BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 01:33 PM

I’ll be down that way next week, visiting a luthiery in the Exeter area....staying in a pub.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 01:05 PM

I believe a new one is opening just off the M5 if you fancy a long holiday trip to Scrumpyshire...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 01:02 PM

your town's buggered then...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 12:50 PM

Our local Travel Lodge is right in the town centre!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 12:34 PM

My hunch is Govt is planning to commandeer the likes of Travel lodge and Premier Inn
on trading estates at the edge of every town...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 12:25 PM

From CCDC
http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 12:09 PM

I see that the Government has commandeered a hotel near Heathrow Airport (a Holiday Inn) solely for passengers arriving with symptoms/possibility of having the virus. I do hope they 'deep clean' the place after all this is over. I wouldn't stay there for all the tea in ...er...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 11:05 AM

To grasp how small most viri are, fine porcelin will allow a virus to fall through like a plinko chip or a water molecule to run through a sponge. Respirators with an O2 supply are only as good as the seal against the skin which is compromised by facial fuzz.

What 'could' make Covid 19 much more infectious than the flu is that non symptomatic carriers can infect more people in their travels than flu. For example if flu would pass on to another person 1.3 times
before they are not infectious. A bad rate of infection would be 3.3

Learning from mistakes like keeping people on a cruise ship suggests that transmissability is more likely than full blown symtoms.
Ergo more cases overall. The irony is how the common cold became as virulent as right wing politics, again.

To temper speculation with current news, turn to CDC on the web.
They have the best epidmiologists in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 10:57 AM

Masks may filter droplets but any mask that could effectively filter viruses would suffocate you in seconds
I thought that also, but FFP-3 class masks effectively protect the wearer from droplet aerosols, protein molecules, viruses, bacteria, fungi and spores, and even from highly dangerous dusts such as asbestos fibers. BUT!
Protection only works if many other protective measures are taken at the same time: Strict hygiene when putting on a mask, protective goggles, gloves and plastic apron or overall, proper disposal of possibly contaminated disposable items and regular hand washing. In addition, the surroundings must always be systematically disinfected.

IT is not really a solution unless all steps are followed and even then sh*t happens.

https://www.ecowatch.com/coronavirus-face-masks-2645078070.html?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 08:57 AM

I read an [I hope trustworthy] article about 2 weeks ago that masks gave a false sense of security;
and that the more protective ones being sold to the public
previously required formal training and qualification
to be used used correctly and safely...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 08:04 AM

Masks may filter droplets but any mask that could effectively filter viruses would suffocate you in seconds. Masks are a money-making con.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 07:24 AM

The 'prompt' clinic nearby insists everyone wears a mask, but then everyone must use the same digital pen on a tether to sign in.

If you go so far as to wear a mask I would suggest gloves in public.

When do we start these special rules ?

Whenever you feel prevention has broken down and contagion is out of control.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 04:54 PM

1 plane landed in TX but you will be OK. Hey boss, da plane da plane

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 11:10 AM

Perhaps "don't transport people after they've been confined to a ship full of sick people" would be a useful rule:

Coronavirus Updates: Infected Americans Evacuated from Cruise Ship and Flown to U.S.

From the New York Times

Fourteen passengers, who were believed to be well before they were evacuated from a cruise ship in Japan on Monday, were found to be infected before boarding a charter plane to the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 17 Feb 20 - 10:38 AM

Backwoodsman, I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Feb 20 - 04:57 AM

China export shortages begin this week

The pundits are predicting the pandemic will impact world economy. It was being predicted because the growth of the Chinese economy was slowing anyway, and Trump was meddling, and......, and....... But the pundits never saw this coming!

An example of why predicting the future on historical data, when it gets it wrong, will get it wrong in a bigger way.

I saw a TED.com video that reckoned the 2008 recession was made infinitely worse by Government meddling. A rule that was repealed within a year & saw recovery following.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 07:43 PM

I do not forsee a problem with the water system so I won't have to make the pool or spa potable.
My objective is to have food for 6 months to avoid shopping weekly.
Dry goods, real frontier food. MRE's yuck. so I settled on 300 cans of soup.
Mormons are required to have a year of food.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 05:34 PM

LOL! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 04:43 PM

I've been on several campi meself, BWM...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 04:04 PM

proceed immediately to the what are we eating thread

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 03:07 PM

I used to work part-time as a Youth-Worker at a Youth-Centre on a school campus. It was quite a regular occurrence, when checking the building was clear and secure at the end of the evening, to find one or more of the boys’ lavatories blocked by having several toilet rolls shoved down it, and a pile of human sh*t left on the top.

