BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 12:57 PM

Well this thread is now well pooched...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 12:53 PM

You've given me paws for thought there, Dave. Too doggone right you have...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 10:52 AM

Some people just don't have the dogged determination

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 08:38 AM

Just because someone butts out in high dudgeon it doesn't mean they were "hounded out." Unless you know different, of course...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 08:21 AM

It is a pity that some people feel hounded out from various threads. Even more of a pity that some seem to like the hounding.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 05:15 AM

Are you saying that mentioning dogs is a curs on this place?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 05:12 AM

Well, I hope mentioning dogs doesn't hound anyone else out.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

As many times as you like....

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

Put 'em in order of preference, pfr...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

Put 'em in order of preference, pfr...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:06 PM

I'd ban kids if it were up to me...

.. then cats.. and yappy little dogs..

.. then whenever the whim strikes, everything ese that irritates me...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:02 PM

There's always a bit of doggie oversensitivity when it comes to John. There is a legitimate grouse in this country when it comes to dogs and their owners - by no means all of 'em, of course - about irresponsible and antisocial behaviour. Not just the universal dogshit problem, but also of loose-running dogs in parks and on beaches, etc., that intimidate people whether or not the dogs "mean it." Some owners are so bloody stupid...("oh, he's only being friendly!" etc.). A minority (a word worth emphasising) of doggie owners seem to have this feeling of entitlement, that owning a dog somehow elevates them above the rest of us, "my pooch can't stand fireworks, so ban 'em, and why can't my pooch run free (and shit) on your beach...sod your kids..."

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 03:16 PM

I've just been revisiting this thread and noticed the following

Well done Steve. Another one driven away by your non-stop boorishness and judgmental preaching. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

I think that is very unfair, John. It was me that brought up the incongruous nature of Sen's apparent care for animals while supporting the Tories in their war against the poor and those least able to defend themselves. If anyone is to blame it is me and, yes, I am proud of highlighting blatant hypocrisy where it rears its head. I think her departure was brought on by the fact that the bitter pill of truth was too difficult to swallow. Just my 2p.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 08:10 PM

It also indicates that way back in early 20th Cent Britain,
there can't have been much else for couples to do during the cold months of Feb-March...

Now if only they'd had outdoor firework displays as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 07:22 PM

Anyway, it's funny how things go. My Dad died on October 15 2018. His birthday was November 8. My Mum died on October 20 last year. Her birthday is tomorrow (November 12). A dear old relative has her birthday today (November 11), 93 today. Mrs Steve's birthday is October 25. Her Dad's birthday was October 13, as was the birthday of a previous fiancée of mine and of one of my best mates at school. Talk about clusters!

And before Bonzo wades in, yes I do know that Thatcher's birthday was October 13...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 05:19 AM

The bike would have to be a tandem. The greyhound has to sit somewhere...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 04:32 AM

Bonzo say he is an accontant , but finds boarding dogs expensive.4 SUGGESTIONS,1. CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR YOUR ACCOUNTING.
2 Take Norman Tebbits advice, my dad didnt riot, he got on his bike and looked for work
3 dont take his advice and go and riot
4 go to speakers corner

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 05:50 PM

Bonz - Proper dog training can be very effective,
even with older dogs having troubled history and personality..

There's more than enough quite entertaining expert tv series on the subject.

..and plenty more of us dog lovers who succssfully raised well balanced less fearful canine best friends...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 05:45 PM

Well I'd like to see the evidence of these claimed "dozens." Did you do a survey? The other thing is, poor you, you'd find it expensive to board your dog. Well I find it expensive, as a taxpayer and non-dogowner, to provide you with countless dog bins as well as the council chaps to empty them. Nice work if you can get it, eh? Not to speak of the cost of clearing dogshit from our streets and parks, needed in order to keep us all safe from disease. I don't think you pay enough for the privilege of owning your dog. A licence costing a couple of hundred a year would be about right, I reckon.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, we've had cats, one, two or three at a time, for most of the last half-century. Unlike dogs, cats like to be out in the November gloaming, but we've never had any difficulty keeping them indoors on bonfire night. The other night we had a vicious thunderstorm, right overhead. We jumped out of our skins several times, but our pussycat didn't bat an eyelid. From what you're saying, it would have given your poor pooch a fatal heart attack. Maybe it never thunders in Croydon.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:28 PM

Bonzo why not take a holiday around nov 5, to one of the many places that do not have fireworks

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:17 PM

There may well be dozens of greyhound owners reporting the same, Bonzo. How does that compare to the millions of people who enjoy fireworks? Why should your dozens take priority over the millions? Don't get me wrong here. I do hate to see an animal in distress but get your priorities right.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:00 PM

"When maybe so many of them should be making the effort to take more responsibility
for properly training and protecting their pets..."

