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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: KB in Iowa Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:03 PM Montrose (1973) The whole album was seriously metal. "Rock Candy", "Bad Motor Scooter" Mmmm, good stuff. This group is where Sammy Hagar got his start. I sold my LP some years ago, sometimes I wish I still had it. There are a lot of other great mentions on this thread. I hardly ever listen to this sort of stuff anymore but there was a time... |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: JeremyC Date: 25 Jul 07 - 12:53 PM My top three: My Last Words - Megadeth Creeping Death - Metallica Children of the Grave - Ozzy Osbourne, from the Randy Rhoads Tribute album (NOT Iommi's version, which does not rock). Hawk, Yngwie is good for ripping your face off with incredibly fast, balls-to-the-wall guitar solos (When I was a teenager, I was convinced that, if I ever learned to play a certain segment of "Far Beyond the Sun," I would become God--no, not really, but I hope you know what I mean), but he's not much for rocking, headbanging stuff. For impressive guitar playing, look for the complete "Speed Kills" solo video by Michael Angelo. It's INSANE. Or watch him play his double-necked guitar with one hand on each fretboard, harmonizing leads with himself. Not something I'd put on in the car, but it's an impressive spectacle. Back to headbanging, Iron Maiden should get at least honorable mention: The Trooper The Prisoner Hallowed Be Thy Name (I arranged an acoustic version of this for laughs, but I love the original song) Moonchild Ghost of the Navigator Oh yeah, and Judas Priest: PAINKILLER (It has to be in all caps because listening to it will rip your balls off, or if you're female, you will grow balls, and a thick patch of coarse, curly black hair will appear on your chest and shoulders, and THEN the song will rip your balls off) Hard as Iron One Shot at Glory Hell Patrol Nightcrawler (My favorite Priest album may be clear at this point) |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: GUEST,ibo Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:47 AM cant beat ANNIES SONG,great for banging your head off the wall to |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Jul 07 - 11:20 AM http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy5KjaAS7nY |
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Subject: Lyr Add: TV CRIMES (from Black Sabbath) From: GUEST,Den Date: 17 Nov 03 - 07:20 AM M.Ted, don't leave Gary Moore out of that group when he rocked, white knuckles days. Here are the words to TV Crimes, a song about TV evangelists, one of my favourites by what I thought was the best Sabbath line-up. Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Vinnie Apice.
TV Crimes
One day in the life of the lonely |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 16 Nov 03 - 10:40 AM Sorry, LW-I am just listening to his version of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"---worth listening to--he, Joe Satriani and Steve Vai, are touring together right now--they are much imitated and idolize among the young(or previously young) guitar players--as one of my old guitar students put it, they are like the "Trinity"-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Nov 03 - 07:49 AM Oooo! Ooooo! Ooooo! More great stuff. Thanks, guys, I have put those live albums on my "must acquire" list, along with the Winona Ryder pictures and the 1902 original issue Vampire Prevention Kit... No, I don't know who F-in' Yngwie is!!! :-) Gimme a break, man. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 16 Nov 03 - 02:23 AM Foghat Live too! Honey Hush! On the other hand, Zepp's The Song Remains the Same was pondrous and boring. Used to have a bootleg live EP of the Sex Pistols too - with Sid saying, "We're not that fuckin' bad after all, are we?" Geez - my friends used to be impressed with my 8-track collection. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 16 Nov 03 - 02:18 AM And Tommy Iommi is one of those rare southpaws too. I've alway been a big fan of live albums because raw power in rock sounds so powerful live. Sabbath's Live Evil is one of my favs as is Queen's Live Killers - The whole I'm in Love with My Car/Get Down Make Love is so completely connected with the late 70s. That was the first song my Mom heard me play (on 8 track, no less) that stopped her in her tracks to ask me what they were singing. How, at 13 did I ever explain the lyrics to Get Down Make Love? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Peace Date: 15 Nov 03 - 07:15 PM He was on Dallas, wasn't he? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 15 Nov 03 - 03:09 PM You're hopeless, LH--I'll bet you don't even know who Yngwie is-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: alanabit Date: 15 Nov 03 - 01:15 PM Tommy Iommi was in Black Sabbath, which was the band in which Ozzie Osbourne made his name. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Nov 03 - 12:16 PM Haven't heard of him. Which group was he in? