BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:49 AM

Florida finally officially admits the possibility.
Miami Herald story here.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 May 07 - 02:55 PM

Nope, I apologize. The computer did not eat the votes. The voters were "caged" by the RNC. The evidence is in the "missing" Rove emails. Details here.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: TIA
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 06:09 PM

Like who for example?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:15 AM

Sorry. The Democrats ( in charge here in Maryland) kept the former Governor ( a Republican) from requiring a paper trail for our electronic voting machines...

It IS ok if the count is off, as long as the CORRECT side controls the numbers.- Or so many believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Peace
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:06 AM

It is done that way in Canada also.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 10:46 AM

I've more than once counted votes (paper votes) in Germany. We have the idea that counting should be done in such a way that the actual result is given to the next higher stage where the votes are added.

So if someone from the opposite party says he has counted 143 votes for his party and I count again (we always double check), most likely I will count 143 votes too and if I count 144 or 142 we'll count again together with a third party parson watching.

I would never trust computers.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 11:16 PM

Depends on whether or not Harper gets re-elected. However, there are only 32 million people here and we could use more. I'd give you a sales job on Canada because I love the place, but the short version is this: Our first Prime Minister was Sir John A Macdonald. He still impresses Canadians for two reasons: the CPR which is alternately referred to as what made us a country OR the biggest land grab in history, and his prodigious bar bills. That man could DRINK! As a rule, we are really proud to have had him as our first Prime Minister.

Depending upon where you decide--if you do--to move to, the 'climate"--we call it weather--can range from hot to severe cold. It is worse when you leave the house.

Our beer is often bad. That's because we allow beer companies to get away with selling crap. We are a gullible people. We believe what the commercials say. And we tend to trust our government people because if they steal too much we throw the bums out.

That aside, if you message me, I'd be glad to try and answer questions you might have about this place.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: TIA
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:54 PM

Peace -- maybe I'm coming to your country if I can. Is it any better?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:43 PM

You will find the second 2 chapters of this short film extremely relevant.
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.tv/orwellrolls.php

or you can just listen while browsing

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:41 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Alice
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM

Thanks for the link to that article! I emailed it to a long list of people.
Time to bring this to the nation's attention and get an investigation in the public eye!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 07:20 PM

The people who are aware of that have spoken to it often on Mudcat. The people who don't know don't care. Democracy in the USA is dead. Knowing or not knowing means nothing anymore. Hell, even the Democrat-controlled Senate and House is doing bugger all to change anything. Just more cosmetics and charade.

You can't have a revolution if people won't leave their TVs. Simple as that. Best of luck to you and your country.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: TIA
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 07:02 PM

"The GOP's cyber election hit squad
by Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis
April 22, 2007

Did the most powerful Republicans in America have the computer capacity, software skills and electronic infrastructure in place on Election Night 2004 to tamper with the Ohio results to ensure George W. Bush's re-election?

The answer appears to be yes. There is more than ample documentation to show that on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website – which gave the world the presidential election results – was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites, including the secret White House e-mail accounts that have emerged in the scandal surrounding Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's firing of eight federal prosecutors.

Recent revelations have documented that the Republican National Committee (RNC) ran a secret White House e-mail system for Karl Rove and dozens of White House staffers. This high-tech system used to count and report the 2004 presidential vote– from server-hosting contracts, to software-writing services, to remote-access capability, to the actual server usage logs themselves – must be added to the growing congressional investigations.

snip

On Election Night 2004, many of the totals reported by the Secretary of State were based on local precinct results that were impossible. In Clyde, Ohio, a Republican haven, Bush won big after 131 percent voter turnout. In Republican Perry County, two precincts came in at 124 percent and 120 percent respectively. In Gahanna Ward 1, precinct B, Bush received 4,258 votes despite the fact that only 638 people voted for president. In Concord Southwest in Miami County, the certified election results proudly proclaimed at 679 out of 689 registered voters cast ballots, a 98.55 percent turnout. FreePress.org later found that only 547 voters had signed in.

snip

The most eyebrow-raising example to emerge from parsing precinct results was finding 10,500 people in three Ohio's 'Bible Belt' counties who voted to re-elect Bush and voted in favor of gay marriage, if the official results are true. That was in Warren, Butler and Clermont Counties. The most plausible explanation for this anomaly, which defies logic and was not seen anywhere else in the country, was Kerry votes were flipped to Bush while the rest of the ballot was left alone..."

the whole article


Remember what Stalin said about elections.

If any of this is true. A second American Revolution is in order.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 07:26 AM

seems like you still have your blinders on- The Dems would lose votes if they had to forgo using the Diebold systems...

