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Lyr Add: Young Hunting

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GUEST,Marie 11 Oct 03 - 12:06 PM
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Mary Humphreys 11 Oct 03 - 06:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Oct 03 - 09:48 PM
Malcolm Douglas 11 Oct 03 - 10:10 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: GUEST,Marie
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 12:06 PM

Hi! I was wondering if any kind person could help me to complete this lyric? I figuered out most of the words, but since English is not my native language I'm not entirely sure and there are still some words/sentences missing. Could anyone help me?      /Marie


Young Hunting

Young Hunting is to the castle gone
As fast as he can ride,
With a hunting-horn slung at his waist
And a broadsword by his side.

Oh a broadsword by his side
A broadsword by his side
With a hunting-horn hung slung at this waist
And a broadsword by his side.

When he came up to the castles's gates
He tirled at the pin,
But noone was ready but the lady fair
Did rise and let him in.

You're welcome here, my young Hunting
To call and candle light
So welcome are you, my young Hunting
Just to lie with me this night

To lie with me this night, sweet boy
To lie with this night
So welcome are you, my young Hunting
Just to lie with me this night

Well, I thank you for your light lady
And so I for your call
But there's a fairer girl worth ten of you
Meet me down by the town wall

Well, he bent down from his saddlebow
Just to kiss her ruby cheek;
But she pulled out a small sharp knife ,
And she wounded him full deep.

She wounded him full deep, me boys
She wounded him full deep
Aut she pulled out a small sharp knife ,
And she wounded him full deep.

She called upon her Irish maid
So long before the day
There lies a dead man in my bower
And I wish he was away

So they ?? him and ?? up
As he was once to ride
And they carried him to the wide water
They called the river Clyde

Oh, they called the river clyde
They called the river Clyde
And they carried him to the wide water
That they called the river Clyde

One did take him by the foot
And another by his head
They throw him in by the water's deep
And he sank to the riverbed

Lie there, lie there, you young Hunting
'Til the blood cease from your bones
For that fairer girl worth ten of me
Will wait long of you come home

Will wait long of you come home
Oh, will wait long as you come home
That fairer girl worth ten of me
Will wait long of you come home

Then up spoke a bonnie little bird
That flew up in the trees
Go home, go home, you false lady
And pay your maid her fee

Come down, come down, me bonnie little bird
Come down unto my hands
A cage, I make of the fine beaten gold
And now is the willow won (???????)

You can keep your cage of the fine beaten gold
And I'll keep my truth
For as you did to Young Hunting
And so you'll do to me

Oh, and so you'll do to me
So you'll do to me
For as you did to Young Hunting
And so you'll do to me

And it turned out the very next day
The king was going to ride
And he called out for Young Hunting
To ride all at his side

But the lady swore by the grass of green
And so she by the corn
I have not seen Young Hunting
Since yesterday at morn

But I saw him down by the river Clyde
And I fear his drowned there in
So they sent down the divers bold
Just to dive for Young Hunting

Oh, to dive for Young Hunting
To dive for Young Hunting
And they sent down the divers bold
Just to dive for Young Hunting

But then up spoke that bonnie little bird
Of the ? above their heads
Dive on, dive on, ye divers bold
For there he lies indeed

Lay of your diving in the day
And dive all in the night
And where Young Hunting he does lie
The candles will burn full bright

Oh, the candles will burn full bright, me boys
The candles will burn full bright
And where Young Hunting he does lie
The candles will burn full bright

So they left of diving in the day
And they dived all in the night
And where Young Hunting he did lie
The candles did burn full bright.

Then pale and white was his wounds of wash
Just white as a linnen cloth
And when the lady she came near
The blood came goushing?) out

Oh, the blood came goushing?) out
The blood came goushing?) out
And when the lady she came near
The blood came goushing?) out

Oh, it must have been my Irish maid
So will may she be tied
For I'd never taken Young Hunting
And throw(?) him in the Clyde

So they are taken out that Irish maid
And a ??? of fire and set her in
But the flames wouldn't taken upon her cheek
Not yet upon her chin

So they are taken out that Irish maid
And they are throwing the lady in
And the flames they took to her skin and hair
And she burned like a hollow green (?)

Oh, she burned like a hollow green (?)
She burned like a hollow green (?)
And the flames they took to her skin and hair
And she burned like a hollow green (?)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 01:06 PM

Well, some are easy enough to guess ("like a hollow green" would be "like hollin green", for example), but guesswork is second-best. There are a large number of variant forms of Young Hunting / Earl Richard (and many other names), and the ballad-group is number 68 in Child's English and Scottish Popular Ballads. Most of the "Child" texts for #68 have been posted here in the past, I think, and some from other sources; none is quite what you have there.