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Den Date: 15 Nov 03 - 08:21 AM "I ain't ever satisfied" (to quote Steve Earl) LH. I tend to be a little prickly on this subject because over the years I've met too many people who scoffed at the heavy stuff and were very dismissive of it. I wasn't personally attacking you. Some bands took themselves entirely too seriously and your right that's when they tended to become more than a little silly. But I have to agree the genre has spawned many talented musicians and a lot of the music is well constructed and sophisticated and nobody could play a heavier riff than Tony Iommi. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 15 Nov 03 - 02:16 AM Thanks for posting Den you've put a lot of this stuff straight--though your tastes in Belfast differ somewhat (though not a lot)from what was popular stateside. As to my comment about "inane" it was meant with deep affection and in the best possible sense--I mentored a fair number of aspiring metal guitarists, and, though I seldom admit it, had a really raw high power band in the early seventies, even before people called it heavy metal(people called it just "heavy" music first)-- The thing about metal related music is that, even though it is very commercial, it is mostly really well constructed music, built from interesting musical ideas, and full of great guitar playing--it is real "live" music, which is to say, music created to be played live, instead of music that is created in the editing room to be good background music for a slick video-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 15 Nov 03 - 01:54 AM War Pigs by Black Sabbath impressed my Dad (who was born in 1911) when I played it for him and he heard the lyrics. He never thought a group like that could write such a powerful anti-war song. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Nov 03 - 08:36 PM I never said there wasn't a place for such songs, and there certainly is, Den. Nor did I ever say that their fans were all stupid, many were/are not. As for the musicians, many of them are/were excellent musicians and smart people. It's just that the stupid side of that type of music is very funny...as is the stupid, pretentious, dead serious side of folk music, but in a different way...it's more low key on the whole, to say the least. For a humorous movie about heavy metal, see Spinal Tap. For a humorous movie about folk, see "A Mighty Wind". Both are quite funny, but Spinal Tap is funnier, because heavy metal tends toward more extreme situations, which makes for great humorous possibilities. There is probably a good deal to laugh about in any style of music, if you look at it from a slightly skewed angle of observation or focus on its more close-minded afficionados with their little mind games of oneupmanship and "specialness". Now, I realize that by strict definition you are quite correct that true headbanging music started in the late 70's, and I am familiar with some of it. But for the purposes of this thread, I am after songs that: 1. are meant to be played really f**king LOUD 2. are obviously aggressive and youth-oriented 3. express some measure of hostility toward "straight" society and its authority figures, such as teachers, parents, bosses, politicians, etc...the more hostility the better 4. or just plain ROCK! This can include happy songs too. So...rather than just pure headbanging music, I believe this would include certain songs from the following genres: Rock n' Roll, Rock, Hard Rock, Acid Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk-Rock, Glamrock, Techno, Electric Blues, Rap, Punk, New Wave, Alternative, Grundge, Ska, Hip Hop, and who knows what the heck else, as long as it's meant to be played f**king LOUD! And some of it is very stupid and inane, while some of it is not. Some of it's even brilliant. Satisfied? - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 14 Nov 03 - 08:06 PM Well head banging may not be Headbanging, but it was still head banging. I don't think inane was meant as an insult--more in the sense of fitting the sensibility and spirit of the music. At an event I remember a guy played an empty blender, and the "Puree" setting was generally agreed on as the most classic headbanger for the time. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Den Date: 14 Nov 03 - 07:44 PM Head banging wasn't headbanging till about 1978 on. Most of the bands mentioned above certainly were not headbangers. I was a headbanger and was proud of it I still love the energy in the music. I know its very popular with the seudo intellects to call it inane and stupid but I hope I don't have to point out to folkies how pointless and stupid a lot of the lyrics in folk music are. Live and let live people. If you don't understand it, it doesn't mean that its stupid. If you want to be a real muso you should be able to embrace a range of music. Anyway headbanging is mostly associated with the NWOBHM. The New Wave of British Heavy Metal to the uninitiated. But not exclusivly. Some of those bands were Saxon, Iron Maiden, Accept (from Germany), Sampson, Black Sabbath, Dio, Motorhead, MSG etc. So in terms of great headbanging songs. Motorhead (by the aforementioned) Motor Cycle Man and Dallas 1 pm by Saxon. Turn up the night and TV Crimes by Black Sabbath, I speed at Night and We Rock by Dio. I could go on and on. And LH we weren't all spotty, lonely youths. I remember those days in Belfast very well and I don't remember being lonely much. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: SueB Date: 14 Nov 03 - 11:53 AM Y'all have left out Tony Blair's favorite headbangers' band, The Darkness, see link Blair headbanger link |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 14 Nov 03 - 01:17 AM ummm - that should have been "get" Also - it doesn't help when they have less than inspired match-ups such as the Who and the B-52s. For most of the crowd, the B-52s were the annoying crap that their kids were listening to. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Nov 03 - 10:51 PM Eating one's way into a stadium is a novel form of gatecrashing, I'll say that. I can see how it might prove fatal in some cases...concrete and other building materials lie heavy on the stomach. Now, drinking one's way into a stadium...THAT's a concept most headbangers could definitely relate to! It's the pits opening for a famous band, because their audience is not there to see you, and is likely to let you know it in very obvious ways. This gets more perilous, the more violent the style of music. There's no real danger in opening for a famous folkie, for instance. Well, not usually... :-) For all you could possibly want to know about the headbanging lifestyle...got to this excellent and amazing site!!! Go there, man! It ROCKS!!! http://www.rockschool.com/ - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 13 Nov 03 - 08:07 PM In 1982, the B-52s opened for the Who (remember their first "final" tour, the one that included the date in Cincinatti where people died trying to et into the stadium? Well in Orlando the B-52's lasted 1 1/2 songs before someone in the crowd who didn't understand them, and wanted the Who to get onstage, did a bit of headbanging by hitting one of the B-52s on the head with a tossed beer bottle. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 13 Nov 03 - 06:14 PM Lenny and the Squigtones? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 13 Nov 03 - 01:25 PM Fred: Rock Lobster was great, no question--and definitely inane, but it was droll, and consciously ironic--true headbanging music is not aware of it's own inanity--How about "Love Stinks"? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 13 Nov 03 - 12:43 PM I have a candidate for most offensive t-shirt for an Indigo Girls concert - I have a biker shirt which on the back, says "If you can read this, the bitch fell off." Don't worry about not knowing Goethe. Nobody knows everything. We all have to pick and choose (or at least sit back and let the info wash over us) on what we know. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 13 Nov 03 - 08:31 AM Blackcatter--Don't misunderstand me, I get nostalgic for my father's set of friends, but all I know of Goethe myself is that his plays didn't seem to work. More tragically still, I've never cleaned or battered a fish. A guy I knew once searched the country for the most offensive t-shirt he could wear to a Indigo Girls concert--we were driving a truck and got around. Cradle of Filth seemed to be the best band-name for offensive shirts, but he never found the one he wanted. Rock Lobster was another inane head-banger, I remember. B-52's? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:35 PM Sorry, I mangled too--that should have been "a Goethe scene"-- Blackcatter--I was just making a little joke. We do like a lot of the same kinds of music--elective affinities, you know..and your comment about hair reminded me of another classic: "Are You A Boy Or Are You a Girl?" by the Barbarians. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:25 PM Goethe was "huge" (as they say) in my grandparents' day. I have never read his work, but I've read Sri Aurobindo Ghose, and Goethe can't be any deeper or more intellectual than he is, God knows! I seem to be more drawn to Asian philosophers than European ones, although I used to love reading Colin Wilson... My favourite philosophy is Taoism. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 12 Nov 03 - 10:50 PM M.Ted - all of them have head-banging songs of some sort or another. And I don't dress like a head banger (or a goth, for that matter) and I could give a rats ass what people think of me at concerts. To me head-banging is a physical action, as is moshing. Maybe people's definition of head-banging is a style of music, but to me it's anything that I can throw myself into and bang my head. Angus Young is the god of head-banging, if you ask me. I have long hair, I don't get headaches, while I dance, my head moves up and down - I am a head banger. Fred - Ahh. Goethe is cool. Don't currently know too many people who can talk about his work intelligently. I have wonderful friends, but few received a classical education. Of course, they are happily making more money that I am . . . |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 12 Nov 03 - 04:29 PM A mangle of Goethe. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 12 Nov 03 - 12:05 PM Some of your groups are headbangers, BC, but some of them are definitely not--check before you go to the concert so you know how to dress--headbangers can be grievously out of place in a Goth scene, and vice-versa--incidentally, I love Me First and the Gimme Gimme's cover of "Danny's Song"-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:30 AM Umm - what's "Goerte"? |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:06 AM I don't know about stupid, but I too liked the "inane hook line" remark. A good head-banger isn't an essay with footnotes. I'd nominate the instrumental "Where the fuck's my wallet" for the title alone, only having heard of it, can't remember who did it. I'm only part folkie, but the folk music I grew up with involved folks, folks hanging out, with style, playing music, and talking. The folks I remember were people as comfortable discussing Goerte as subtle refinments in making fish batter. I wouldn't immediately associate electrified communications forums with folk music, anyway, but to the extent I do, it's because this forum is broader, more free-wheeling--a stone-soup get-together internet forum where even the trolls are fun. I don't have folk credentials to say so, being a modest dabbler, but I think it all goes to folk music somehow. Let other styles sit in their seats and face forward. As someone said on another thread, folk is different. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:17 PM Certainly, a lot of them are fine musicians, and all their fans aren't stupid by any means. It's just that the ones who ARE seriously stupid tend to really make themselves noticeable, if you know what I mean. :-) It is to those glorious lads that I dedicate this glorious and most excellent thread. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Blackcatter Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:42 PM I'm glad to see my suggestion of posting as many non-folk threads here was heeded! Keep them coming. Gargoyle go right ahead and start the ska thread - I'll post to that one too. Maybe another for soca would be needed. Headbanging? First of all, it's insulting to categorize a lot of headbanging music as "stupid" as has been done above. The sub-genre is typically a simplistic form, but hardly stupid. The musicians are putting a lot of effort and energy into the music - and much of the time, they're playing some pretty good riffs too. My list of groups to which I still (at 37) bang my head: AC/DC Anthrax Beastie Boys Circle Jerks Clash The Cure Dead Kennedys Devo Foo Fighters Greenday Jane's Addiction Jimmy Eat World Korn Linkin Park Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies Metallica Mighty Mighty Bostones Misfits Nine Inch Nails Presidents of the U.S.A. Rage Against the Machine Ramones Red Hot Chili Peppers Sex Pistols Skatalites Suicidal Tendencies Surf Punks Talking Heads TSOL Violent Femmes To name a few. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Cluin Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:33 PM Hocus Pocus by Focus |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Phot Date: 11 Nov 03 - 05:02 PM Wheels of Steel, Saxon Animal, Def Leppard Ace of spades, Motorhead Freebird,(full version) Lynerd Skynerd Danger zone, Cheap Trick (music for fast bikes on sunny days!) Walk this way, Aerosmith/Run DMC I could go on, but I'm supposed to be a folkie!! Wassail! Chris |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 11 Nov 03 - 02:43 PM Even if you don't like headbanging music, if you ever taught guitar, more than likely, you had students who wanted to learn to play it, for the simple reason that the kids who like headbanging music are in the right age range for guitar lessons(and generally, their parents are desperate to find *something* that their kid is interested in doing)-- I am sure there are some of you who told those kids and their parents what to do with their money-- but most of us couldn't afford to be choosy, so we sat down and figured out how to teach power chords and all the rest of the stuff--It has it's moments too--there is nothing more wonderful than to the sparkle of joy in the eyes of a boy who has just played "Smoke on the Water" for the very first time. Here's one from my mispent youth--"I Wanna Be Your Dog" by The Stooges-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 11 Nov 03 - 01:10 PM Here's a good Lovecraft word: cyclopian. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:57 PM Brilliant description of the key elements in mulletheadbanging music, M. Ted! I love the bit about the inane hook line. So true. The thing about the odd slow acoustic ballad is very notable too. Metalheads find it very cool to do that occasionally, and it helps if the ballad is either about mystical sword/sorcery kind of stuff or is romantic and tender...then just when they've lulled their awed audience into that quieter mood...they BLOW 'EM OUTTA THEIR SEATS with a pyrotechnic burst of screaming guitar riffs and exploding visual effects. Yeah, BABY! LOL! I gotta go watch the Spinal Tap movies again... I don't think Daylia has seen Spinal Tap...poor thing. She is so culturally deprived. :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: mike the knife Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:57 PM Pretty much all of the first Clash