BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:55 AM

By the way, Amos, it would appear from your last post that 'Teribus' struck a nerve. It is refreshing to see that you are not a robot.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 10:40 AM

Hell, A, I usually try to stay civil even with those who don't see things my way. But, yes, the underhanded needles of some specialists occasionally gets a rise out of me. It just ain't the best way to conduct civilized discourse.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 01:49 PM

GUEST,TIA - 04 Nov 05 - 07:45 AM

The real Teribus would NEVER use the slang word "kinda".

That's why I put it in.

T

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:59 PM

In yer dreams, Teribus Wantabee...

You don't even know who Teribus is, much less about his sharp intellect... Wrong positions on the issues but sharp......

Might of fact you are such a bad imposter, think I'll just call you "Terrible"... There, that's yer new handle...

Get a friggin' brain that matchs the real deal and we'll reconsider yer application... Until then, you are "terrible"...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:08 PM

Such a way with words!

However, "T",real or imagined, makes more sense than some others I could mention, recent poster included.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:51 PM

Like I said, you know nuthin' of the real Teribus... 04 Nov 05-8:08 post enetered as "Exbibit A"...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: number 6
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:51 PM

Karl Rove is a Big Fat Liar.

And there is nothin' we can do about it.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 10:05 PM

Oh, horrors, sIx...

Say it ain't so...

Yeah, the boy sho nuff a porker and sho nuff don't have much use fir the truth...

But what would Bush do without him???

(Ahhh, thin Argentina here, Bobert...)

What's that mean???

(Just think about it...)

Hey?!?!?!?!?!?....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: number 6
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 10:17 PM

I have my fears Bobert, I have my fears,

'Ol Bush will go to whatever extremes ..
.. to protect that fat one.

Those flames in the streets of Mar Del Plata are not as hot as
as the inspiration demonstrated by the crowds listening to Hugo Chavez.

But as I said, 'Ol Bush will go to whatever extremes'

(just think about it)

I have my fears, and there is nothing that can be done about it

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Karl Rove
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 11:18 PM

Kick a man when he's down, whydontcha.

I am not fat.

Love and Peece,

K Rove

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,ghost of stan Lauel
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 12:12 AM

You are fat. You are fatter than Ollie. You just hide it well.

luv and peace, and remember folks to keep the on laughing.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 07:47 AM

Bobert, Bobert, Bobert! I don't care if that was Teribus or the Pillsbury Doughboy! I was agreeing the words of the poster, no matter who he may be. Now, is that too dificult for you?

Is there any wonder I decided to ignore any further commmentary of Katrina.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 08:14 AM

meanwhile....

Bush Orders Staff to Attend Ethics Briefings
White House Counsel to Give 'Refresher' Course; By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Saturday, November 5, 2005

President Bush has ordered White House staff to attend mandatory briefings beginning next week on ethical behavior and the handling of classified material after the indictment last week of a senior administration official in the CIA leak probe. According to a memo sent to aides yesterday, Bush expects all White House staff to adhere to the "spirit as well as the letter" of all ethics laws and rules. As a result, "the White House counsel's office will conduct a series of presentations next week that will provide refresher lectures on general ethics rules, including the rules of governing the protection of classified information," according to the memo, a copy of which was provided to The Washington Post by a senior White House aide.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 10:17 AM

Bush promoting ethics is like a fish promoting NASCAR.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 02:37 PM

Obfuscators in the White House? Gee, what a surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 02:37 PM

Seems to be lots of that going around lately.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 05:36 PM

No, GUEST A, the reason you are ignorin' the questions I posed to you about the failin's of the Bush administration is because you don't have any reasonable rebuttal and I think that you realize that I ain't the lightweight you were hopin' I was...

As fir the Teribus thing... Obviously you weren't around here when the real Teribus roamed Mudville... Well, there is not one progressive, not one anti-war poster here who if they were here during those days doesn't have quite a bit of respect fir Teribus... If he were a basketball palyer that owner of the team would probably retire his jersey...

Now fir someone to come in and use Teribus's handle is somewhat disrespectfull to the hard, hard work that Teribus did in defending the Bush admibnistrations run up to war... Seems all this imposter has in common with the real one is being against the anti-war folks here in Mudville... Problem is that The Imposter has nuthin' but insults and anme callin' in his arsenal... Kinda like you...

