BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 23 Feb 20 - 03:13 AM

is this what i said or is there something else..it definitely does not mention swamping.

what is happening in clinics in england now is that people concerned about disease are walking into the clinics or emergency rooms and bogging down the clinics..staff have to be sent home, places have to be sanitized...it is a nightmare.

it is a serious problem. just saw a video of a medical person in england I think..don't think i can find it again..saying this exact same thing. don't go the hospitals. call and get instructions.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Feb 20 - 02:50 AM

“I never said that people were swamping UK hospitals”

Read your previous post again - it’s exactly what you said!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 23 Feb 20 - 01:58 AM

our buses are transports for the homeless population, and quite often make up the majority of passengers. They are absolutely filthy and quite often seem drunk, even in the morning. There is probably drug use but I don't know. They carry huge filthy duffle bags. The seats are made of fabric, which is crazy for a public transport, because they can not be cleaned. I am sure that they probably carry hepatitis, TB, flu A&B which is hitting people hard where I am. There are bad outbreaks of cholera and bubonic plague and who knows what in homeless populations in california. I am not sure what should be done, other than housing them adequately, but it is a public health disaster waiting to happen. We are vulnerable to covid19 because we are basically a port city with ships going back and forth to korea and china. there is one exposure that we know of that occured when a woman came back from travel in china. The local hospital has stepped up precautions. I have a handicapped brother who works in a homeless shelter in Seattle. I think if something hits we will be treated outside. If you tie up a hospital with infectious patients..what if you have a heart attack. what if you are having a baby ..break an arm? It is nothing to ridicule frankly. I never said people were swamping UK hospitals..but they are affecting them and at least a couple of doctors got the virus from people who just walked in (I think.) As for getting information off the internet, CDC posts on the internet. This is nothing to sneer at. The financial repercussions will last a long time, if everything goes smoothly from now. People from a factory in Italy have gotten it; soldiers in Korea have gotten it. Churches, schools, etc. shut down. I can't understand people being snarky about this.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 09:58 PM

Conspiracy chickens come home to roost where ever bio weapon research has taken place. #1 is Russia, #2 is the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 07:55 PM

a bonanza for conspiracy theory nuts...

All the worst affected nations are competitors or enemies of the USA... hmmmm...??????

..meanwhile the vaccine has existed since the virus was developed,
and the select American protected elite have already been immunised... hmmmm...???????

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 05:29 PM

I foresee six months of confusion and initial lawless de evolution of normal civilization as people learn to deal. But who knows, ome of the exitement will be be fun for some. Good times, end times, as events grow worse, its too late to run from the latest curse.
It is good to relearn our priorities from billionaires to minorities.
Two Springs from now will bloom a new common sense that will last, sigh , a generation.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 04:55 PM

Life ain't binary.
We should panic in the UK.
Our healthcare system has been teetering on the edge for a long time.
It is the politicians, and people who justify their actions that are to blame. We can see some above.

There is one aspect of life generally, that becomes a driver of disaster in systems that can be overwhelmed, episodically.

That problem is use of the word redundancy to be perceived as excess, wasteful, unnecessary etc. Redundancy means insurance against unusual events. Capacity for natures variability.

Hospital beds apply in this context. They are there for your personal 'flu, not sitting idle. There used to be TB isolation hospitals, where are they now? We might need them!

Remember the London Ambulance Service computer system? "Tandem Computers" (clue in their name) quoted £11 million, winning quote £2 million. First few months it collapsed. Collapse & revamp - At what cost?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 11:43 AM

Northern Italy closes schools and suspends gatherings as coronavirus cases mount

https://abcnews.go.com/International/hundreds-chinese-inmates-infected-coronavirus-outbreak-spreads-prisons/story?id=69120484

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Feb 20 - 08:31 AM

mg:
we are asked where I live to follow universal precautions..we should anyway on our buses which are certainly sources of prurience in general.

Good grief, what do they DO on buses where mg comes from?

I just got a Facebook message from Ailie Robertson saying she'd had a gig cancelled in Italy due to coronavirus precautions. First public event I've seen to be affected.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 03:38 PM

Pfr as yet it is not a pandemic. Let us hope it does not become one. It would swamp any medical care facilities and the percentage that die (estimated at 2%, would inevitably increase markedly as intensive care facilities simply do not exist for the potential numbers requiring such care. Awkward choices would have to be made that would likely penalise the very young and very old. This supposes that supply lines,medications and vital infrastructure continues to function normally. In this joined up, just in time delivery world,such an expectation is likely away with the faeries in my view. (I hope I am proved to be totally wrong, but....)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 03:24 PM

Interesting link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-7SQGPkijs

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 11:20 AM

Mob panic mentality...

