BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST, Lefty Ballpark
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 05:42 PM

Most of you are preaching to yourselves or your own clones

And pissing you and the other hair-shirt rightites off, Martin. It's not like it's not worth the effort ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 05:35 PM

To: guest Proud to be "far left"

How can you walk? Your head is so fat on one side you will probably tip over.

As far as agreeing that it will help Bush, you are not paying attention to media coverage obviously. or else you are so far left blinded that like many far right, you are no different in hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see. Pictures of long lines to pay last respects and thousands of people waiting in line are getting a lot of press. Why? Apparently his death has struck an emotional nerve with many average Americans. Plenty who will jump on the bandwagon. Don't be surprised if bush uses the Reagan "legacy" to his campaign advantage. Good advertising and PR from this can't be ignored by the Republicans.

To the far left out there, guess what? The average American does not come to this web site. Most of you are preaching to yourselves or your own clones, but not everyone even here is agreeing with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 12:29 PM

There is no reason for us to judge Reagan more favourably now than when he was alive. He always was and now indisputably is beyond reform. He showed others no charity and deserves none. Dead or alive. If he could receive the suffering he caused it would at least be just. Let us be honest about what he deserves.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 12:14 PM

Thanks, Greg. I withdraw my remark about scat.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 12:09 PM

Merely a general observation on the activities & tactics of the Reagan-Worshippers, Amos- no specific individual targeted.

One may read the accumulated drivel & draw one's own conclusions.

Best, Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:57 AM

Much better Amos. A for effort :)

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:49 AM

The man proved one thing...You really can fool some of the people all of the time. (Especially those who forgot what really went on)

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM

OK, Ron:

Difficulties tend to arise, however, when the attempt is made to present opinion (or misinformation, or fantasy, or delusion, or ignorance) as fact, or whan opinion has no objective reality to support it.

Greg F: which opinions are you referring ot that have been presented as fact, without any objective reality; and what is the objective reality, in your view, that should be recognized?


headline: "dianavan gives fertilizer for flowers on Reagan's grave"
we are all entitled to our opinions.
but where is Kerry and the Dem leadership? probably right up front....

Bearded Bruce:

This seems to be something of an ad hominem..am I right? If not, what do you mean in your remarks about Dianavan?

And what is the unspoken implication intended about Kerry being right up in front? Can you clarify what you mean here?

Thanks,

Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:33 AM

Larry K - the answer is three. One to make the change and two to complain about how much brighter the old bulb was.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:23 AM

It is interesting to note that virtually all the politicians who disagreed with Reagan all genuinely liked him as a person.    I am referring to comments long before his death as well as after his death.   In responding to his "lack of intelligence" Tip Oneal- the speaker of the house stated that Reagan outmanevered the deomacrats for 8 years and got all of his agenda accomplished with a democrat house and a democrat senate.   Oneal concluded that he was far smarter than anyone gave him credit for and that democrats always underestimated Reagan.

To answer a previous question- YES- I am much happier with the defeat of the Soviet Union.   The history of the USSR and communism is one of shame with murder of millions of people and goals of global and military domination.   The people of Russia deserve better than what their leaders gave them.   The rest of the world is far better off now that the empire is gone.   Thank you Ronald Reagan.

I got a big kick out of the light bulb discussion.   Only on the mudcat forum would one comment lead to the number of responses that were generated.    You click on a thread about Reagan and you learn the history of the light bulb.    You gotta love it.

PS: How many folkies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None- folkies screw in a tent.    Sorry about that- couldn't resist.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:21 AM

Here is where we have problems. We tend to attack the messenger instead of the message. If we can't communicate with each other without picking fights, we can't expect our goverment to work either. Simply ask for a clarification.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,Pre-emptive coward
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:14 AM

You're a funny guy, Amos; people in glass houses ...

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 11:04 AM

These last two posts -- from BB and Greg F -- are unintelligible scat.