When the going gets tough both of you tend to fall back to the same worn out attack, attacak, attack defense... Yeah, you may see that on occasion I do a little confrontin' my ownself but, hey, if you were to research the body of my contributions here, you'd find that I just happen to bring a lot of substance, both here and above the line...

But you, firgive me, GUEST A and Teribus, seem to be one trick ponies...

I don't say this to be hurtfull but it would be nice if you two couyld bring in a little substance to the discussions...

Peace

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 12:34 AM

Someone has suggested that since Cheney is so big on torture, maybe they should apply a little torture to Libby and Rove. We would probably be amazed at what they would reveal.

Hey, Donuel, thats a cartoon!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 08:06 AM

Busted: Joe Wilson Lied! -Senate Intelligence Committee

The mainstream media is paying little attention to a bombshell in the just-released Senate Intelligence Report on pre-Iraq-war intelligence. The Senate Intelligence Committee basically found that Joe Wilson lied in the course of his histrionics about his trip to Niger, Africa - searching for yellowcake uranium sales to Iraq.

A complete copy of the Senate Intelligence Report, titled "Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq" issued on July 7, 2004, is provided here.


Busted: Joe Wilson Lied! -Senate Intelligence Committee

As reported in the July 10, 2004, Washington Post:

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Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.

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The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.

Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."

"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

Wilson's reports to the CIA added to the evidence that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium in Niger, although officials at the State Department remained highly skeptical, the report said.

Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."

According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.

Still, it was the CIA that bore the brunt of the criticism of the Niger intelligence. The panel found that the CIA has not fully investigated possible efforts by Iraq to buy uranium in Niger to this day, citing reports from a foreign service and the U.S. Navy about uranium from Niger destined for Iraq and stored in a warehouse in Benin.

The agency did not examine forged documents that have been widely cited as a reason to dismiss the purported effort by Iraq until months after it obtained them. The panel said it still has "not published an assessment to clarify or correct its position on whether or not Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Africa."

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So - Wilson benefitted from a little nepotism. His wife got him an all-expenses-paid little excursion to Niger. And, to make it better, he got a chance to throw mud at the Bush Administration - which was clearly not liked by Mr. Wilson and Ms. Plame from the get-go. As the article makes clear, Ms. Plame had pre-judged the uranium sales story before she even sent her hubby - she pre-judged it as "this crazy report."

In this context, if a "Senior Administration Official" let it be known that Wilson jetted off to Africa to sip sweet tea because his wife got him the gig ... they were right to do so. The fact that Wilson's wife got him the gig - and the fact that Wilson's wife pre-judged the whole purpose of the trip as a "crazy report" - make it crystal clear that Wilson's trip had little value (to put it mildly).

Indeed, as the Senate Intelligence Committee's report made clear, Wilson's trip was so lame that it had the unintended consequence (I'm sure much to Wilson's and Plame's horror) of bolstering the Adminsitration's argument that Iraq had sought uranium in Africa.

http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/013490.html

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 08:33 AM

As was stated elsewhere, Wilson has yet to be "outed".
Mr. Wilson, can you say "Big House"?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:10 AM

"He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA,"

Posted: November 5, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


Valerie Plame appeared in Vanity Fair magazine with her husband Joseph Wilson in January 2004
A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed his wife Valerie Plame's employment with the agency in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was "outed" by the White House through a columnist.

Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five, conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.

Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run-up to the spring 2003 invasion.

Vallely says, according to his recollection, Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002 – more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."

"He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA," said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army's deputy commanding general in the Pacific.

Vallely made his claim in an interview Thursday night on the ABC radio network's John Batchelor show.

Vallely told WND that, in his opinion, it became clear over the course of several conversations that Wilson had his own agenda, as the ambassador's analysis of the war and its surrounding politics strayed from reality.

"He was a total self promoter," Vallely said. "I don't know if it was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he's created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath."

The only indictment in Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's two-year investigation came one week ago when Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of making false statements and two counts of perjury in the case. He could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines if convicted on all five counts.

Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.

"That was pretty common knowledge," he said. "She's been out there on the Washington scene many years."

If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, "he would not have paraded her around as he did."

"This whole thing has become the biggest non-story I know," he concluded, "and all created by Joe Wilson."

Fitzgerald has been investigating whether Plame's identity was leaked by the White House as retaliation against Wilson for his assertion that the Bush administration made false claims about Iraq's attempt to buy nuclear material in Africa.

Wilson traveled to Niger in February 2002 on a CIA-sponsored trip to check out the allegations about Iraq and wrote up his findings in a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece titled "What I Didn't Find in Africa."

