BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 07:43 AM

The above post by Raggytash is the most truthful one of this thread.

July 20th, 05 "Bush is gone"?????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:49 PM

Hmmmm. Interesting development with unknown consequence. Since Rove has been moved back into the political arm of the administration in preparation for the upcoming elections this fall, it is hard to believe that dubya wouldn't have a plan ready to go for a day like this. However, W has not yet shown any signs of seeing beyond the tip of his nose so who knows?

Karl Rove Indicted

    "During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.
    "Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

    "It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators."



Whither Now

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:59 PM

I am so shocked!

But I'll get over it if he's sentenced for 20 years or so of hard labor, in some Eastern European country without central heating.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 May 06 - 10:50 PM

Is this really true?

Somebody pinch me... I think I'm dreaming.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: dianavan
Date: 13 May 06 - 11:42 PM

Karl Rove will probably be indicted but Bush will pardon him.

Seems that Cheney may in a little hot water himself. Investigators are still looking at his contempt for Wilson and the possibility that it was Cheney that outed Valerie Plame.

We all know, of course, that they will be pardoned.

They will never do jail time because they have to teach their proteges how to engage in dirty tricks. For every name that goes under, a new name emerges.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 May 06 - 10:07 AM

The reports in my home paper today indicate that the prosecutor has filed a copy of Wilson's op-ed piece with Cheney's hand-written comments on it, circles and obscene doddles. Do we have a "smoking gun?"

It seems likely to me that Mr. Libby turned the newspaper article over to the prosecutor as part of his defence that he was only "following orders." But you'll probably read about that tomorrow.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 14 May 06 - 12:53 PM

Ebbie, both you and Truthout deserve a Pulizer for scooping both the NY Times AND the Washington Post.

Blogs ARE better, eh? Well, at least consistent.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 May 06 - 02:08 PM

Ebbie, both you and Truthout deserve a Pulizer for scooping both the NY Times AND the Washington Post.

It's not so difficult to do, really (regardless of whether or not this one proves to be true).

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 14 May 06 - 06:32 PM

Good Grief!!!!!!!!

First of all, the NY Times and the Post have more WH insiders than Ebbie's source has total personnel.

Plus, notice I left the 't' out the word Pulitzer' - 't' standing for "truth" in this situation.

Dam'n, don't you think by now the NYT and Post would have done something? No one ever said that Blogs have to print the truth.
And, they rarely do - it is all about entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 06 - 09:58 PM

First of all, G, Truthout is NOT a Blog.

It may or may not be true- anyone want to bet?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:11 PM

Oh, geeze....

I haven't heard that the big fat lair is going to be indicted but, hey, he is a big fat liar...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:37 PM

Excerpt from Ebbies "scoop" link above:

"Saturday 13 May 2006

    Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

    During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning.

    Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, did not return a call for comment. Sources said Fitzgerald was in Washington, DC, Friday and met with Luskin for about 15 hours to go over the charges against Rove, which include perjury and lying to investigators about how and when Rove discovered that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA operative and whether he shared that information with reporters, sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said.

    It was still unknown Saturday whether Fitzgerald charged Rove with a more serious obstruction of justice charge. Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included with charges of perjury and lying to investigators...."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:37 PM

Dam'n, don't you think by now the NYT and Post would have done something?

No, I don't. They only publish what they consider to be in their interests to publish. The fact of their not publishing something is in no way an indication that it didn't happen or isn't true. They don't cover important stuff all the time.

I guess we'll know, eventually, whether or not this story is true or false. But if it's true, I'm going to enjoy it when you come back here to admit you were wrong. You will do that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 14 May 06 - 11:57 PM

most peculiar.
Here is what Carl Rove's attorney told a reporter for the National Review:

Q: Did Patrick Fitzgerald come to Patton Boggs for 15 hours Friday?
A: No.
Q: Did he come to Patton Boggs for any period of time Friday?
A: No.
Q: Did he meet anywhere else with Karl Rove's representatives?
Q: No.
Q: Did he communicate in any way with Karl Rove's representatives?
A: No.
Q: Did he inform Rove or Rove's representatives that Rove had been indicted?
A: No.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 12:00 AM

sorry, that's from http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3870

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 12:05 AM

Not even Donuel's going with the story. Truthout's going to get some jokes about its name, looks like.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:59 AM

SOmebody's going to be very pissed at their "high level sources" if this turns out to have been a mistake, a joke, or an intentional deception.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:00 PM

" Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

" Details of Rove's discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

"Speaking on condition of anonymity, sources confirmed Rove's indictment is imminent. These individuals requested anonymity saying they were not authorized to speak publicly about Rove's situation. A spokesman in the White House press office said they would not comment on "wildly speculative rumors."

" Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, did not return a call for comment Friday."

I agree- if it isn't true there will be some red faces

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:00 PM

Apparently, Chris Matthews has also been making some predictions about this as well, although he has been a bit less definite in his predictions than Truthout. It's possible that Fitzgerald is trying to squeeze more out of Rove, and this is a part of that effort.

Time will tell, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 01:46 PM

Bloggers on the right are going for blood. Leaving that alone, take a look at what Howard Kurtz wrote about Jason Leopold in the Washington Post in 2005(yes, March, 2005).

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:06 PM

Ebbie, if Truthout is not a Blog, then what is it?

And you should also get the various Dictionaries corrected.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 06:00 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 15 May 06 - 06:02 PM

and more than that:

"At a Michigan Trial Lawyers' Association dinner Saturday night in Dearborn, Mich., the group's vice president Robert Raitt announced — according to the Detroit Free Press — that President Bush's longtime strategist had just been indicted. The announcement reportedly prompted a standing ovation by the crowd of 700, which included Sen. Hillary Clinton."
msnbc

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 May 06 - 08:11 PM

Karl's indictment day will come.

Cheney's scribbles on the New York Times Op Ed story by Wilson were show this evening on CNN. The scribbles were not particularly obscene, as I've been hoping, but did imply that Wilson's wife may have been responsible for sending him out on a "junket" to Niger. Still looks like a smoking gun to me. It's not clear at this point who turned over the original New York Times with the scribbles, whether it was Cheney's office staff or Libby or some other angel.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:20 PM

Another announcement - the Earth IS flat!

The Dems will cheer at anything, hoping that it is true, as they have no plan of their own.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:43 PM

http://www.truthout.com/index.htm

Read that and decide for yourself.

G, you gettin' nervous? Your heroes falling into the drek? Fear not. They love it there.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 15 May 06 - 09:47 PM

I notice the article mentions the word "Democrat" a couple of times, but I don't know why they or you, G, are assuming the people in attendance at that dinner were Democrats. There were probably quite a few Republicans there as well and even people with no party affiliation. That just looks like an attempt to smear Democrats on the part of MSNBC.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:57 AM

Now according to the Truthout source the indictment was served on Rove and he was supposedly given 24 hours to put his affairs in order last Saturday, which means if what Truthout reported was correct Rove would have been arrested on Monday.

The mnsbc link that GUEST,heric supplied and quoted in part, in the post of 15 May 06 - 06:02 PM, goes on to state:

"Strange then that a relaxed-looking Rove – not indicted, not out on bail, and wearing a business suit, not orange prison garb -- was in person at the right-wing think tank, American Enterprise Institute Monday morning."

From the WSJ Online (3 hours ago):

"But there is no evidence the Bush adviser was indicted last week. His lawyer says it is plain wrong. Mr. Fitzgerald hasn't commented, and he is expected in coming weeks to make a decision about whether to charge Mr. Rove for perjury or related wrongdoing in the matter."

Very true observations from the same article:

"Politics, and the arguments it stirs, lends itself to the Internet. Bloggers have the latitude to issue one-sided analysis that makes leaps to connect the dots in ways that more-guarded news organizations couldn't."

"...bloggers can focus on one story like the leak probe, scrutinizing each new tidbit -- whether innuendo or fact -- and speculating about how it fits in with information already known."

"Mainstream news organizations say bloggers can say something is going to happen every day for months and then claim to be ahead of the pack when it does -- or forget about it when it doesn't."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: heric
Date: 16 May 06 - 12:59 AM

(When I posted that I wasn't even thinking about Repub v. Democrat. I was only thinking about new media v. corporate media. Truthout obviously has a following, and yet they gave that Leopold guy a loaded pen and set him loose, entirely unsupervised.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 16 May 06 - 02:46 PM

Not getting nervous, I am very confident - keeping in mind I am not totally satisfied with the way everything is being conducted. Your comment is simply wishful thinking on your part.

Any further information on the source "not being a ....Blog" and how are you doing with corrections that need to be made in the Dictionaries?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:25 PM

Leopold says Rove's mouthpieces are liars.

href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060515_jason_leopold_update.htm">"opednews.com"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:29 PM

I'm sorry, G- I'm too stupid. I don't understand your comment about the dictionaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 16 May 06 - 03:32 PM

By the way CarolC, I can't tell if you are extremely biased or just paranoid. Go back to see what that meeting was for, the one where "everyone stood up and appaluded".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 May 06 - 04:22 PM

It was for trial lawyers, Guest,G. Are you saying that all trial lawyers are Democrats?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 16 May 06 - 04:53 PM

Very familiar with Michigan and Michigan is a major Dem state and, it is a known fact that the majority of trial lawyers are Dems..


