BS: New rules for the coming pandemic

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 11:01 AM

Oh well done Monique! Thank you so much - you are clever!

Sister also told me the Government is thinking of forcing all those over 70 to isolate themselves in quarantine at home! Gulp!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Monique
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 10:47 AM

Here you are, Eliza!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 10:35 AM

The Republican Senate response to the House Covid 19 bill is to add some ammendments and subtract care for the public

Add : splitting witheld payroll taxes between employer and employees.
Payroll taxes normally pay for social security and Medicare/

Anyone who blames Donald Trump for the invading foriegn virus will be charged with sedition.

Remove : provisions of expanding social security and medicare

A quagmire is assured.


There are still some Republicans who claim the virus is a hoax devised by US democrats.
HOWEVER
A Herd mentality, immunity and insanity also sweeps the UK

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 10:26 AM

That link doesn't pull up the article, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 10:15 AM

The one and only UK approach of 'herd immunity' can be sped up by applying an infected fecal matter&snot cocktail beneath thier nose on thier stiff uppr lip. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 10:10 AM

My sister just sent me a very funny song which is on Youtube. (I can't do those blue clicky things) It's by Sam Chaplin, and it's called 'Covid 19'. It's a spoof on 'Come on Eileen', and it really made me laugh.
Can someone a bit more techie do a blue clicky for me?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 08:42 AM

The only people now being tested in this country are people in hospital. From here on in, stats on numbers of infected people are useless. Now excuse me as I'm off to panic buy five bananas.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 06:19 PM

If you are immunosuppresent drugs, CDC says sit tight for now and don't change things until notified.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 05:14 PM

Things are beginning to look serious... the latest from Peston on ITN News.

Looks like there might be quite a few of us here with time on our hands pretty soon....

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 04:10 PM

People with mild symptoms who self-isolate are not being tested. Many will have the virus. Therefore it's pointless to keep posting about the number tested. Cheers.

Funny the uk government sees fit to update numbers at 2pm daily.
Is it simply a myth that the world is turning upside down because of a declared pandemic and is reacting to what an exteacher regards as pointless numbers? Those that are asymptomatic or suffering mildly   cannot be quantified, but in terms of treatment are unimportant. The rate of increase of hospitalisations, the numbers requiring acute care and the mortality rate are the vital numbers for maximising the use of resources and driving planning measures to attempt to control the rate of increase.
Perhaps our keyboard warrior feels he should be in charge. No doubt he would use a Ouija board as a planning tool as hard data is "pointless."

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 02:30 PM

Not a single case here in Norfolk so far. But in Tesco and Morrisons this morning, entire shelves were empty of rice, toilet rolls and any sort of cleaning fluid/disinfectant. We weren't looking for those things anyway, but the check-out lady said the shop had been going like a fair all week, with trolleys piled high with 'prepping' goods.
Mad.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 12:08 PM

People with mild symptoms who self-isolate are not being tested. Many will have the virus. Therefore it's pointless to keep posting about the number tested. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 11:47 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/world/gallery/coronavirus-empty-spaces/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 10:32 AM

As of 9am on 14 March 2020, 37,746 people have been tested in the UK, of which 36,606 were confirmed negative and 1,140 were confirmed as positive. 21 patients who tested positive for COVID-19 have died.

For those of a conspiracy bent:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-covid-19-made-in-china-or-made-in-america/5706272

Interestingly Graham Vanbergen, mentioned as a serious journalist on the uk politics thread, is a frequent contributor to GlobalResearch.
Just sayin like.
As an aside, the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, in Fort Detrick, Md. was closed back in August.
Safety concerns have led the government to shut down research involving dangerous microbes like the Ebola virus.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 10:30 AM

Two weeks ago President Shitbird was declaring it a Democratic Hoax, even while it was raging in other parts of the world and instead of organizing a response to it he has been mostly spreading misinformation about it before and since. His main concern in this regard is his reelection, which is his "stay" out of jail free card. He is behaving the exact opposite of the way of a president should in time of crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 10:15 AM

"The virus will not have a chance against us" (Donald Trump)...why did so many vote for him?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 08:55 AM

BEWARE OF VIRUS CLICKBAIT emails/sites
You could get a virus/malware.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Mar 20 - 06:38 AM

I've just had a thought. Apologies if it has been mooted before in this thread/parish But...............

How about all those who have had COVD-19 and have long (enough) survived to be (tested &) conscripted to do necessary jobs in quarantined areas?

