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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:08 PM Sounds a painful way of getting nicotine up to the preferred level, Johnny. I can't imagine why they don't just go back to the relatively sociable practice of taking snuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:47 PM http://www.forces.org/index.php is the home page for the "evidence" for the "health benefits of smoking" site posted. It refers most often back to itself, doesn't name the sources of the studies, and when it does quote articles it is careless with the information and draws unwarranted conclusions. Don't bet the farm on what you read there. Under the table this one is funded by smoking industry supporters, if not the industry itself. Cash cow, indeed! Too many non-smokers had to withstand decades of smokers lighting up without reference to anyone else in the vehicle, the house, the office, the plane or bus--pity the poor sod stuck in the last row of the "non-smoking" section of an airliner on a long flight. They knew they felt and smelled bad after involuntary exposure. Those unfortunate enough to live with thoughtless smokers aren't likely to give an inch on this issue now, and with good reason. Google smoking disease images. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Blackcatter Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:42 PM Daylia - most of the negativity on this thread is either generated by you or directed to you. NOT to smokers in general. Congrats on being healthy. But if you don't like anti-smokers gloating, maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't gloat yorself. Besides, if smoking is such a healthy exercise, you should be in the norm, and it's just silly to gloat as you're just part of the herd. Have a grand and glorius day folks. and feel free to attack me. I would expect nothing less. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 28 Aug 04 - 04:55 PM Hey Daylia, I wouldn't necessarily trust anything the Swedes say! :0) I was working there for a week recently and I found many of the guys (and gals) cramming what looked like little tea-bags in their mouths between their top lip and gum. They then proceeded to tell me how bad the low-fat crisps I ate with my lunch are for my health. Then they described how smoking is a serious health risk, so they use these little tea-bags (which contain tobacco and smell like dog-shit) "because they're not such a health-risk". Then (and I almost puked at this) they showed me the holes in their gums and cheeks that sucking on these things causes - one guy (who actually doesn't use the tea-bags, but buys the gunge that's inside them 'loose' in a tin, and shoves handfuls of it up his gums) had a hole right through into his nose! How gross is that?? Conclusion - just like smokers, the Swedes I met will dream up any justification for their madness! :0) Please don't bite me! (LOL) :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 28 Aug 04 - 02:22 PM LH, for as long as I've known you, smoking has been one of your favorite things to bash. Pretty easy target, for anybody who's never smoked. For smokers, those lyrics are discourteous, offensive, ignorant and inflammatory. But for non-smokers looking for someone or something to ridicule and hate? I'm sure they're just peachy! In recent years I've noticed you've become more and more insulting and obnoxious toward smokers, including me. I'm guessing that the couple decades now of corrupt politics, media slandering and deliberate public misinformation about tobacco have finally had their desired effect, even on agreeable and open-minded people like yourself. :-( Afer all, EVERYONE has permission to publicly insult, hate, preach at and demonize smokers today. WHy not you too? We who suggest that smoking is bad for people are not your mother! I suggest people educate themselves thoroughly, looking carefully at ALL scientific and first-hand evidence on both sides of the issue, before giving anyone "suggestions" about their private affairs. I also highly recommend refraining from giving ANY unsolicited "advice" (grin) Here's an idea, daylia...open a chain of health spas for weight loss. The program: Smoke more cigarettes daily in order to lose weight! See if you can get people up to 5 packs a day if that's what it takes. Anything is worth taking off those extra pounds, right? ... You could become the "weight loss queen" of Canada and maybe get the Order of Canada for it and get to meet Adrienne Clarkson. Uh oh. Are you really losing it, LH? Or maybe I've just lost my sense of tee-hee. OK, pull yourself together now daylia ... this calls for another .... BITE ME!