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Is it just me?

Art Thieme 16 Feb 02 - 05:43 PM
wysiwyg 16 Feb 02 - 05:50 PM
Jeri 16 Feb 02 - 05:55 PM
Deckman 16 Feb 02 - 06:12 PM
Bill D 16 Feb 02 - 06:15 PM
Bill D 16 Feb 02 - 06:17 PM
katlaughing 16 Feb 02 - 06:32 PM
M.Ted 16 Feb 02 - 06:46 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 16 Feb 02 - 07:18 PM
CarolC 16 Feb 02 - 07:25 PM
Jon Bartlett 16 Feb 02 - 07:58 PM
catspaw49 16 Feb 02 - 08:02 PM
Jon Bartlett 16 Feb 02 - 08:04 PM
CarolC 16 Feb 02 - 08:12 PM
CarolC 16 Feb 02 - 08:14 PM
katlaughing 16 Feb 02 - 09:07 PM
CarolC 16 Feb 02 - 09:27 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 16 Feb 02 - 10:32 PM
Bobert 16 Feb 02 - 10:39 PM
M.Ted 16 Feb 02 - 10:42 PM
Deckman 16 Feb 02 - 10:49 PM
catspaw49 16 Feb 02 - 10:50 PM
catspaw49 16 Feb 02 - 10:55 PM
Bobert 16 Feb 02 - 10:58 PM
Gypsy 16 Feb 02 - 10:59 PM
Sorcha 16 Feb 02 - 11:01 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 16 Feb 02 - 11:04 PM
Ebbie 16 Feb 02 - 11:06 PM
catspaw49 16 Feb 02 - 11:29 PM
GUEST 16 Feb 02 - 11:52 PM
Bill D 16 Feb 02 - 11:52 PM
Art Thieme 17 Feb 02 - 12:49 PM
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Subject: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 05:43 PM

Folks,

Granted that I have been away and preoccupied with health issues the last half year or so, but when I look in here I've found very few (if any) threads or ideas that interest me. I know I have one or two things in my head to add here. In the past, it was great to see someone looking for info, mostly on American traditional topics, that went in directions that, over the last 4 or 5 decades, totally occupied my folk delvings. Please don't tell me to start threads. I'd rather know, in front, that the need for what I have is there already. Then I can put in my two cents.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 05:50 PM

No.

Art, many of us have written about feeling this way. It seems to be cyclical. Don't worry. It will be fun again.

What ELSE are you doing these days that's fun anyhow?

~S~


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 05:55 PM

Art, it's not just you. There seems to be a lull in the folk action and a big interest in...er, "other stuff."

I wouldn't expect the folks with the answers to ask questions. (And yes, I really mean that.) I believe the drop in folk music related discussion is because we're not getting the questions, or we've already answered the same questions.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Deckman
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:12 PM

Hi Art, great posting! I agree with you, things seem a little quiet right now. Let me attempt to draw the comparison to fishing, steelheading to be specific. Out here in the great Northwest, fishing for the elusive STEELHEAD is a cause, unto itself. Once you are caught by the passion, it becomes a lifelong passion (kinda like folk music). But occasionally, the fish don't bite. Or the rivers are too muddy (clever, eh?), or you've got the wrong lure. Or you shoulda' been out on the riverbank on Tuesday, instead of Wednesday. But, rest assured, they will be back again ... the steelhead, I mean. So, like any good fisherman, one must be patient, keeps his hooks sharp, and watch the weather. CHEERS to you good friend, Bob


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:15 PM

thing is, in the first 3 years, a LOT of questions were asked, songs posted, issues debated and jokes told. Many of the 'usual' questions are answered in the permathreads and FAQ files, and the SuperSearch sends folks right to all the discussions of "Wildwood Flower" and others.

There is always something new, but not nearly as often as there once was, since we are in the business of following the latest pop music releases. The more music there is archived in the DigiTrad and threads, the more folks just chat among themselves or keep up on festivals and meetings...or, as we know, complain about something.

