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Source of tune: phil the fluters ball

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ABDUL ABULBUL AMIR
ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!
ABDUL-A-BUL-BUL-AMIR (A SEQUEL)
ARE YE RIGHT THERE, MICHAEL?
BENDEMEER'S STREAM
CARRIGDHOUN
COME BACK PADDY REILLY
DONEGAN'S DAUGHTER
MOUNTAINS OF MOURNE
PHIL THE FLUTHER'S BALL
PRETENDY LAND
PRIDE OF PETROVAR
SLATTERY'S LIGHT DRAGOONS


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GUEST,foxyloxy 27 Nov 19 - 05:41 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Nov 19 - 07:51 PM
GUEST 27 Nov 19 - 08:26 PM
GUEST,keberoxu 27 Nov 19 - 08:52 PM
Joe Offer 28 Nov 19 - 01:47 AM
leeneia 28 Nov 19 - 01:49 PM
Steve Gardham 28 Nov 19 - 02:14 PM
Tattie Bogle 28 Nov 19 - 06:46 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 29 Nov 19 - 03:13 AM
Jack Campin 29 Nov 19 - 03:47 AM
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Subject: phil the fluter's ball
From: GUEST,foxyloxy
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 05:41 PM

Can anyone tell me if Percy French's "Phil the Fluter's ball" uses a traditional dance tune, or is it one French composed himself ?


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Subject: RE: phil the fluters ball
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 07:51 PM

Well it makes a rattling good tune. I learned it from the singing of Peter Dawson. I think it is the same tune as Delaney's Donkey. It plays well as a hornpipe. I'm no scholar of these things, sadly. "Oh, hadn't we the gaiety at Phil the fluter's ball!"


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Subject: RE: phil the fluters ball
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 08:26 PM

https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Phil_The_Fluter's_Ball


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Subject: RE: phil the fluters ball
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 27 Nov 19 - 08:52 PM

I am reminded of the pre-eminent classical flute player James Galway.
Interviewed at the height of his fame
for his non-classical music career,
and asked about the term 'flautist,'
Galway retorted:

"I never flauted a day in my life."


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Subject: RE: phil the fluters ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Nov 19 - 01:47 AM

Note comments in this thread (click):

    quite similar to "The Glasgow Highlanders", "Lord Moira" and "The Lad wi the Plaidie".
    -and-
    Its got almost the same tune as 'Delaney's Donkey'


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Subject: RE: Source of tune: phil the fluters ball
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Nov 19 - 01:49 PM

Thanks for the link to Delaney's Donkey. That's a clever song.


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Subject: RE: Source of tune: phil the fluters ball
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Nov 19 - 02:14 PM

It's very similar to the tune I've heard to 'The Ball of Kirriemuir/Inverness.'


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Subject: RE: Source of tune: phil the fluters ball
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Nov 19 - 06:46 PM

We do play it for dancing, along with a couple of other hornpipes: works well for a Canadian Barn Dance!


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Subject: RE: Source of tune: phil the fluters ball
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Nov 19 - 03:13 AM

Séamus Ennis played a reel that's the same tune but he may well have taken that from the song rather than the other way around.


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Subject: RE: Source of tune: phil the fluters ball
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Nov 19 - 03:47 AM

The resemblance to those Scottish tunes seems pretty remote. They are all descended from "Bonny Kate" of around 1700, which doesn't seem any closer to PTFB than the later ones.


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