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Aug 04 - 01:26 PM Daylia, did you ever hear that song I wrote to the tune of that other old song "In the land of France...etc" Big Cash Cow Smoking makes you smell Smoking rots your lungs to hell Smoking's ugly and it's needless Major spending for the heedless It's a big cash cow And it wants your dollars now! Join the line of fools On the sidewalk by the school Join the ranks of local losers Couch potatoes, junkies, boozers Join the line of sheep Smoke your lungs out, fall asleep Drink your coffee, eat your burger Unpremeditated murder It's a big cash cow And it wants your dollars now! Do I mind your smoke? Yes, I do, I hope you choke Take your cancer stick and stick it Flick your Bic into the thicket It's a big cash cow And it wants your dollars now! We had just made love When she slipped out of her glove A narcotic that is legal Doesn't change the fact it's evil I said, "Thanks, I'll pass. I would rather have some grass. It's less bad for you, and it's less addictive too!" Take your smoke break, Jack Take it somewhere down the track Back behind the cancer station At the heart attack location Take your smoke break, please But don't do it next to me It's a big cash cow And it wants your dollars NOW! (now...now...now...) I thought it was interesting that you used the term "cash cow" in one of your recent posts, and it reminded me of this lyric (which I wrote back in the 90's). As you know, I'm not inclined to actually smoke grass either, but I thought it was funny to put it in the song in order to make a point. It is less harmful to the general public than tobacco, in my opinion. Now, it's true you are in pretty good shape. The fact is some (a few) people are not affected much by smoking. Many others are definitely sickened and killed by it. It varies from person to person. You could say that about a lot of things. It's also true that you can find plenty of unhealthy nonsmokers...but you know why that is? It's because there are at least 50,000 different ways (physical and psychological) in which a person can become unhealthy!!! :-) I won't endeavour to list them all here. Smoking is just one of them. Now here's a question: Is it really worth it to go on winning this particular little symbolic victory over your mother...when you tally up the yearly $ expense? I may be wrong, but I think that's what it really amounts to. It's your declaration of independence against parental (in your case, maternal) domination. We who suggest that smoking is bad for people are not your mother! Another couple of thoughts. You note that those who quit smoking gain weight. Yes! Not poisoning the body does tend to increase it's ability to injest nutrients effectively, and appetite gets increased too...as people have a yen to replace the smoke break with other forms of oral gratification...eating food, I mean. :-) However....consider just how THIN I might be then if I were a smoker!!!!!!! (gasp!) I might just disappear entirely if I were to take up smoking. :-) This would not be good. No, I think the reason your friends are gaining weight after quitting smoking is this: they are eating an overly rich North American diet and not getting enough exercise. What they need to do is not smoke...but eat a better diet and get more exercise! Not bloody likely, right? (grin) Here's an idea, daylia...open a chain of health spas for weight loss. The program: Smoke more cigarettes daily in order to lose weight! See if you can get people up to 5 packs a day if that's what it takes. Anything is worth taking off those extra pounds, right? Women would really go for this, I think, because they almost all think they're overweight. I figure the tobacco industry would be willing to provide substantial financial aid to anyone who started such a program, so contact 'em and go for it! You could become the "weight loss queen" of Canada and maybe get the Order of Canada for it and get to meet Adrienne Clarkson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:44 AM "A little of what you fancy does you good"? Not impossible - but the emphasis should be on a little. And what people always seem to brush aside is that smoking is by no means the only way to take nicotine, and that tobacco is by no means the only thing we can smoke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: *daylia* Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:18 AM Well Johnny, I do hope I get to meet you someday, so you can see I'm not just spouting fantasies about my health or my appearance. And I promise I'd never let you kiss me! The only real reason I have to quit smoking today is financial. In Canada today, the ever-increasing astromical taxes levied on tobacco products are one of the hugest cash cows in history. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: *daylia* Date: 28 Aug 04 - 08:07 AM Lookie here! But hold onto your hat-badges ... this is quite the shocking collection of articles and scientific studies about the therapeutic effects of nicotine and smoking tobacco. Please, click on the Swedish study showing that smokers and their children are at a significantly lesser risk of developing asthma, rhino-conjunctivitis and allergies. So, my "absurd theories and denial", gleaned from a lifetime of first-hand experience and observation, may be right on the mark after all! The list of benefits is too long to post here, so please read the articles if you're interested ... and here's few quotes ... "This information is an example of what the anti-tobacco groups do not want publicized because it fails to support their agenda. Some of the studies report benefits not just from nicotine, but from smoking itself. But of course, according to the anti-smokers, all these scientists have been "paid by the tobacco industry" ... even though this is not true. Sadly, personal slander and misinformation are the price a scientist has to pay for honest work on tobacco." "The benefits of smoking tobacco have been common knowledge for centuries. From sharpening mental acuity to maintaining optimal weight, the relatively small risks of smoking have always been outweighed by the substantial improvement to mental and physical health. Hysterical attacks on tobacco notwithstanding, smokers always weigh the good against the bad and puff away or quit according to their personal preferences. Now the same anti-tobacco enterprise that has spent billions demonizing the pleasure of smoking is providing additional reasons to smoke. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Tourette's Syndrome, even schizophrenia and cocaine addiction are disorders that are alleviated by tobacco. Add in the still inconclusive indication that tobacco helps to prevent colon and prostate cancer and the endorsement for smoking tobacco by the medical establishment is good news for smokers and non-smokers alike. Of course the revelation that tobacco is good for you is ruined by the pharmaceutical industry's plan to substitute the natural and relatively inexpensive tobacco plant with their overpriced and ineffective nicotine substitutions. Still, when all is said and done, the positive revelations regarding tobacco are very good reasons indeed to keep lighting those cigarettes." "There is no solid proof for any of the diseases attributed to tobacco - just statistics and speculative associations, but the ministries of health continue to lie to the public, in a dazzling display of intellectual, professional, moral and political corruption." "If the intention of "public health" is to inform the public about the consequences of smoking on health as it proclaims, why don't we see "warnings" such as: "Smoking Protects against Parkinson's Disease," or "Smoking protects against Alzheimer's Disease," or "Smoking protects against Ulcerative Colitis" and so on, alongside with the other speculations on "tobacco-related" disease? Isn't the function of public health to tell the citizens about ALL the effects on health of a substance? Obviously not. "Public health," today, is nothing more than a deceiving propaganda machine paid by pharmaceutical and public money to promote frauds, fears, and puritanical rhetoric dressed up in white coats." OK, I'm running for cover now .... daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 28 Aug 04 - 07:58 AM I think the point is, Daylia, that whilst you may indeed be a ravishing picture of rude good health, that's not the norm amongst smokers. In the main, by age 45, they cough like broken-down old horses, have faces like dried prunes (I just hate to see once-beautiful ladies with the gaunt features and puckered lips that constant sucking on cancer-sticks brings on) and God-Knows-What growing quietly, secretly inside them. And they stink. Trust me lassie, sucking mints does NOT hide the stench of tobacco on the breath, and as a non-smoker whose wife used to smoke I have personal knowledge of that truth :0) I happily grant you the right to your own beliefs and opinions, and I deplore the abuse that's been heaped upon you for having the courage to speak your mind. However, I hope you wake up to reality before it's too late. J :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,GROK Date: 28 Aug 04 - 03:46 AM Go, Samuel! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: *daylia* Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:56 AM Thanks, Ellenpoly - and same to you! Hey GUEST, I was only doing some on-line wondering, (hence the word "hypothesis" in your quote). It's a mystery to me how I somehow stay healthier than majority of the non-smokers I know, and why many smokers DO start suffering asthma and allergies for the first time in their lives after they quit. There has to be a reason for that! I've been smoking for 35 years - if all the propoganda about Tobacco is true, shouldn't I be pushing up daisies by now, or at least unable to walk across the room without losing my breath or something??? If I do get cancer tomorrow, I'll be sure to start a thread about it though. That way you'll at least have something to gloat about. I'll welcome Death with open arms when