(re-reading my own thoughts, I wonder if it is just the % of music threads to social chat and silliness that make it seem like less is happening...*shrug*)


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:17 PM

tsk! should be "since we are **NOT** in the business of following the latest pop music releases."


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:32 PM

Phew! Sure glad you corrected that one, BillD!**BG**

It's not just you, Art, as the others have said and, I agree, for some of the reasons they've cited.

One suggestion for any of you who have tales to tell is to go through the Song Origins Permathread and see if there are any to which you might add more commentary/stories.

Also, Art, I've love to hear more from you and Jerry Rasmussen on how you two met, what you've done together, and how he came up with that incredible song "Handful of Songs!" I've been impressed with what I've read of him, here, and have been left wishing to know more, just like I am when I read what you, or Sandy, or Rick, or Deckman, or Don Firth, or Ferrara, or.....a bunch of others have posted!:-)

Thansk for asking,

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: M.Ted
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 06:46 PM

Well, far as I am concerned, we have had some nice discussions of blues, and as good a thread on Travis picking as I can remember-- and Wayne Raney--it all depends on what you like, I guess--


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 07:18 PM

Hi, Kat: I'll tell my remembrance of how Art and I got to know each other. One day, out of the clear blue, a Folksongs of Wisconsin songbook arrived at my doorstep. From Art. Now, Art says that we were at the same Folk Legacy Festival once, and I don't doubt him, but I don't think that we exchanged more than a passing Hello. There was a short note, maybe three sentences long,tucked into the book from Art saying that he liked my music, and thought that I'd enjoy the book. I wrote back my typical wet, friendly English Sheep Dog letter, and a few weeks later, I got another note from Art, maybe four sentences long, telling me not to expect him to answer my letters, because he wasn't a letter writer. I pummeled him with several more long letters, and each response came a little quicker, and the letters gradually grew to a full page, and then two pages. Somewhere along the line, I booked Art for a concert as part of a series I ran at the Stamford Museum, and we got to know each other, eye to eye. As the friendship grew, we started splitting an evening at the Cafe Carpe in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin every time that I went out to visit my family. The letters, tapes, videos (we both have a great love of jazz and old movies) flowed steadily for many years... during hard times, four or five letters a week. Art didn't seem to mind associating with a danged singer/songwriter because we can swap traditional songs until all hours of the morning. That's what we did one night at HogEye music in Chicago. Sat next to each other and sang whatever came to mind... sang from 8 o'clock almost until midnight before the people who run the place realized how late it was. We try to get together when we can, when I'm out in the Midwest, and even though the letters aren't flowing like they used to (blame computers) we're still walking down the road next to each other.

Handful of Songs? I'm probably like a lot of Mudcatters.. I seem to collect stuff.. most of it not worth a whole lot. Songs, books, records, old toys, whatever tickles me. I was thinking one day of what people hold on to, to remember loved ones who've died. I have my Grandfather's hammer, and his old railroad watch(which doesn't run any more, but is right on time twice a day.) When the rest of the family was fighting over the marble-topped dresser and the other "valuable" antiques when my Grandfather died, I took his hammer and his watch. The years of wear on them told me how much they meant to him, so they meant more to me than the more "valuable" antiques. My Mother's Mother died on the operating table a few days before Christmas, when my Mother was about 11... one of eight kids. My Grandmother bought all the kids bibles before she went in for surgery, and never lived to share that Christmas with them. That bible is falling apart, but it meant everything to my Mother, and she knew that I would treasure it. So, the song started to come together.. as a singer, I knew that part of what I (and all the rest of us) would leave behind would be a handful of songs. And that's how the chorus evolved.

One of the lines, by the way, was about Art..

"Some may leave stories well-tuned in the telling
Some may leave jokes that can still make you laugh.

That's Art... a good, well-loved man and a dear friend.

