BS: Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 08:22 PM

Well, there shoud be a few more songs here, I think.The one I'd like tompost is Posions Beer, wich dopesn't seem to be in the DT. Buit all I can remember is part of the chorus:

Fancy calling it "Poison", narsty names like "Poison Beer," with that I carn't agree. For I've drunk gallons and gallons and gallons of beer - and it never did poison me

So maybe someone who knows the rest off it can share it with us.

As for beer - I used to think I hated lager, and then I went on a town twinning trip to the Czech Republic, and tried the stuff they make there.

I'm surprised noone mentioned Czech beer. Wonderful stuff - lots of varieties, and I'd love to work at finding out which are the best. There's one called Radegast which they make in Moravia, in a if modern pant, but it tastes as good as the older breweries - but you can't seem to get it over here.

And they make the real Budweiser - Budweiser Budvar they ghave to call it, because there's that stuff they make in Amwerica which uses the name as well. But the Budweiser Budvar bears no resemblance to that at all, except in colour.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 07:45 PM

Mbo, thanks. It's been years since I heard it sung. Last time was by a great band called Pigbone (who also had great promo posters), I often wonder what happened to them. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bobby's girl
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 02:16 PM

I have to agree that Timothy Taylor's Landlord is one of the best, but I'm surprised to see (unless I've missed it) that no-one's mentioned Theakstons Old Peculier - not only is it a great beer, it's got a really good song written about it by Keith Marsden, and sung by Cockersdale!

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mbo
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:09 PM

Mooh, "I Like Beer" is by Tom. T. Hall. I sang it on HearMe on Wednesday night. Good song. You can get the lyrics & chords here.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:53 PM

Questions...

Who wrote/performed "I like Beer" (it makes me feel mellow etc)?

Why are hangovers much worse with lousy preservative-ridden beer than with homebrew or "pure" beer?

I have a tres cool beer mug of hand thrown pottery which I purchased from the Creemore brewery. It holds over two beers for fewer trips to the fridge. What do YOU like to drink from?

Still thirsty, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gervase
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 10:57 AM

England's better draught beers are indeed grand, but I'm a big fan of mixing bottle and draught, or just plain mixing.
Adnams Old and bitter mixed half and half (known locally, naturally, as 'the mother-in-law') is one of winter's joys. On the other hand, years ago, in a chilly wooden-walled club in Lowestoft I used to refuel on a mix of Guinness and barley wine (lethal), or the odd Dog's Nose (a shot of gin in a pint of bitter) Right now it's a bottle of Worthington White Shield (with all the yeast at the bottom) And it's grand - crisp, dry and nutty.
But whatever beer you like - and it's as individual as taste in music; after all, some poor benighted heathens choose to drink processed crud as well as listen to it - keep enjoying it and singing its praises!
Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: coriander
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 03:56 AM

This thread made me peer mournfully in the fridge at the solitary bottle of cheap French lager that somehow found its way there!

I'd vote for London Pride, Old Speckled Hen, Hogsback TEA, and always look for Robinsons Old Tom when at beer festivals!

I am possibly the only beer drinker in Sussex who doesn't particularly rate Harveys.....

cori

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Terry K
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:59 AM

I've been blessed with living near St Albans (the home of CAMRA) these past 30 years so have been spoilt for choice in drinking "real" beers. As an ex-Northerner, I can tell you that this "northern beer is best" myth is a lot of bollox (and probably always was).

Most places I go in the north these days seem to live on top pressure, hence earlier references to John Smith's Smooth, Ruddles (now brewed by a supermarket conglomerate brewer in Abingdon) and, Lord preserve us, that p**s heavily marketed under the name Boddington's.

The best remain;

Adnams (every time, but so rare except around Southwold) London Pride (readily available and reliable) CBB (but watch for similarly named top pressure) Youngs (but mainly served in London pubs, most of which don't give a stuff about condition).

Guinness or Murphy's is my favourite weekend lunchtime brew - usually apres-golf. There is a disturbing trend towards something which looks similar, called Beamish, which is awful.