White House defenders insist the aides simply were setting the record straight about Wilson, seeking to put his credibility in context by pointing out it was Plame who helped him get the CIA consulting job. Wilson denied his wife's role initially, but a bipartisan report by the Senate panel documented it.

Wilson declared in the column that his trip revealed the Iraq-Niger connection was dubious, but his oral report to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence actually corroborated the controversial "16 words" in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Libby's charges pertained only to the investigation itself, not the 1982 act that made it illegal to blow a covert U.S. agent's cover.

The Washington attorney who spearheaded the drafting of that law told WND earlier this year that Plame's circumstances don't meet the statute's criteria.

Victoria Toensing – who worked on the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – said Plame most likely was not a covert agent when White House aides mentioned her to reporters.

The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.

Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turncoat spy Aldrich Ames.

Wilson's own book, "The Politics of Truth," states he and Plame both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997 and never again were stationed overseas – placing them in Washington at least six years before the 2003 "outing."

Moreover, asserted Toensing, for the law to be violated, White House aides would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that they were disclosing a covert agent.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47242

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:31 AM

THE PLAME GAME Analyst says Wilson 'outed' wife in 2002

November 5, 2005

Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.

    "That was pretty common knowledge," he said Friday. "She's been out there on the Washington scene many years."

    If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, "he would not have paraded her around as he did."

In fact it looks like Wilson even admitted she wasn't a covert agent years ago:

    Victoria Toensing – who worked on the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – said Plame most likely was not a covert agent when White House aides mentioned her to reporters.

    The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.

    Kristof said the CIA brought Plame back to Washington in 1994 because the agency suspected her undercover security had been compromised by turncoat spy Aldrich Ames.

    Wilson's own book, "The Politics of Truth," states he and Plame both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997 and never again were stationed overseas – placing them in Washington at least six years before the 2003 "outing."

    Moreover, asserted Toensing, for the law to be violated, White House aides would have had to intentionally reveal Plame's identity with the knowledge that they were disclosing a covert agent.

Looks like Joe Wilson is the guy who needs to be investigated.

UPDATE :

Turns out Lt. General Tom McInerney, USAF, who also a FOX News analyst, will join Paul Vallely in claiming Joe Wilson consistently mentioned the fact his wife worked at the CIA. Note that the primary legal concern was the supposed leaking of the fact Valeries worked at the CIA. Her role in getting Joe to Niger twice has not been the focus of investigations - yet.

UPDATE:

The list of people who knew about Plame working for the CIA is getting quite large! From the Kerry Campaign to most of NBC News to Victor Davis Hanson….

Amazing.

END UPDATE

Gen Paul Vallely has come forward and claimed Joe Wilson was talking about his CIA wife in the Fox News Green Room - a charge Wilson is denying with threat of legal action.

    "This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002 and only saw him maybe twice in the green room at FOX.

Well, when was Wilson possibly in the Green Room with Vallely? In reverse chronological order:

January 10th, 2003 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on John Gibson's show this day. Which is why Gibson has similar recollections to General Vallely. Vallely was on Cavuto which airs right before Gibson's show.

November 18, 2002 (Vallely, Wilson). Vallely was scheduled for 1:10, Wilson was to be on after 3:00 PM.

October 1, 2003 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on Fox and Friends in the morning, Vallely on Cavuto. Depending on when Vallely came in to tape his section they could have met up.

September 12, 2002 - they were on the same show at 3:00 PM.

August 20, 2002 (Vallely, Wilson). Wilson was on Greta and Vallely on Cavuto. Depending on when/if things were taped the could have run into each other.

Well, four good opportunities to run into Wilson in the Green Room. BTW, all the guests listed in the same days as these make for potential witnesses. Not to mention all the times Wilson was at Fox and other networks.

MAJOR UPDATE:

I cannot believe how many people are ready to say Joe Wilson himself outed his wife. Now, through a 3rd party recollection, Victor Davis Hanson also recalled Joe Wilson talking about his CIA wife in a Green Room. What a putz he and Fitzgerald both are.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:37 AM

Let me see... No "crime" is committed, but the grand jury is lied to. If this is a Democrat, he gets off: If this is a Republican, he has to be crucified...


Sounds like the American Justice system to me...









Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 09:38 AM

(please note dripping sarcasm...)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 11:01 AM

Fact: Libby is accused of lying to a grand jury.

Fact: Purjury is a crime.

Question: Is he innocent or guilty?

