BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....

Subject: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:24 PM

Who else? Isn't it obvious?

William Shakespeare = William Shatner!

Shakespeare wrote the greatest stage dramas in history. Shatner re-enacted them on stage and onscreen and in audio recordings for the edification of all humanity. Shatner IS Shakespeare, here among us in modern times, going boldly where none else could even dream of going!

The Bard walks among us!

I don't know about you, but it just gave me shivers when the realization hit me earlier today. I intend to write a bestselling book about it. I can see the royalties and film rights pouring in already. This will be the crowning accomplishment of my life!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:33 PM

Hmmmmm. Go ahead. Make your pile.

Just keep the Shatner away- or he'll disillusion everyone. Except you. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:35 PM

Pssssssssst--pass it over here . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:38 PM

Could one of the clones please relabel this thread as a Shatner thread ? So others don't wander into it by mistake like I did ? If we can add Shambles name to a thread to "warn" folks I would think my request would be possible also. Thanks.

50 plus Shatner threads aren't enough - we need more ? Oh the shame of it all !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:44 PM

You misunderstand, Wesley. That is the whole point. The Shatman has such a profound effect on most people that it has become an unwritten rule around here not to name him in thread titles at all. This is NOT an official Shatner thread. It's a Shakespeare thread. Got that? Good. Don't screw things up.

Believe me, the "warning" you suggest would most likely have exactly the opposite effect to what you desire...and not because of me, either. More than that I will not say. I've said too much already.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:51 PM

You currish dread-bolted fustiliarian. Cease this foolish prattle.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:52 PM

You gore-bellied, yeasty, chuckle-headed, guttersnipe. Avaunt!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 08:55 PM

You maggot-infested seat-sniffing hotel for fleas: What the f##k does Avaunt mean? Is it a good thing?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:02 PM

It's an Olde English medieval expression, which loosely translates to: "f*ck off!" or "get lost!"

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:03 PM

Little Hawk!

Come over here and look at this - no, don't take any notice of the axe in my hand...

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:05 PM

I thought it meant "Avast!"

Or is it more closely related to 'vaunted'?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:08 PM

OK, thanks.

Hey, LH, avaunt you. too!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:10 PM

I don't think so, Ebbie, but we should probably ask William Shatner for the final authoritative opinion about this.

The term "avaunt!" is usually found in combination with "wretch", but not always...as in..."Avaunt, wretch!" cried Hamlet to Polonius. "You try my patience. You vex me most grievously, and I fain would rest for the nonce. Mine ears have heard enough of thy vain pratlings. Depart, lest I run thee through with this bare bodkin!"

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:24 PM

er .... cutting through all this wonderful banter, and getting down to the nitty-gritty, don't you think that Bill Shatner should change his name by deed-poll to "Edward De Verener" or something similar?

(exuant)

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:27 PM

You cannot improve on what is already perfect. I do agree, though, that Edward De Verener is pretty classy sounding. It would be good for a singer who looks like the young Neil Diamond and causes legions of housewives to swoon in front of their stereo speakers.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:34 PM

Swoon now. FER GOD'S SAKE SPEAK ENGLISH? What the avaunt is SWOON?

"Wat down upon the Swoony River"?
"Swoon Lake"?

Can't keep up with ya . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: jacqui.c
Date: 10 May 06 - 09:55 PM

Swoon is what all those little starlets did when Billy Boy came onto them in his role as Kirk. I think they were just trying to avoid eye contact so's not to giggle when he tried to act all seductive.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: bobad
Date: 10 May 06 - 10:23 PM

Is avaunt related to avail?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 10:39 PM

Second cousins by marriage.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 06 - 10:49 PM

Swoon -- to keel over in a faint.

Avaunt means "hence", or "away (from here)". It is derived from the same roots as the French avant, meaning before, or on ahead of.

It is is used as a command in several Shakespearean scenes, similar in sentiment to "Get thee hence!" , often said to witches. In spirit it is not unlike the expression "Get thee behind me, Satan!", except in the other direction.

Avaunt is not related to avail, which implies function rather than distance.

A bodkin is a type of pointed arrowhead, an advance on the broad arrow, and is also a tool for punching holes in leather, a Renaissance hair-pin, and a slender-bladed dagger. To bare one's bodkin is, presumably, to unsheathe a dangerous blade.

Have at thee, varlet.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 06 - 10:56 PM

Jaysus, another one. Varlets now? AND bodkins.

Swoon ye bodkins before these avaunting varlets.