I wonder if the authors could be prevailed upon to translate their miasma into concrete or specific communications? As written they are meaningless, vaguely hostile generalities without referent.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 10:30 AM

Indeed we are all so entitled.

Difficulties tend to arise, however, when the attempt is made to present opinion (or misinformation, or fantasy, or delusion, or ignorance) as fact, or whan opinion has no objective reality to support it.

Rave on-

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 07:58 AM

headline: "dianavan gives fertilizer for flowers on Reagan's grave"

we are all entitled to our opinions.


but where is Kerry and the Dem leadership? probably right up front....

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 07:53 AM

Now that should be carved on his tombstone, doug!

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: darkriver
Date: 09 Jun 04 - 01:11 AM

I recall that the letters
"Ronald Wilson Reagan"
are an anagram of
"insane anglo warlord".

doug

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 08:10 PM

Do you really think I should mourn the president that gave Saddam WMD's and helped set up the Taliban?

I'd rather piss on his grave! No, I won't pretend to be sad. I'm not a two faced phony like he was.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,Proud to be 'far left'
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 05:38 PM

Ah, Martin Gibson, your hypocrisy is showing.

So, the left is despicable for not kowtowing to the phony "mourning" period hype, but it is fine for the Bush/Cheney campaign to exploit Reagan's death in order to be re-elected.

Is that it? And by the way--with whom are you agreeing about Reagan's funeral giving Bush a boost in the electoral process? I haven't seen that issue raised by anyone but you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 05:17 PM

I also agree that the groundswell of Reagen in the limelight will help boost Bush.

what liberal media?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: folkfan73
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 05:16 PM

Blackcatter - sorry about spelling Ronald's surname wrong. I have checked and correct his spelling to Reagan instead of Reagon! Please accept my full apology!

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 05:14 PM

Mted what facts are you referring to?

If I triggered a nerve on your far left liberal hypocricy in this thread, I am very proud of myself.

As for name calling, you are not the biggest douche bag on this forum. That's something to be thankful for, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 04:46 PM

If I were in a room with Nancy Reagan, I would keep deferentially quiet except to offer condolences on her loss.....here, I am in a public forum, where one person said RR will be "fondly missed", and others begged to differ. I see no problem, except for the few totally nasty & hateful posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 04:44 PM

Dear Kim C:
As far as being kind to him for the sake of his family, I am sure his kids understand the depth of feeling people have who opposed the "Reagan Revolution" - that march to American facism underwhich the rich do not need to fund their part of the national obligation, and the Bill of Rights is equated with Communism. I may remind you of his son's reply to his father's sence of the world, when he had his TV show.... "No, my father is wrong, trees do not cause polution..." As I said, it is a blessing that his kids where with him when he died, and had undergone a time of forgiving each other. But, as for the rest of us, we had to see that Crook (my co-religionist) Nixon remade at his death, and now we are seeing it again with Mr. Reagan. Sure, he was a jovial guy, likely generous with the people around him, but he was a bilght on American democracy.
All the best, and my condolences.
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 04:32 PM

GUEST, I am not trying to dictate anything. I'm not complaining either. I'm just asking people to see it from a different angle, is all, to think about how they might want to be treated after they're dead.

I thought people on this forum would be receptive to the idea of showing compassion to someone in a time of sorrow. It wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 04:26 PM

(Some of you may not believe this, but I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate. Ever. I have voted Democrat, but never Republican.)

I think the reason Donne said "each man's death diminishes me," is that he felt himself to be a part of humanity, a part of the bigger picture. When people with whom I am not personally acquainted die, I do feel a human sadness, mostly for the loved ones left behind. If you believe that all things are connected, it is hard not to be diminished just a little when one of the links breaks, regardless of your opinion of that person.

The other side of the coin is, we are augmented by the things that bring us joy, and that's what allows the broken links to heal.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 04:20 PM

KimC, you and others of your ilk are trying to dictate and control the way people "should" repsond to the death of a very divisive, loathed and loved person in a forum that is quite informal.