One of the great pleasure of singing that song was that people always come up to me afterward to tell me what they've save that belonged to their parents. Amazing stories. Probably a great thread there, but as Art has pointed out, there aren't enough music threads. This is your thread, Art, Buddy... You asked..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 07:25 PM

I'm with M. Ted on this one.

Today alone I was turned on to some links to some really great websites, one for accordion players, one for sheet music (I've already printed out a whole bunch of music from that site).

And lately I've been given some really great resources about the folk music and culture of Newfoundland (something I'm keenly interested in), and I've been introduced to some fantastic music groups I had not heard of before.

I guess sometimes it's blueberry season, and sometimes it's apple season, eh!


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 07:58 PM

Is it just me? I contribute to a thread and that's the end of the thread - no responses. (This just happened with a piece on folk copyright which had Sonny Bono's name in the title - no idea why (I'm Canadian - we do things differently).


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 08:02 PM

Actually I'm with both Ted and Bill........There have been some damn fine threads lately, but there is also a lot of nothingness too. The problem is very much what Bill described. When someone posts a request, we can probably find a number of threads where the topic has been discussed before. I tend to link those just for reference and not to stifle conversation. We have a lot of new folks who'd like to express their opinions too. For those of us who've been around here a long time, we've probably said about all there is that we have to say on a lot of them....so as Jeri said, we wander over to the Weather Channel.

Jerry.....Re-Post that as the start of a new thread....Let's not have it get lost here in this one. Give it a good title and go with it!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 08:04 PM

See? It just happened again. I walk into the room and Spaw says, "Hey, gang, let's go somewhere else".

I don't get no respect....


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 08:12 PM

Jon, I don't know if you're new to the internet or not, but I find that the rhythms here in the Mudcat, at least, are different than in a conversation in the 3D world. Most of the time, most people won't get a response. That's more the norm than an aberration. It just takes some getting used to. And since the conversations don't happen in anything resembling real time, you might get responses, but it could be days, months, and even years later.

But you should never assume that not getting a response means that nobody is paying attention to you, because that is frequently not the case. Although it sometimes is the case, but it happens to all of us at one time or another.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 08:14 PM

Let me qualify that... when I said that most of the time people won't get a response, I wasn't referring to answers to questions, which usually get responses eventually. I was talking about responses to comments or opinions.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 09:07 PM

Jerry, thank you. Priceless and bringing tears to my eyes. I am sure it will mean a lot to our Fine Art, too! I love that song! I see there is a relevant thread, so I am off to read it.

Oh, for the record, I did start a couple of threads asking about songs for my dad and once I got the responses I needed, they dropped off. That just seems to be the way.

Hi, Jon G. Bartlett, welcome to the Mudcat. I disagree with Carol,, in that I think it depends on what thread a person is in. Some are the type where comments and opinions get the same back, by design. There've been so great debates on here.

kat


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 09:27 PM

Yes, katlaughing, I should probably have put that differently. What I'm trying to say is that out of all of the posts that I make myself, only a small fraction of them ever gets a direct response from someone. And I don't consider that a sign that I am being ignored. I just see it as a normal aspect of this form of communicating.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:32 PM

I have to add my agreement with Katlaughing and Carol, Jon. Threads are not always conversations. I learned that, real quickly. Sometimes they are, and that can either be a pleasure, if you can join in, or a bore if it's just a couple of people flipping wisecracks back and forth. But, not all of Mudcat is threads, and conversations are often better carried on through PMs, and can evolve into friendships through e-mail. Don't assume, though, that people aren't interested in what you have to say. If you pose a question, you're almost certain to get a response. Sometimes, someone will come on and express their agreement (or disagreement) with something you said. I enjoy reading ALL the posts. If I responded to each one, I'd have stubs for fingers. Still enjoy it all, though...
Jerry