Ebbie, nice try - the Dictionaries definition of 'blog' fits your source to a 'T'.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 May 06 - 04:56 PM

Could you back up your speculation with some documentation and numbers please, Guest,G?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 May 06 - 06:07 PM

5 entries found for blog.
Main Entry:   blog
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   an online diary; a personal chronological log of thoughts published on a Web page; also called Weblog, Web log
Example:   Typically updated daily, blogs often reflect the personality of the author.
Etymology:   shortened form of Weblog
Usage:   blog, blogged, blogging v, blogger n

Not by this definition

Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC

Main Entry:   blog
Definition:   to author an online diary or chronology of thoughts
Etymology:   19992004; abbr. of Weblog
Usage:   blogged, blogging; blogger, n

Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC

Nor by this one

Main Entry:   weblog
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   a personal Web site that provides updated headlines and news articles of other sites that are of interest to the user, also may include journal entries, commentaries and recommendations compiled by the user; also written web log, Weblog; also called blog
Usage:   computing

Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.6)
Copyright © 2003-2005 Lexico Publishing Group, LLC

"...a personal Web site that provides updated headlines and news articles of other sites that are of interest to the user"
Closer in meanig to this but still no cigar. Truthout gathers information from all over.
blog

n : a shared on-line journal where people can post diary entries about their personal experiences and hobbies [syn: web log]

Not by this definition

By the way, G, are you trying hard to be unpleasant or does it come naturally to you? If truth and information have value to you, I would think your reactions would reflect it.

Incidentally, you say you are 'confident'- do you mean that you have confidence in the president? And in the short term future of this country? Please tell me on what you base your confidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 May 06 - 08:36 PM

Odd that the "Democratic" state of Michigan had at least 12 years of Republican Governor Engler.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:24 PM

Odd that the state had 80% of the past 40+ years with Repub Governors.............???? But we were not talking about that position, were we?

Ebbie, no, I am a very pleasant and easy going person. However, I will not accept your interpretations of the above. You keep them, no matter how erroneous they are to others. Just take some time and go back over them, particulary Webster's which states "commentaries".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 16 May 06 - 10:27 PM

Question: Has Karl Rove been indicted?

Simple Question requires only a YES or NO answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 May 06 - 11:11 PM

Amazing how we see ourselves, isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 May 06 - 11:15 PM

Still, I think if you want us to take seriously your assertions about how many people at the dinner were Democrats as opposed to Republicans, Guest,G, you'll need to provide some numbers.

I happen to know some trial lawyers who are Republicans, and I also know some Michiganders who are Republicans, and I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate being called "Democrats" by you.

Or, you could consider the possibility that there are Republicans who are upset enough with Karl Rove to want to see him indicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 May 06 - 10:22 AM

My son in law is a lawyer, and he is a very conservative Republican. I await the day he wakes up.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 May 06 - 12:35 PM

The next to come in was an attorney,
Who'd returned from an arduous journey,
Who'd returned from an arduous journey
For to join with the jovial crew;
He'd traveled this whole wide world around,
He'd searched through cities, he'd searched through towns.
There was no justice to be found!

When Jones' Ale wasnew, me boys,
When Jones' Ale was new!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,G
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:07 PM

Ebbie said "amazing how we see ourselves, isn't it?"

Yes it is, Ebbie, and that is why you are and CarolC are a constant source of amazement/amusement to me and, I am sure, to some others.

With that comment, and some of the replies I have seen, I am now convinced that anymore commentary in this place would simply be a continued waste of my time. Without a home office, I would not be doing this. Even though I have many work days that are less than 8 hours in length, filling in the remaining time by coming here no longer makes sense.

So, I bid everyone a farewell. (and I know as others have said, 'don't let the door hit me in the a** on the way out'.)

Be sure that I will not allow that to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:29 PM

LOL

But you make a good point, Guest,G. If you can't substantiate your claims in a discussion of this sort, you are probably better off not participating, because people will ask you back your claims up with some documentation. That's how we know you're not just blowing hot air.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:42 PM

"Among those who declined to join the standing ovation was Michigan Court of Appeals Chief Judge William Whitbeck, one of the few Republican officeholders in attendance"

Detroit Free Press

(Not that I see any significance to this cavil.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 17 May 06 - 03:58 PM

I wonder how Brian Dickerson determined that the audience was "heavily Democratic". Show of hands, maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 07:56 PM

Again....

Q: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???

A: Evidently not or else he would have at least been indicted the same as Libby.

Drop it.....case closed.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: number 6
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 08:02 PM

"Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???"

yup

and as I've been saying all along ... "there is nothing we can do about it" .... and unfortunately, today is prove of that.

sIx