Question: Should a jury decide?

Statement: Examination of the facts will lead to the truth.

Crowbar

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 08:46 AM

Breaking News! Karl Rove's Garage
Posted by Greg Sheffield on October 17, 2005 - 14:27.

Associated Press writer Darlene Superville wrote a serious expose on Karl Rove's garage. The headline: "Karl Rove's Garage Proves to Be Typical"

Superville wondered if Rove can "organize his own garage? Can the master of Bush's political planning figure out where to put the ladders, paint cans and cardboard boxes?"

Below are the earth shattering revelations uncovered by Superville:

    There was no car in the garage. And the stuff left behind turned out not to be much different from what gathers dust inside most American garages.

    The inventory, seen from outside:

    *Some cardboard file boxes stacked one on top of the other, labeled "Box 6," "Box 4" and what appears to be "Box 7." No sign of boxes 1, 2, 3 and 5.

    *What appear to be paint cans stacked alongside a folded, folding chair.

    *A rather large wood crate marked "FRAGILE" and painted with arrows indicating which way is up. On top of the crate, two coolers.

    *A tall aluminum ladder.

    *A snow shovel leaned in front of another cardboard box.

    *Wicker baskets inside of wicker baskets on top of a shelf running the length of the rear wall. Transparent plastic storage bins crammed with indiscernible stuff. Another cardboard box.

    *In one corner, the rear wheel of a bicycle sticks out, along with what appears to be a helmet.

    *Another ladder, this one green, leaning sideways.

http://newsbusters.org/trackback/2316

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 08:23 PM

Hope you all are havin' fun cause the fun will end when this case goes to court and you find that alot of the cut-n-paste crap is just that: crap, just like all the now debunked reasons that Bush and Co. have given us in gettin' the US bogged down in Iraq-mire...

Sorry, you all seemed to be havin' a good ol time...

Just remember what Jesus told Matthew, "Thetre's nuthin' hidden that one day won't be found and no secrets kept that won't one day be public knowledge..."

Sorry, now back to the Bushite circle-the-wagons-jerk...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:06 PM

Bobert:

Why don't you try something positive and upbeat for a change like

"I am a totaly negative, anal rententive retarded asshole but I will work on it"?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 05 - 11:21 PM

Glad to see yer goina work on it, GUEST... You need lots of work... I'd suggest Dr. Phil....

As fir me, I'm "Mister Positive n' Upbeat".... Don't believe me??? Check out "Page News and Courier" (Luray, Va.), Vol 138, No. 35" which came out on October 1st 'er 2nd of this year... Piccure of me on the front page talkin' about the old hotel I bought in town and am going to restore.... Nice article... Worth the few minutes to google it up...

But (WARNIN'), if you think I'm a negative person, better strap on yer seat belts before reading the article...

Just negatibe about stupid policies an', unfortuneatly, Bush has 'um runnin' over....

That don't make me nagative... I wakwe up every day thinkin' how I can improve my life and that of my neighbors....

Tell ya what, GUEST.... Get a real name an' I'll give you the names of a couple farmers in this holler where I live that will be glad to tell ya personally what kinda person I am... and it negative....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 10:37 PM

Bobert:

I can't find the Luray thing. Maybe you have a good side. I see some humorous posts here and there.

I would like to say it is my opinion that all this moaning and groaning about the war and blaming it on Bush is self destructive, non constructive and counter productive.

Things are not going to change for the better unless poeple want them to and work toward it.

It sounds like people want America to loose. Otherwise why would they keep saying we are loosing. Makes me think they are imbeded Al quaeda poisoning public opinion. Believing you can win is 75% of winning. Believing you will loose is 90% of loosing.

The same thing goes for that hotel you bought. A big difficult task but doable. I did a big old 1875 house like that. Rehabbed it, kept the "Country Victorian" atmosphere, Rented rooms and made a sucess out of the disaster that the previous owner made out of it.

Positive attitudes accomplish things. Negative attitudes don't.

I don't think it is necessary to throw pro-Bush rallys. Bush ain't my hero. I don't like everything he does, immigration is one, but by God we have to win this one. Otherwise the attacks will come home when we leave Iraq. And not because of the war because we were under attack before the war. We have taken the battle to the enemy.

France is a warning about what will happen here.

So go ahead and spew on Bush. Then tell me if it makes you feel any better.

And yes, progress is being made in Iraq whether you believe it or not. All you have to do is look for it because it does not get through the news media.