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:39 PM

Now, the ol bobert has read every post in this thread and has come to some conclusions which I should probably just keep to myself but in my tradition of "Post First-Think Later" that I brought over from my blues site... I'm just going to spill my guts. Yeah, I'm not an old Catter. Well, maybe old. But not to the Catbox but... nevermind, I'll pass on the testimonials. What's going on 'round here is the "SEVEN YEAR ITCH". Just funnin', but I did get ya thinkin'. No really. This joint is filled with real creative and talented folks but you all been partying too long together and things have become predictable between you long time Catfolk. Plus, there's too much emphasis on the past and little interest in the here and now of folk music. Ol bobert gotta read folks wringing their hands about the death of folk music. Well, folk music is very much alive but I don't read too many folks who are keeping up. I mean, if some 60's folkie died tomorrow then Catters would burn up the joint postin' just how great they were and the thread would reach a couple hundred and all that. But what if a Robin Fulks, Richard Buckner, Mark Germino, Kelly Joe Phelps, Alvin Youghblood Hart, etc were to die then what? I would suggest that if the long term Catters would put as much effort looking forward as they they do gazing in the rearveiw mirror then they might just find a whole lot of folks trying to carry on the traditions of folk music in a contempory setting. Things change. That's part of the deal. Hey, listen. I'm not saying that traditional music ain't important. I'm just saying that we need to bridge it to contempory folk music or risk becoming another aging angry generation. Look at Pete Seeger out on the road with his grandson. His music is fresh, not because he is Pete Seeger but because he understands the here and now aspects of folk music. Sorry, but if you want new threads you're going to have to step up, listen to the folk music of your kids and figure a way to bridge the gap. And sorry for the rant. I have not been hanging around here too long and I am not trying to act as if I have some inside track on this but like I said earlier, the place is filled with talented and creative folks, many of whom have, like an old album, gotten stuck. I know I'm going to get some blasts for this post but that doesn't matter. I'm pushin' 60 and while still pushing my 18 year old friends to listen to the traditional stuff, am willing to listen to what they have to offer, which, I must admit... is a lot. I'm all done ranting now. Fire away, but reread my post first. Thanks. Peace. Bobert


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: M.Ted
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:42 PM

Jon,

If you look at the other posts in the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension thread(named for the bill), you'll note that it is a thread that gets resurrected whenever there is something new to report on the legislative and legal action related to that particular law---a lot of people, both performers and people who maintain internet music websites, are concerned about the issue,I think most people ignore it whenever it comes up--If you want discussion, probably spaw is right--start a new thread--


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Deckman
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:49 PM

Hey Bobert ... Well said. And to Jon ... How are things up North, and by the way, keep your hooks sharp. Bob Nelson, Everett, Wa.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:50 PM

For such a shitkicker Bobertz, ya' got some points.....Now most of 'em are on top of your head, but you managed to get some writ down here as well. I'm figurin that since you got a new puter you'd wring her out with the previous epissil with the emphasis on pissil. I still can't figure why I like you but there has to be some other reason........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:55 PM

Also Bobertz, I'm thinkin' that you're so bumblefucked by the new board over at Tweezer's place that you thought you'd inflict this bunch for awhile.........HEY! The board IS working now...and not too hard to use either!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:58 PM

Spawz: It's because we're related... I think... Jus' funnin with ya'... or am I?...


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Gypsy
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 10:59 PM

Gotta agree with ye, Bobert. And thee as well, Art. Hopefully, this is just a funk, and will be fresh again soon.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:01 PM

Very good, ole Bobertz. Smack dab on in a lot of ways. Spaw, I saw that crack about "dialogue"......naughty, naughty.

There has been less here lately that intrests me, but since my main talent seems to finding obscure stuff, I'll just keep on keeping on.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:04 PM

Art...
I agree...
but I see....
it as fulfillment of prophecy.

Some to newsgroups,
some to gigs,
most are just bored by the numbers and the critters.