What we need to know in order to help most usefully is where you got it. I take it that something that long must have been transcribed from a record? Perhaps it has been collated and re-written a bit by the performer who recorded it, so it would be useful to know their name.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 01:22 PM

On reflection, I'm fairly sure that this is essentially the text that the English musician Brian Peters recorded. In his own words, it was "knocked together from Child". It differs in some respects from what you have transcribed here; perhaps somebody learned it from him and changed it a bit more. At all events, do let us know who you heard singing it. I can post Brian's words later, if they are needed, with some information about his sources.


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Subject: Lyr Add: EARL RICHARD (from Jon Boden)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 03:27 PM

Jon Boden sings a really nice Readers Digest version of this collected from a Miss Stephenson in Glasgow in 1825. It's only drawback is the omission of the divers and underwater candles.

For anyone who didn't realise it, it's from this song that I derived my handle.

Earl Richard is a hunting gone as fast as he could ride
With his hunting horn tied round his waist and small sword by his side
He rode 'til he came to my lady's bower
He tirled at the pin
And none so ready as she herself to rise and bid him in.

Oh light, oh light Earl Richard she says, oh light and stay the night
We shall have cheer with charcoal clear and candles burning bright
Well I will not light, I cannot light
I cannot light at all
For a fairer maiden than ten of you is waiting now at Richard's Hall.

He's leant down from his milk white steed to kiss her ruby cheek
She held a penknife in her hand and wounded him so deep
Oh lie you there, Oh lie you there
Oh lie there 'til morn
For a fairer maiden than ten of me will wait long on your coming home.

She's called her servants one by one, she's called them two by two
I have a dead man in my bower, I would he were away
Then one has a-tain him by the hand
And the other by the feet
And they've thrown him in the deep drawer well for fifty fathoms deep.

Then up there spoke a little bird that sits by on the tree
Go home, go home you false lady and pay your maid the fee
Come down, come down, oh my pretty bird
That sits on the tree
I have a cage of beaten gold freely I'll give to thee.

Go home, go home you false lady and pay your maid the fee
For as you've done to Earl Richard so would you do to me
If I had an arrow in my hand
And a bow bent on a string
I'd fire it o'er that light-brown heart among the leaves so green.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Barb'ry
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 03:30 PM

Hi, this is also known as The Proud Girl and is sung in another form by Frankie Armstrong and Bert Lloyd, amongst others. Hollin is actually Holly - it spits a lot when it is burnt. I think I have this version on a Tony Rose vinyl, so will look it up for you if someone doesn't get there before me! The version I sing (Bert Lloyd's)has significantly different words, so is of no use!
Barb'ry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 06:13 PM

Some guesses as to the missing words, based on the many versions I have seen whilst getting a singable version together :
Verse 4: Often he is welcomed with 'coal and candle-light' i.e. the house is warmed up and lit up for a special visitor.
Verse 10: they booted him and spurred him as he was wont to ride ( i.e. they make it look as though he fell off his horse)
Verse 16: that is now the willow wand ( ie. willow twigs)
Verses 27,28 : blood came gushing out ( an old superstition - when the murderer approaches the corpse of his/her victim, the wounds bleed)
Verses 31 & 32. Hollow - I agree with previous posters - 'hollin' the Northern word for Holly.
The rest of the missing words I can't help you with. Sorry.
Mary


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 09:48 PM

As noted by Malcolm, the Child versions have been posted; by MMario in thread 40615, "Young Hunting." Young Hunting These may help with filling in words. There are many variations. The other threads may help as well.

The song also is found in Randolph, "Ozark Folksongs," vol. 1, pp. 90-93 under the name "Lord Henry and Lady Randolph."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 10:10 PM

There should be little or no need to refer to other texts. This is almost certainly a modern collation (made without reference to New World sets, I think) and all we really need to know is what record Marie got it from. As I've said, I think that it is a slightly altered form of the collation Brian Peters put together: it matches it verse for verse.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Stewie
Date: 11 Oct 03 - 10:44 PM

Malcolm, I agree. The basic form is the same as the Peters collation, but there are numerous minor differences in the text. I have a Peters recording on the Fellside collection of ballads [FECD110]. If you can post the Peters lyrics, that should clear up most of Marie's difficulties. If you are pushed for time, give us a shout and I'm happy to amend Marie's text to conform with the Peters one.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: GUEST,Marie
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 05:35 AM

Thank you all for your help. I don't know the group's/artist's name, the song is on a tape which I've got from a friend, and she doesn't even know where she got it from! so it might very well be the version you're talking about.
Mary seems to have found out most of my question marks but if some of you are willing to post Brian Peters version/lyrics it would be very nice of you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 12:54 PM

Looks like Tony Rose (may he rest in peace) recorded this in full length... fine singer, and great songs... ttr