You have to remind yourself, under those circumstances, that it was just one kid out of the fifty or so who had come through the door that evening. But it’s still very depressing.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 02:53 PM

The pupils are given small laptops to keep and take home, on which to do their homework and have contact with teachers etc. My husband has found more than one of these pushed down a toilet.
He is horrified at all this. In his home town in Adjame, Abidjan (Ivory Coast) the pupils (many with no footwear) were hard-pushed to find a pencil and an exercise book. Yet these nasty, spoiled brats shove their laptop down the loos!
The difficulty is that adults can't go into the toilet blocks when they are in use, as there are rules about privacy (rightly so). My husband is extremely careful to ban entry while he cleans, or he could be accused of voyeurism or worse.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 02:01 PM

Re the school restrooms: I still believe that a minority of students are responsible. How many people among us want to have anything to do with feces?

This situation is a shame, and the administration should step up and do something to end it.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 01:23 PM

Perhaps Steve one might catch viri while travelling in numerous omnibi?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 01:03 PM

What if the virus laughs at ultra violet rays
then makes the most of getting a free tanning session...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 11:51 AM

Strong UV light is at the entrance of operating rooms in our area.

I should have kept my 6 ft tall UV unit. (Portable tanning unit)
It was too strong for plants as well.

I would have used it for hair and hands

China export shortages begin this week

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 10:51 AM

"Viri." I love that and have been using it all day! Almost worthy of a thread....

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 15 Feb 20 - 04:46 AM

Read up on uv light for destroying viri. Very powerful. They have big robots in hospitals now and developing for planes. Some are being offered to China. I assume China has factory availability right now and could produce them. Very old technology..I think used in wwi. Also powerful steam cleaners will do the job
Where I live in Washington State USA we are asked to practice some universal precautions.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 09:45 PM

"A weak immune system is advantageous to surviving"

..so you wouldn't want to be in your 90s with a strong immune system...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 09:24 PM

A weak immune system is advantageous to surviving Covid 19. A strong immune system over reacts to the virus and that is what kills its victims.

Panic if you must but it is part of the normal deal for survival on the Planet. Virus were probably here first and are always a competator.

As in a collapse of life or merely a civilization in the past there is a spectrum of multiple causes happening together such as; global warming extinctions PLUS locust invasions PLUS a large impact PLUS Mumps PLUS AIDS PLUS viral infections PLUS Nuke plant abandonment PLUS etc.

This possible pandemic is a single incident and as such not a big deal to civilizationin in the long run. Survivability is 97%+

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 06:53 PM

The bloat dies down. It's the lack of lunch packs you should be worrying about.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 06:45 PM

but what about our boy band/movie star handsome faces..

we can't be seen in public looking like puffy bloated hamsters...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 06:33 PM

Mumps? Stop worrying, mate. At our age we don't need our bollocks any more.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 05:54 PM

My mrs is always brings home colds and coughs from school for me to catch..
Last year I decided it was time to start paying for a flu jab at xmas...

Still, while we're waiting for the pandemic,
Britain has a peak outbreak of mumps...

That'll be fun...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 05:28 PM

No leeneia, there are six toilet blocks in the high school, including those at the College for sixth-formers. All of them are in the same filthy state, female toilets as well as male ones. So the risk of spreading a dodgy disease is quite high. My poor husband has to clean them all!
In our village there is a lovely infant and junior school, plus a nursery, and children are ferried here from all the surrounding villages to attend.
I do think children could be vectors for a virus.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 05:16 PM

antibody identified

The biotech community are moving pretty quickly, they need to.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 04:53 PM

If you've ever dodged a bullet it is scary but happy at the same time

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 04:49 PM

one of the problems with closing schools is that the notso little horrors would be anywhere and everywhere, congregating. And it would take a monstrous effort to stop that!

Lets face it, we have a problem, just not as bad as China.