Many people think because Guinness is black it must be heavy and strong - it is neither, just very smooth, light and refreshing. It is better in Ireland but I believe that is mainly contextual rather than any real difference in taste.

All in all, the brewing industry is in really bad shape as more and more of the old brands become tools in the hands of the marketing men and mundane products seem to be the order of the day. And all of the "foreign" lager is now brewed in the UK under licence so it all now tastes the same.

Enough.

Cheers, Terry.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Rollo
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 01:20 AM

Good Toppick, dizz. Ba - Bear, I meen.

Dshust hand me anuffer un, willya?

And here's my collection of wisdom:

When you're in Hamburg/Germany, don't drink "Holsten", drink "Astra". It's a question of beeing on the right side. You might be seen while drinking your beer.

Someone mentioned "Wiesenbier"? Forget it, you'll need liters and liters to filter some taste of that stuff.

Guinness? the Danish can do better. There are some really good "Stowt" coming from there. But they also have an excellent Pilsner called "Fuglsang".

Never touch that Stuff from Cologne. They say in Cologne drinking some "Koelsch" is like angels urinating on your tongue. I believe it's not so far from the truth. Colognians might have to explain a lot if ever someone finds out what's happening behind their brewery doors.

Man should try those strong "Starkbier" (strong beer), because beyound 12 % vol.alc there starts a new beer experience. Have you ever been experienced? But my alltime favorite is a bitter beer from Dortmund called "Hoevels". Dark and tasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Metchosin
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:32 AM

I love Kilkenny.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:32 AM

Homebrew for me. I make a mean Honey Wheat Ale.

Guinness is the secret of life. It is not overated. My die-in-the-wool New York City father-in-law made a trip to Ireland last month and finally understands what I have been talking about.

I can think of nothing more delightful then sitting in a pub with a nice poured pint and a wonderful session. That is where I want to spend my final hours!!

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:28 AM

Grand Crus BEER?

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:17 AM

wouldn't you know BEER would get 60 messages in one day!...*grin*

I live in an area where I can find bottled beer from all over the world, and have 600-700 different emptys to remind me of my sins!...I do love Sam Smiths...and Belgian Ales...and chewy Stouts and Porters...I'd be hard put to choose one favorite. There is, however a brewery in Texas that I'd love to live next door to; and they make this..Celis Grand Cru ......and several others from recipes developed in Belgium...YUM!

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 12:06 AM

I like lagers and I like them really cold. German beers generally have good snap, and I like a touch of the skunk in them. St Pauli and Beck's lagers are great on a warm day. Carlsberg also is a good crisp lager with a clean finish. Most American Micros are a bit sweet for my taste although two Colorado brews are as good as any: Fat Tire and Breckenridge's Avalanche (though inconsistant batch-to-batch). The best Mexican light lager is Dos Equis light, and I have no clue as to the popularity of Corona- seems wholly dependant on the quality of the lime. Some Mexican amber beers are very good. Both Bohemia and Negro Modelo hold their own with any German dark beers. I think English Bitter Ale is terrific. I enjoy Boddington's, Flower's, Adnam's Broadside, and Newkie Brown.

Having said all that, I will confess that the best beer I've had in ages was a frigid Budweiser draw served in a frosted mug in a dusty hot bar in Clayton, New Mexico by a beautiful Spanish girl.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: JenEllen
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:16 PM

In addition to the black stuff at the Keg and Cork, I've grown quite fond of this place and their Nut Brown Ale.

Explosion story? A few years ago after apple-cider pressing, my friend Nate tried to make some 'atomic cider' in a crock in the pantry.....I really miss him. :)

~Elle

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:12 PM

ok i am gonna add another one too ! you folks ever tried red dragon? now that is a cool summertime beer its a bit sweet but it does the job double quick time !

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:02 PM

Thanks, bobjr. Sorry if I came across upset.

In the meantime, I'll add another... Snakebites!