What's the reality of the news reports
of Ukrainians stoning a coach transporting quarantined returners from China...???

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 10:58 AM

But my original point in response to mg's nonsense still stands - in the UK (or 'England' as Americans erroneously refer to the UK), there is no Covid-19 panic, people are not flooding to A&E depots in our hospitals, staff are not having to be 'sent home', and A&E depts are not having to be 'sanitized', other than the routine cleaning which happens anyway.

In fact, the only person who appears to be panicking is the aforementioned mg.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 10:13 AM

Iains - we must at least make some effort to link this to pandemics,
or you know what will happen top our posts...

I had my own experiences of far too much NHS money being wasted on private consultants under Blair,
which I found completely unacceptable...

So sensible folks should agree both Blair and the tories are responsible for the current ill condition of the NHS,
and it's inability to cope with a realistically anticipated impending pandemic...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 09:37 AM

BUt it is the Labour leaders that send their entitled brats to private schools while the hoi polloi have to attend comprehensives (think abbaccus and bliar blair to name but two)

It was old labour under Tony Crosland that led the Labour campaign to replace grammar schools with comprehensive schools that did not use the Eleven-plus for the selection of pupils. ..."last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every f*cking grammar school in England."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 09:18 AM

New Labour...???

Oh we remember now..
that tory plot to covertly infiltrate the Labour party
in order to take it over and run it from the inside...

The fall back plan at that time when the public were sick of tory govt corruption scandals...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 08:53 AM

Whingeing? Who whinged? Don't you know that is a symptom of Covid 19 3/4?
QUARANTINE THEM AT ONCE

yep expect not just stupid mistakes but over reactions too

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 08:12 AM

Now then, you Tory apologists. A good number of us proper lefties (which Gordon and Tony were most decidedly not) were absolutely against PFIs and the academisation of schools. But be honest. By all means blame New Labour for initiating these things of which you moan, but let's face it: your lot has jumped on them with mighty enthusiasm and ballooned them out of any proportion that those initiators envisaged. You didn't have to do it, so stop whingeing about it, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Stanron
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 05:35 AM

Gordon Brown, when he was Tony Blair's chancellor, had the 'wonderful idea' of taxing the future. He got all those new hospitals on a kind of 'hire purchase' or 'never-never' system called PFI. He didn't have to pay up front. It would all be payed for by future tax payers. That's us, now. A significant part of current NHS budget goes into paying off that debt. He got the credit and we now pay for it. Thanks Gordon.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 02:46 AM

We have a problem with our NHS which is due to long-term underfunding by the Conservative government that has held power for the past ten years, as they prepare it for a take-over by the American private health industry.
Of course   the rubbish above presumes everyone is ignorant and are    not capable    of a little digging.
THE LABOUR PARTY were the first to float the idea of privatising the NHS by selling parts of it off, starting more than two decades ago and hoping "by 2008 we could have as much as 40 percent in the private sector."   Tony Blair took office in 1997, with the promise of removing “internal markets” in the NHS – the idea that Health Authorities ceased to run their hospitals, but “purchased” care from their own or other authorities hospitals. The Blair government, while leaving services free at the point of use, encouraged the outsourcing of medical services and under the Private Finance Initiative, an increasing number of hospitals were built, or rebuilt, by private companies too.

NHS hospital trusts are being crippled by the private finance initiative and will have to make another £55bn in payments by the time the last contract ends in 2050.
One of Labours cunning wheezes.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Feb 20 - 02:16 AM

”what is happening in clinics in england now is that people concerned about disease are walking into the clinics or emergency rooms and bogging down the clinics..staff have to be sent home, places have to be sanitized...it is a nightmare.”

Drivel.

We have a problem with our NHS which is due to long-term underfunding by the Conservative government that has held power for the past ten years, as they prepare it for a take-over by the American private health industry.

SFA to do with Covid-19.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 06:44 PM

I think you would only have to check one language, which would be Latin..could do more of course. I totally forgot about vir/viri..so long since I had Latin but I still have it somewhat as a second language as I was a nice Catholic girl.