it does come for me, for whatever reason. Mark Twain says it all imo, and a lot better than I ever could ... Life was not a valuable gift, but death was. Life was a fever-dream made up of joys embittered by sorrows, pleasure poisoned by pain; a dream that was a nightmare-confusion of spasmodic and fleeting delights, ecstasies, exultations, happinesses, interspersed with long-drawn miseries, griefs, perils, horrors, disappointments, defeats,humiliations, and despairs--the heaviest curse devisable by divine ingenuity; but death was sweet, death was gentle, death was kind; death healed the bruised spirit and the broken heart, and gave them rest and forgetfulness; death was man's best friend; when man could endure life no longer, death came and set him free. - Letters from the Earth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Ellenpoly Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:06 AM Before yet another thread succombs to name-calling or derision (or throwing epitaphs..hehehe) may I just say to daylia, that I really do hope you are one of the lucky ones. May you live to be a healthy hundred and twelve. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:01 AM With apologies to William Shakespeare and MacBeth, "I bear a charmed life, which must not yield To one of tobacco scorned." Something similiar to this was said right before old man MacDuff scored a direct hit. Let's hope you're so lucky that old woman cancer doesn't nail you, daylia, in your pleasant life of absurd theories and denial ("Now here's a hypothesis . . . Could it be possible that because of the "exercise" my body got (and gets) flushing out the toxins, it developed a stronger "flushing mechanism" /immune system than typically found in non-smokers?") This is dumb luck, as anyone who has had cancer will tell you. No one deserves it, but some of us leave ourselves open to it a lot more than others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: greg stephens Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:48 AM Thank you very much for clarifying that point, GUEST. I'd never have thought of that, and I imagine Daylia and most other Mudcatters too wouldn't understand that sort of nuance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM daylia, that was CANCER as in DEATH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Paco Rabanne Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:41 AM wake up when you reach 199. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:36 AM Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:23 AM Brace for impact, Johnny and McGrath ... it looks like the uk has been Bitten, too! Oh, and GUEST, get in time willya? That was last month. This month it's VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO VIRGO daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:01 AM CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER CANCER |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:52 AM You're right, Ebbie. And not all of us fall like flies for the same toxins, either. Everyone has a different physiology, different tolerance levels, different strengths and weaknesses. I was driving up a mountainside near Hope BC a couple years ago when I noticed an old man on a bike ahead of me. He caught my eye because his hair was so silver, his bike was laden down with gear and that was one steep grade. I was impressed ... there I was 30 or so years younger, and I wouldn't have wanted to try keeping up with him! But the biggest shocker was when I passed him and noticed he had a pipe hanging out of his mouth, thick smoke curling out around his head. :-O I couldn't believe my eyes! I wished I had a camera! He would have made a great "Bite Me!" poster to defend myself against all the propoganda about Tobacco these days. But I think I've told this story on the Cat before, and had it all shot to h***. Oh well. Don't get me wrong - I'm NOT saying anyone should start smoking, or that all smokers are anything like that old man - but I do think it depends on personal biology, physical history and lifestyle. If that old guy had been smoking while biking up mountainsides all his life, well ... maybe it's not so surprising after all. Now here's a hypothesis - because I smoke a few cigarettes every day, the self-cleaning mechanisms in my throat and lungs get more of a daily work-out than your average non-smoker. My body has been dealing (successfully so far, touch wood!) with tobacco smoke since I was only 10 years old. Could it be possible that because of the "exercise" my body got (and gets) flushing out the toxins, it developed a stronger "flushing mechanism" /immune system than typically found in non-smokers? Is that why I hardly ever get sick, and have never been plagued with the respiratory ailments so many other people suffer with? All of my siblings smoked for years, except one. I'm the only one that has yet to "kick the habit". It's interesting that out of the 4 who quit, 3 have since developed athsmatic tendencies and allergies to air-borne particles, for the first time in their lives. All have gained weight. And worst of all, they've become so insulting and holier-than-thou I find them quite the challenge to be around these days, as well. McGrath is right - ... coming on too heavy doesn't help people quit, it just gives them an extra reason to keep smoking. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Ebbie Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:18 PM "Is it bad for you when you smell smog? The exhaust from your car? Your snowmobile? Your boat motor? Your lawnmower? Is it bad for you when you smell factory fumes? Traffic fumes? Fresh Asphalt? How about fresh gasoline, furnace oil, natural gas? Is it bad for you when you smell your local sewage disposal plant? Your local pulp mill? The stale lifeless recycled air in public buildings and other enclosed spaces? Your neighbour's pipe tobacco? Your neighbour's barbeque? Your neighbour's new painting project? Your neighbour's cigarette? Your neighbour's backyard campfires?" The answer, of course, is Yes. However, not all of us add one more toxin to the list. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Cluin Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:35 PM "Bite Me!" was popularised by David Letterman years before "Buffy the Vampire Layer". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:01 PM True enough. But coming on too heavy doesn't help people quit, it just gives them an extra reason to keep smoking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,Mr. Butts Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:55 PM Well, Daylia and other smokers can deny the effects of their addiction all they want. It doesn't matter, the truth is obvious. I used to tell my pal Rick Fielding to quit smoking and for years he blew me off. After his first bout with cancer, he told me he'd wished he'd listened. Meanwhile, another Mudcatter, Okthen, has died from cancer caused by smoking. With Rick, that's at least two Mudcatters so far this year. Okthen's obit thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Aug 04 - 11:05 AM The equivalent coined for pre-watershed TV shows here was "Naff Off", which seems much more effective, and less likely to give rise to misunderstandings. I mean, "Bite Me" sounds like it might be a somewhat abrupt chat-up line. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:58 AM Nah Daylia - I'm old fashioned (and old!). F**k Off's good for me! LOL! Thanks Sooz - more American tosh. Give me a good 'Ull thread any day! LMAO! The Artist Formerly Known As 17st 10lbs Waddlin' Johnny (ROFL!) :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:11 AM Johnny, I think "Bite Me!" is the latest euphemism for f*** off, coined in recent years by Generation X - in particular, Buffy fans. I think it's kinda cute, myself. Saves wear and tear on the middle finger! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Sooz Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:20 AM look here Johnny! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 26 Aug 04 - 08:58 AM What's 'Bite Me' all about? Not a saying we're accustomed to in Her Britannic Majesty's Kingdom/Empire/Commonwealth. Can someone enlighten me as to what it means, 'cause it's Greek to me! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,WAsteD iN WAwa Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:53 AM *grunt* *cough cough* *HORK!* *roll over* *fumble fumble* ..... Where's my Butt gone? Who's that groanin? Who's here? That you, BDiBR? stumble *THUMP* OUCH!!! grumble grumble Creeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak Oh, it's you again GUEST. *blink blink* GUEST? What the h*** are ya ....ha! Ha ha HA! *choke* haaaa ... So who went an told ya to 'Bite me!' this time, ya silly f***er?!? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Blackcatter Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:37 PM be nice!?! Man are you a dreamer! Brucie - if you ever visit in FLorida, drop by, I'll have a nice comfy chair outside under the poach just for you to smoke in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Peace Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:48 PM I smoke outdoors, never inside. Even in the houses of other smokers. I have had the experience of a non-smoker approaching me outside and then 'coughing' when the smoke I exhaled blew into his nostrils. Stunned ass didn't know which way downwind was I guess. Life can have its moments. I feel just as offended when people wear perfumes that make me gag: not all do, but there are a few. And occasionally, people use one of the Dove soaps that make me want to throwup. Does that also count as invasion of space? It's not life and death, I know. I have heard the 'smoking is pollution' argument before. It's weak. I heard it from someone who drives