All they want is blood and guts, people dying, things exploding, fires burning, anything horrible. How often do you see something good in the news about anything? Even when you can find something it's something like "pistol packing Granny confronts and shoots intruder"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 10:54 PM

No, GUEST, don't make me feel one bit better to get on Bush about his policies but it is his policies I have problems with... Lotta folks think that I hate Bush... No, I can't say I'm capable of hatin' anyone... Maybe I am but I ain't met anyone yet that I can say I hate... Yeah, I hate some of their actions... That's were Bush come into play... Actually, I don't think Bush has a clue since he is overly dependent on other folks to make policy.... I feel sorry fir him...

But, hey, I come here a couple times a day and vent against what I see as dumb policy... If I went about my business like Bush I would fail... In my real life I understand that I need the entire community behind me and that's why I choose to do my rantin' here.... Over the last 20 years I have organized more communtiy stuff with Repubs than Dems 'er Greens so I know how to live with Repubs... Hey, yeah, they know I'm a Green but guess waht??? If it comes down to gettin' somethjin' done in the communtiy, I'z the guy they want in charge...

Sorry you couldn't find the article... It was good 'un an' the piccure weren't too hatefull considerin' that I had just finished playing two long sets at the Luray Farmer's Market...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: pdq
Date: 12 Nov 05 - 10:57 PM

Great post, guest.

Please take a name and stick around for a while. Mudcat needs more people with common sense.

BTW, I did a compete restoration of an 1888 Victorian, although it was quite small as such buildings go. I helped dig the foundation footing, helped dig a basement, stripped the roof (12 layers in one place!), etc. Every piece of molding had to be re-created with special blades, cut to match pieces of the original molding.

So congratulations on your accomplishment. However, one is enough. Maybe a "frame-off restoration" of a can. Hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 01:04 AM

I ain't defending Bush but he did not create the intelligence mess we have. He inherited it.

He did not want a department of Homeland Security but the Dems wanted it so he gave in. Then the dems wanted FEMA to be in DHS. Bush did not want the but he gave in to the Dems again.

Now every shortcoming is his fault like he created it. Damned if he does and damned if he don't.

The only thing I see he did wrong with FEMA is appoint a totally imcompetent asshole to run it.

If you watch a certain National Geographic Channel documentary on Katrina, they reveal that Nagin, Blanco and Bush met on his plane in N.O. on Friday of the great disaster week. Bush asked the Gov if she wanted the Feds to take over the National Guard. She said no or not yet or something to the effect that the fed could not take it over.

"Normally, the Guard is under the control of the state governor, but the Feds can take over�if the governor asks them to. Nagin suggested that Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the Pentagon's on-scene commander, be put in charge. According to Senator Vitter, Bush turned to Governor Blanco and said, "Well, what do you think of that, Governor?" Blanco told Bush, "I'd rather talk to you about that privately." To which Nagin responded, "Well, why don't you do that now?"
The meeting broke up. Bush and Blanco disappeared to talk. More than a week later, there was still no agreement. Blanco didn't want to give up her authority, and Bush didn't press."

Now where is Bush's screw up in that affair? Maybe he should have knocked her in the head or arrested her for stupidity and taken over right then.

Also I know from people that live on NO that the entire local government down there is corrupt. You have to make payoffs to open and operate any kind of business there. I heard a tale of one couple that wanted to open a Curves there and refused to make the payoffs. They lost their ass cause they never were able to open.

Now I hear that the levees that broke did not go as deep as specified. It is suspected that the contractor was allowed make payoffs and shortcut the specs.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

Tell ya what, Old Guy, I'll be satrtin' anew Katrina threa in a couple days and I think you will be surprised about a lot of stuff that ain;t been reported...

It's too much fir this evenin' and I'll be outta town fir the next cvouple day so look fir it maybe Wedneday night...

On another thread I challnged GUEST A with a little of it and GUEST A went GUEST A-WOL... Couldn't come up with no answers but you can bet this one is gonna lead right to Bush's feet...

Bear wid me, Old Guy... And no cut'n run rebuttals.... So be prepared to do yer own homework... I have...

Okay???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 05 - 09:56 AM

Bobert - 13 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

"Tell ya what, Old Guy, I'll be satrtin' anew Katrina threa in a couple days .... So be prepared to do yer own homework... I have..."

