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Subject: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: open mike
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 12:01 PM

I lookked for mention of the dixie chicks quote and subsequent
reaction, but could not find the thread...I am sure it was dis-
cussed here, about their concert in England where one of them
said they were ashamed the G.W.Bush was from Texas, and how the
music industry was critical of thier freedom of speech. Well,
here is a place that you can register your support.
info
Subject: Thanks for your support of the Chicks!


http://www.dixiechicks.com/blastgfx/dixiechicks_032103.htm

If you would like to support the Dixie Chicks and
their first amendment rights
to free speech, please see the attached link.
Some Fans of the Dixie Chicks have created this
petition.
Click here
petition
Best wishes,

Simon Renshaw
Manager


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
president, or that we are to stand
by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public." ---Theodore Roosevelt


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 12:24 PM

Thanks for posting this. I have been frustrated at not knowing how to let my views on this known. Have now done so.

kat


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 02:23 PM

1) Like petition signing ever changed ANYTHING...

2) The best way to support the D. Chicks is to buy their CD's and pay to go to their concerts...

Or don't, and show your disapproval that way...


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Mudlark
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 02:29 PM

Great quote from Roosevelt...I've signed.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 02:41 PM

I'm confused. Have they been jailed? Or has some government agency ordered their CDs withdrawn from the market and their concerts cancelled? If not, it seems to me that Clinton Hammond is completely correct: a petition is not only unnecessary but likely useless. Buy their stuff; go to their shows. What better support could an artist ask for?


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Willie-O
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 04:59 PM

What better support? tell em WHY you're suddenly a fan. I am.

Incidentally this isn't the first time they've gotten in some hot water with the right (or the excessively sensitive mens' rights movement). Remember that song a couple of years ago, about the gals that got together and did in Earl, the abusive husband of one of them? Can't remember the name, but some folks considered it "male-bashing".

I think it's great that such a talented trio shows a social conscience, and considering all the assholes that are having "Trash the Chicks" days, bulldozing piles of their CD's and so on, they need to hear from the other side.   Thanks for the link Mike.

W-O


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 24 Mar 03 - 07:35 PM

Did the assholes steal the CDs they're bulldozing? If not, then the Chicks got their props. Who cares what they do with the plastic. All the other publicity is just that, free publicity.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: wilco
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 09:33 AM

I guess that the chicks won't need a petition in a few months; they'll
probably need jobs. They'll be playing on the streets in Texas again.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 12:03 PM

Ummmmm, didn't they APOLOGIZE?

So who knows WHAT they believe?

Hi Wilco, bet the Chicks will NOT be doin' a whole lot of buskin' in Texas for a while, ha ha! "Hey, Natalie, those aren't quarters they're throwin', they're STONES"!

Cheers

Rick


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Spartacus
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 01:50 PM

For the love of God...
Don't get me started on these women. I'm all for free speech rights. I really don't care what Natalie says. If she's so concerned with free speech, why did she apologize? The dixie chicks fired their original lead singer because they wanted to be "mainstream". They hired the annoying front woman, and started banging out the hits. The catch with banging out the hits is that you suddenly have a primarly top 40 country fan base. If your primary concern is being mainstream and selling records, you should know better than to insult the man most of your fans voted for. That's why she apologized. This group has way to much "please like me" and no where near enough heart. (sorry about that, it's been bugging me for a while.) I'll spare you my dissertation on the need for a "petition"....(i'd like to start a petition to turn current "country music" into actual country music)

-(whew) Spartacus


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:11 PM

I like the Chicks...

I like the music they play...

I think Nat is HOT!

And I really couldn't care any less about what she said about the US President...

I mean really, so the hell what?


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: MMario
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:13 PM

Clinton - be honest - you think Nat is HOT! - and you couldn't care if she is *capable* of speech.....*grin*


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Just Amy
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:16 PM

I never have heard the Dixie Chicks because I don't usually like country but I LOVE what they said, so I bought a CD. Surprise, they are really good, and would have never heard them if they hadn't spoken out!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Tiger
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:18 PM

Man in bar: "Madam, you're really ugly!"

Lady: "Sir, you're drunk!"

Man: "Yeah, but when I wake up tomorrow, I'll be sober, but you'll still be ugly"

Might have been W.C. Fields (or GWB and Natalie).

Anyway, she certainly has a right to say what she said (stupid, as it was). And she certainly has a right to the repercussions.

Honestly, I don't wish her well.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:28 PM

Heh.. Ever seen the movie, "Heavy Metal" MMario?

"She doesn't have to talk, for what I wanna do with her..."

Heh


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Earl
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:39 PM

What goes around .... comes around...

Eat it, bitch!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:45 PM

The lips we can see of Natalie's are luscious.
The lips we can't see of Natalie's are probably even more so.

