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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:17 PM "...had an Asian appearance." Maybe I'm being a bit thick, but what's the significance of this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:00 PM Sen - right then, hand shaking is definitely out... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:53 PM Immunity boosting behavior? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:52 PM My husband doesn't use toilet paper (many Africans don't). He has a small plastic pot with a spout (like a teapot) and washes himself after using the toilet. I could easily do the same if the toilet-paper disappeared from the supermarket shelves. People will just have to learn to be resourceful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: gillymor Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:40 PM I think I'm going to invest in corn(cob) futures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:23 PM "Why have toilet rolls become the emblem of panic? " Because smart phones and tablets can't replace daily newspapers for every essential function... ps.. flattery can sometimes make me so shy I go offline into hiding for days... Hope any enemies don't use that secret weapon against me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:13 PM Thanks Backwoodsman for the quote from Abdu Sharkaway. That says it all for me about the overreactions of some people, usually fuelled by sensationalist media. The advice he gives for calm, rational action is exactly what everyone needs to be reminded of. Unfortunately the Australian federal government is again conspicuous by its absence in dealing proactively with the endemic panic. I saw a couple at a supermarket this week. She had a face mask, and had an Asian appearance. He had a great big bandanna around the lower half of his face and looked like an ageing surfie/hippy. Now that looked to me like an overreaction. There was a fight between some women over toilet rolls this week in an Australian supermarket and the police had to be called. The toilet roll shelves in the supermarkets I have visited are almost empty. I was not buying toilet rolls. Why have toilet rolls become the emblem of panic? I don't know. I don't use sensationalist media sites, or watch their news or read their newspapers. I don't use Facebook. Maybe I missed the message and I am the one who is behaving irrationally. Iains, tweetment and oinkment. Yep! pfr, sorry (not sorry) to burst your bubble - in a nice way! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:50 PM Guest, I jest. Steve I know you are probably proud, vain, reasonably self informed and a bit inflated. Go with it. You are known for it, as much as Rap, but he makes it fun. You're right I can't help but to poke the bear but I really don't attack the bear. You just make it a delicious thing to do by objecting so seriously. I'm sure if we want to voice an opinion you will tell us what it is. See...its a joke but not a terribly good one. If I didn't tease I wouldn't care. So be it, I don't want to make you sick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:50 PM We didn't bother looking for hand-sanitiser, disinfectant, wipes etc. We reckon that merely washing our hands with soap and hot water when we get home should suffice. (We've always done this for years). So those shelves in Morrisons, Tesco and Asda may well have been empty. I use bleach in the kitchen to sanitise the sink and occasionally the surfaces. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:31 PM That was me. Someone ate my biscuit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:29 PM "Two people who tested positive for Covid, 19 died" Reread Iains' post. You have fatally misquoted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 12:58 PM "Steve self aggrandizes..." Steve does not self-aggrandise. I have my own careful way of expressing myself using decent English and I review every post carefully before I send it. I delete more than I ever send before sending. I avoid excessive sweariness and I don't bite back unless I'm attacked. I know how to be provocative but I don't target mild-mannered people. That's my way of doing things and I'm consistent enough. You attack me gratuitously all the time when I'm leaving YOU alone, and frankly, Donuel, you make me sick. You are weak-minded in your inability to prevent yourself from setting yourself up as some kind of unfunny cod-judge of some who are are clearly better people than you. I don't include myself in that. I've asked you before several times to lay off but you appear unable to help yourself. If you can't help yourself you're going to get a lot more of this kind of excoriation, and not just from me. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 12:51 PM I severely doubt that of: "Two people who tested positive for Covid, 19 died" Thats like a 900% death rate! The 2 most 'burning' questions on Twitter are "Will you prefer cremation by wood or gas"? and "While dead or alive"? Electric car drivers chose wood and Catholic martyrs chose alive. But here on the more intellectual mudcat forum we PROPOSE WHAT TO DO AFTER YOU HAVE DIED? To settle this great debate we have invited 3 guests who have died, Konstance Coughlin, Prof. Franklin Finchbiter and Eleanor Handbasket. Prof. Finchbiter, please begin our debate... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 11:36 AM https://www.change.org/p/ebay-stop-online-sellers-cashing-in-on-hand-sanitizer-amidst-covid-19-crisis?recruiter=85704538&recruit |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 07 Mar 20 - 11:20 AM As of 7am on 7 March 2020, 21,460 people have been tested in the UK, of which 21,254 were confirmed negative and 206 were confirmed as positive. Two patients who tested positive for COVID-19 have died. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:51 AM In Edinburgh, Asian mask wearers were everywhere during the SARS epidemic and I've been seeing several every day for weeks now. And the murderously stupid cunts in charge of the rugby industry have gone ahead with a Scotland-France match today. I've seen busload-sized tour groups of French rugger buggers sightseeing this week. While whole cities in France are locked down. Enough to send the epidemic in Scotland completely out of control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:31 AM I'm just wondering how long before I see a surgical mask wearer in town...??? How good am I at stifling laughter these days... I remember my amazed reaction when I was a young boy and saw my first long haired Hippy in the same shopping high street... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:27 AM That’s funny Sen, I’ve been out to our local Mozza’s this morning and it seemed unusually quiet and lacking in customers. The bog-roll shelves had very little on them (although I did manage to get a 9-roll pack of our usual bum-fodder), the tea shelves were thinly stocked - not a Taylor’s of Harrogate Yorkshire Tea-bag to be had - very few boxes of tissues, cleaning materials very sparse (no Dettol surface-wipes of any kind), and no hand-sanitiser. Yet everyone I talk to claims not to be panic-buying or stockpiling! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Senoufou Date: 07 Mar 20 - 10:13 AM We've just got home from quite a long journey around our part of Norfolk.(Husband needed new work trousers, steel toe-capped shoes and thermal Long Johns) It may just be my imagination, but everywhere we went, people seemed to be super-smiley, extra-pleasant and supremely courteous. Could this be a modern-day sort of Dunkirk Spirit? A kind of 'Keep Calm And Carry On' under adversity type of thing? No-one had been panic-buying. We got all our usual supplies in the supermarkets, including toilet rolls, which I'd heard have been stock-piled by frantic customers elsewhere, leaving empty shelves. Hope this positive attitude continues - in my view it's the only sensible way to proceed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 09:36 AM Bugger it.. I've just found out I'm a nice reasonable bloke.. I blush at the praise... but now feel a bit unsure of my punk rock identity... OK, science expert on BBC news just squashed rumours that infected items, eg toddlers toys that have been slobbered over, can be - cleaned killing virus - by a few hours in the freezer.. Instead he suggests old fashioned swabbing down with weak solutions of peroxide or bleach... .. or chucking batches of things in the dish washer. Provided they are dishwasher safe and separately washed from food utensils and crockery... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: gillymor Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:48 AM Now you've got the idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:45 AM CTFO :^] |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mr Red Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:28 AM You should have that tattooed to your forehead. -------- In reverse to be read in the mirror? Annnnnnd........ Eyeore would get diarrhea with COVID-19 which would make him .................. Winnie the poo (ISIRTA 1971) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: gillymor Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:12 AM "One can, with practice, say more with fewer words" You should have that tattooed to your forehead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 07:15 AM PFR has the most outrageous and humourous take on current events, Steve self aggrandizes, Helen yells "unfair', mg is on a search of a problem that does mot exist as well as his own thoughts and IRONICLY Iains and Backwoodsman are consistantly well grounded, focusing on facts we can know. One can, with practice, say more with fewer words, so... Chill the fuck out Expect to be lied to. The world has 'elected' the biggest liars. Expect to survive. Biological inertia is amazing. Expect to be nervous. We tend to think in possibilities not probabilities. Expect lots of BS From people who do not know what to expect. Expect people to do anything to survive, stupidly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:40 AM The doctor on facebook may be correct but I would prefer to have my risk assessments delivered by experts in the field. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525302/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK54163/ I think it would be a reasonable assumption that containment has likely failed. The next objective would be to slow the spread. This time of year seasonal influenza makes a demand on acute care bedspace. Slowing the spread enables intensive care facilities to deal with larger numbers over time. An uncontrolled spike would rapidly overwhelm available resources. No matter what sort of health system is in place, it cannot deal adaquately with a surge in demand for intensive care. Whatever side of the political spectrum is in power, there will be contingency plans that have been wargamed for a pandemic. We probably will not like many of the proposed control measures and the economy will likely take a massive hit, but pandemics do occur. The bblack death was a particularly nasty example and even today plague pits are treated with care.(though experts say they are unlikely to pose a risk) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:32 AM Right, Helen! So far in this thread I've posted substantially either to or around the topic 29 times. I've also posted jovial, jokey, mostly very brief and always inoffensive posts 29 times. I've bitten back against idiocy, mostly or even wholly from two men, six times. I've responded to mg in disagreement several times but never in an abusive manner. An additional fact for you: after many years on this forum I only found out on Feb 21 that mg wasn't a man, after someone used her first name. You have posted around 17 times, few of which posts contain very much of substance about Coronavirus, some of which are now attacking male posters for attacking women because they're women (with very little if any justification) and a couple of which perfectly unjustifiably stereotyped Aussie men. I never attack women because they're women and that very suggestion is, frankly, a slur. You are currently attacking men because they're men. Feel free to attack me for posting too much (you could be right). What seems quite likely to me is that you are carrying a grudge across to here from another thread on which we crossed swords. I vaguely remember the spat but I can't even remember what it was about now. You really do have better things to do. Do feel free to have the last word. Maybe you could make it as civil as I've tried to make this post, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Mar 20 - 06:06 AM Another, more serious comment from a health-professional... Cut and paste from Facebook's Abdu Sharkaway (fixed by mudelf) I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:48 AM For bird flu you need tweetment for swine flu oinkment I'll get me hat |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:39 AM how do you remove a body from a high building, or a basement, without touching them. Smash out the windows and reintroduce vultures. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:12 AM I share, without comment, this piece lifted from Facebook... "Where are we going Piglet?" asked Pooh. "We need to get supplies," said Piglet. "For the Coronavirus" "Ahh," said Pooh, nodding in understanding. "Things like bread, milk, cough mixture, tissues and cat litter even though we don't have a cat?" Piglet did a little laugh, and a sort of leap and bit of a cough. "No," said Piglet. "No, those aren't the sort of supplies we need at all! What we need are family sized bags of chocolate buttons, massive toblerone, jelly babies and crunchies and a freezer full of stuffed crust pizzas, and all of the Prosecco that we can possibly carry, so that when we get quarantined we won't mind it even slightly. THOSE are supplies." All of a sudden, Pooh thought that the idea of coronavirus didn't seem quite so bad, and actually, getting quarantined with Piglet and their supplies really didn't sound such a terrible thing after all. "Oh Piglet," said Pooh. "I really do think you are a very wise animal." As they walked along they spotted Eeyore stood by a stream watching the sticks float by..... “Hello Eeyore.” Said Pooh, “we’re off to buy supplies to sit out the quarantine, would you like to come?” “No thank you.” Said Eeyore “I’m just going to stand here, look at the stream and contemplate the Economic impact of a media induced panic that several companies are projecting folding straight out of Brexit. Also the NHS being brought to its knees by a huge panic, and the social impact of people distrusting others because they look or are associated with China. People are dumb.” “Well that’s sad.” Said Pooh “I much prefer getting shitfaced and eating Pizza.” “The ironic thing.” Smiled Eeyore is that Panic induces the Stress Response, and the first thing the stress response does is switch off the immune system.” “Huh.” Said Pooh. “why would the media do that.” “I don’t know.” Said Eeyore “I just watch sticks.” |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Iains Date: 07 Mar 20 - 05:03 AM https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---5-march-2020 The word from the WHO is Phase One, containment! The word from the UK chief medical officer is phase Two "Delay" England’s Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty said it was “optimistic” to believe that the efforts to contain the spread of the virus could have been successful. Talking to the House of Commons health committee, Professor Whitty said: “We have moved from a situation where we are mainly in contain, with some delay built in, to we are now mainly delay.” I suspect that the word pandemic will shortly be used, unless the world is very lucky. Well Punk. Do you feel lucky? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:53 AM mg - jovially pointing out your tendency to over react, spread rumour, and fantasise about a sci-fi technological response to a developing real-world threat, is not rude... You'll know it if I ever resort to real rudenesss, then maybe I'll gain promotion from "rude person number 4" to nearer a top spot in the ranking...?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:50 AM mg, I think that you are looking for workable solutions to a problem which is in all probability going to happen, but which most people have not even recognised yet. So you are looking into future solutions while the two pestilential buzz-flies are just making loud empty mindless noises around you for no other reason than to draw attention to themselves. From my observations so far, they do tend to target women more than men when they are being discourteous and rude. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:40 AM https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-hardware/robots-helping-to-fight-coronavirus-outbreak robots what i was thinking during hurricane sandy is how to get the elderly and infirm down several flights of stairs with no elevators. this was a huge problem at the time. you could probably pass some out a big window to a cherry picker outside. or have a sled that sides down the stairs like ski patrol uses. carrying on stretchers would wear people out too quickly. And these people weren't contagious. now..how do you remove a body from a high building, or a basement, without touching them. think of the basement unit in Parasite..and that is probably a luxurious apartment compared to what many people would have. How do you get a stiff body into a body bag probably adding their medical waste with the minimum exposure. I think robots could drag them down stairs once safely ensconced. I think body bags are not the only solution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 07 Mar 20 - 02:17 AM None of you will have to step over dead bodies on the side walk. What you will have to learn is how to live in a different world. One which is more poor with even less sustainable decadence. While you were looking behind you, a very real 10 trillion dollars was removed from access. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:39 AM i certainly don't see them as big strong men but perhaps I am wrong. Rude person number four, I am unfortunately not in the category of sensitive folk. I have a heart of steel, forged in a very serious fire. I have known big strong men and I so respect the big strong men and women whose lives are on the line here, china, italy, iran etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:28 AM You are, pfr, but my virtual Aerogard is at the ready for the two annoying and persistent pests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:22 AM Helen - spreaders of misinformation and alarmist rumours should not be humoured or encouraged, no matter how much you like them as friends... Sensitive folks might not be happy with our sarcasm and morbid humour, but we are being far more patient and gentle with mg than many other sites would... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:13 AM Shops ransacked by panic buyers.. don't worry.. Big Clive to the rescue...!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgY04l0CuEs "Emergency DIY hand sanitizers 81,198 views•Mar 5, 2020 bigclivedotcom 598K subscribers Every time a new virus incident occurs there's a rush on hand sanitizers, often causing shops to sell out. Here's how to make some simple emergency sanitizers at home, noting that they are not as effective as just washing your hands, and only some viruses can be damaged by simple sanitizers. These options are offered as a last resort when commercial versions are not available."... Obviously, this video links to similar tutorials now cropping up.. But a lot of us Brits know Big Clive is a fairly reliable bloke... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Helen Date: 07 Mar 20 - 01:11 AM Steve Shaw and Mossback, does it make you both feel like big strong men when you gang up on women and abuse them? Even from the anonymity of your computer? Your attacks on people who want to talk sensibly about a serious topic are nothing more than annoying. Like an annoying, insignificant little, eensy-teensy tiny-whiney mosquito. There is no substance to your comments. Empty words with lots of aggression. Whine, whine, whine, ad infinitum. Where's the Aerogard? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: punkfolkrocker Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:45 PM Torpedo the cruise ships in deep water.. Napalm infected schools and care homes.. Equip police with flame throwers to clear homeless folks off the streets.. Wrap yourself head to toe in several layers of clingfilm.. Don't go out unarmed.. Save one bullet for yourself.. There's some ideas for worried Americans... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:33 PM You do sound like you're over-dramatising, that's all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:20 PM did i say magic up? I think more like trials, in a country where they have been producing them in large scale. I did not say huge fleets. How should bodies be handled? How should they be disposed of and how quickly? How many more places can afford to have their entire fire department on lockdown. How many hospitals have medical staff on quarantine? Sorry for looking foolish and inspiring ridicule from rude people but we all should be looking at every aspect of this and providing ideas, no matter how silly they seem. Some good ones will emerge. For example, how do you get 400 kids' hands washed perhaps coming and going to school? That is a big one. Wipes, I suppose, but they are in short supply...but we certainly could make our own soapy water ones. Let me add to what planet do I live on. One where the quarantined?? cruise ship now in California is due to dock at a port very near me..and I doubt it will arrive, and if it does, I doubt they will be let off the ship..but if they are, they will mingle with a small town and that is how it goes. and rude person #3 or whatever you are, I think a country that makes self driving cars could certainly provide five or six as gifts..https://fortune.com/2020/01/07/elon-musk-tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-china-ceremony/ and could ramp up to large fleets if necessary. The more robotic devices that are used for transport, patient care, room cleaning, waste disposal (have we heard anyone talk of this?) food production in these cases, the better for now.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Mar 20 - 05:59 PM I'd like to know how any country could, in the present circs, magic up huge fleets of self-driving cars, let alone ambulances, in the next couple of weeks... ...mg...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mossback Date: 06 Mar 20 - 05:46 PM Mary, please seek help. I'm worried about you, really. Best, Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: mg Date: 06 Mar 20 - 05:03 PM what planet do I live on? one where my niece is a pharmacist at a hospital at the epicenter one where my brother runs the hvac at a jail one where my handicapped brother works at a homeless (formerly) hotel (thought he was working at a regular homeless shelter but no) one where my sister is a retired army nurse and could get called up one where a huge homeless population is living on the streets and already ramping up other epidemics one where a huge university has shut down in person classes one where a friend lives right next to the nursing facility in crisis one where finally some common sense is tiptoeing in..911 calls being screened for conditions, masks are first rationed for hospitals and not oh please don't buy them..one where businesses are really hurting. many will not survive. one where people stand outside the nursing facility to wave to their dying (perhaps) patients (as they should). One where we are obviously unprepared and if we are unprepared how are very financially constrained countries going to fare? Bangladesh? Philippines? Nigeria? And do we not have an obligation to keep our own spread of the virus down so they can weather this storm? One in which most people are still polite, but that could change on a dime. If you could save lives by having self driving cars (still how do you get a body into the car) on empty streets (I am referring to Wuhan) and there is a huge factory pumping them out (I hope still), why would you take the time to ridicule someone who is trying to think of solutions? A whole entire fire department is quarantined in Kirkland, I believe from exposure to one or more patients they transported or assisted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Donuel Date: 06 Mar 20 - 04:52 PM The president is expected to sign the 8.2 billion dollar Covid 19 budget. Lawyers have advised the president that he can not sue Covid 19 except under special circumstances.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: robomatic Date: 06 Mar 20 - 02:39 PM From Harvard Medical School, updated March 5 2020 (yesterday. Also being covered right this minute on PRI's Science Friday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic From: Mossback Date: 06 Mar 20 - 02:21 PM let's get self driving ambulances and hearses at least in china, What planet, exactly, do you live on, Mary? |