"A week after the primary election was plagued by human error and technical glitches, Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) called yesterday for the state to scrap its $106 million electronic voting apparatus and revert to a paper ballot system for the November election.

"When in doubt, go paper, go low-tech," he said.

Linda H. Lamone, the administrator of the Maryland State Board of Elections, quickly denounced the plan to swap voting systems just seven weeks before the general election as "crazy." And Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert) said it "cannot happen. It will not happen."

Ehrlich said that, if necessary, he would call a special session of the Maryland General Assembly to change the law to allow paper ballots. But Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel) dismissed the idea of a special session, saying elections officials should focus instead on fixing the current system."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092001356.html


Of course, as long as the "correct" side gets the votes from the election, I guess it is ok......

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:13 AM

We all will be losers.
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: TIA
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:29 PM

Researchers at Princeton have devised easily-inserted malicious code that can be loaded in less than a minute by literally anyone, can steal votes, make all electronic and paper copies consistent (and fraudulent), and then erase itself leaving no trace. Worse, it can be installed as a virus that migrates from machine to machine on Diebold's memory cards.

See a demonstration and details here.

My faith in the results of our last several cycles of elections is now zero.

If electronic voting is not forbidden or made truly secure (by a non-partisan consortium), our Democracy is dead.

Okay Bush people, go ahead and call me a sore loser. But what if our hackers are better than your hackers in November, or in 2008?

Will you be sore losers then?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:14 PM

It appears ever more possible that the 2004 election was in fact rigged.

Apparently Diebold machines are DESIGNED to be tampered with (using only a simple screwdriver) and leave no trace.

More here...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080106E.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:06 PM

Then what would be loss except a bunch of overpaid, posturing blowhards?

Can't think of any.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:46 PM

Then what would be loss except a bunch of overpaid, posturing blowhards?

The bills should be broken down into smaller easier to digest parts.

And anybody too lazy to read them and vote deserves what they get.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:19 PM

I'm not going to comment on your take on immigrants, but I am not in substantial disagreement with your stance on the election process here in the US. Although I suspect that most voters would never take the time to read the bills they were voting on, which would make them just as ineffective as the people in Congress (who also do not read them).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:13 PM

You know, you care and it does matter just like the DHS/FEMA demands.

The Electoral College is the way someone can win without getting the most votes. It was created to suit travel and communications conditions as they were in Colonial times.

How come nobody has introduced a bill to do away with it?

If you ask me, those jerks in the senate shouldn't be allowed to do our voting for us. They are a throwback from colonial times also.

We should have a system so that all voters can vote on those bills. the crooked bastards get swayed this way and that by lobbyists special interest groups and pressure groups.

Right now they are putting off doing something about illegal aliens by fiddling aroung with making English the official language. Now that it is official de we still have to see everything written in Spanish and English so the Latinos can avoid learning english?

All those sorry suckers including GWB have to do is enforce the existing laws instead of weakening and watering them down.

If it means a head of lettuce costs $2 instead of 1$ so be it. If all the companys that employ illegals have to pay real wages and withhold taxes they will all be on the same level playing field and none of them will loose anything.

Businesses that employ those illegals are saving money and producing cheaper goods but any savings we get are more than offset by having to support thos illegals in other ways with out tax money.

Ever go to a Walmart and send a moneygram? 90% of people in line are Latinos sending money to Mexico. It costs less to send money to Mexico that it does to send it to the US. The Mexican economy depends on that money comming from the US.

Guess I got into a rant here but I feel better now.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

Who wanted the electronic machines?

Who designed and approved the famous butterfly ballot in 00?

Who "ran" the polling places in Fl in 00?


Dont know. Don't care. Doesn't matter.

The only thing that matters is for us to have free, open, fair, and verifiable elections. That's the only way we can call ourselves a democracy. Everything else is just obfuscation.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:56 PM

Who wanted the electronic machines?

Who designed and approved the famous butterfly ballot in 00?

Who "ran" the polling places in Fl in 00?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 01:29 PM

CarolC - Stifle? I gave sources for you to go to. How is that an attempt to stifle?

Oh.... I don't know... maybe it was this bit here...

Again, Just get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!