There are greener pastures...
obviously
we have been grazing by clearer, stiller waters.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thankfully, you and I have both shared in the MC past~~~~~~~
~~~~~There May Never Again be a Place Like Camelot~~~~~~~~


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:06 PM

Jon G, quoting you: I contribute to a thread and that's the end of the thread - no responses. If your computer can handle it, check out 'Killing the Thread' and you'll see your observation is nothing new. (But PLEASE don't refresh it!) As you can see we've all been there.

:)

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:29 PM

Art...
I agree...
but I see....
it as fulfillment of prophecy.

Some to newsgroups,
some to gigs,
most are just bored by the numbers and the critters.


There are greener pastures...
obviously
we have been grazing by clearer, stiller waters.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thankfully, you and I have both shared in the MC past~~~~~~~
~~~~~There May Never Again be a Place Like Camelot~~~~~~~~

Aw geez Greg.....LMAO....You been crankin' that stuff out for years now!!!!! And yet I notice that you too are still here.

Now if it were so damn bad an all...............

Spaw





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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:52 PM

Looks like Gargoyle kicked someone's ass, maybe now the offender will stop passing gas in public.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 02 - 11:52 PM

well, gee, Jon Bartlett...awhile back I tried to get yer attention in a thread, but YOU never came back to read it..*grin*...I made some comment about you being at the National Folk Festival at Wolf Trap about 1975?6?...do you remember singing "Thais" with Jon Eberhart under the stage?...

and I learned "The Hippies and the Beatniks O'" from you...I still get reactions to that one!

too bad the US & Canada are so darn wide, huh? You just don't see people as often as you'd wish!


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 12:49 PM

Garg, Beautiful I thought. I'm with ya.

Tomorrow must get C. to Rockford for another follow-up treatment. Sorry to be so preoccupied these days but looking in so rarely in recent times made the lack of what drew me here contentwise hit me harder than it might've otherwise.

Jerry,------ thanks. I'll be back atcha by phone probably. E-mail is just too far from real contact for me these days. And two people gave me 500 minute phone cards recently. Nice inventions those.

Art


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 01:28 PM

I'm new here so I can't comment about the changes in thread content but if you're feeling down about it just take some time and visit a few of the other so called music forums.Having discovered Mudcat I wondered what else I've been missing out on and went looking.To use the word pathetic would be heaping praise!A bunch of numb-nuts with nothing to say unless you're sporting big tits and wearing a thong!My wife says my tits are getting bigger but the thong cuts me in two!!


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 01:29 PM

No, it ain't just you Art. I LOVE musical minutiae...and I love meeting interesting people and hearing their stories, whether music-related or not. I love wicked biting satire, and the kind of wit and irony that catches you completely by surprise, with the result that your eyebrow suddenly raises and you go "Oh.....I get it!!" and then you laugh for the next two minutes.

...but, I'm pretty adaptable as well, so when I see things on Mudcat that don't interest me with either their content or style of presentation, I just detach a bit until something like "Blind Lemon" or "Wayne Raney" or "Keepsakes", or "How deep do you go", or even "Is it just me", comes along.

Over my four years I've written at least a couple of books worth on "playing tips", (along with several others) and my feeling is, this stuff is there to be retrieved by anyone who might find it useful and is willing to take the time, and I don't see much reason to do it all again (besides I'd probably contradict myself a dozen times!!).

I think change is inevitable, easily predictable, and often disappointing....but watching it happen is still fascinating (sometimes in the "trainwreck" sense) and I have to admit I DO read the "Guest(s) vs. Inner Creaky Clique" threads....but if I ever start to take them seriously and actually get mad at cyphers, that'll be time to leave.

In the meantime, I still try and look in everyday, so MC still has a place in my life.