Half guiness, half really good cider.

Sacriledge to the guiness people, sacriledge to the cider people, but heaven if you're up for that kind of thing.

M

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:25 PM

jon

know what you mean

worst i got was a measure of scotch in a half of cider

but not for 30 years

good luck to ya

cheers

bill

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:18 PM

Looney brews - "Blastaway", Diamond White cider and a Castaway is the most potent I can think of. Also, "Snake Bite, any bitter and any cider gets to most people.

As for me, I'm coming out of a very alcholic period of my life and while I still enjoy a couple of pints, I am steering clear of that sort of drink and most of the time I just settle for a couple of cans at home - I hope do manage to keep it under control and don't go back to what I had been doing.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:07 PM

half pint of bottled abbot+half pint st. edmunds ale

i defy anyone to have more than 3 pints

known locally as loony brew

cheers

bil

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:07 PM

PS
I personally prefer a frigid Heinekins.That is,in addition to the vile black stuff.
rr

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:04 PM

bobjr,
to repeat my comment from the "worst car"thread, the reason the British like warm beer is because they have Lucas refrigeration systems.
rr

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:00 PM

sean m you folks here do a wonderful job i didnt mean to sound cranky i was trying to be funny but i guess i need to work on it! anyways now i have to take umbridge with people who say that bear aint good cold. if you live somewhere where it aint hot like england then you dont need the cooling effects of a frosty cold one but where i live it gets damn hot and beers got to be cold and plentiful and nobody ever ask to have an egg put in it. i like corona with a lime slice squeezed into it. think i will go get me one right now! cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: rangeroger
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 07:48 PM

To keep this thread somewhat on a musical note, John Prine does a song on his "German Afternoons" CD called "Out of Love" The lyrics are made up of beer commercial slogans.
rr

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Gary T
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:36 PM

Richard, I've had some chili beer (home-brewed) and it wasn't too bad. Wouldn't be my first choice, for it is indeed strange as you say--I think it would take some getting used to.

The mention of bitters reminds me that I enjoy Foster's Bitter (comes in the large "oil can" here in the States). Unfortunately it's hard to find, while their lager (boring) is readily available.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:19 PM

I tend to avoid the "killers" - all those strong bitters. Why drink one pint of those when you can drink 3 of something less strong? Which is why I tend not to do cider (that and the indigestion which seems to go with the apple acid).

No-one has mentioned "Flagship" beer brewed in Chatham dockyard, and they shoud have done. The beer is good and the names are exotic - including in particular "Frigging in the Rigging".

For the strangest tasting stuff (not nasty, just different, and very different indeed when relieving oneself after several) the vote would have to go to the USA fo Crazy Ed's Chilli beer.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:07 PM

I normally drink Guinness if I go out and I think it is a nice pint in the UK but not as good as the Dublin brewed stuff. With regards temperature, I think that Guinness does need to be a little colder than a real ale but the Guinness Extra Cold that a lot of pubs round here offer is too cold.

Some of my favourite bitters: Ruddles County, Abbot Ale, Bass, Norton Old Hookey, Wadsworth 6X.

Worst bitters; Robinsons, Wherry.

For something to drink at home, I am quite fond of Newcastle Brown and McEwan's Export.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 05:32 PM

As far as I'm concerned Guiness is only worth drinking while breastfeeding and should never be drunk cold!!! In fact no beer should be served cold except lager but that doesn't count and has to be drunk cold to hide the flavour. My favourite tipple is a pint of Old Peculiar as the song goes. Also drinking in the Jug which regularly receives awards from CAMRA I can strongly recommend Just 4 U - the house speciality brewed by The Brown Cow brewery in Selby. Their No 4 is also well worth a pint or several and whilst Maiden Over is not my personal favourite it gets the vote of many Juggers.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Hollowfox
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 05:22 PM

bob jr, are you the guest that started this thread? This is the first time I've seen your name (welcome, BTW). For drinking songs, I'd start out with the Tale of Ale CD set, unless you can get to a folk club or festival. This type of song is usually better live than recorded. I can't think of any other recordings devoted solely to the subject of drinking right now, but If I think of any, I'll put it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:48 PM

