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Little Hawk 06 Jan 07 - 07:43 PM
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Little Hawk 06 Jan 07 - 11:03 PM
Bill D 07 Jan 07 - 01:00 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 Jan 07 - 01:36 AM
Podger 07 Jan 07 - 03:32 AM
My guru always said 07 Jan 07 - 06:12 AM
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Subject: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:43 PM

We're having the warmest early January in southern Ontario that I think I've ever seen. It's been well above freezing for a few days now, and the grass is growing! Unbelievable. Could this be global warming or are we just lucky? ;-) Chongo is hoping the trend continues, because he would like to grow some banana and mango trees here.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:46 PM

We have tulips that sprouted and are six inches tall here in eastern Ontario.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:56 PM

But they seem to be catching hell in BC...


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:11 PM

The cherry blossoms were out in DC!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Mooh
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:24 PM

Lucky, Little Hawk? No, just creepy! Weird and creepy, that's what it is. Planted the potted Christmas tree the other day in soil as soft as in summer. There's no ice on or along the lakes, no ground cover for the fields and meadows, bears aren't asleep, streams are running fast with the rains, and the guys at the salt mine are getting layoff notices due to lack of demand.

It's just all fucked up.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:03 PM

Yeah, it's that all right.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:00 AM

71º here in DC area today...scary...


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:36 AM

Very warm also in Texas. Despite the impression that this is a warm southern state, much of the northern 2/3 of Texas has at least a couple of months of winter. Here in the Fort Worth area we can usually rely on the November through February to have more cool days than warm days, though that hasn't been true this year.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Podger
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 03:32 AM

The warmer the winter, the more snow.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: My guru always said
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:12 AM

All the garden birds I feel are getting territorial again, the robins are squaring up to each other so I reckon nesting will be at least a month early. This is crazy, I don't know how the world can adapt safely this quickly.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:11 AM

I suppose we'll spend less on natural gas this year...some bitter consolation. The humidity has been such that my guitars are surviving without assistance. The ice fishing operators, snow removal folks, and ski hills will be loosing their shirts (wry pun, eh).

Warm again this mornin'.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Beer
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:49 AM

I just spread straw over my raised garlic bed. Bobad! Has your garlic popped up ? Bobad give me some bulbs last year. You should see his garden, beautiful if that is the correct adjective to use.
Beer


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:31 AM

On closer inspection it turns out that what we thought were tulips sending up shoots are really irises, which is a good thing because even though a subsequent freeze will kill the shoots, the plants should survive, which would not be the case for tulips or garlic. We have lost our garlic crop in the past due to an early thaw and refreeze and would hate to have it happen again as it means obtaining new seed stock and starting all over, not to mention losing a year's supply of home grown.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:34 AM

Geez. If Shane lost a whole year's supply of homegrown he'd be almost suicidal!


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Beer
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 10:06 AM

I'm not touching that one.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: LilyFestre
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 10:59 AM

In North Central Pennsylvania, we have grass growing in the compost pile (the grass growing in the yard is greening up), pussy willows that are budding and in Ithaca, NY I saw chamomile type flowers growing...full, open blooms. Beautiful but odd to see in January. Also, I have seen several hawks and a blue heron standing on the side of the road. Both of these birds have left for warmer climates by now. The local lakes and ponds have yet to freeze over as well. I spoke to the owner of one of the Finger Lake wineries last week and he said that the variety of wines they normally offer may not be available in the spring due to the temperatures and lack of the ground freezing.

I miss the snow too.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:06 AM

Same here. And it was like this pretty much all winter last year.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:17 AM

Saw a flock of geese flying north yesterday!


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:35 AM

"If Shane lost a whole year's supply of homegrown he'd be almost suicidal!"

I can relate to that - once you've tried premium, organic homegrown, there's no going back to that low quality imported stuff - it just doesn't do it to ya.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Bee
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 12:37 PM

It's makin' me nervous. Either the climate's completely screwed up, which does not bode well for the survival of a lot of plant and animal species, or February and March are going to be downright cruel, cold and deep in snow.

Over the holidays I took photos (with my new! digital! camera!) of a completely uncamouflaged white winter bunny. Very pretty, but not very safe, poor critter.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:06 PM

"The warmer the winter, the more snow." Podger


That's how I think of this unusually snowy winter in southeast Alaska. Our air temperatures have been warmer than normal (with highs in the upper 30s, rather than around 20) but we are on the Pacific coast so we get a great deal of moisture and we are far enough north that that moisture comes down as snow rather than rain.

It is very pretty though. It snowed all day yesterday and overnight. This morning the temperature is just below freezing and the snow is crisp.

Last night we had our monthly folkie club concert again. While listening to the people sing I watched the snow falling steadily. Lovely.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:23 PM

Unlike the eastern slope of Colorado where they've had three huge snowstorms in as many weeks, we have had a mix of really cold to moderately warm temps and very little snow, though the snow part is not unusual. We never have robins here during the winter, I am pretty sure I heard one the other day. There is concern that not all of the bugs which are usually frozen are not so this year and there is concern for the orchards and wineries in case we have a hard freeze as they may bud out too soon. Fortunately, right now, it is too cold for that to happen.