A sort of GetUback initiative. Restart society & the economy.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 08:22 PM

The last US sport standing (with special Presidental exception) is
the UFC.
There are No CNN hoax wimps in the UFC https://www.ticketmaster.com/ultimate-fighting-championship-ufc-tickets/artist/806762

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 11:08 AM

The 2 types of Corona indicate a recent mutation
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 10:46 AM

As of 9am on 13 March 2020, 32,771 people have been tested in the UK, of which 31,973 were confirmed negative and 798 were confirmed as positive. 10 patients who tested positive for COVID-19 have died.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 08:05 AM

In case anyone hasn't seen it here is the CDC on preventing the spread of the virus-

click

and this is what they say regarding hand cleaning-

Clean your hands often

Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, especially after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing; going to the bathroom; and before eating or preparing food. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol, covering all surfaces of your hands and rubbing them together until they feel dry.

Soap and water are the best option if hands are visibly dirty. Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 06:59 AM

Burial pits for Covid 19 victims in Iran are so large they are seen frum space.
It is clear to see prayer has not worked.

perhaps it is working.

World wars often take the lives of our young men.
Finally the old men who ordered attacks will be on the front lines.
Sorry about the collateral damage to the women.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 06:35 AM

The paucity came from the top. Trump ordered HLS to slow the testing because it would only raise the numbers he wanted tp haee to show his victory over the walled off virus. The time to fight over this will come.
WE ARE SHUT DOWN, SCHOOLS ARE SHUT DOWN AND TELEWORK BEGINS monday

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 05:39 AM

My sis is a brilliant bridge player, and gives master classes several times a week, in addition to playing in tournaments etc. She's quite worried about the virus being transferred onto the playing cards.
A smelly old bloke plays in her local bridge club. He wipes his nose on his sleeve and smells horrible. She found the poor old sod rummaging among the large biscuit tin to find his favourites, and nearly had a fit! She reckons the bridge meetings will soon be put on hold (there are cases of the virus in Tayside already)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 05:31 AM

Is a huge bloom a Bloomberg?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 04:51 AM

Low dose Asprin (acetylsalicylic acid) has been shown to reduce the risk of certain cancers. Apparently it reduces the number of platelets which thins the blood, and it reduces inflammation.
No surprise it has benefits with COVID-19. There is a risk with bleeding in the stomach which is mostly related to other underlying conditions like ulcers though.

Dammed for what you do and dammed for what you don't
As long as they give a damn. They wanted the job, it comes with approbation, they can take it. If it helps us, we the sufferers, the funders, the workers, to get through the day - so be it. There are no clean neat solutions here, it will be messy. There will be mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 04:27 AM

With the paucity of accurate information, making meaningful decisions is the stuff of nightmares. Some reports say a person can be infectious up to 10 days before exhibiting symptoms, some say the virus is viable on certain surfaces for up to 3 days.
Some experts say the UK situation is perhaps two or three weeks behind Italy.
Kids are a source of infection both in and out of school. The infection is out there so reducing the rate of spread is the only game in town.
Any government facing this crisis will encounter accusations of too little too late. Other experts say "act too soon and you will simply cry wolf and be ignored".
This is a very different situation to sitting in a bunker trying to dodge a direct hit. It will rely on self policing to an extent and those worthy of a Darwin award will ignore all advice and be a potential risk to themselves and others. How do you deal with that?

A pandemic
A market crash
an oil price collapse
A perfect storm.(all sorts of bad news can be safely buried)


and a minor concern. How resilient will the internet be with all these people working from home?

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 12:25 AM

It looks like mg was right to worry about the disposal of infected bodies:

Italian man pleads with authorities to collect sister's body during coronavirus

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Helen
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 12:18 AM

Well said, pfr:

"Govt's are putting too much faith in the intelligence and altruism of our populations..."

Lucky you weren't on one of these trains:

People stuffed onto a train in Tokyo, Japan

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 10:37 PM

I had to venture out on a train today to see my mum...

As I got off at my destination,
I saw the young woman ticket collector/seller openly cough into her bare hand...

Govt's are putting too much faith in the intelligence and altruism of our populations...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 08:04 PM

Blooms will occur no matter what. They simply could be smaller than a possibly exponentially huge boom.
20% vs 60% bloom

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: matt milton
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 06:46 PM

"As could a strategy of delay. Dammed for what you do and dammed for what you don't. You would need to be able to walk the high wire for this particular game."

Yes indeed, not an easy decision. I have a lot of respect for Whitty but my intuition is that the government are not taking enough action here. Personally I think all businesses that have the capacity for their employees to work from home should tell them to. This strikes me as the least economically painful containment strategy. I think the government should have strongly recommended all UK businesses do so.

I would also be looking at ways to re-skill or provide useful activity to businesses, sole traders, shopkeepers, small one-person operations that will be put out of business (either temporarily or permanently) while everyone is at home.

I think I would probably delay closing schools, as the gov have done. But it is a massive gamble. The government are clearly gambling on corona cases not spiralling out of control before the Easter holidays and some kind of breathing space until summer holidays.

This could go disastrously wrong if cases increase exponentially as they have in Italy; it would mean schools would eventually have to close with thousands more people infected (and hence the most vulnerable being much more at risk than they would have been if more drastic action had been taken sooner)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 06:02 PM

As long as I have a cup of coffee...