Absolutely give up hugging and kissing people in church and most places. Shaking hands at church? I think an awful practice to start with, but at least should have happened before or after church. What I am most concerned about is transportation and I am planning a trip to Ireland and Spain in about two weeks. Someone loaned me a UV wand and I have essential oils. Not too worried about catching it as being quarantined. i probably said this already. I mean quarantined as on a plane and not getting off and no bathrooms etc. I have a specific diet to follow and I will have some food but it won't go far. Plus I will be staying in hostels with all sorts of international travelers. I think I have said many times here that we are asked where I live to follow universal precautions..we should anyway on our buses which are certainly sources of prurience in general.

Also, when I see ads on twitter etc. for flights, cruises, etc. I ask them how they are handling this..best I have found is steam cleaning and UV light plus essential oils plus lysol. I am sympathetic to people with chemical sensitivies because many disinfectants are going to be used..when steam would be harmless. We need not confine our thoughts to covid...there are others waiting to spring up and we can be prepared or we can be stupid. and i keep asking who of the democrats could possibly lead us through an epidemic, which whole cities quarantined etc...I have ancestral memories I think of epidemics..spanish flu and diptheria and others...i have worked in two departments of infectious disease in seattle..uw and childrens' hospital.

what is happening in clinics in england now is that people concerned about disease are walking into the clinics or emergency rooms and bogging down the clinics..staff have to be sent home, places have to be sanitized...it is a nightmare.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 06:24 PM

i believe some of the korean infected were us soldiers. not sure. but both korea and japan have proven really really stupid in at least some of what they have done in terms of releasing people from the quarantined ship..in japan i think with 3,000 passengers plus crew..500 diagnosed I think..2 recently died...they released to go home right away via public transportation. Are they nuts? I forget what I read about Korea...I think a woman from the cruise was not quarantined and went to chuch and spread it. An infectious disease professor has a youtube post and says the quarantine measures on ship were as good as useless and he was not afraid of ebola, sars, etc..but he was afraid of this..not sure he meant the virus itself or the precautions.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 02:32 PM

Coughing and following through with a shart has always been even more stigmatizing..
Something to look forward to as I get older..
if I survive the pandemic...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 01:48 PM

Coughing in public for any reason may become very stigmatizing.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 01:26 PM

FWIW coronaviruses generally are one of several family of viruses we call the common cold. Which is why symptoms of COVID-19 have been compared to colds.

rhinoviruses are another.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 07:24 AM

Early Chinese findings show pregnant women have some special immunity to developing pneumonia symptoms from Covid 19. Seventy year olds do not fair nearly as well. -npr-

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 06:08 AM

One Korean church goer is believed to have infected twelve others.
Korea now has over 100 cases.

New rule; church hugging and kissing may be hazardous to your health.

Adolescent shitstorms and spelling errors are not being investigated by the CDC. I leave that to you folks. Comedic relief is healthy and essential.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 05:38 AM

I quite understand about pupils with various disabilities such as autism (one of our neighbours has an autistic little boy) but these pupils at my husband's school have no disabilities.
And their laptops are paid for by us, the taxpayers. The modern age requires access to technology for students, and many schools here supply all their pupils with a personal laptop each.
No excuse to chuck it in the toilet!
I have to say that despite their atrocious habits in the toilets, lots of the pupils there are very very fond of my husband and greet him cheerily. He doesn't bear them any ill-will.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: peteglasgow
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 04:59 AM

a word of caution about 'nasty spoiled brats' (15 feb - sorry, i've just caught up with this thread) in working with disabled people - and particularly folk with autism - the habit of blocking toilets with full rolls is quite common and a difficult behaviour to alter. if people are away from home on holiday then their confusion about the 'right' thing to do in the toilet may increase. as for electric devices? don't know but i often feel it would be no great loss if we stopped looking at screens and everyone binned the all-pervasive and addictive wee bullies.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 04:34 AM

Perhaps if you followed the Camino Inglés route of the Camino de Santiago you might have been miraculously cured.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 04:10 AM

Well I went to Galicia for my holiday and picked up A Coruña virus...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 02:53 AM

Yes, and we should all be aware of Cornavirus. If you get that, you'll need to see a chiropodist.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Feb 20 - 02:37 AM

Has anyone noticed that COVID-19 sometimes gets called:

Corvid-19

Well it is a "bird" 'flu, which is nothing to Crow about.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 05:12 PM

If the birth day for the 'virus' disease usage was 1732, then the birth day for the plural 'viri' is 2020.