Wadworth's 6x is wonderful but proportionally less so the furher from Devizes you get....Hogs Back Tea is also fab and only sold aroound here, I think,, ( you can say I'm going for Tea and mean it) and Adnams Broadside is probably my favourite of all time.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:36 PM

Well, Bob Jr, we do our best to answer what we see, and my apologies if you're sincere and haven't had your questions answered. I (and a few other 'catters) been trying to keep unanswered Lyr Req threads refreshed until it's obvious we're all stumped, and Pene Azul especially deserves credit for being a research demon in getting SO MANY questions answered.

As for finding folk singers at a brewery, have you seen the prices at brew pubs lately??? Ain't no way you're gonna catch a folksinger in there unless they're on stage or bussing tables.

And as to folksongs about beer, anyone for a round of "Beer, Beer, Beer"?

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: bob jr
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:32 PM

ive been trying to get some answers bout some folk tunes here and i get some and i dont get others but i guess i should have been asking about beer here and go to the local brewery and see if they got any folk singers there

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: SeanM
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:20 PM

Max, I knew I liked you for good reason.

Sam Smith's just about anything is a good call... the only caveat is that some stores will let it sit out in full light (comes in clear bottles), and it will get a bit skunky in that case.

However, if you deal with reputable beer sellers, the Sam Smith Imperial stout is my all time favorite stout... the Samuel Smith pales are decent, and the Nut Brown Ale is an all around good brew.

Barring that, I've an affinity for Boddington's Pub Ale. Strangeways, here we come, indeed.

M

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Turtle
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 04:16 PM

Ah, Summit! Now that I'm in Minneapolis, that's what I drink too . . . but I sure miss those days back in Vermont when my friend Suze (Susan A-R to you) and I would drink local micro-brews: Magic Hat No. 9, Otter Creek Christmas Porter, and Long Trail Ale . . . those were the days, right Suze?

We used to say there were four food groups: beer, coffee, chocolate, and garlic. We figured they were pretty balanced because two were liquid and two were solid . . . often our goal in an evening or a weekend was to make sure we got to all four food groups . . .

Turtle

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:45 PM

Here in Minnesota, the best local beers are James Page Voyageur Pale Ale and Summit Pale Ale.

Of the nationally distributed beers, I favor Redhook ESB or IPA.

I'm referring to bottled beer you drink at home. Most bars still serve it way too cold.

For more info about Canadian & American "craft" brews, check out the The Real Beer Page.

Here's a quote for you: "Beer is liquid bread. Most American beers are like Wonderbread. What we're brewing here is like a good rye or pumpernickel." -- Mark Stutrud, founder and owner of Summit Brewing Company.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:39 PM

I'm going to mention that wonderful 2 CD set called A Tale of Ale. Of course it features John Barleycorn!

Rana who will be going for a Creemore in a few hours and will be spending the weekend at the London (Ontario) Morris Ale

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Max
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:32 PM

My favorite beer is any that I've never tried before. I think the best I've tried so far are:

1. Sam Smith's Old Brewery Pale Ale
2. Stoudt's American Pale Ale
3. Newcastle Brown

I think the worst beer I ever tried was the Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. Nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,art
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:17 PM

wow 35 messages and no-one's mentioned john barleycorn

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Brendy
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:00 PM

Good to see you back, Micca, and able to sample such wonders. *BG*

B.

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Micca
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 01:56 PM

I personally like many of the products of the Upper Canada brewing Co. in Toronto,, but at he moment I am in awe of one of our recent house guests from the US who was introduced to a Real Ale pub on her 1st visit to London and went for Abbott..and is now firmly converted,this has long been a favourite beer.,, BTW someone above, I think Wadsworths of Devizes, is 6X not 4, and Liz will probably tell you how TOTALLY excellent Tanglefoot is.. and Mrr have you tried Cider as a Quaffing drink? it is Sugar free, if you go for the dry version,( NOT Woodpecker, Spaw thats the brand name not the effect)and Ok for diabetics..

