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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Ebbie Date: 23 Jul 05 - 05:59 PM jpk, Karl Rove is a top-ranked confidant and advisor to the President of the United States. On the other hand, it is Media's job to keep an eye on and report on what a country does. Very different functions, might you agree? As for Robert Novak- because of the secret deal he has made with SOMEBODY, we don't yet know just what he has done. All we know for sure is that he is the one who first outed Valerie Plame. It may have been- probably was- irresponsible and if so, he'll have to pay a penalty for that. I don't like the man but I'm willing to wait until the facts are on the table. Ad for how one feels about the job the CIA does, of course it depends "on the day and issue." The CIA is an agency. We are not required to give it our unquestioning love and devotion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Peace Date: 23 Jul 05 - 06:01 PM And thank the Lord for that. They are a disgusting agency with agendas that have no commerce with democracy or the Constitution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 05 - 10:30 PM Well, well, well... Seems that with the Senate havin' scheduled the hearing's on Bush's Supreme Court nominee fir September, if Bush thought that he would be taking the heat off Rove with the nomination.... it has backfired. Rove is back on the front page of the Washington Post and New York Times... Hmmmmm? Maybe Bush actaully called the shots on this one himself rather tyhan let Rove call them? Get my drift??? Maybe Bush has figgured out that Rove has to go??? Hmmmmm? Tghin about it... Rove goes, or pretends to go, and Bush gats a claen slate... He can get up on his soapbox ans scream, "The Devil made me do it" and all will be forgiven??? Just like the little weizel did when he had a couple DUI's and a few too many lines of a suspiscious powdery substance up the ol' beezer??? Yeah, I can see it now... Bush becomes not only born again but born ***yet*** again... Maybe the masses will think he is the second coming and folks will wait in lines atthe White house gates to be healed of leperasy or, worse yet, being Democrats... Hmmmmmmm? Hmmmmmmm, part B???? Think about it... (Meanwhile, unbeknownst to anyone, in a secret room unner the White House there is a certain little fat man pullin' levers...) Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 24 Jul 05 - 03:55 AM Ebbie, "I don't like the man but I'm willing to wait until the facts are on the table." But only for Novak, and not Rove? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Ebbie Date: 24 Jul 05 - 04:36 AM Rove has made his statements, bb. By his own admissions, he DID talk about Valerie Plame. Novak hasn't said anything publicly. Yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:44 AM Hey, the fact that Rove is downplaying the manner in which he outed out a CIA operative doesn't change the fact that he did it... It don't matter if it was a casual remark or a serious remark. It don't matter if it happened at the beginnin', middle or end of a conversation. He did it. It doesn't matter if he named her personally since he named her thru husband's name. Or that's his story. But, story or not, in namin' her husband it don't take no rocker sergeon to follow the dots here. He did it. This defense, if that's what one can call it, is so full of crap it's silly, because bottom, they admit he did it??? What am I missin' here other than why Novak, a Bushite with a typewriter, ain't in jail gettin' the cell all comfy fir his buddy, Fat Boy Karl... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Frankham Date: 24 Jul 05 - 09:58 AM The crime has been committed but the defense rests with the authority of the White House. It's "traitorgate". Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 24 Jul 05 - 09:33 PM Hmmmmm, Frank, are you insinuatin' that Bush is also a big fat liar and should be arrested fir treason???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: jpk Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:06 PM ebbie,as far as disagreeing with me goes,go for it,at least we know we agree we can disagree.be willin ta bet that we could sit ta a cold one an probably get along fine,no letin it get under the skin. have a nice day an god bless maybe that is what the big boys need ta try,teeshirts an shorts with a cold bud[or whichever]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Ebbie Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:25 PM Nice thought, jpk, but it doesn't address the point. Politeness, good will and camaraderie are good but dialogue is important. Sitting with a cold one (Make mine Alaska Amber) is good only as far as it goes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 05 - 09:01 PM Yeah, I unnerstand that Bush can be a fine feller to be around after a few, ahhhhhhh, pretzels.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: CarolC Date: 25 Jul 05 - 09:16 PM Hey, Bobert's on to something there... If they get rid of Rove, who's going to administer the "pretzels" when W doesn't behave? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Ebbie Date: 25 Jul 05 - 10:09 PM Hoo boy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 05 - 10:16 PM Well, in answer to the question asked in the thread title, judging from photos I've seen of him, I'd say that Karl Rove is a little fat liar. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 25 Jul 05 - 10:41 PM Hey, Don, that's like splittin' hairs here... You don't have to be all that big to be a "big fat liar".... All ya gotta do is, ahhhhh, lie as if you were bigger.... an' fatter..... Everything is relative... B:) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Don Firth Date: 25 Jul 05 - 10:56 PM He's such a little man in so many ways. He looks like a cuddly little cherub and you want to just wrap an arm around his head and give him a noogie. But you're right. That doesn't stop him from being a big, fat liar. Machiavelli, at least, had the decency to look a bit villainous. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Greg F. Date: 25 Jul 05 - 11:34 PM That's OK- Rove's buddy Norquist looks a bit more like a villain. Rove's only one of many, anyway- The BuShites have a whole pantheon of these obnoxious little shits doing their dirty work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: number 6 Date: 25 Jul 05 - 11:54 PM Is Karl Rove a big fat liar ... yes ..... and there is nothing we can do about it. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: GUEST,Karl Rove Date: 26 Jul 05 - 01:03 AM Ah'm not fat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 26 Jul 05 - 09:50 PM Ahhhhh, nice to live in world without mirrors.... Yer fat, get over it, ya' big fat liein' weisel.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 26 Jul 05 - 10:12 PM I notice that Guest Karl Rove {26 Jul 05 - 01:03 AM} didn't deny that he is a big liar. Hmmm... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: number 6 Date: 26 Jul 05 - 10:51 PM He's not denying because he did lie.... and he is smug,comfy and secure knowing there is nothing we can do about it. ... and yes he is fat. Fatter than his good buddy and pal Carl Novak. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: dianavan Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:18 PM I think the reason he isn't married is because he probably has some rather large "trust" issues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: GUEST,Kael Rove Date: 27 Jul 05 - 12:19 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: DougR Date: 27 Jul 05 - 01:03 AM I had some catching up to do as I've been in the cool, cool, State of Alaska. I'm back in the hot, hot, State of Arizona now, though, and ready to tackle the difficult questions posed by ole Bobert, Don, Ebbie, etc. My answer: 1964 is a long way behind us folks, and conservatisim hasn't changed that much, but the world has. One thing that never seems to change, though, is the pessimism of the liberals who profess to be progressives (sometimes I really think THEY think they are). It's good to be back! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Amos Date: 27 Jul 05 - 01:17 AM Wayyyyyy back! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Ebbie Date: 27 Jul 05 - 02:01 AM Waaaay back and to the right. *G* Welcome back, Doug. Where in Alaska did you go? If you were in Juneau, I'm going to be miffed- you don't call, you don't write... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 27 Jul 05 - 07:53 AM I was wonderin' why things have been so peaceful of late.... Now I got it figgured out... Waaaay Back Dougie been outta town... Ahhhh, yo Dougie... Just how do Karl Rove's lies make progressive thinking people pessimists, anyway? That's kinda a giant leap of logic fir this ol' hillbilly... Even hurt the Wes Ginny Slide Rule's head... But good to see yer illogical, yet always the consumate Bush loyalist self, back... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Don Firth Date: 27 Jul 05 - 12:17 PM You mean conservative principles change when conditions change, Doug? I wonder how Goldwater would view the current batch of "conservatives" deficit spending in a manner that makes even the most hard-charging "tax-and-spend" liberal turn pale. Or start wars of empire. Or compromise civil liberties. Or snoop into people's bedrooms. That's not conservatism as I understand it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: jpk Date: 27 Jul 05 - 05:14 PM maybe if rove had of gone to the right law school,he could have learned how to get away with it.maybe hill or bill could give him some pointers.and as far as getting hitched, maybe he's looking to find the big score, kinda like kerry[2 time winner in the money marriage racket] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 27 Jul 05 - 06:01 PM deflect, deflect, deflect |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: number 6 Date: 27 Jul 05 - 07:54 PM I hear that Karl Rove is getting a rather hefty (yes in fat) salary increase. And there's nothin' we can do about it I apologise for my error in my previous response to this thread. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 27 Jul 05 - 08:00 PM re comments about Rove's marriage status, I understand that he is married, and that this is his 2nd married... Not that this has anything at all to do with his lying and possibly treasonous actions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Jul 05 - 08:01 PM Let me see... A memeber of the Executive branch who is being investigated for possibly having commited a felony should be removed from office, even before the investigation has been completed. Is that correct? From what I hear, the "agent" in question had not been covert for 8 years- and the law gives protection for 5 years after being covert. So, what law was broken? As for Rove "admitting" anything, Clinton admitted lying to a grand jury ( a felony) and Kerry admitted to actions that were treason. I gues it just depends on whether you think that the law should apply to everyone, or just the people you don't approve of... Must be that Wes Ginny Slide Rule... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: GUEST Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:34 AM Did anyone see a few days ago where the NY Times said, regarding Rove, that "no crime was committed"? Will have to get that on here. Secondly, where has all the talk of this horrible "crime" been the last few days? Scouring the NY Times and the W. Post reveals zero. I honestly think, true or not regarding Rove, that we might have a lot more to fear from the possibility of mad cow disease. Not to insinuate that several may be posting here. Yes, Ms. Plame had been an analyst the past 8 years, not covert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: GUEST,G Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:40 AM previous post by G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: jpk Date: 28 Jul 05 - 04:53 PM maybe madcow got its start in a political circle,and is just now starting to spread to the more intelligent classes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 28 Jul 05 - 05:19 PM What the newspapers report and what we think doesn't mean doodly-squat. I'm waiting to see if there will be Grand Jury indictments. If "justice" still means anything in the USA, there should be a bunch of them since IMO "Treasongate" is far bigger than Iran-Contra, Watergate, and Clinton's affair with Monica. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Jul 05 - 07:10 PM Azizi "What the newspapers report and what we think doesn't mean doodly-squat. " 100 % agreement with you on this. "I'm waiting to see if there will be Grand Jury indictments. " 100% agreement with you on this. "If "justice" still means anything in the USA, there should be a bunch of them since IMO "Treasongate" is far bigger than Iran-Contra, Watergate, and Clinton's affair with Monica. " Given your first two points, I do not see where this came from. Did he commit a crime? How do you know? Newspaper reports? No grand jury YET... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 28 Jul 05 - 07:39 PM beardedbruce, I wrote that what the newspapers report or what we say [here or anywhere else] about what some are calling "Treasongate" means nothing at all. However, I did not mean to imply that newspapers shouldn't be writing about this, or that Americans & others shouldn't be sharing our opinions. When I googled "Rove outing Plame" today there were 207,000 possible story hits. Here is one of them: "July 03, 2005 Rove Confirms Meeting, Denies "Outing" Plame The Houston Chronicle reports that: Karl Rove, one of President Bush's closest advisers, spoke with a Time magazine reporter days before the name of a CIA operative surfaced in the media but did not leak the information, a lawyer for Rove said Saturday in a new admission in the case. And the Washington Times reports that Newsweek ... reported on its Web site Saturday that e-mails surrendered by Time Inc. show Rove was one of Cooper's sources. Newsweek based its report on information from lawyers for witnesses "sympathetic to the White House." Department of Justice Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating "the alleged outing of Plame by syndicated columnist Robert Novak on July 14, 2003." Rove has testified before the grand jury three times, most recently in October 2004. Fitzgerald's reach has been broad, including both President Bush and Vice President Cheney, Matt Cooper, the Time reporter, and Judith Miller, of the New York Times, could be jailed on Wednesday for refusing to cooperate with the grand jury investigation. Neither journalist broke the story naming Valerie Plame as a CIA agent; that was Robert Novak, a conservative columnist. Time subsequently published a story naming Plame; theh NY Times did not. The Guardian reports that "Novak has refused to say whether he has testified or been subpoenaed." According to Newsweek: Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special prosecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talked to prosecutors with the permission of their sources... In early October 2003, NEWSWEEK reported that immediately after Novak's column appeared in July, Rove called MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and told him that Wilson's wife was "fair game." But White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters at the time that any suggestion that Rove had played a role in outing Plame was "totally ridiculous." Writing in Salon in October 2003, John Dean says that the Bush Administration actions trump former President Nixon: I thought I had seen political dirty tricks as foul as they could get, but I was wrong. In blowing the cover of CIA agent Valerie Plame to take political revenge on her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, for telling the truth, Bush's people have out-Nixoned Nixon's people. And