There is no law of etiquette that people must say nice things about a deceased person they loathed in life, and people speak their own truth, not niceties, when they talk informally like this about someone passing.

There is also no law of etiquette that says we must speak well of the dead if we don't know them personally, which is true for everyone here. Famous people die all the time. People heap undue praises and undue condemnations of dead famous people all the time.

Anyone who would complain about people damning Reagan here, especially with all the media hype surrounding the death everywhere you turn, is just plain whining.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:19 PM

that I had the sense not to vote for Reagan or Bush

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 03:03 PM

I'm not trying to censor anyone. I'm asking people to look inside their hearts from a human perspective rather than a political one.

Presidents are more than their policies; they are still people. Some of the same people bashing Reagan on this thread are the same people who expressed outrage over the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib - "sure, maybe they're villains, but they're people too!"

So... does that apply to some people, and not all people? Someone clue me in here.

Remember, too, that while the President is the one at the top, he isn't always The One Responsible. He just happens to be The One Who Has To Take The Heat. Don't forget about the senators and congressmen. They are equally culpable. The President isn't all-powerful - we set it up that way on purpose.

I was too young to vote when Reagan was in office. I wasn't even paying attention to current affairs at the time. At 14 I was more interested in boys and pop music. So I don't have a vested interest here.

Whether you like it or not, Reagan -is- going to be sadly missed by the people who loved him. Is it so bad to ask a little compassion for them?

What do you want people to say about you after you die?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:00 PM

Kim - his policies are public record, they are what are being recalled in this thread, and as the person responsible for them he is accountable. the 'if you can't say anything nice' or 'how about a little respect' phrases often trotted out in such situations are the cheapest, most insincere forms of censorship, and often the most effective, because who wants to be thought of as 'not very nice'? But it is censorship nonetheless, and I for one am not afraid to speak my mind.

It's not as if everywhere else in the media you turn there aren't ridiculously glowing tributes to this 'wonderful, affable, what a sense of humor, optimistic, all round great guy'. All those things he may have been, but so what? His record speaks for itself, and as someone else has already remarked, Hitler enjoyed a good joke, so we overlook everything else? and no, I'm not drawing parallels between the two, Reagan was no Hitler. Reagan couldn't paint and never hung wallpaper as far as I know, but he harmed real people and the government and the society and that should not be forgotten. maybe forgiven, for we are compassionate, but NEVER forgotten. the history books will eventually tell the truth about Reagan, Bush and the rest, even if Dubya keeps the records secret for the next hundred years, someday the world will know what worthless Presidents these were AND what real harm they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:17 PM

Bill, it's easy to be compassionate to people you like. The greatest rewards come from showing compassion and mercy to the people you don't like.

So did you know Ronald Reagan for all of his 93 years?

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,BIll Kennedy
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:12 PM

Kim C - there is that old 'do unto others', law of karma, kind of thing, I saw no compassion and tolerance from the son of a bitch through his entire life, nor from Nancy. (his kids are not being criticised here, they didn't choose him, or even vote for him as far as I know, maybe they did), but he gets what he deserves..doesn't deserve my respect for he hasn't earned it, but in fact has repeatedly earned my disrespect. I can only second most of what the other catters have had to say, though might add the auld Scottish expression ' a bit more stink in the earth, though less on't'

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Kim C
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:25 AM

Whether or not you cared for him as a President, Ronald Reagan was still a human being who was much loved by his family and friends. Show a little respect, for cryin out loud - be the tolerant, kind, compassionate people you so often claim to be. If not for him, at least for his family.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 08:33 AM

Wolfgang - thanks for clearing that up - the second unidentified guest posted whilst I was telling the first unidentified guest off for his rudeness to Folkfan73, and obviously assumed I meant him/her without reading the earlier posts.

