in the service of Israel!!!!

We can safely assume that, although they both feature the report RAISED BY YOU neither Trump not Brexit are going to be responded to by you.

I did respond.

The report refers only to "allegations" - no evidence

Yes. It cites them as a contributing to the sharp rise in anti-Semitic attacks.

If the Labour leadership says that anti-Semitism is a serious problem for Labour, your denial of it is worthless Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 03:32 AM

£Where's the evidence that the allegations led to the increase"
THere is no evidence - only unfounded accusations.
The report refers only to "allegations" - no evidence
Allegations are not evidence in any civilised court.
These allegations have been generated by a foreign power and taken up by the right wing of he Labour Party who are opposed to Corbyn's leadership - not the slightest bit "strange"
There is evidence that Brexit is part of the rise of antisemitism - that''s cited in the report, but any evidence that points to the "wrong" conclusion is not worthy of discussion to some people.
It's a fairly safe bet that Trump's Trumpeters will add to the problem, but of course, that won't be worth considering either
The greatest threat to the Jewish People today comes from those who implicate them in the crimes of the Israeli regime - as those crimes continue unchecked, the threat will become a reality.
That's not worth discussing either.
Much of this is covered by Keith's repoort - no longer worth discussing either - a definite backfire
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 02:54 AM

"And who identified this "reason?" Where's the evidence that the allegations led to the increase? There IS no evidence, is there? It's just a supposition to fit the agenda of anti-Labour obsessives." - Steve Shaw

How about OULC, Baroness Royall, Labour's NEC, The Community Security Trust, UCL. Strange that the vast majority of these "anti-Labour obsessives" all happen to be members of the Labour Party innit Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 06:48 PM

Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes but I see you're coming around 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM

Why, of course! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 03:50 PM

The continuing actions of the Israeli regime in discriminating against Palestinians and stealing land for illegal settlements

Which, of course they don't do - it is their land and they have every right to build and live on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 02:33 PM

One of the nastiest cases of shooting oneself in the foot I've ever come across
If there had been antisemitism in the Labour party, it would have been described as just that instead it was "allegations"
It would have featured largely in the report as "figures of authority committing acts of antisemitism" instead of allegations.
It does implicate the racist attacks as a result of Brexit, which put's the OPer and his mate, both Brexiters, in a position of having to respond to or (more likely) ignore that Brexit is partially responsible for the rise in antisemitism
The report also includes the Fascist leaflet implicating Trumpists
Oh dear!!
Nurse - the screens, the screens!!
Jim Carroll