That sure looks like an order to me. And dig all those exclamation points. How many is that... 12?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 12:08 PM

Sorry, but the slashing and chainsawing took place in the days before Election day.
That type of behavior would not accomplish much in the afternoon. The Dems did tire slashing (caught in the act in some instances) the night before the election. These were the vehicles Repub workers were to use to transport voters to the polls.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:49 AM

Let me see. If I wanted to make the opposition think they were winning I could tell them I voted for the opposition on exit. Then they could quit slashing tires and chainsawing campaign signs thinking they were winning.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:31 AM

CarolC - Stifle? I gave sources for you to go to. How is that an attempt to stifle? You seem to always get defensive when someone offers an altenate point of view with a source of verification to fgo to. I am completely happy with the election.

As far as exit polls go, would not an area with 80+ percent of Kerry supporters come close to matching. If the Dems would learn to fib to the exit poller, perhaps they could generate increased interest in the voting process. They have to be the only ones who give the correct info.

My thoughts are it is no one's business how I vote. And using unverifiable info from the web, NOT priceless.

How about this;
"Dave, as a resident of Ohio who observed and recorded the vote in Greene County, I can attest to the fact that it was completely above board.....".

There, you have another source.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:26 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again,
Can't you manage a paper and pen?
Why a computer, Why a machine,
Or is simple somehow obscene?

No, seriously, why not paper ballots? Lots of counties manage just fine with them.

Unless those in power have something to fear from a vote that can be verified and recounted easily that is......

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:32 AM

I saw Elvis yesterday. Damn he has lost a lot of weight.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:51 AM

From a correspondent on IP LIst:

Subject: RE: [IP] more on Was the 2004 election stolen? Yes.

Dave - As an Ohio resident who also personally observed and recorded
the 2004 election vote recount in Greene County, I can attest to the
fact that the systematic manipulation of the recount process was
managed by phone calls and directives from SoS Blackwell's office. I
was there when the calls came in. I observed that the statutory
procedures we fledgling observers had been recently trained in were,
in fact, not followed - and when challenged, the Board of Elections
officials merely stated "they always did it this way." The Cuyahoga
County BOE was indicted for election law crimes for conducting their
2004 recount using the same process, because they had prosecutors
willing to take on the case. The illegal recount process was
systematic and controlled by the Secretary of State, now candidate
for Governor.

As far as Manjoo goes, or Steve Hertzberg for that matter, they have
been consistently publishing the same position since 2004, and I
invite them to reopen the issue themselves. To look at the mountains
of evidence compiled by grassroots Ohio activists - collaborations of
statisticians and math professors among them - and national groups
such as the one I copy below. I welcome people to read Kathy Dopp's
statistical analysis based on Ohio precinct data which knocks dead
Warren Mitofksy's weak and handwaving response suggesting there was
bias in his exit polls which showed Kerry winning Ohio. See: http://
uscountvotes.org/ Which is now the National Election Data Archive
project, a people's project to collect vote actuals data in all
future elections to prevent this kind of catastrophe from occurring
again.

The National Election Data Archive publicly released a paper "2004
Presidential Election – Compendium of Attempts to Dismiss Vote Fraud"
which solidly rebuts, in 6 short pages, the academic arguments which
claim to have shown that there is no vote fraud/miscounts in U.S.
elections.

The short compendium of academic attempts to dismiss vote fraud
includes claims made by the Democratic National Committee and
pollster Warren Mitofksy among others:

http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/
IncorrectElectionDataAnalysis-06.pdf

Every argument that Mitofksy, Election Science Institute, the
Democratic National Committee, and others have made which purports
that there is no evidence of vote miscount in U.S. elections is
refuted in a page or less in this short compendium by the National
Election Data Archive's volunteer statisticians and mathematicians.

Warren Mitofsky is very well respected within AAPOR due to his past
work and leadership. Consequently Mitofsky's position, that exit
poll discrepancies were caused by partisan response bias rather than
vote miscounts is given great weight within AAPOR. However, the
National Election Data Archive, describes recent Mitofsky analyses
which were presented by Mitofsky and Fritz Scheuren at recent ASA.org
and AAPOR.org conferences, as "sophistry" rather than mathematically
valid analyses.

The National Election Data Archive points out that the National
Election Pool (NEP) and Mitofsky have not yet released any exit poll
data or analysis publicly that supports this response bias
hypothesis. Yet all the data regarding pollster conditions which
Mitofsky claims they analyzed would not pose any risk to voter
confidentiality to release.

The National Election Data Archive invites everyone to read its
concise paper which solidly rebuts all the arguments made to date
which claim to demonstrate a lack of evidence of vote fraud in U.S.
elections.

(Leaving my contact info out)

---

Hmmmm?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:42 AM

Read Bobby Kennedy's blockbuster article in this month's Rolling Stone!

It wasn't just in Ohio or Florida but a systemic national problem.

You still think there's Democracy left in the U.S.?