'Second unidentified guest' - I'm not a nutter at all, but I am a guy who doesn't appreciate unidentified guests, flamers and trolls, like 'First unidentified guest', who come in and make extremely offensive personal remarks against people they don't know, for instance "Get real or up your medication" with its inference of some kind of mental problems. That sort of comment would probably be very hurtful if, for instance, the recipient happened to actually be on medication, and I hope you'll agree that even people on medication have a right to express an opinion without having that kind of crap thrown at them. My tirade wasn't directed at you, but at the previous unidentified guest - which shows how difficult you anonymous people make it for us to identify who we're talking to.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:06 AM

http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/first_electric_light_bulb.htm

"Edison always claimed, "If I didn't develop the incandescent light bulb, then I didn't develop anything."   For the record, this is the chronology of light bulb development as listed in :

"1809 - Humphry Davy, an English chemist, invented the first electric light. Davy connected two wires to a battery and attached a charcoal strip between the other ends of the wires. The charged carbon glowed making the first arc lamp.

"1820 - Warren De la Rue enclosed a platinum coil in an evacuated tube and passed an electric current through it. His lamp design was worked but the cost of the precious metal platinum made this an impossible invention for wide-spread use.

"1835 - James Bowman Lindsay demonstrated constant electric lighting system using a prototype light bulb.

1850 - Edward Shepard invented an electrical incandescent arc lamp using a charcoal filament. Joseph Wilson Swan started working with carbonized paper filaments the same year.

"1854 - Henricg Globel, a German watchmaker, invented the first true light bulb. He used a carbonized bamboo filament placed inside a glass bulb.

"1875 - Henry Woodward and Matthew Evans patented a light bulb.

1878 - Sir Joseph Wilson Swan (1828-1914), an English physicist, was the first person to invent a practical and longer-lasting electric light bulb (13.5 hours). Swan used a carbon fiber filament derived from cotton.

"1879 - Thomas Alva Edison invented a carbon filament that burned for forty hours. Edison placed his filament in an oxygenless bulb. (Edison evolved his designs for the light bulb based on the 1875 patent he purchased from inventors, Henry Woodward and Matthew Evans.)

"1880 - Edison continued to improved his light bulb until it could last for over 1200 hours using a bamboo-derived filament. "

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,John O"Lennaine
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:03 AM

Apologies for the thread drift. By way of rectifying the situation, I believe there is, on Da Vinci's chest in his coffin, a piece of parchment with a message in invisible ink in mirror writing in Sanskrit, what is believe to translate as "Reagan - Antichrist".

But that's just heresay.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: DougR
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:58 AM

Greg F.: partisally? Hmm. Er, ah, ok.

Guest who started this thread: good luck.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:49 AM

Leonado da Vinci left drawings of round clear orbs with little squiggly loops inside them and straight yellow lines radiating outwards from them in all directions ...

John

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 11:51 PM

Blackcatter- excuse my multiple typos- brain only partiaslly in gear..

You want to look up Joseph Swann & the carbon filament lamp.

Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 10:47 PM

Greg F - you are wrong as well. Neither Swan or Edison truly "invented" the lighbulb. The first practical lightbulb was invented by a German working in New York City named Henricg Globel about 10 years before either Swan or Edison. He never patented his invention, but Edison used his idea of carbon filaments to make the first long-lasting bulb. Swan had the first patent and he did sue Edison and won.

In addition to Swan, Globel and Edison, the idea of electric lights was worked on for nearly 50 years before they came along. Many inventors from England, France, Russia, the U.S. and Canada contributed to the process of the invention. In fact, Edison bought the work from two Canadian inventors to use in his design.

Sorry for the thread drift, but just as it is impossible to give Reagan all the credit for the fall of the Soviet Union, you can't give complete credit to Edison or Swan either.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Blackcatter
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 10:18 PM

folkfan73 - you don't even know how t ospell the man's name - why should we listen to you at all?