Well that would be a welcome departure from Bobert's Standard Operating Procedure - I wouldn't hold your breath OG, after the summation of all Boberts research, West-Ginny Slide Rule calcs and what he's heard as bein' the Word on the Street, has been blasted to bits by the more rational and reasoning minds on this forum, he will revert to type and commence on personal attack and incomprehensible ranting.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 07:30 AM

I will be refreshing to see what the Ol Wes Ginny slide rule says about the corruption in NO. The Government there is a total clusterfuck and the hurricane literally blew them away.

I will cut and paste pertinant text from other sites as I see fit and I invite others to do the same. If he URL is there one can go to the site and determine if it is an evil corporate site or a truthful Moveon.org or George Soros supported site. Scott ritter is one of Boberts truth tellers so Al jazzera is not off limits in the quest for the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:18 PM

Ahhhh, fir the record, I have never been to move.on or any other leftie site... I get my stuff from the W=Post, the NY-Times and the TV... Yeah, I'll Google now and then but what you get from me is what I have gleaned from those source... Just gotta stay purdy much off the front pages... There's were the goodies are hidden...

And, not to worry, T, I done up a bunch of homework on Katrina and I think it's gonn have you scratchin' yer head an' shuffelin' fir a rebuttal... Lookin' forward to it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:47 PM

Bobert just can't get it.

Bobert, you don't want the truth, you can't understand the truth!

I did not go AWOL - I simply realized what my Grandmother once told me - Never argue with an idiot, someone may walk by and not be able to tell the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:21 PM

Yeah, my graanie tolt me the same thing... That's why I been ignorin' yer ignorant idiot self lately but guess what??? When I ask these folks the same questions I asked you they will clearly see that I have put together one danged difficult siutation for the Bush administartion to fihgt its way out of...

That's why you went AWOL... Ain't got one danged thing in the friggin' world about me other than I yer butt chackmated and so now I get this crap that you don't wnata debatean idiot???? Haha...

We'll see who is the "idiot"...

You better start doing yer research... I have done mine and have over 100 pages of stuff I've printed up on Katrina... And guess what??? Not one is froma leftie blog... Not one... All is purdy much public information and can be found thru Google...

The probkle with you, GUEST A, isi that either you are falt lazy 'er you can't find some right winged blog that has been financed by some right winged rich guy to defend your posotions...

Like I said, I have the done the hard work and I'm gonna loay it out either tomorrow night or Thusday night and then it wil "Time top Rumble"... Maybe you oughtta spend some time trying to find some right winged blog to defend you 'cause when I bring my stuff, yer gonna need help 'er yer going under...

No brag, just fact...

You know the basics so better spend a little less time grandsatnding and little more time doing what I have done: hit the books, pal...

Like I said, no brag, just fact...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 06:58 AM

No change from here.

By the way, the NY Times and the Washington Post are not middle of the road - your previous post with regard to your sources explained a lot about you. TV? you have denigrate it a lot and yet you stil regard it as one of your three sources for information.

Even more enlightenment.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:40 AM

I ain't talkin' their editorial pages, you knothead. I'm talking their news departments. And I think you'll find that if you throw in the LA Times, which you also probably think is liberal what you have is the 3 newspapers that have a great deal of influence over the the other newspapers accross the country in setting the bar as to how and what national and international news gets reported....

So not to fear, A, this story is all highly verifiable... Maybe you should be going back to my actual case and start doing a little homework of yer own...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,A
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:11 AM

I am not questioning if the "story is verifiable", particulary since I have not seen it yet so don't get so defensive.
I might, however, be skeptical with regard to it being factual.

The three papers you mention do have a great deal of influence when it comes to "liberal" thinking people. Personally, I read both sides and try to draw a somewhat fair conclusion. You might attempt to do the same thing sometime.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Desdemona
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 11:48 AM

I dunno if this was mentioned anywhere above, but my favourite nickname for Mr Rove is "Tubby McTreason"!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:07 PM

Desdemona, is this a recent news flash? I had not heard of the treason charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 02:06 PM

"Has anyone bothered to isolate the facts around this slander? Or are we just beating drums and dancing around the campfire here?"


a quote, from Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 03:13 PM

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 03:26 PM

oh, if only lies left semen stains.

the Bush Administrations lies are coming around to bite them in the ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:20 PM

Hmmmmmm???

A 5th time to testify to the Grand Jury???

The noose is tightenin'....

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: number 6
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 11:22 PM

Yes he is a great big fat liar ... and there is nothing you can do about it. :)

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Karl Rove a Big Fat Liar???
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 05:53 AM

don't know 300