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 02:53 PM

Art, you probably know this already, but just in case you don't: if you go to the main page and type "req:" into the Filter box, and set the time to 30 days, you can click "Go" and pull up many threads that discuss songs. Doing the same for the word "song" pulls up a load of threads too. If you haven't had a chance to be here for a while, this will give you a chance to see what threads happened when you weren't around.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 03:46 PM

Well, gee... Thanks to all who've restored my faith! I appreciate the comments. Bill D., I well remember Wolf Trap '76 (the Canadian govt sent me down as one of Canada's gifts to the Bicentennial), and what a wonderful bunch of folk I met! Eberhart for one, and Helen Schneyer (sp?) and on and on... Eberhart was working for a science outfit and brought down some of the first photos of ?Jupiter from the flyby mission. One of the Newfoundlanders who made the trip was Wilf Wareham - I recall he hadn't come across horseradish before and thought a big bowl of it was tuna. Laugh? I nearly bought me own beer! Again, thanks to all the comments - what a nice bunch of folks you all are!


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: allanwill
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 03:55 PM

When I first discovered this site I read every thread and started to seriously suffer from information overload; not just the info. coming from you guys, but the leads to other sites. I've taken home so many songs I want to learn I've had to start categorizing various folders to keep track of them, yet the majority I haven't even tried - I think there' just as much pleasure (well, almost) knowing you have them at your fingertips as actually learning them.

Sometimes I think its a blessing in disguise when there are only a few music threads happening, but I know I'll have to buy more folders in the future.

Allan


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 07:33 PM

Must be just me then!?


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 07:58 PM

*grin*

Art, maybe you need to develop an interest in traditional Newfoundland music played on the accordion. I'd be tickled to get into a discussion with you about that!


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 08:55 PM

I can only say that I am new to this type of forum and music. I've been playing music for 30+ years and all of my ideas were directly related to what the Carter Family started. Folk was "Blowin in the Wind" and "The Crawdad Song", which didn't make a lot of sense to me at the time.

So what you see as boring I see as cutting edge, where you find little to stimulate I find new and exciting, what you guys have been doing forever I've just bumped into, and it is just cool beans in my opinion. I've heard musicians I never knew existed outside of my state and country. Jerry Rasmussen, IanB, Rick Fielding, Jed Marum, John Walker, Cyder_drinker, Nutty, Jon Freeman, they are all different from what I am used to. Yet amazingly similar in that they all sing about real life and make joyous music.

So when you point one of us towards a thread about who knows what, and think - "Geez, doesn't everybody already know this?" well we don't. Or tell us to put something into the forum search and quit bothering you all with details - well remember that it is possible to share the same information more than once in the same space but different time and different person.

I'll never learn all of the songs I want to. I'll never meet all of the people I'd like to, but I never forget that as the Indians say, "We are all related." We breathe the same air, sing the same songs, and dream the same dreams. For that I am eternally grateful.

I am grateful for having lived here in this time and the internet to meet and learn all of these new people/things.

Spaw, Bobert, CarolC, and lots of others that I say are in my thoughts and heart. You've changed me and the world - I believe - to a better space. Nuff babbling -

Steve


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 09:16 PM

Well, I see it's not just me. I guess it's just all of us. We are ALL stuck in time with our own definitions and preferences. Still, I liked it better in those other times. Maybe that's why us old ones just die off. ;-)

I do wish you'd been there to know what I (we) knew...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 09:55 PM

Dear Art: We know that friendship and love changes through time. The initial excitement wears off, the discoveries become less frequent, and we start repeating ourselves. How many times have I told my kids the same old story? As they've grown up, they've been kind enough not to say, "Daaaad! you've already told us that story!!" If anything is repetition and familiarity, it is folk music. We wouldn't have all this beautiful music if we hadn't repeated it endlessly. I agree 100% with Steve on this one. What is boringly familiar for some, is exciting for someone else. For every exhausted stretch of land, there is an unplowed field.

But, what we lose through the years in excitement and discovery, we gain in understanding and shared times. I like Steve's excitement. May we never cease to find excitement in our lives. I have a dear friend of mine named Art, who has always signed his letters, "Ain't life grand!," or "Amazing!" You are a great wealth to all of us, Art, and not just musically. When newcomers like myself and Steve request lyrics to a song that might already be in the Digitrad it's because we want the stories.. We want to share the music with the people who know it in their heart as well as in their mind. It's a way to get to know people, and get to know the music on a deeper level than lyrics and chord changes. And if someone is hurting, or frustrated with something in their life that can't be reduced to the lyrics to a song, this is a good place to find strength and encouragement. We all need that. We all need you, Art. I know I do.