my former colleagues were not amateurs by any means." Read more here about Rove Outing Plame -snip- After following this story, I have reached the conclusion that Rove and a number of other people are GUILTY AS SIN. But again, my opinion doesn't matter at all. You might reach the completely opposite opinion-and, with all due respect, it really doesn't matter one way or the other. What matters is what the Special Prosecuter does and what the Grand Jury concludes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Jul 05 - 08:07 PM I agree that they should be writing about it- but your conclusion is like the certainty some in the South had that someone was guilty of a crime because of the color of their skin. "Just because he is a neo-con..." As I said, what was the crime that he commited? The law about covert agents STATES 5 years, and she had been overt for 8- so there was no law broken.... But hell, let's lynch the n*... I mean Neo-con anyway. I think the matter should be investigated- But I find it interesting how many here who supported Clinton's felony perjury seem to think that people should be held accountable for their crimes... ( not a comment to Azizi, as do not know her opinion of that matter,) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 28 Jul 05 - 08:44 PM As to the question, was Valerie Plame an undercover agent at the time of her 'outing', apparently the CIA says "yes". See this article: The Bush Administration Adopts a Worse-than-Nixonian Tactic: The Deadly Serious Crime Of Naming CIA Operatives By JOHN W. DEAN On July 14, in his syndicated column, Chicago Sun-Times journalist Robert Novak reported that Valerie Plame Wilson - the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, and mother of three-year-old twins - was a covert CIA agent. (She had been known to her friends as an "energy analyst at a private firm.") Why was Novak able to learn this highly secret information? It turns out that he didn't have to dig for it. Rather, he has said, the "two senior Administration officials" he had cited as sources sought him out, eager to let him know. And in journalism, that phrase is a term of art reserved for a vice president, cabinet officers, and top White House officials. On July 17, Time magazine published the same story, attributing it to "government officials." And on July 22, Newsday's Washington Bureau confirmed "that Valerie Plame ... works at the agency [CIA] on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity." More specifically, according to a "senior intelligence official," Newsday reported, she worked in the "Directorate of Operations [as an] undercover officer." In other words, Wilson is/was a spy involved in the clandestine collection of foreign intelligence, covert operations and espionage. She is/was part of a elite corps, the best and brightest, and among those willing to take great risk for their country. Now she has herself been placed at great - and needless - risk. Why is the Administration so avidly leaking this information? The answer is clear. Former ambassador Wilson is famous, lately, for telling the truth about the Bush Administration's bogus claim that Niger uranium had gone to Saddam Hussein. And the Bush Administration is punishing Wilson by targeting his wife. It is also sending a message to others who might dare to defy it, and reveal the truth. No doubt the CIA, and Mrs. Wilson, have many years, and much effort, invested in her career and skills. Her future, if not her safety, are now in jeopardy. After reading Novak's column, The Nation's Washington Editor, David Corn, asked, "Did senior Bush officials blow the cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security--and break the law--in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and intimidate others?" The answer is plainly yes. Now the question is, will they get away with it?" Read more HERE **** And beardedbruce, I don't think that ANY government official or anyone else should lie to the Grand Jury {or lie to anyone else} be they Democrat or Republican. I repeat, I'm waiting to see what will happen with the Grand Jury. It should be interesting. Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 28 Jul 05 - 08:59 PM No use arguin' with BB, MiziAzizi... He is hooked into the Bush propagand machine and will defend Bush and all his croonies fir any offensse that they have committed... All you are gettin' is what Rush Limbaugh or some other right winged Bushite apologist has told him to say... He is a "True Believer" at the highest level... See, the big twist now is now "Criminal offense" rather than just the act of outing of Valerie Plume... Bush has changed his story just the way he has changed his story about why the US invaded Iraq... Rove admits he did it bit then he says it was done casually, at the end of phone converstaion... Like what kind of defense is that??? But that's what we have... More lies form the Bushites... (Yawn) Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Jul 05 - 09:11 PM Bobert, "No use arguin' with BB, MiziAzizi... He is hooked into the Bush propagand machine and will defend Bush and all his croonies fir any offensse that they have committed..." I have said that if he commited a crime he should be tried- Bobart lie #1 "All you are gettin' is what Rush Limbaugh or some other right winged Bushite apologist