What is this "proper training" I see above - do tell us. A lot of posters to this thread DO NOT know what they are talking about.

The only solution as far as we are concerned is boarding out at premises with a soundproof room, as we did for our greyhound on 5th & 7th November - very expensive of course. Even now she hesitates before going outside in the dark. She will take a few weeks to completely get over the fireworks on Saturday night, when she completely went to pieces.

Dozens of greyhound owners reported the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:17 PM

I don't think fireworks are a right.

[too be honest, I gradually became bored years ago, with the same old same old displays..]

I do advocate reasonable tighter control on firework sales and use.

But what I am complaining about are the apparently organised loud lobby of UK pet owners,
selfishly bombarding social media with demands for draconian restrictions..

When maybe so many of them should be making the effort to take more responsibility
for properly training and protecting their pets...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:08 PM

What a strange extrapolation

How many people do fireworks kill?
How many people do guns kill?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:59 PM

Just because one person has a dog that can take fireworks does not give 'em a right to judge dogs that they know not of.

The nervous dog I speak of was a large quite intelligent Labrador (the most popular breed in the U.S. according to the infallibal internets) owned her whole life by a couple of southerners who treated her well but were by now means of the 'indulgent' kind of dog owner. As a young dog she did not fear fireworks or loud bangs, but over a long life she developed a great fearful reaction to them. The people live in a great neighborhood but there is a lake nearby and folks take the opportunity when the holidays permit to set up backyard fire displays. Since the lake is usually frozen at New Years' people have some quite elaborate parties cookouts and displays to go with. I persnally find it fun, but I have heard from many folks that this is hard on many dogs.

The couple I mention have a young dog now which is immune to almost all sources of fear. So fireworks are not a concern but local traffic IS.

Interesting that some folks think fireworks are a right but gun ownership is not. They're all bangers.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:20 PM

My Lambretta was the very rare GT200. A TV175 with an enhanced engine and go faster stripes. Be worth a fortune if I still had it!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 01:12 PM

Gnomes on Lambrettas...

Now that's a remake of "Quadrophenia" Disney channel should consider...

https://poopersnooper.app/get-started

Thanks for helping, DtG, but that link from last night was pointing to the wrong page anyway..

My eyese are getting too old and tired for those small phone screens.

So.. this is the real link that works...

https://poopersnooper.app/get-started

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 11:48 AM

I was a Mod in the late 60s. Will I do?

https://poopersnooper.app/

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:20 PM

Mod please fix if you could be so kind..
Cheers...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:17 PM

Actually I have to, got no choice.
That link seems to be broken.

https://poopersnooper.app/

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:14 PM

Steve - grass 'em up...

Pooper Snnooper


I'm a lifelong dog lover who has little regard for irresponsible and over-selfish dog owners..

At the moment I'm particularly annoyed at the fanatical entitled agenda to create an "Us versus them" division in society.
In order to get fireworks banned, or reduced literally to damp Sqibs..

.. and it's not just dog owners stirring up this divisiveness on the internet,
they have entered into an alliance with the darker side of the cat world...


(Yeah, I know that link is spelled wrong, I'm using my phone and can't be arsed doing it again..)...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 10:26 PM

As with children, dogs have become too molly coddled and over pampered in the 21st century..

I suggest dogs of my childhood were far more robust and less neurotic,
due to being better acclimatised to external challenges and stimulation,
than the soft headed pooches of today..

My family's dogs were rabbit hunting companions used to shot guns.
or my best friend who I took on long big adventure walks in all sorts of environments and conditions.'
Geting him used to loud traffic, railway lines, boisterous rough gangs of my schoolmates, FIREWORKS, etc...

We could/should blame inexperienced dog owners, the rise in dog ownership as domestic status symbols and fashion accessories
.. and plenty of other modern day factors which drasticaly push up the prices of dog ownership,
which means dogs have increasingly more money invested in their upkeep,
making families over protective and inkibited from taking risks with their 'fur babies'assets/posessions...

.. and of course the INTERNET must again be blamed for indulging the crankier organized spectrum of dog owners...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 07:40 PM

Well we need to work harder to make sure that fireworks are hard to get illegally and to make sure that they are allowed on just the one night. What we shouldn't be doing is banning fireworks because people choose to have dogs. Life's all about compromises. I'll do a deal with dog owners: don't ask for fireworks to be banned because they scare your dogs (once or twice a year), and I won't call for dogs to be banned despite all the dogshit everywhere in my town (365 days a year).

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 06:52 PM

FWIW here in the U.S. there are many dogs that are terrified of the fireworks that get set off in our neighborhood during July 4th, and New Years, many of them illegally. The old dog of my two closest friends had to be kept in a lighted room with the radio going full blast. I'm thinking that there might be an overpressure phenomenon for some dogs (clearly not all; some dogs seem to accept fireworks okay).