The whole thing seems really weird. It was 70 degrees on Cape Cod yesterday!

What really concerns me is the following:

Giant Ice Shelf Breaks Off in Canadian Arctic
Richard A. Lovett
for National Geographic News
December 29, 2006

A huge Canadian ice shelf 500 miles (800 kilometers) from the North Pole has disintegrated, leaving a large floating island of ice stranded 30 miles (48 kilometers) offshore, scientists reported yesterday.

The entire 25.5-square-mile (66-square-kilometer) Ayles Ice Shelf broke free from the northern coast of Ellesmere Island on August 13, 2005 (map of Canada).

The event registered as a small earthquake on instruments stationed 150 miles (250 kilometers) away, Warwick Vincent of Quebec's Laval University told the CanWest News Service.

"It's like a cruise missile came down and hit the ice shelf," Vincent said. "It no longer exists."

The breakup was spotted on satellite photos shortly after it occurred, but scientists have held back until now to make an announcement.

"We've spent the last year reconstructing exactly what happened," said Luke Copland, a geographer with the University of Ottawa in Ontario, Canada.

Sixteen months of study led Copland and colleagues to the conclusion that several factors were at work, mostly related to global warming.

Long-Term Trend

Ice shelves are floating tongues of glaciers that fill bays in the Arctic and Antarctic. The shelves are attached to land and are much thicker than pack ice—freely floating masses of sea ice.

The Ayles ice shelf was believed to be 3,000 to 4,500 years old.

Before the breakup the Canadian Arctic had six ice shelves.

"Now there are five," Copland said. In the past hundred years, he added, Canada's ice shelves have shrunk by 90 percent.


You may read the rest of the article HERE, go to the bottom and click on "next page."

Also, there is an article about how the Artic ice is not freezing over the winter HERE.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:35 PM

so, it seems Lord Franklin was just 150 years early looking for that Northwest Passage....

and, yes...one GOOD thing is that just as the price of natural gas for heating has gone way up, I am not having to use much so far this Winter.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 01:51 PM

Maybe were entering what's called a "Climactic Optimum".

In which case, watch out for Vikings coming back!


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 02:04 PM

Being in northern Florida, well north of the frost-free line but far enough south that winter cold is intermittent instead of continuous, we're used to false Springs. They never last and Winter always comes back with a vengeance.

But, that hasn't stopped my wife from getting the gardening bug super early and planting stuff that I just know will get zapped next time the temperature drops down well below freezing. So it goes. Seeds are cheap and it keeps her off the streets.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 05:33 PM

Podger's right. Around here, warmer winter + the Great Lakes don't freeze over + more moisture in air + more snow.

It's comin'. Sooner or later.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: maeve
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 05:57 PM

Here in midcoast Maine, crocus leaves have emerged and my miniature daffodil tips are beginning to show. Red elder buds are swelling. The bantams are delirious with joy at having access to our veggie garden from which I harvested carrots, parsley, and 2 kinds of kale this afternoon. Turkeys wander without snow to cover their mast, and the finches, chickadees, and cardinals are trying out their spring songs.

maeve


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:24 PM

All buried as the snow suddenly fell. ka-THUMP!


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:31 PM

I've already seen this movie...It's very scarey.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:39 PM

Was it "An Inconvenient Truth" or that other one based on the Whitley Strieber book?

From what I've heard, too much warming can cause the ocean currents to shift, shutting down the Atlantic Conveyer (losing us the Gulf Stream warming), resulting in something like an ice age descending on much of North America and western Europe.

If so, Canada will not be such a good place to be anymore. Nor will England or Maine.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Joe_F
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 10:43 PM

I sat out in a park in Malden, MA & read for a while yesterday, without a jacket. It was nearly 70 deg F.

It seems to be well above freezing in the daytime over most of Greenland. I am looking forward to kayaking in Boston.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:00 PM

Last April I planted fan palm seeds that I collected in San Fransisco. I kept them at 90 degrees F and monitored the soil moisture for 3 months. Nothing Happened! I put the plantings outside exposing them to torrential rains and brutal heat all summer long. At the end of September they all popped up. I live in Maine with my palm trees. It was 65 degrees F this past Saturday. The palm trees are alive and well and waiting for global warming to get into full swing before I plant them outside.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Beer
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:15 PM

Should be an interesting growing season for hemp. There is mention of the hottest summer on record coming.
Beer
Aka (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Beer
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

I've had gray,black and red squirrel's up to now but this morning a chipmunk showed up at the feeder.


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:06 PM

Very mild here in Nova Scotia . Rhere are leaves coming out on my lilac, cherry and apple trees, tulips are showing as are iris and daffs. None of this is a good sign, is it ?


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Subject: RE: BS: A very early Spring?
From: Beer
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:25 PM

Where abouts are you in N.S.? Was speaking to my brother in law this morning and he told me the geese are all in the harbor. In Chezzetcook that is.
Beer
Aka (adrien)


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