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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Mar 20 - 08:29 PM Now let me tell you summat, moderator dear. Iains put up a terrible post inviting us to clap our hands ("If you're happy and you know it..." that one...the most despicably inhuman post ever to appear on this website, on a day when UK deaths passed one thousand). I responded to that, but you saw fit to delete both his post and my response. Grand. It's your gig, not mine. But I have an opinion on what you've done. You've protected a horrible man, that's what you've done. You don't want him exposed for what he is. I conclude that he chimes with your own personal opinion, whichever of the three you are. We Brits, some of us, have often suspected that you share Iains' extreme right-wing views. Good for you. It's a free country. If you think I've got that wrong, please tell this forum, with your reasons. Not with with one of your usual silly addenda, but with a proper post, like what WE all have to do. They'd better be good reasons. He has clearly crossed the red line, but, from here, it looks like you can't see it. You got rid of Teribus and akenaton because they got up YOUR nose (don't deny it...I have your PMs...), but you're perfectly happy, even deliriously so, to see this idiot getting up OUR noses. In fact, you appear to revel in it. You moan and groan about us Brits "squabbling" (your latest tiresome buzzword), but, actually, you love it, don't you? You think that we'll all get so fed up that we'll leave this website to you precious yanks. Well, this ain't no democracy, but even you can't bring about about. So, fer chrissake, get rid of Iains. He's poison, you know it, but what you don't seem to realise is that he is bringing this website into disrepute. Do delete this post out of your embarrassment. But I've copied it, and I might just send it to your boss. he hasn't heard from me yet, and I do know how to put things. Nighty night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:31 AM New British Summertime resolution Steve The moderators have been made fully aware of this feller's political connections and the possibility that he has been planted here by them, but are under fairly clear instructions not to do anything about him - we can all draw our own conclusions as to why that is - even Max seems to have been persuaded that there's no harm in him I doubt if anybody believes that they are unable to do anything to stop him - they deal with those of us who try to stop him damn quick enough and they've closed more threads than they left open on his behalf Can I suggest that we give Baccy and Dave's suggestion that we try Dave's way and blank him completely a try - send him to Coventry, totally ignore him, boycott him, leave him to wallow in his own swill, ignore him, pretend he isn't there (he isn't really anyway)... He is what he is, were not going to change him and nobody who counts follows him, and he knows it, so he settles for second best and just fucks up interesting threads that he doesn't understand till he gets them closed (with our help) Let's not help him any more - radio silence when we're in enemy territory it what they're always saying on 'Talking Pictures' let's hope we haven't done too much damage and we get the decent posters like Dave and Baccy back posting regularly and maybe some decent Government supporters who appear to not want to be tarred by his brush - fingers crossed This will possibly be deleted, but I'll post it around an usual if it is Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:46 AM I cannot find a single reference to THIS in the 'Free - World Press, yet the report is five days old THIS seems to have avoided the headlines to a great extent too Cuba always has had an record for medical excellence (they believe in keeping those they "oppress" healthy, it seemd :-) ) Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:46 AM I cannot find a single reference to THIS in the 'Free - World Press, yet the report is five days old THIS seems to have avoided the headlines to a great extent too Cuba always has had an record for medical excellence (they believe in keeping those they "oppress" healthy, it seemd :-) ) Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:41 AM "Eight days is a lot less than two weeks." The decision was made a week before as was the British one, and the schools prepared to close - as I said, two weeks The decision to close the schools in Northern Ireland were even later, even though it was suspected that a teacher had died of the virus Stop wriggling and nit-picking - your Government had lagged behind behind from the word go So you want to calculate the "two weeks" by taking the time between Ireland making a decision, and England implementing a decision. Definitely 'creative accounting'. And I think it should be clear who is doing the 'wriggling'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Mar 20 - 04:55 AM From: Jim Carroll - PM Date: 29 Mar 20 - 03:46 AM I cannot find a single reference to THIS in the 'Free - World Press, yet the report is five days old Yet more disinformation. This was reported by the Telegraph six days ago: Here A brigade of doctors and nurses from Cuba have flown to Italy this weekend to help fight coronavirus – Italy is now the centre of the global crisis. It’s not the first time Cuba has been part of a global medical response, since 1959 it’s sent six groups of “armies of white robes” to tackle diseases abroad. The Cubans were applauded on arrival. Or The Daily Mail two days ago or March 22nd New York Times |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:04 AM Ireland lays on flight to China for PPE as nearly 25% of Covid-9 victims are health care workers. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0329/1127076-ppe-equipment-china/ 50% of EU PPE is exported from China and 71 percent of EU imports of mouth-nose-protective equipment. According to official Chinese customs data released on March 25, Chinese exports of PPE to the world declined by only 15 percent in the first two months of 2020, relative to the same period in 2019, Notable is that China’s exports of these medical products declined less than the rest of its exports to the world, which fell by 17 percent during the same period. Globalism and interruption oflong supply chains means strategic manufacturing goals need a rapid revision when this crisis permits it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:06 AM Well as that came from you, Jim, I'll buy it. I'll ignore the resident ratbag completely from now on. Though, I must say, the powers that be here are extremely remiss in allowing him to abuse us. They moan and groan about us Brits but they appear to revel in Iains' disreputable presence. Anyway, nuff said. Grrr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Barb'ry Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:16 AM Hi everyone I wanted to introduce myself as the British mod in the group. For my sins, I have taken on British posts on Mudcat... Just to let you know that nothing much will change and hate speech, racism, name calling etc will be shut down. If anyone has a problem with that, please let me know ;-). Civil (ish) discussions, please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: DMcG Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:25 AM You have my sympathies, Barb'ry. Best wishes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:26 AM Thish should be blazoned over every headline in Britain Nigel n order to encourage the practice and thnk the donors for their generosity The two papers are to be congratulated fro covering it but why was it announced by all of them ? It wasn't misinformation - it was lack of same - I didn't see it at the time and it never appeared on the British news I don'd spread "misinformation" I leave that to the like of Guido Still nitpicking about how many weeks behind your Government is, I see Hi Barb'ry - welcome to Hell Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:32 AM a post removed was my complaint that iain's response of 'if you are happy and you know it clap your hands' when i had just posted about the death of our friend was incredibly insensitive. in the current situation when all of us are anxious and could do with support from each other (and anywhere!) this is the response of a madman - or a psychopath. i don't get this 'lets all ignore him' stuff - we -and certainly I - have done this often enough. please, gie's peace - cut him off so he can go and shout his bile to the winds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:32 AM Sorry Jim, I must have misunderstood. When you said: I cannot find a single reference to THIS in the 'Free - World Press, yet the report is five days old I inferred (wrongly it seems) that you had looked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 29 Mar 20 - 05:37 AM Sensible words from ex PM Blair Disinformation from Guido? Watch the video and decide https://order-order.com/2020/03/29/blair-pm-perfectly-able-lead-country-isolation/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:05 AM "I inferred (wrongly it seems) that you had looked." I had and I did not find anyhting which might say something \about Google of course You are didging the fact that if was under-reported by the British media - thwe level of reporting of this was tantamount to describing the sigking of the Titanic as "Boat Flounders Somewhere Else" Maybe you can ut me right about the fact that the only reference to Trump having demanded that all Cuban offers of assistance be rejected in the British Press came from the Communist 'Morning Star' If anything, it is far more important to know that Trump (and presumably his allies of which our Government is a front-rummer) are likely to turn down offers of assistance at a time like this if they don't approve of the benefactor's politics Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:15 AM Good luck, Barb'ry. On the basis that you will remove obviously provocative nonsense like "Jeremy Corbyn caused everyone to spread the virus", I am happy to get back in the water. Hopefully we can now discuss politics in an adult manner without the infantile rhetoric that we have been suffering. Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:25 AM Fine, so a labour government under she who sounds like Coronation Street cleaner would be more appropriate to deal with the Coronavirus .....discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:51 AM You could start by deleting the clearly provocative post at 06:25 AM, Barb’ry. Good luck! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 29 Mar 20 - 06:59 AM or 6.15 unless proof is offered. Otherwise it is an extremely provocative statement |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:08 AM See what I mean about provocative nonsense, Barb'ry? Bonzo. Firstly, defining someone by their gender, social status or regional accent is stereotyping at its worse. Your crass insult to an intelligent young woman is not political comment. It is simply a means to cause friction. Secondly, neither Corbyn nor his as yet unnamed successor are in any position to change current government policy. As has been pointed out Boris has a massive majority and can do whatever he choses. With that power comes great responsibility and whatever he does now is entirely down to him. Justifying any mistakes that Johnson may make by comparing him with someone who cannot possibly gain power for almost 5 years is not just whataboutism but sheer fantasy. It adds nothing to the discussion and helps no-one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 20 - 07:59 AM I couldn't agree more, Pete. The removal of posts expressing JUSTIFIED outrage at this horrible man just protects him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Barb'ry Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:01 AM You see I will be damned if I do and damned if I don't so a difficult situation to say the least. The post at 06.25 along with other 'ism' posts perhaps say more about the poster than the comment. Not nice but there as a lasting witness to one's written opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:23 AM Sorry people - this is just falling back into this feller's trap again - onward and upward eh ?? Ireland is due to take delivery of the first of a large order of ventilaors and medical equipment from China on Tuesday or Wednesday - Dyson has yet to begin their manufacture Please try to keep up Boris Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:24 AM Well as long as you stamp on abuse and stay consistent you'll get support here. You've posted to Mudcat just three times in the last almost-six years. I hope you've been a damn good lurker! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: peteglasgow Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:24 AM no sane person would damn you if you do. there is a law against hate speech you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Iains Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:27 AM It would seem fair to me that with the overwhelming majority of posts on this thread finding fault with every action the government is taking, then it is right that the question be asked as to how the Opposition would deal with the multiplicity of problems presented. There are no standard texts on how to deal with this pandemic, PPE gear is not stockpiledon a scale to meet the sudden dramatic increase in demansd, Test kits specific for a given virus or set of antibodies do not sit in wharehouses to meet a sudden demand. The figures to use for planning purposes are largely from models. The entire planning process is on the fly and reacting to constantly changing circumstances. This is not a flawless process. As Eisenhower said:Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. There is a very great distinction because when you are planning for an emergency you must start with this one thing: the very definition of “emergency” is that it is unexpected, therefore it is not going to happen the way you are planning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:28 AM Agreed, Barb'ry, but that post was not just an 'ism'. It was an underhanded dig at the social status and gender of Rebecca Long-Bailey. I know it to be so because he has made the same comment before. It's the same as the other poster referring to Dianne Abbott as the abbottamus because of her ethnic background and, to my mind, just as hateful. May I suggest it is worth starting with a clean sheet? Close this thread and start a new one entitled. "UK politics. Moderated". Maybe the first post could be by you detailing what is permissible and what will be summarily deleted. Just a thought |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Doug Chadwick Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:29 AM Fine, so a labour government under she who sounds like Coronation Street cleaner .... I know it can only be one of two people but, as TV soaps pass me by, the reference to Coronation Street doesn't give me any clue as to which one. Would anyone care to enlighten me? DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:40 AM Just tweeted to the Beeb's #SongsOfPraise: a CEO in Japan earns about 10 times more than the company's lowest paid; in Europe, 30 times; & in the USA > 300 times more! So why copy their way of setting Christian words to American pop? God knows, we should worship OUR trad ways; "Nationalism without Conquest" |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:42 AM See my post just above yours, Doug. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Doug Chadwick Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:52 AM Hmm? I don't normally associate double-barrelled names with cleaners. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 08:55 AM Nor me, Doug. He is referring to her being a woman from a working class background with a Manchester accent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:01 AM Correct!