We of course don't have any Guy Fawkes Day that I'm aware of. I'd love to attend some day.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 05:19 PM

Four legs good, two legs baaaaaad.

The times we live in, hey?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 03:21 PM

Sen isn't out of here as in out of Mudcat. She is out of here as in has no answer to the point made about hypocrisy in caring about animals but not people.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 11:28 AM

Sen might have just meant she's only leaving this thread...???

Besides which, how many times has she previously taken offence and left mudcat for good...?????


I've forgotten the number of times I've got bored here and drifted off into the sunset......


But somthing addictive about this place always lures us back eventually...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 10:21 AM

I hope you change your mind Senoufou. I enjoy your posts. I liked your post on this thread about Bonfire Billy.

Someone recently posted the following quote from Brian Cox:

"The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!"

Just scroll past posts that you don't like. You don't even have to read them if they are from any particular poster.

There is an element in nearly all posters to the net/web, of liking the sight of their own typing. Some more so than others.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 05:02 AM

Incidentally, re Facebook, "let's ditch Facebook" is a suggestion, not a call for Facebook's "destruction."

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:57 AM

I've called for stronger fireworks controls repeatedly myself in this thread, John. I've said that sales should be restricted to adults only and that fireworks should be restricted to bonfire night only. And I could be reminding you of the petulant outbursts of expletives from the chap with wafer-thin house walls. I haven't driven anyone away, either. We're all grown-ups here who are free to go. Or stay.

Interestingly, for a refreshing change round here I've only heard fireworks on 5 November.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:09 AM

I made a practical suggestion, that Bonzo removed himself from a problem he has no control over, either put his dog in kennels or take himself off for a holiday to an area where there are few bangs.That way his problem is solved
he replies by calling me an arsehole, Bonzo rminds me of people who like to have something to moan about, I was with a woman for 24 years who was like that.
I never mentioned anyones politics did I?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:20 AM

Well done Steve. Another one driven away by your non-stop boorishness and judgmental preaching. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

In the light of your ‘hypocrisy’ comment, you might also consider the hypocrisy of someone who excoriates others for calling for stronger fireworks controls because in your opinion, despite the damage they cause to animals, it would take away pleasure from people who enjoy them, but who himself authored a thread calling for the destruction of a social media platform that, despite its undoubted faults, brings pleasure and comfort to millions of people who enjoy taking part in it.

“O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us…”

Now I’m following Senoufou, this place is starting to get up my nose.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 02:46 AM

I'm out of here. Goodbye to you all, and 'keep a-troshing' everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:22 PM

Sorry about that. But one thing I can't be doing with is rank hypocrisy....

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:05 PM

"Please remember that Bonzo is coping with a terrified dog and also Mrs Bonzo has had painful problems with her eye, needing injections, and hasn't been sleeping well. He must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home."

Yeah, sure. And Owen Paterson, no matter what an utter shit he is, bang to rights apropos of his blatant breach of the lobbying rules, who's had painful problems with his incredibly wealthy wife's suicide, which he is shamelessly and disgracefully using in order to get sympathy to divert from his wrongdoings, must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet away from us unentitled plebs...

I mean, bloody 'ell...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 02:59 PM

Oh, I seem to have missed Bonzo's post just above the one calling people unfeeling total arseholes.

shaw and sandman - don't be so fucking stupid, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about as ever.

"under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home" Are you sure?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:56 PM

Sen, this person who probably needs peace and quiet at home just posted

what unfeeling total arseholes you both are

Sounds more like spoiling for a fight than needing peace and quiet to me.

As to bringing your politics into it, if you care to review my post you will see that I said specifically that I did not want to bring politics into it. My whole point was that both you and Bonzo obviously care very much about animal welfare yet, seemingly, support a regime that could not care less about peoples lives. That is not political, just strangely incongruous.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:29 PM

OK, pax everyone! :)
Just now, some more fireworks are going off up the road, but not very loud ones.
Please remember that Bonzo is coping with a terrified dog and also Mrs Bonzo has had painful problems with her eye, needing injections, and hasn't been sleeping well. He must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 12:33 PM

Sen - Of course not. Honestly, you were not even on my mind until you popped in just now..

You may be a tory, but you are one of our old fashioned good decent compassionate tories..

Unlike the crooks in govt calling themselves 'tories', who let you down.


Btw - American contributers are in not really in any comfortable superior position to hold the moral highground over us Brits...

.. jusy saying...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:53 AM

”Oh please all of you, stop this awful slanging match!…..This forum is becoming most unpleasant to visit, and these comments must give the American contributors a terrible idea of British people's manners and lack of self-control.
I can guess now who's going to weigh in next ...

Spot-on, Sen. Well said.