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Subject: Lyr Add: YOUNG HUNTING (from Brian Peters)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 01:11 PM

A little long, but here it is. There are some differences in wording not attributable to the difficulties of transcribing from a home-made tape in a foreign language. Brian has recorded his adaptation of the song twice, however: like Stewie, I have the 1997 Fellside set (Ballads, FECD110, from which this is transcribed), but there is a later one on his most recent recording, Lines, which I haven't yet heard. Perhaps the more puzzling differences derive from that. There is no "Irish maid", for example, in the texts printed by Child from which Brian drew the material for his re-make (anglicised; hence "holly" rather than "hollin", and so on); where the maid or companion is given a name, it is most usually Catherine, and that is her name in the Ballads recording.

The text Marie has is certainly Brian's re-make, though changed in places. I must get myself that new CD; his reworkings of the "big" ballads are usually quite a treat. Meanwhile, does anybody have a copy of Lines to hand, and the time to check whether or not he has modified his text? Such things often develop over time, and it would be interesting to see how it has changed.

I've indicated points of difference from, and additions to, Maries' transcription in red, but have removed redundant words and repeated verses without indication.

The tune used -though apparently none of the text- came from a recording of Martin McDonagh (his name for the song was Lady Margaret), made by Tom Munnelly at Co. Roscommon in May 1974. Forms of it are also found with other songs; I've heard it in a traditional set of Little Sir Hugh, and Bert Lloyd sang Tam Lin to a close variant.


Young Hunting

Young Hunting is to the castle gone
As fast as he could ride,
He's a hunting horn about his waist
A broadsword by his side;
A broadsword by his side.

And when he came to the castle gates
He's pulled all at the pin,
No one so ready as the lady herself
To arise and let him in;
Arise and let him in.

You're welcome here, my Young Hunting
For coal and candle light
And so welcome are you, Young Hunting
To lie with me this night;
To lie with me this night.

I thank you for your light lady
So do I for your coal
But there's a fairer woman than ten of thee
Meets me at Brandie's Well;
Meets me at Brandie's Well.

He bent down o'er his saddlebow
To kiss her ruby cheek;
But she took out a little pen knife,
And wounded him full deep;
And wounded him full deep.

She has called on her maid Catherine
So long before the day
I have a dead man in my bower
I wish he was away;
I wish he was away.

They booted him and spurrèd him
As he was wont to ride
They've taken him to the wide water
They call the river Clyde;
They call the river Clyde.

One has taken him by his feet
The other one by his head
In the deepest parts of Clyde water
It's there they made his bed;
It's there they made his bed
.

Lie there, lie there, you young Hunting
'Til the blood seep from your bone
That fairer woman than ten of me
Will wait long ere you come home;
Wait long ere you come home.

Then up and spoke the bonny little bird
That stood all in the tree
Go home, go home, you false lady
Pay your maid her fee;
And pay your maid her fee.

Come down, come down, my bonny little bird
Come down into my hand
Your cage I'll make of the fine beaten gold
Where now is the willow wand;
Where now is the willow wand.

Keep your cage of beaten gold
And I will keep my tree
For as you did with Young Hunting
You'd do the same with me;
You'd do the same with me.

And it fell out on the very next day
The king was going to ride
And he has sent for for Young Hunting
To ride all at his side;
To ride all at his side.

The lady swore by the grass so green
So did she by the corn
I saw not your son Young Hunting
Since yesterday at morn;
Yesterday at morn.

But I saw him ride to Clyde Water
I fear he's drowned therein
And they have sent the divers bold
To dive for Young Hunting;
To dive for Young Hunting.

Then up and spoke the bonny little bird
That flew above their heads:
Dive on, dive on, you divers bold
For there he lies indeed;
For there he lies indeed.

But leave off your diving in the day
And dive all in the night
And where Young Hunting he lies slain
The candles will burn full bright;
The candles will burn full bright.

So they left off diving in the day
And dived all in the night
And where Young Hunting he lay slain
The candles burned full bright;
The candles burned full bright.

White, white were his wounds all washed
As white as a linen clout
But when the lady she came near
The blood come gushing out;
The blood come gushing out.

Well it's surely been my maid Catherine
And ill may she betide
For I'd have never slain my Young Hunting
And thrown him in the Clyde;
And thrown him in the Clyde.

So they have taken the maid Catherine
And a bonfire set her in
But the fire wouldn't take upon her cheek
Not yet upon her chin;
Nor yet upon her chin.

So they've taken out the maid Catherine
They've thrown the lady in
And the fire took fast on her fair body
She burned like holly green;
She burned like holly green.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Young Hunting
From: GUEST,Marie
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 08:34 AM

Thank you, Malcolm. And thank you all for being so helpful.


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