HEY, I'm gettin' the hang of this stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 06 - 01:56 AM

Good gracious. As anyone knows, a bodkin is what gets covered with a lady's bodice. I don't want to linger on its bareness. Old Shakespeare sometimes gets bawdy. (Bawdy = a refined term for 'body'.)

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Sooz
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:49 AM

Odds bodkins!

(God's body)

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 06 - 04:12 AM

Little hawk - you're a genius. I never spotted that

The faults are in ourselves Horatius, not in our stardates.....

Call to me my sad Captain's Log...

Full fathom five, thy father lies
Warp factor Ten, his name was Ben

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: autolycus
Date: 11 May 06 - 06:12 AM

You don't know what 'swoon' means? (Nearly soons)

   Colloquially, it means to be overwhelmed with feeling at the music, beauty, or codpiece of desirable men like Engelbert Sinatra.

   "Men at some time are masters of their fates;

   "The fault, dear Brutus,is not in our stars,

   "Butin ourselves." (Julius Caesar, Act 1.)

   As an astrologer, I agree, forsooth, wherewithall I shall further desist, innit.(?)


   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Grab
Date: 11 May 06 - 06:46 AM

And of course, hanging around with Vulcans and Ferengi is clearly the inspiration for "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears"...

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:04 AM

LH,

"This will be the crowning accomplishment of my life!!! "

I am SO sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:16 AM

A bare bodkin is a little bare body...

and barely makes for a pun ...

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:30 AM

to beam me aboard, or not to beam me aboard, that is the question

Time and Ahoura run through the roughest day

of his 'Bones' are coral made

maid in all thy orisons, keep thy phasers on stun

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:27 AM

I read that as "maid in all thy onions".

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:48 AM

Peace, I read yours as "mad in all thy onions."

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 06 - 11:21 AM

bod·kin (bdkn)
n.
1. A small, sharply pointed instrument for making holes in fabric or leather.
2. A blunt needle for pulling tape or ribbon through a series of loops or a hem.
3. A long hairpin, usually with an ornamental head.
4. Printing An awl or pick for extracting letters from set type.
5. A dagger or stiletto.

I know of no reference that bodkin means "body" in any context.

If anyone else knows any references for such use in fact I'd be interested. I thinkk it is a misunderstanding of a term largely obsolete.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 06 - 12:05 PM

The notion that an overweight pretentious and less-than skilled actress would be the reincarnation of a man whose powers STILL resonate through the world after 300 years is preposterous, unless it is offered as a case study for students of karmic degeneration.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Desdemona
Date: 11 May 06 - 12:30 PM

LH--It's at least as good a theory as those wankers who keep trying to turn my beloved Will into the Earl of Oxford...or Francis Bacon...or (the dead in 1593) Christopher Marlowe!

'Stratfordianly',

~D

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:19 PM

Your mental powers must be seriously on the wane for you to label William Shatner as an "actress", Amos. LOL! Get treatment before it's too late!

Bearded Bruce - Thanks for the sympathy. ;-D

I really think it's cool how this thread has veered into a discussion of medieval expressions and idioms...

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:24 PM

don't mention the Scotty play......

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:24 PM

LH,

You are welcome...

We had SUCH high hopes for you, when you grow up!



(aside) W. S(hatner) HAS promised NOT to post sonnets here on Mudcat, REMEMBER?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:51 PM

When I "grow up"...

You mean next year? Or in a decade? Or...?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:05 PM

Au contraire, mon vieux Hack -- I am offering highly discriminating insight into the root nature of your friend's career problems. Inside every second-rate actor, there's a second-rate actress kvetching.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:35 PM

So we have gone from early modern English to Yiddish in ten posts. Oy.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:38 PM

then there was the Dark Lady of the Sonnets....no wonder Bill got obsessed with her spending all that time on the bridge, with her checking his co-ordinates.

really shakespeare's entire career was just a verbose preparation for the first series if StarTrek. Bill Shakespeare - that man could bore the arse of a rhinceros. And the plots in Star Trek are more realistic

Whereas William Shatner, his All Bran adverts have brought relief to a nation

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:45 PM

"Career problems"??? You're rambling, Amos. Shatner has gone on from triumph to triumph, has succeeded in everything he turned his hand to. What, I ask you, what career problems?