Besides this, they are fine musicians who do a lot of fine material.

Real music lovers and musicians will always know this.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:21 PM

I'd never heard of them.

I doubt that a UK person would help with a petition over US freedom of speach issues but I couldn't really see myself supporting them anyway.

I did a little searching and found an article here.

In it, I find Natalie Mains quoted as making an apology stating:

"As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect"

This to me makes a mockery of the petition, it almost seems to back ideas that restrictions on freedom of speach are in order.

Jon


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,willie-o
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:22 PM

Tiger, it was Winston Churchill that said that. But it wasn't he that started the exchange. It was pithier than you record.

"Sir, you are drunk."
"Madam, you are ugly, but in the morning, I shall be sober."


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:31 PM

A clarification to my previous post: Where I said "I couldn't really see myself supporting them...". I was reffering to the Dixie Chicks, not the American rights to freedom of speach!

Jon


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Tiger
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:34 PM

Thanks, willie......

I'll remember it, next time. That Winnie was a demon, wasn't he?

Even looked a bit like Fields, but the similarity ends there. Churchill was a giant!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:06 PM

So, all this brou-ha-ha gives some of you carte blanche to post salacious sexual content in order to denigrate this particular woman, Natalie? Did it make your dicks bigger and harder to post about her lips, etc.? Eat it, bitch indeed. What a disgusting lot!

kat


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:32 PM

Take 2 luscious, not salacious

I also said I think they are good musically.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Kernow John
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:42 PM

Kat
My feelings about the lady's actions I'll keep to myself but I'm with you all the way regarding the remarks made about her.

John


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: NicoleC
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:45 PM

Thank you, Kat, I thought the remarks were particularly juvenile myself. For those gentlemen, the issue doesn't seem to be her comments themselves, but rather that a pretty girl might also have the temerity to have an opinion!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:49 PM

I can see where Earls comment is rude.. but others? I think some here, again, are over-reacting...

Seems to be a LOT of that going around these days...

Surely there must be something more important to worry about... like maybe good music?

Anybody bought a good new CD lately? Or heard a good new song?


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: NicoleC
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

Well, you might ponder why so many felt they had to express objectifications about whether or Natalie needed to talk to be useful, what her private parts might look like, or rapicious comments like Earl's.

If, for example, Clint Black had been in the same political circumstances, would ya'll be discussing his physical appearance and sexual worth?


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 05:48 PM

Excuse me for liking attractive and sexy women with talent.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 06:25 PM

" If, for example, Clint Black had been in the same political circumstances, would ya'll be discussing his physical appearance and sexual worth?"

If I found him as cute as Nat, yer damn right I would...

He's just not my type


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 07:05 PM

Kat, I see you lumping a lot of posters into one set. I for one was not involved in that side.

As such, I will ask you. What do you think of someone who makes a stance of dissowning Bush and then when under pressure including loss of air play and having records being played makes the statement:

"As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect"...

Which side is she on? Please tell me.

Jon


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: smallpiper
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 08:26 PM

I couldn't give a nak about the dixie chicks but the aparent preoccupation of the USA's freedom of speech makes me puke... I mean you are all so concerned with the freedom of speach but only as long as it is US freedom yet your tosser of a president and his lacky Mr Blair buldoze their way over a huge portion of the globes right to free speach. It's this "if you don't agree with us and our political system then we will beat the shit out of you" attitude that upsets me! who the fuck said that democracy was the right, true and only way?

These people claim to be cristians yet Christ was a true comunist. Okay I'm pissed and angry so if I've offended anyone then tough, suck on it!

Peace and love and may god forgive the war mongers - all of them!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Mar 03 - 09:07 PM

Give 'em Hell, Smallpliers!

I believe it was your countryman, Oscar Wilde, who defined American-style democracy as:

"The bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people"

Bruce


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 12:17 PM

To Guest, Jon

What difference does it make who's side she is on? She's an American who might not agree with you and has loads of talent.

As long as she is not a bigot, she's OK with me.


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Nathan in Texas
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 03:09 PM

Wonder why this thread is not in the BS category?


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 03 - 03:28 PM

I did not lump a lot of posters, Jon. I was very careful to say some of you.

Clinton, thanks for the laugh!


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:12 AM

This ought to be on the BS section - has nothing to do with music -


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Subject: RE: petition in support of dixie chicks
From: Frankham
Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:39 AM

Nat Maines said that she respected the office. But she never said she respected the actions of the one who holds it.

I applaud her civility and also read between the lines. Not an ad hominem argument.

I think Fly is a pretty nice pop-country record. I like their vocal style and instrumental ability. It would be a shame if "police state" mentality interfered with their career. I also admire Martin Sheen and Susan Sarandon, too and respect their rights as American citizens to express their views.

Frank Hamilton


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