Can anyone here prove that the 2000 or 2004 elections are valid?

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:34 PM

It's also pretty obvious, Guest, 03 Jun 06 - 09:22 AM, and 03 Jun 06 - 09:30 AM, that you don't have any confidence in the results of the election yourself, or you wouldn't be trying so hard to stifle discussion about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:57 PM

You clearly didn't read the article, Guest,03 Jun 06 - 09:22 AM.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Mack
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:44 AM

Hey!

Before we can settle this, we first have to settle the outcome of the war Confederate States of America against the Union.

Then we can whup the shit out of the political party that bitched about the problems they created with the existing voting system and demanded the electronic system.

M

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:30 AM

By the way, the voting machines do provide a complete paper trail.

Did anyone here stop and think if the Democrats really, really thought there was election fraud, that a major lawsuit would have been instigated by now. Not by Congress, but, by the Party.

(or the NY Times, CBS news, Washington Post, CNN, etc., etc., etc.)

Again, Just get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:22 AM

Six months later, this thread is revived (as if it had any life to begin with?) and for what???????

I am very familiar with the Columbus, Ohio voting stats - call the Franklin County (Columbus) Director of Elections and get his views on any irregularities in '04. This is the only place in Ohio where there were charges of vote problems. The only other area was in the Northeast part of the state where Democratic poll workers were given false directions to Republican voters. but that doesn't really count.


And, when you contact that Elections Director, he will tell you point blank that the election results were filed with no irregularities noted. Any charges to that regard were groundless.

Don't take my word for it, contact him. And by the way, when you do, ask him what his other position was during the election. He will inform you that he was also Chairman of the Franklin County Democratic Party.


Do it! And then just get over it!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:56 AM

All circumstantial evidence, and I doubt anyone will ever prove it, short of a confession by someone involved....but I can't say I'd be a BIT surprised if it were true.

Two elections in a row, huh? In a country that prides itself of free elections....gee.....

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:57 AM

This part here is especially telling (emphasis mine)...


    "What's more, Freeman found, the greatest disparities between exit polls and the official vote count came in Republican strongholds. In precincts where Bush received at least eighty percent of the vote, the exit polls were off by an average of ten percent. By contrast, in precincts where Kerry dominated by eighty percent or more, the exit polls were accurate to within three tenths of one percent - a pattern that suggests Republican election officials stuffed the ballot box in Bush country. [39]

    "When you look at the numbers, there is a tremendous amount of data that supports the supposition of election fraud," concludes Freeman. "The discrepancies are higher in battleground states, higher where there were Republican governors, higher in states with greater proportions of African-American communities and higher in states where there were the most Election Day complaints. All these are strong indicators of fraud - and yet this supposition has been utterly ignored by the press and, oddly, by the Democratic Party."

    The evidence is especially strong in Ohio. In January, a team of mathematicians from the National Election Data Archive, a nonpartisan watchdog group, compared the state's exit polls against the certified vote count in each of the forty-nine precincts polled by Edison/Mitofsky. In twenty-two of those precincts - nearly half of those polled - they discovered results that differed widely from the official tally. Once again - against all odds - the widespread discrepancies were stacked massively in Bush's favor: In only two of the suspect twenty-two precincts did the disparity benefit Kerry. The wildest discrepancy came from the precinct Mitofsky numbered "27," in order to protect the anonymity of those surveyed. According to the exit poll, Kerry should have received sixty-seven percent of the vote in this precinct. Yet the certified tally gave him only thirty-eight percent. The statistical odds against such a variance are just shy of one in 3 billion. [40]

    Such results, according to the archive, provide "virtually irrefutable evidence of vote miscount." The discrepancies, the experts add, "are consistent with the hypothesis that Kerry would have won Ohio's electoral votes if Ohio's official vote counts had accurately reflected voter intent." [41] According to Ron Baiman, vice president of the archive and a public policy analyst at Loyola University in Chicago, "No rigorous statistical explanation" can explain the "completely nonrandom" disparities that almost uniformly benefited Bush. The final results, he adds, are "completely consistent with election fraud - specifically vote shifting.""

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 03:54 PM

A very scarey compilation (fully-referenced) of all of the irregularities appears in Rolling Stone, and is reprinted here.

When I see it all in one place, I (no conspiracy nut, but a thorough *gasp* skeptic), it's hard not to arrive at a pretty obvious conclusion. If this is true, what's left but revolution?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 08:26 PM

This story (bloke who claims to have worked for a computer company, and actually wrote vote untraceable vote switching software for a Republican politician in Forida) is popping up in several places now. Links are here....