Your aspersions on Shatner's masculinity are ludicrous! The man simply radiates testosterone from every pore. And as weelittledrummer has so wisely noted, he has brought relief to a nation. ;-P

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Bill D
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:47 PM

Everyone KNOWS there's no such thing as 'reincarnation'! Why, only a superstitious, weak-minded....
...hold on, there someone at my door...be back in a min

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Kaleea
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:58 PM

How can it be? Madamme Lollapahloosah (sees all, blabs all!) looked into her crystal ball & clearly said that Shakespeare reincarnated as some feller called Bobby Dylan who used to do advertisements for Brillo Pads.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 06 - 04:16 PM

See, my information has it that 'bodkin' is short for 'body' as 'boykin' is the diminutive for a lad. See?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:09 PM

This isn't the first time the Dylan/Shatner/Shakespeare connection has come up, Kaleea. Perhaps the same great parent soul has simultaneously incarnated as both Dylan AND Shatner. This could explain why they were unable to agree on who would get first billing on the planned collaboration album from the historic Dylan/Shatner secret sessions in '66! It was a clash of exactly equal egos, and neither would give way. It's a great pity, because THAT album would have made musical history and would have turned our entire western culture on its head. The reverberations would still be echoing in popular culture today, had it ever been released. People have died trying to get hold of the master tapes. They're locked away somewhere in the vaults of Columbia Records....or they may have been destroyed. No one knows for sure...except maybe Bob, and he ain't tellin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:16 PM

Madame, the etymology you recite is simply mistaken!

As is Little Hawks sunny-side-up, easy-side-over attitude toward the sad and mediocre career of what's his name, who used to act in science-fiction serials on television.

Sigh.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: autolycus
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:35 PM

Isn't it a might unfair on Shakespeare ("Yes!) to rework his words into Shatnerspeak and then claim that Shatner IS Shakespeare's reincarnation.


So the formula is:-

Rework Shake's words into _________speak, then say that obviously _________ is Shakespeare's reincarnation.


So the game is to redo some of the Bard's quotes into the language of someone unlikely, say, Chirac, Beckham, Emo philips,..........


Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:39 PM

Well, he strikes me as a more likely candidate than Lenny Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:50 PM

or Tom Cruise..

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 06:28 PM

Heh! Much more likely than him.

Shatner is dramatic. He acting style is "large". He waxes rhetorical and theatrical at the drop of a hat. He IS Will Shakespeare!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 May 06 - 06:34 PM

Oh come on........

Both called William Sha-----

both thespians

er....that's it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 06 - 06:38 PM

"both thespians"

THAT is something they don't teach ya in school . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:14 PM

Amos - don't you mean 'who used to APPEAR' in science-fiction serials'. I wouldn't have called it acting!

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:32 PM

Some merely act...some live the part they play.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:38 PM

Right. Professionals leave their roles behind them; wannabes insist on wearing their costumes to Denny's so everyone will know they are "actors" in a REAL production....

Sigh.

LH, give over. You are become Mugwump in the eyes of the Mudcat.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:46 PM

A keepsake we shall ALL remember . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 07:46 PM

Could you translate that term into normal English, Amos?

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 06 - 08:12 PM

A feathered critter with his mug on one side and his rump on the other side of the fence.

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 May 06 - 11:24 PM

"Bodkin" was also slang for a small part of a man's body...

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 06 - 11:55 PM

Oh, a fence-sitter, eh?

Where have I heard that before? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 12 May 06 - 12:26 AM

Robin:

I can imagine it, but can you find such a reference?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:41 AM

Heard it ages ago, no hope of finding a refernce currently - will probably stumble on it while looking for something else - as usual. Then I can post it here, if I can remember where it is that I have to post the fact that I finally found it....

"Life gets tedius, don' it?"

Wait on, it was in a discussion about 'puns (including sexual references) in Shalespeare' (hence the ''bodkin'...) ... I think, now was it in text, on the net, on radio, on a TV prog?... (sigh - the hassles of a 'relationist memory')

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 12 May 06 - 11:52 AM

I think I want to try some of what LH drinks. Anyone know? If it's what he smokes, I'm out of luck.             Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 06 - 01:30 PM

Yeah, you would be out of luck, cos I don't smoke anthing at all.

Here's what I drink, though: water, fresh-squeezed orange juice, carrot juice, some other fruit juices on occasion, very occasional green tea.

Knock yourself out! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Amos
Date: 12 May 06 - 01:54 PM

Erroneous assumption: Little Hawk's capacity for illusion is not induced by ingestion; it is autodidactic, not to say auto-erotic and solipsistic!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 May 06 - 02:24 PM

Three very neat words. Amos is a living, breathing thesaurus...the last of a dying breed.