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 05:56 PM

If there are any preppers reading this, would toilet rolls be the top of your list for a "must have" in readiness for armageddon?

Back in the late 70s, anti-nuclear activists took a look inside some of the observation posts the state had positioned around cities that were expected to get nuked. Among the supplies provided to the observers while they were radioing reports back and waiting to die were tins of toilet paper.

British efficiency would probably have meant some of them didn't get a tin opener.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: mg
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 05:18 PM

i don't think we'll starve in us but we might be eating a lot of soybeans. but i worry about if truckers start to get quarantined. certain stores? I take the wipes the stores leave out and wipe down everything I can. talked to UPS driver yesterday and asked about their pens etc. and she said they don't have to use them now. thank heavens. wash hands after getting mail. i was at post office yesterday and wanted to ask what they were doing..not so much as a sign up anywhere. i ask everywhere i go what are they doing. my grocery nearby is going to list all precautions she is taking..hope it drives busines her way. she said all people who came in one day last week were from seattle.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 05:14 PM

If there are any preppers reading this, would toilet rolls be the top of your list for a "must have" in readiness for armageddon? Or could it be that MRE's are really that bad. I have noticed baked beans have taken a hammering off the shelves also. However shelves of spam and corned beef are relatively unscathed. Strange priorities!

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 04:43 PM

Lower petrol prices. So if people are laid off and unable to go to work, it will be even cheaper to stay at home?????? Latest craziness at my end - people are bulk buying flour!!!! I get through a packet, usually, every 2-3 months. I wish people would get it into their heads there are no shortages - it is just that sore managers are failing to bring in sufficient stock to meet the unprecedented demand - ie 30 times the normal toilet roll deliveries if they are selling a months stock in a day.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 01:42 PM

The chief medical officer for England, Professor Chris Whitty, has said behavioural science shows that if you start very tough measures too early people's enthusiasm will run out and if that happens at the peak.

He warned this strategy could have catastrophic effects.

As could a strategy of delay. Dammed for what you do and dammed for what you don't. You would need to be able to walk the high wire for this particular game.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 12:51 PM

House Covid 19 economic Bill proposal:

$1 billion in food assistance
$5 million emergency paid sick leave
Expand Social Securty
Expand unemployment insurance
Require virus testing

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 12:09 PM

The Prez OPPOSES the house corona virus bill that $upports people who are laid off or unable to phone in work, instead he says lower gas prices will put money in people's empty pockets.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 12:01 PM

UK response to Covid-19 labelled ‘pathetic’.

An expert’s opinion of the UK’s handling of the epidemic so far - doesn’t fill you with confidence, does it?

(Professor John Ashton CBE is a former lecturer and professor of public health at Southampton/London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and the University of Liverpool Medical School - Wikipedia)

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 11:12 AM

As of 9am on 12 March 2020, 29,764 people have been tested in the UK, of which 29,174 were confirmed negative and 590 were confirmed as positive. Eight patients who tested positive for COVID-19 have died.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 09:49 AM

Our Alliance Française has cancelled everything. UVa is not holding classes oon campus. The branch of UVa I am hoping to teach for in the fall has cancelled everything for the spring. I am waiting to see what else is going under the chopper...

Subject: RE: BS: the last 3 standing
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 09:08 AM

Cruise ships are forbidden to dock in Venice.

The health system is under immense strain in Lombardy, a northern region of 10 million people where Milan is the main city. Regional hospitals are running short of beds and treating patients in corridors.

The health ministry says the average age of deaths from the coronavirus is 81.4 years.

Italy has one of the world's oldest populations. The virus is particularly dangerous for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

World Health Organization (WHO) chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has praised Italy for making "genuine sacrifices".

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 07:54 AM

11.35am update: Ireland lockdown

Irish Prime Minister, Leo Varadkar has announced emergency measures following the outbreak of the coronavirus.

Mr Varadkar announced all schools, colleges and childcare facilities in Ireland will now be closed until March 29.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 06:03 PM

No aspirin is not a cure but the right protease cutter would be.
Do not try this at home, protease cutters are tricky.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:40 PM

No audiences for March Madness tournments
NBA?
Universities are closing down
NO declaration of National State of Emeregncy for pandemicc, which 'he' did for a caravan of immigrants

Belittling, name calling and tweets doesn't seem to work on virus'.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:39 PM

A friend raised an interesting point tonight. On 7th May we have elections for London Mayor and London Assembly representatives. Should people who have been advised to self-isolate forgo their democratic right to vote and/or should the UK government be putting emergency proxy measures in place? - I can't see the latter happening as low voter turnouts tend to favour the tory party.

Subject: RE: BS: New rules for the coming pandemic
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:27 PM

Pandademic
I wish.