Yet.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Feb 20 - 12:40 PM

Keep in mind that that nastiness was probably caused by 2 or 3 boys egging each other on. That's 2 or 3 (or maybe just one) pupil out of several hundred.

What's the girls' room like? Clean, I bet. That's 50% of the school.

The adults have no excuse for this. When I was in grade school, our teachers ushered us to the restrooms at a stated time every morning and every afternoon. They would have heard the sounds of vandalizing and stopped it.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 05:28 PM

It would be better to close schools sooner than later.
If an infection rate is 1 in 200 its too late to make a meaningful difference imo. Sorry for the hardships it would cause.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:17 PM

He knows that no adult can supervise in the toilet block during school hours. (He places a yellow triangle in front of the door while he cleans) so the pupils can do what they like in there. And as you say Steve, grasses would get beaten up.
He has a special solvent to remove graffiti and the usual genitalia drawings, which shocked him terribly at first!
It's all very unhygienic.
I wonder if all schools would close if the virus should become rife?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 01:05 PM

The kids don't do it when there are teachers around, and you wouldn't dare grass because the perpetrators saw you in there...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 08:24 AM

Ah yes, my husband is a full-time cleaner in a large secondary school. He arrives at lunchtime (pupils are present) and works until 9pm. He starts with the toilets, and what he tells me is dreadful. The pupils make an unspeakable mess, with urine, faeces and other things. Toilet paper soaked in urine then flung up to the ceiling to stick there. (Why?)
He scours himself in the shower when he gets home, and changes all his clothes, which I'm more than happy to wash on a very hot wash cycle, including his cleaner's uniform.
He can't understand why the Headmaster doesn't address this filthiness in the toilets and punish the offenders. He didn't even have a toilet at school in Africa, just a hole in the ground!
If a pandemic broke out, I should imagine schools would be a hotbed of infection.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:32 AM

Doesn't matter how cautious I am outside the house,
my wife works in a infant school
surrounded by little festering disease carriers...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 07:22 AM

This is why I religiously wash my hands very thoroughly the minute we get home. But you're right Steve, the arrangements in public toilets for opening doors etc are not ideal. I never ever use public loos. Husband does though.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:49 AM

npr suggests that Africa will be hit hard because of so few clinics.
The tongue in cheek remark about the meek inheriting the Earth is gallows humor at its worst when we consider what may happen in Africa.


There is something akin to a grim experiment aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship being held along with over a thousand people by Japan. Some are infected and are moved off the ship as testing continues.

novel corona virus is now named Covid for short.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:22 AM

Droplets are quite likely not the main problem. They settle very quickly, so you'd have to be very close to a sneeze to inhale any. So you blow your nose into a tissue which temporarily goes back in your pocket where you keep your clean tissues, banknotes, credit cards or coins. Your contaminated hands then leave virus particles on strap hangers, support bars, door handles, supermarket basket and trolley handles, then on to your own shopping bags, car keys and the car steering wheel. As a bonus you might just pick up some more from the usually disgustingly-filthy buttons on the card machine. And don't get me started on the almost invariable setup in gents' toilets in which the only way to get out is to grab, with your freshly washed hand, a door handle that pulls inwards and that has been touched by a hundred unwashed hands. We all have to touch objects contaminated by couldn't-care-less people (though they do give a shit, literally). Even you with your conscientious disposable wad of Kleenex are a culprit. The public health warnings we're getting represent a load of panic-stricken back-pedalling. They just might do a little bit of good.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:15 AM

Oh Iains, what a shame, that would have been just the thing! As you say, 'wonder why it's no longer available?'

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 06:01 AM

currently unavailable (I wonder why?)


https://www.amazon.com/Lakeland-Encapsulated-Expanded-Disposable-2X-Large/dp/B00CMXCJMK?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_11

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Feb 20 - 04:25 AM

I agree about 'metal tube with all the coughers and sniffers'.
We intended to go 'up the city' on Saturday (not that there Lunnon, just Naaaarwich) on the Park and Ride bus. But I'm not keen as people do indeed cough and sniff with no hanky, and the windows are always shut. Box of germs. I'm furious when people just sneeze loudly without even covering their mouths/noses. And cough all over everyone too.
I wonder if one can buy a Hazmat suit on Amazon? Perhaps my husband could get a fancy one with Man U or Arsenal logo printed all over it?