For all the girls I loved before is by Willie Nelson.
It is terrible. So is coronovirus.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 03:04 PM

I'm sure that your terrible poetry would go down well on many campi, as long as you could get plenty of alumnuses to attend... I don't want to be one of the hippopotami in the room...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 06:48 AM

To all the viri I've had before
That traveled in and out my door
I'm glad they went along
I dedicate this song

To all the viri I've had before
To all the viri I was blessed
And may I say, I've had the best
For causing me to cough, I coughed a lot, I know

To all the viri I've had before
And every time I tried to stray
The winds of change continued blowing
And they just carried me a way

To all the viri who shared my life
That now are someone else's strife
I'm not glad they came along
I dedicate this song

To all the viri I've had before
To all the viri that attacked me
That filled my nights with stomach cramps
They live within my world

I'll always be a swirl
Of all the viri I've had before
The winds of change are always blowing
And all the viri are always growing

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 05:53 AM

Quite.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 05:30 AM

virus (n.)

late 14c., "venomous substance," from Latin virus "poison, sap of plants, slimy liquid, a potent juice," probably from PIE root *weis- "to melt away, to flow," used of foul or malodorous fluids, with specialization in some languages to "poisonous fluid" (source also of Sanskrit visam "poison," visah "poisonous;" Avestan vish- "poison;" Latin viscum "sticky substance, birdlime;" Greek ios "poison," ixos "mistletoe, birdlime;" Old Church Slavonic višnja "cherry;" Old Irish fi "poison;" Welsh gwyar "blood"). Main modern meaning "agent that causes infectious disease" first recorded 1728 (in reference to venereal disease).

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 05:18 AM

Excellent explanation Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 04:44 AM

Well now, mg, there are 7,111 languages in the world and I didn't have time to investigate every one to see if "viri" occurred in any of them. You are correct in that the Latin plural of "vir" (man) is viri, so, to that extent, you've got me there. But, you see, that isn't where we get "virus" from. In Latin, "virus" means a potent or noxious substance, such as the poisonous sap of a plant. That's where we got "virus" from, a word we usurped from the Latin and gave a different meaning to in English. We do that sort of thing quite a lot. In effect we made "virus" a word in English. We anglicised it. Now here's the rub: there is no plural variant form of the word "virus" in Latin (unlike there is for "vir," which you correctly point out), so the only resort available to us is to treat the word as a full English word and pluralise it accordingly. So "viruses" is sensible and "viri", if you insist on using it, just says something about you, but not, unfortunately, the thing you think it says about you.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 20 - 02:35 AM

Is the corona virus virile?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 10:22 PM

virile.. not a word heard that often at mudcat...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 10:00 PM

of course there is a word viri and it is the latin plural for men.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 08:22 PM

Our council has just turned down an application for a new Travelodge in Bude. A couple of years ago we got a new Premier Inn. That caused ructions...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 07:35 PM

I wish to digress, as this is supposedly a serious topic. There is no word "viri", and if you attempt to use that as the plural of "virus" you open yourself to well-deserved ridicule.

Also, you may decide to use "fora" as the plural of "forum" when referring to platforms such as this one. Technically, you are not wrong so to do, but you cast yourself as a clown if you do. We see a lot of that here.

Now back to the subject...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 06:29 PM

Backwoodsman my good man I'm sorry I didn't write the name Iains. I look forward to all your posts. Actually Iains upsets me less than stale cheese.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 03:59 PM

Donuel. Do you really think any government is going to be entirely honest about a suspected pandemic? It will always be a case of plan for the worst and hope for the best, and like any security issue Joe Public will be kept largely in the Dark. To put everyone infected in isolation can only work when numbers are limited. What do you do when numbers get out of control? Only Mormons and preppers can isolate themselves, the rest need feeding.
You can compare what the Chinese say about it all and other equally dubious sites such as below: Two opposite ends of the spectrum.

https://electroverse.net/coronavirus-the-official-numbers-dont-add-up/

There is controversy over the:
numbers infected
The demographic most at risk
The transmissability
the fatality rate


Who to believe?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 03:15 PM

You talking to me?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 20 - 02:07 PM

When I said CDC I meant the AMERICAN CDC.
Not the Chinese government cdc or the FUCDC or Russian news service.

I can not prove your raison d'etre is to cause dliberate harm but it is time to cut the crap.