a semi. His rig spews more exhaust when he starts the motor than I do in a year. Go figure. Just stuff. Nothing serious. If anyone decides to take me to task, go for it. However, be nice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: mike the knife Date: 25 Aug 04 - 07:09 PM Sometimes I smoke, Most of the time I don't. When I'm having a pint, I want a cigarette. When I was playing sports seriously, I didn't smoke. Every once in a while, when I wanted to smoke, I enjoyed a cigarette or two. I do not smoke in my house, nor do I allow anyone else to. I do not smoke in other people's homes/businesses unless they are smokers themselves & I have received permission. I do not smoke while people at my or nearby tables are eating. I make a serious effort to be aware of non-smokers in my midst and will redirect any smoke to the best of my ability, as I too find it annoying at times. If it's bothering you, I'll do my best to make it not so, up to & including NOT smoking for a while. If however, I do want a cigarette and I am in a "smoking area" and some self-important twit gets "all up in my grill" about it, they should not expect a civil response. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 05:09 PM sez daylia: (Or so I've been told quite a number of times by those few people fortunate enough to have earned the privilege of eating me). This "bares" repeating. Ma'm, it's really you, in the flesh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Aug 04 - 01:19 PM If I don't care for someone's on-line manner or find I'm always butting heads with them for some reason or another, I've tried making it a policy to skip their posts. That's the problem with posts from nameless GUESTS - sometimes they're from people worth reading, other times from people who've earned the right to be ignored. The result is that posts well worth reading get skipped over a lot of the time. But this is drifting away from the thread into areas that have been thrashed out in many other thread. ............................. As I see it, it's quite fair for non-smokers to be forceful about smoking that impinges on other people - which mostly means indoors, but there are other occasions when this happens, for example in outdoor concerts which are laid out in such a way that smoke is a nuisance (for example the Arena at Sidmouth, with the audience on a steeply sloping amphitheatre). But that's as far as it goes - provided people aren't effectively blowing the smoke in your face, it's their business. In a way, it's a lifestyle choice, and intolerance about it is no different from intolerance about other lifestyle choices people make. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:49 PM But GUEST, you don't really bother me that much. I've heard it all before, from people just like you who haven't a clue who or what they're talking about, but just like to be a pain in the u-no. That's why I haven't ignored you yet. Your posts remind me of Ontario's provincial bird - the mosquito. A little annoying, yes -- but comfortingly familiar. If I'm lucky, a few well-placed, well-timed swats might put you out of your misery, or at least squish that venom outta you. If not, you'll buzz off on your own, eventually. And in the meantime, you're invited most cordially once again to .... BITE ME!!! daylia PS ... I LOVE the crust on pizza! It's the best part, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Peace Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:39 PM Daylia wants to smoke, it's her business. Period. S'lons she doesn't blow it in someone's face, does it away from people or with only other smokers, what's the problem? Lotsa people drink. They get liver disease. Someone gonna start a thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:33 PM They don't always go that way MTC. Some argue till they're blue in the face but still manage to part as friends. Guest - I disagree absolutely with Daylia, but I see no reason to abuse her. Argue - yes, it's good fun. Abuse - certainly not, it says more about the abuser than it does the abused. 'Bye now. J :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,anabella Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM I am non-smoker and so are MARA Junior Science College Pengkalan Chepa Gurlz Club . We are good gurls!!! Smoke is bad for health. My boyfriend is also non smoking.... hahaaahahaha!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 12:12 PM Hey Butts, believe it or not I taste GREAT! (Or so I've been told quite a number of times by those few people fortunate enough to have earned the privilege of eating me). Only difference between eating you and pizza is that with the pizza most folks don't eat the crust. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:57 AM From the obnoxious Mudcatter thread, a bit of hyperbole:
If I don't care for someone's on-line manner or find I'm always butting heads with them for some reason or another, I've tried making it a policy to skip their posts. (WARNING: if you try the ignoring tactic and the person does decide to extend the olive branch at some point, you'll never know it) When it gets really unbearable, I just stay away from the Cat completely for a while. But I'd rather be here than on a site so heavily censored and monitored the discussions sound like they're piped in from the good ship Lollipop! daylia Yeah, right. She stops posting and ingores the offender [not]! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:33 AM And she said "Tex excuse me please, I've just got to have another cigarette." Sheesh, smoking never seemed to work very well for me as a birth control method. What was I doing wrong???? ;-) daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:23 AM SMOKE! SMOKE! SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE! (Merle Travis) cho: Smoke! Smoke! Smoke that cigarette! Puff, Puff, Puff and if you smoke yourself to death Tell Saint Peter at the Golden Gate That you hate to make him wait But you've just got to have another cigarette. Now I'm a feller with a heart of gold, And the ways of a gentleman, I've been told, The kind of a guy that wouldn't even harm a flea-- But if me and a certain character met, The guy that invented the cigarette, I'd murder that son of a gun in the first degree-- Not 'cause I don't smoke myself, And I don't reckon they'll harm your health I've smoked all my life and ain't dead yet But nicotine slaves are all the same, At a pettin' party or a poker game, Everything must stop while they smoke that cigarette. In a game of chance the other night Old Dame Fortune was a-doin' me right, The Kings and Queens just kept on comin' around-- I played 'em hard and bet 'em high, But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy, He kept on raisin' and layin' the money down He'd raise me and I'd raise him, I sweated blood gotta sink or swim, He finally called and didn't raise the bet-- I said "Aces full, pal,--how 'bout you?" He said "I'll tell you in a minute or two, Right now I've just got to have a cigarette." The other night I had a date With the cutest little girl in the forty eight states A high-bred, uptown, fancy little dame-- She said she loved me and it seemed to me That things were 'bout like they oughta be, So hand in hand we strolled down lover's lane-- She was oh, so far from a cake of ice, Our smoochin' party was a-goin nice, So help me Hannah, I think I'd a been there yet-- But I give her a kiss and a little squeeze And she said "Tex excuse me please, I've just got to have another cigarette." Copyright American Music Inc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: maggiethecat Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:23 AM So just for future reference, do all the BS threads dwindle down to name calling? And if so, or if the majority do, anyone ever figured out why? -maggie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: Grateful Ted Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:17 AM I'm just off for a fag, save the200th post for me wont you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 25 Aug 04 - 11:13 AM I suspect that that kind of heavy-handed stuff is a signifcant factor in encouraging some smokers to stick with the habit. It is for me, and very much so McGrath. When I can completely detach myself (emotionally) from other people's harsh judgments and controlling preachy obnoxious manner, I know I'll be a lot better off. Because when I'm free of my defensiveness and anger, I'll be able to ACT, not just react. I've been working on this. I think I almost have it licked. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:55 AM Hey Butts, believe it or not I taste GREAT! (Or so I've been told quite a number of times by those few people fortunate enough to have earned the privilege of eating me). So I guess it's your loss, buddy. (Not that I'd let you anywhere near me in the first place). How about sucking on a lemon instead? Eating a rusty old spike for breakfast? Sitting naked in a patch of poison ivy? Might improve your mood - or at least give you something that is worth complaining about. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,Mr. Butts Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:47 AM No Daylia, I won't bite you. I hate the taste of stinky ashtrays. Talk about bullying McGrath, you're the guy who only has one thing to say, but has to say it twice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker? From: GUEST,*daylia* Date: 25 Aug 04 - 10:46 AM Alonzo, I found the song juvenile, boring, and sorely lacking in both musical creativity and intellectual wit. Sorry, but a 3-chord song with a nursery-school melody, marching band rhythm and pedantic offensive lyrics intended only to ridicule people while capitalizing BIG on the latest pc propoganda? That kind of music does absolutely nothing for me. daylia |