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Doug Chadwick Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:09 AM Oh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:22 AM Margaret Thatcher was a working-class woman with a Lincolnshire accent (until she married well and worked on changing her accent to ‘posh’). So......?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Mar 20 - 09:42 AM Changing her accent to normal I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 10:02 AM "I hope you've been a damn good lurker! ;-)" I hope you don't mean Lurcher - I've told you how I feel about cruel sports Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 20 - 10:03 AM How would you know? I thought that people in Cr*yd*n had yet to evolve past grunting at each other.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 20 - 10:04 AM That was to Bonzo Doo Dah. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Date: 29 Mar 20 - 10:50 AM I used to think they people with the double-barrelled names were incredibly honest, if perhaps a bit too forthright. My misunderstanding was that their mothers weren't sure who their fathers were, but that it was in each case a choice between two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 11:00 AM ABCD - :-) Bonzo. You are aware that women have had the vote for quite a while aren't you? You should also know that it was the working class of Manchester that were instrumental in getting votes for all at Peterloo just over 200 years ago. Assuming you do know all of this and that you do not really believe that gender, place of birth of social status disqualify anyone from being a political leader, then your comments are just made to wind people up. In that case, they can be ignored. If you do believe that such things make people any different then you are deluded and can be ignored for that. Win-win! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Mar 20 - 11:23 AM I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong!!! Dum de dum, I have to go for daily allowed exercise with Dreamy dog the greyhound while the sun is shining!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:09 PM You have done that one before, Bonzo. Yesterday I think. And there is nothing for you to agree or disagree with. I do have a question though Do you really believe that a young, well educated northern woman should be excluded from leadership because of her gender, background or accent? Or are you just winding people up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:36 PM "Or are you just winding people up?" What took you so long Dave He's been doing that for years Do you really think anybody is that stupid ? Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Stanron Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:40 PM Jim Carroll wrote: Do you really think anybody is that stupid ?The whole of the Labour platform is based on the assumption that the electorate is stupid.
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:43 PM You are aware that women have had the vote for quite a while aren't you? You should also know that it was the working class of Manchester that were instrumental in getting votes for all at Peterloo just over 200 years ago. Peterloo was hardly about 'votes for all'. More about votes for all men. As you say, women have had the vote (UK) for quite a while, but not that long. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:45 PM I really want to know, Jim. If he is just winding people up, his posts can be safely removed or ignored. If he genuinely believes that people are inferior because they are either women or northern, he is dangerous and should be treated accirdingly. Stanron. Would you care to explain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: punkfolkrocker Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:48 PM "The post at 06.25 along with other 'ism' posts perhaps say more about the poster than the comment. Not nice but there as a lasting witness to one's written opinions." Barb'ry - This post of your's is as far as I've caught up reading this thread today.. [a lazy Sunday afternoon in bed..] So, if you can continue to adopt this approach to modding, as opposed to the inconsistent gratuitous deleting we have put up with for far to long. Then you are a mod I should get along with ok ... I've always argued for leaving damning posts in place for posterity, so bad folks who write bad things can no longer have it swept under the carpet for them, and conveniently forgotten... cheers.. pfr |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: punkfolkrocker Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:51 PM Now to try catching up reading the rest of this thread.. I may be some time... [hopefully a minimum of deletions, so what's left is not too confusing, and has some reasonable continuity that makes sense to a reader...???] |
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Subject: RE: BS: UK politics. Last ditch attempt From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Mar 20 - 12:51 PM Votes for all men had to come first, Nigel. Sad but true. Without votes for all men we would never had got votes for all women as well. Peterloo was a major turning point in achieving votes for all no matter how many nits you pick. |