has told him to say..." I have stated that I do not listen to Rush or any other political shit. Bobert lie #2 "He is a "True Believer" at the highest level..." I have stated a number of disagreements I have with the Bush administration policy,- Bobert lie #4. "See, the big twist now is now "Criminal offense" rather than just the act of outing of Valerie Plume... Bush has changed his story just the way he has changed his story about why the US invaded Iraq... Rove admits he did it bit then he says it was done casually, at the end of phone converstaion... Like what kind of defense is that???" Was a crime commited, or not? I don't have the secret information about guilt that you seem to. "More lies form the Bushites..." As I have stated, by your definition I am not a Bushite, and if you continue to call me one I will inflict upon you the threats that YOU have made against those you think have called you a racist. But I WILL call you a bigot, in matters pertaining to anyone you think of a a conservative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Jul 05 - 09:47 PM and for those counting... Bobert's 3rd lie, because of his attacking people rather than discussing the facts- "Me and Satan ain't been on good terms of late... " IMO, Bobert, you are on excellent terms. Try not to burn a cross on my lawn... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 28 Jul 05 - 09:47 PM Well, bb, maybe you'd like to review those disagreements you have with Bush... Seems every time I click on any thing you write it's in defense of Bush or one of his boys.... Yeah you can call me a liar all you want... That is your M.O., just as it it Karl R$ove and Bush's M.O. These folks don't cop to nuthin'... Thay always deflect thier misgivings onto someone else... And just what are you threatenin' to inflict on me, bb???? Maybe you'd lie to refresh my memory as who called me a racist ans what my response was... Oh, please don't take take it out of context but if yer back into callin' me a racist and a liar then I sho nuff would like you to provide an in depth history of my postings that support your observations... That's what fairness is all about... As fir the crime committed???? See Los Angeles v. O.J. Simpson... Hey, when ya get enough lawyers together and ya got a corrupted administration that lied to the American people about why it had, no, make that HAD, to invade Iraq, hey, ....... "If it don't fit, ya' gotta aquitt...." Ain't got one thing to do with right or wrong... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:06 PM INHO, this thread should not become "Beardedbruce vs Bobert" or "Bobert vs Beardedbruce". Rove is the individual who is-for now-center stage in this national 'gate'. And it seems to me that the actions that have occurred and may have occurred [and continue to occur??] are of the utmost importance to USA national security: using tainted information to promote a preemptive war; outing a covert agent whose husband wrote an editorial that spoke against the war; passing around a top secret memo; possible lying to the Grand Jury, and possible conspiracy to cover-up wrong doing. Even if we [Mudcatters] can't "all get along", could we please try hard to stay on-topic in this thread? And if you guys must carry on your personal dispute about who said what when about racism or whatever else that doesn't specifically refer to Rove and his buddies, perhaps it would be best if you do so by PMing each other. This is just a suggestion of course.... Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Azizi Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:13 PM I meant to say IMHO [In my humble opinion]. Sorry about that mistake. I haven't a clue what "INHO" means. Maybe it means- "I'm not humble, opinions?" [I was going to say that I wrote "INHO" on purpose to add a bit of comic relief to a thread that was becoming quite emotional tense..But I won't lie. I really didn't do it on purpose.] But then again.... Positive vibrations, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:13 PM Azizi, As I stated before being personnaly attacked by Bobert, IF he commited a crime, he should be tried and IF found guilty punished. That is what I have said all along. The question becomes, what are the FACTS of the case, NOT what each side wants to prove. I am waiting for factual points to support what seem to be accusations based on the FACT that some do not like Rove. Hardly enough for me to lynch someone on. Unlike Bobert, who never met a personal attack against a conservative he didn't like, regardless of the facts of the matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar??? From: Bobert Date: 28 Jul 05 - 10:37 PM Hey, I've never said that Karl Rove should be fired fir this particular situation but have made no bonez 'bout the fact that I think America would be a lot better off without this little Napoleonic pit bull weizel in such a position to keep Americans divided... He's a one trick pony and the only game he wants to play is dirty friggin' tricks and keepin' American's at each others throats... I resent this!!! And I resent thast my hard earned tax dollars go to payin' his salary... And I resent bb callin' me a liar 'er a racist... And I resent bb tryin' yet again to divert attention away from the real subject here: Karl Rove's outin' out Valerie Plume... Bobert |