Greg F. - sorry about that, I've never heard about that - if you're right, that's wonderful, but it doesn't change the sentiment of my statement. Edison did not invent the lightbulb. I'll look around for more information about your assertion.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 09:51 PM

Well, ya know, Larry, I may have slept through that part of the deal...I was awful involved in my own life at the time and was not paying as much attention as I should have.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: InOBU
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 09:35 PM

Dear Amos... I also did not wish to enter this fray, he's dead, and well there is a bit of finality about that - I don't like what he did in life, but I don't hold grudges, it was nice his kids were there when he died... BUT Approved of how he dealt with Gobichev?????????
Geeze ol' skin! Gorbichev pleaded for ecconomic help while Mr. Reagan backed Yeltzin, the founder of the Rusian criminocracy at the expence of a reforming communist government, leading to a disolution of systems all over eastern Europe returning the place to medi-evil wars and attempts at genocide. Some times it is better to put windows and doors in walls before you go tearing them down... feel better that there are missing ex-soviet nukes floating around in the total moral breakdown of the post colectivist world... ? I don't!
Cheersm'dears,
RIP
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 08:27 PM

bbc, I knew you wouldn't respond in any thread. Believe it or not, I'm not looking for a row, I do want to know why Reagan was held up as a great president, because he most certainly was not.

"I did not attend the funeral, but I did send a letter of approval". (Mark Twain)

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 08:03 PM

I hadn't thought of Reagan from one year's end to the next -- he was entirely absent from the public picture, and has been pretty much for the last ten years. Why, therefore, mark him up as sadly missed? I honestly will not notice the difference in my life caused by his passing.

I did admire his dealings with Gorby, though.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: bbc
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 07:17 PM

No, Kendall, I won't be responding in another thread. I've said all I want to say.

GUEST, if that other thread, labeled "Obit" is the one you are referring to, it certainly doesn't dignify the name. Have you read it, other than the prefix? It is at least as much of a bashing thread as this one & I certainly would not post to it.

folkfan 73, you're welcome. Enough said.

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 07:04 PM

Talk about ignorance. Edison was the head of a team of men and women who developed the first useful lightbulb.

Err- sorry, but no. The Englishman James Swan invented the first practical electric light bulb. More evidence of Yanks taking credit where not deserved.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: folkfan73
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 07:02 PM

bbc - thank you! You are right, This thread was meant as an orbitiuary, and I wished that those who used my thread to give negative messages on Ronald had put it on a separate thread, and keep this thread as a tribute, an opportunity to give condolences to Ronald Reagon's family, and an opportunity for all who liked him as a president, and actor, to give tribute messages, or even poems. Please keep this thread as a tribute to the positive and good things that Ronald Reagon did for America, as a president and what he did for the world, as an actor. I personally haven't seen his acting, but if I get a chance, I will watch him.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 06:54 PM

According to ABC Nightly News, Reagan was no more popular than Clinton. Both averaged around 57% approval ratings while president.

World leaders are calling him a great president because that is what they say when a foreign leader dies. It neither represents their or their people's true feelings. Reagan was a very unpopular leader on the world stage.

Because cable news and talk radio runs 24/7 shit about Reagan claiming he was a great president also doesn't mean much. They are hyping the hell out of the story beyond all reasonable proportion, because it boosts their ratings for awhile.

I also find the suggestion that everyone should say nice things about Reagan because he died bullshit. Phoniness isn't becoming, regardless of the circumstances. This man was VERY old, lived a privleged life at the expense of millions he helped impoverish. We should dance on his grave.

Subject: RE: BS: Ronald Reagan - Sadly Missed
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jun 04 - 06:47 PM

Well said, BillD, as always.

Dianavan said Its all in the visual and the ability to project an image the majority of Americans want to see. It has nothing to do with ability or integrity.

In the case of Clinton it had everything to do with actual ability, imo.

Bedtime for Bonzo, finally. The only good I can say is Nancy has now beocme a champion of stem cell research.