Your old pal, Jerry


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 10:03 PM

Amen.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Mudlark
Date: 17 Feb 02 - 11:12 PM

To Art...I've only been around for a year or so, but have always enjoyed your input. I hope you continue to fnd enough content here to remain a pillar of Mudcat...

To Jerry...So much, so well said. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 18 Feb 02 - 07:42 AM

Mudlark: May Art find enough content to be content... What an odd language English is..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: SharonA
Date: 18 Feb 02 - 10:53 AM

Art says, "Please don't tell me to start threads. I'd rather know, in front, that the need for what I have is there already. Then I can put in my two cents."

Art: Why wait until someone asks a question about something that interests you? As you observed, people do die off... and their knowledge and wisdom die off with them. Suppose someone posts a question, after you're gone, for which you now have the definitive answer and a wealth of information. Is it just too bad for him that he didn't ask soon enough? To my mind, it will be too bad – a great loss – if you don't post those "things in your head" now so that they'll always be the disposal of anyone who needs your answers at any time in the future.

Besides, who knows how many other visitors here are waiting for someone else to say something on a subject they know about, before they jump in? Somebody has to go first. Why not you?


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 02 - 11:00 AM

Art - you could always post the question incognito, and then answer it. Give it a try, and you can guage whether the need was there by how the thread goes. Its worth a go isn't it?


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Spartacus
Date: 18 Feb 02 - 11:08 AM

Gosh Art, I hope you can find it in your heart to find one of us worthy. God pray that one of us, just one of us, will post the elusive thread that will spark your interest and convince you to impart your great wealth of worldly knowlege on us. We have all felt the effects of your absence in the dwindling quality of the discussion forum here at mudcat. What can we do to win your favor? What trap must we use to snare your interest? How will we survive?


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Feb 02 - 11:43 AM

Hey. There is still a lot of folk going on round here.
I remember my first encounter with Martin Carthy, I asked some erudite question and got a succinct response and found with the next person he was gabbling away about the relative merits of shoes! IN A FOLK CLUB! Feet of clay obviously and when a man lives and breaths Folk he has to have a distraction.
As the 'Cat spreads & develops and attention wanders when do we worry about the loss of focus on the main thrust? I started a thread on a dance and got one response that I sort of pre-empted through PM. Very folky and musical. I intend start another on a specific hangover cure and I anticipate many more replies. BUT is it Folk? probably. BUT is it music?


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Feb 02 - 12:24 AM

You folks are overreacting me thinks. But youse thinks I'm doing that too. The humor in my posts don't seem to be making it through. Oh, well. It'll soon be next month and it'll got out like a lamb as is it's wont. In the mean time, I've had personal notes from a few Mudcatters that vividly illustrate the above. It ain't no sin for me to say I preferred stuff the way it was. And I was not berating anyone who is seriously maimed by luck or God or the way the four winds blow. Once again, some here just didn't get it.

No offense was meant------and that is for sure !!!!!!!!!

Art ;-)


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Feb 02 - 08:38 AM

Art - always glad to see you posting. I'm "here" a lot - and yes, some days there seems to be no intelligible content at all. Other days are treasure troves -

I occasionally feel guilty when I respond to a purely conversational thread - because I love the music threads and the reminiscences, and details and background. My problem is I don't know enough to even ask the correct questions! Otherwise I would be happy to ask all sorts of questions. God knows my musical education is small enough that in a few more years I may be able to describe it as "inadaquate" - but I got a lot of learning to get to that point


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Feb 02 - 04:42 AM

Spartacus,

I hear the tone of your post. The sincerity of it overwhelms me.

Art


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Subject: RE: Is it just me?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 02:54 AM

recycle.


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