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: paddymac
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:48 PM

Whilst enjoying yer first pint of the weekend, offer up a kind thought in memory of the first man or woman so driven by thirst or hunger as to pick up a bowl of "rotting" barley, thereby securing for all humankind (and bulls in Kobe, Japan) the benefit of one of Creators most magnificent inventions. A true hero of all the nations (and smaller political entities as well)!

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,sledge (as a guest)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:35 PM

My fine lady laid in a bottle of a fullers brew called "1845", rich, dark and 6.3% alchohol, gets my vote so far this year

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:31 PM

I've always wondered about this beer belly thing. Do guys who drink a lot of alcohol get a belly too. Or is it just the beer that makes the belly big?

Little Neo

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Hollowfox
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:29 PM

Yes, exploding homebrew stories...maybe we should start a new thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:10 PM

Dos XX (Equis)....I'm told it's the last remaining example of a Vienna lager.

Mrr...if you've not learned to like beer by now, there's probably a good reason, and I wouldn't force it. Chalk it up to personal preference, as in some people don't like beets. Stick to your mixed drinks and liquor, and drink water when thirsty. (Your kidneys and waistline will probably thank you for it some day)

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Frank B
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 12:07 PM

Yuengling Lager is my choice unless it is not available. Brewed in Pennsylvania, there are other "flavors" which includes a pretty decent Black and Tan, but my favorite is just plain Yuengling Lager, nice Amber color, Rich taste, not overbearing.....I'll stop now, it feels like I'm in the middle of a bad commercial!!

Frank

P.S. Honey Brown is a pretty good local beer as well....

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:54 AM

Well Guest, I guess I'm just not as particular as the rest of these guys. As long as I'm thirsty, and its cold, I'm happy.

Little Neo

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: Mark Clark
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:47 AM

I too am quite partial to Guinness but I'd like to sing the praises of a local brew as well. I've thought for many years that American beer is some of the world's worst. There are no beer purity laws here and it's production (and quality) is close to that of soft carbonated beverages.

There is, however, a brew made a few miles from here called Stone City Iowa Pale Ale that is really good. The Stone City Brewrey began in Stone City, Ia., the subject of Grant Wood's famous painting, but found that the water in their wells was not conducive to the finest brew. They moved their brewrey to the nearby town of Solon and now make an excellent product. If you're driving through Iowa on I-80 on a weekday before 6:00pm it's worth the ten mile detour up Iowa Route 1 to Solon.

Iowa Pale Ale is sold locally in grocery stores but I don't think it has a wider distribution. Maybe it could be ordered through Beer Across America or one of those beer-of-the-month clubs.

You won't be disappointed.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,John Gray / Australia
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:38 AM

For a good review of a large range of beer brands / types and countries of origin go to the "Long Distance Travellers". http://www.ozemail.com.au/~naibor/ldt/start.htm We are, we are, we are, we are, we are the engineers. And we can, we can, we can, we can demolish 40 beers. Drink up, drink up etc. etc. ( a song that us old stokers used to sing many years ago ) And just remember - there are no bad beers - just some better than others. Location is important too, a cold San Mig. at the New Jolo bar in Olongapo was the stuff that dreams were made of.

JG / FME

Subject: RE: BS: Beer
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:29 AM

Aaah, home brew! When I was poor and newly married we made our own beer. One night we awoke to a noise we thought was a car accident outside. Found the living room awash with beer and bits of glass embedded in the furniture as a gallon jar had exploded. Fortunate that we hadn't been in there at the time. We gave up after that! Another good thing was that it was a furnished let and the stuff was in a ratty state anyway ( a previous tenant had taken a knife to most of the furniture during a "domestic" - well it was Peckham!) so the landlord didn't gripe!
RtS