The bloke (Clinton Curtis) has posted the code here...

He challenges computer geeks to look at it and state whether it would work or not. He claims it does. He says he gave a CD with a detailed report and the code to his boss (who was working for a Republican pol. in FL) who told him to shut up and forget about it.

All a hoax? Possibly.

Should this be examined thoroughly? Absolutely.

Am I speaking in Rumsfeldian? You bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 08:23 PM

I hope that people in the USA can learn something from what happened in the Ukraine over the past few weeks.

Powerful people do set out to steal elections. And if you want to stop that happening it takes courage and determination.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Genie
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 08:13 PM

Little Hawk, you're absolutely right!

It should not be necessary to prove that someone DID tamper with the electronic vote count. The point is that if cheating of this magnitude CAN occur and be difficult or impossible to detect, THERE'S SOMETHING HORRIBLY WRONG WITH THE PROCESS.

No voter should be disenfranchised by making it extraorinarily difficult to vote. Attempts to suppress voter turnout through intimidation, deception, etc., should be treated as the serious crimes that they are -- with rigorous prosecution and with penalties strong enough to discourage such activities.
Ballots should never be discarded (destroyed) until years after an election. They clearly should not be destroyed until the parties involved in the election have had opportunity to mount legal challenges to their disqualification if they desire.

Not only are paper ballots necessary, but hand recounts should be available as a remedy in any case a candidate or party has reason to believe the machine count may be in error (provided they pay for the recount, if the initial results are not close). In fact, hand recounting of a scientific sample of ballots should be done routinely as a check on the electronic results.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:11 AM

It's mine!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:10 AM

99

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 11:07 AM

If there is any WAY to cheat on voting results and get away with it (theoretically, I mean)...it WILL be done. By either Republicans or Democrats. It will. Depend on it. Computerized voting machines with no paper trail are a marvelous opportunity for cheating. All you have to do is purchase someone's services to alter the softward to change the result. That someone can either be at the top echelon of the company which manufactures the voting machines...or part way down the chain.

To imagine they would NOT try to cheat under such circumstances would be naive. To imagine that everyone in the companies making the voting machines and software is so honest and morally upright as NOT to be willing to accept a payoff for arranging such cheating would be even more naive.

There simply HAS to be a verifiable paper trail on every vote cast in an election. And, believe me, even that leaves room for cheating, because paper ballots can be forged, "lost", or destroyed.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 11:51 PM

Well, here's the affidavit if anyone's interested;

http://www.rawstory.com/images/pdfs/CC_Affidavit_120604.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

This story is just breaking, and as with all blog swirls, could be total crap, but I'm going to track it because it is scarey if true...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: Nerd
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:53 PM

LarryK,

Don't flatter yourself. If I did not recognize your "satire" it's because it was completely unfunny.

Your apology for being so damn stupid, however, is accepted.

The problem with your claims is that the only evidence that can invalidate the exit polls is a complete vote count, which has still not occurred. "Overvotes," "undervotes," and all those nightmarish bullshit categories created by our obsessive need for instant gratification (computers counting votes is just a bad idea, and serves no purpose except to speed up the news cycle) ensures that we don't have an accurate vote count. Since we KNOW the vote count cannot be accurate, why assume the exit polls were not accurate? What evidence can you supply, besides the vote counts, which everyone knows are faulty? I have supplied references to a statistical analysis, and TIA supplied the link. I'll bet you're too scared or closed-minded to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: DougR
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:38 PM

Hilarous!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Help! The computer ate OH & FL votes!
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:48 PM

Nerd: I apologize for being so stupid that I thought you were intelligent enough to understand my satire.   I promise to never make that mistake again. I will also try to use small words as much as possible to not confuse you.

The exit polls should be the accurate polls but they weren't this elelction. Dick Morris feels there should be a congressional investigation about fraud on these exit polls.   PS:   Zogby and Gallup weren't any better.   The Zogby final poll showed Kerry with 311 electoral votes.   And people paid money for that research?

Genie:   We basically agree that every vote should be counted. That includes all military votes as well.   Something the democrats try to prevent every year.   I am also concerned with the Detroit Free Press runs headlines about voted fraud from democrats with registrations of dead and non existant people.   I am also concerned about Philadelphia which had 2,300 votes counted before the polls opened.   The mayor explained they were left over from 2002 and they forgot to clear them.   And the dog ate my homework.

If Diebolt systems were so easy to manipulate, the democrats would have stolen the election years ago.   According to Diebolt employees, they are self contained and impossible to hack or manipulate.

But hang on to your fantasy.    If it gets you through the day.