album, Most of the album "What's This For?" by Killing Joke, The Immigrant Song by dear ol' Zep, and a fave for stomping around on the furniture & kicking over lamps is "Bulls on Parade" by Rage Against The Machine. It's Very Rare indeed that I even put any of that stuff on the box anymore... ah, but there was a time... :) |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: M.Ted Date: 11 Nov 03 - 10:31 AM I second "Ballroom Blitz", also nominate "Dude Look Like a Lady" and "Walk this Way" from Aerosmith, "Seems to Me" from the James Gang, "Paradise City" from GNR is a must, and for those pensive moments, "September Rain" and "Sweet Child of Mine", can't forget Alice Cooper, with the classic, "I'm Eighteen" and more recently, "Poison"-- To me, the characteristic elements of headbanging music are the beat, either a throbbing duh-duh-duh-duh on the toms, or a boom-BAH boom-BAH on the snares, the guitar, with has to be sustained chords with a lot of distortion, and an inane hook line that can be screamed atonally along with the recording-- Nother great thing about headbanging music is that the bands like to get out the acoustic instruments and play slow ballads every once in a while, such as "Every Rose has it's Thorn", and Alice's "Every Woman has a Name"-- Almost forgot, though it is alternative and not metal, "Girlfriend in a Coma" is great fun, and much loved(though alternative fans and metalheads tend to hate each other)-- |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: muppett Date: 11 Nov 03 - 04:34 AM Stairway to Heaven by ROLF HARRIS !!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: GUEST, Mikefule Date: 11 Nov 03 - 02:41 AM The fast, live version of We Will Rock You (on the B side of Crazy Little Thing Called Love). Ace of Spades - although this works as a folk song if sung to a jig tune similar to The Lincolnshire Poacher. Gimme Three Steps (Lynyrd Skynyrd) And of course, Freebird, although as I get older, I lack the stamina for the full length version. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Jenny Islander Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:30 AM Wincing Devil, "O Fortuna" is right ON! My husband and I like to freak the high schoolers on the last day of school by driving through the parking lot headbanging to "O Fortuna" cranked all the way UP with the windows open. For those of you going, "What?": "O Fortuna" has been used in a lot of movies over the years, so people who haven't heard _Carmina Burana_ (a modern arrangement of medieval bar songs about sex, girls, bad luck, and beer--great stuff!) probably know "O Fortuna" anyway. Anybody out there who's seen _Excalibur_ will remember it from Arthur's first brave ride and from his later valiant charge against despair. I think it's in a Conan movie too. The gist of the song, BTW, is "Luck, if you're a lady, I'm the bastard King of England." But this list must include "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen! |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: *daylia* Date: 10 Nov 03 - 09:56 PM LH, it's "Rock and Roll", not "Been a Long Time" by Zep. Had the nostalgic joy of bangin me head to it not so very long ago it seems! (thanks for your tolerance ...I really did have your best interests at heart though ... thought it might be good for your, uh, daylia |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Sam L Date: 10 Nov 03 - 08:49 PM I seem to remember liking Black Sabbath's completely inane Fairies Wear Boots, but now when I try to remember any of their tunes they all sound like Iron Man. Except the one that went Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry--that gets stuck in my head, interspersed with the theme to The Odd Couple, for some reason. Deep Purple, I'd go with Highway Star instead, for the solo. I liked Tull's Hymn 43 as a headbanger when I was in 5th grade. The Stones, Brown Sugar. I like Page's sculptural riffs and many things about Zepplin, but somehow they never quite hit the spot, innovative and interesting as they are. And I never thought anything of the Stairway solo. Didn't see why anyone would learn it instead of making something up. Yes had some headbangy stuff like Soundchaser, Southside Of The Sky, bits and pieces, and I liked them a bit. I found their spacey/treky image sort of embarrassing, but it was probably a pretty good advertising metaphor. I've arranged a cover of the mullethead-banger classic of all time, Freebird. I just play the diddlediddle diddlediddle lick over and over, and sing Lord help me I can't cha--ange. Little Richard singing Rock Island Line sounds pretty good. |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: Cluin Date: 10 Nov 03 - 08:33 PM The Clash---Rockin' the Casbah The Sex Pistols---God Save the Queen Lords of the New Church---Holy War Tom Jones---She's a Lady |
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Subject: RE: Most classic headbanging songs ever! From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 10 Nov 03 - 08:25 PM Sorry to have slipped Ivy in
Sincerely,
It really should be in the classic SKA thread.... but since there are none here....it sits there. |
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