BS: UFOs do not exist!

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 11:12 AM

Simple Amos, in order to define something you have to exist
It is impossible to assign a probability to an event occurring more than once if you do not know the probability of it happening once, and we don't
If they've mastered space warping where are they?
Citing not sighting is a collective mistake of my dyslexia and the spell checker lack of incite.

TTFN
PP

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 10:40 AM

" Now is that simple or what!!!".......no...simplistic. And Nigel Parsons already said it back up there^. *grin*

I trust that in this universe, there are other places where life exists. Probability and all that, as Amos notes. I just don't accept that they are zipping around our skies and kidnapping our neighbors for experiments.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 10:09 AM

By definition UFOs do exist .They are flying objects that have not been identified.! Now is that simple or what!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 10:00 AM

By definition any Universe must contain at least one intelligent species and we cannot tell whether we are alone or not, until some evidence is found.


PP, why does this come from any known definition of a universe?

Citing -- not sighting -- the number of known clusters, galaxies, stars and such is an exercise in analyzing probability, not faith. Viva la difference.

Given that we hope to travel to distant galaxies ourselves some day, mastering the intricacies of space-warping, why would it be ridiculous to speculate that some other species might have gotten there first? Hell hasn't frozen over yet as far as I know...

A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 09:33 AM

Here Foolestroupe this should help.
We do not know if there is any other intelligent life in the Universe. Of cause it is not impossible, but we have no way of knowing how likely or unlikely life is.
By definition any Universe must contain at least one intelligent species and we cannot tell whether we are alone or not, until some evidence is found.
Sighting the vast size of the universe as proof is an action of faith not evidence.
If the evolution of intelligent life were ubiquitous then we would expect there to be evidence flooding in to are telescopes, there isn't.
Therefore intelligent life must be much rarer and farther away than commonly believed.
The idea that Organisms from distant stars let alone another Galaxy could travel to Earth in spacecrafts is ridicules.

TTFN
PP

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 04:11 AM

Hey, if it does, PLEASE ask about Shatner...just to be sure?..x..e

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:44 PM

Yeah, me too! LOL! It would be exciting all right.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:41 PM

Rapaire:

I hope a whole wedge of them comes down and lifts you right up outta your yard.

A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:16 PM

Well, I'll grant you that the media, print or electronic or whatever, has an attention span just a little bit shy of the half-life of plutonium, yeah. 8-)

I also suspect that most (not all!) journalists wouldn't know what questions to ask OR how to report it if a UFO (or a lot of other things) fell at their feet. What isn't understood is too often shoved off into the little mental corner called "if I don't think about it it didn't happen".

As I said, I'm not denying their existence. I'd just like to see physical proof, like TIA said. Either in the flesh (so to speak) or by solid, irrefutable evidence. God(dess), but that would be exciting!

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:35 PM

That's right Rap, but coverups ARE needed if the evidence IS accessible. And I have plenty of reason to believe that it has been blatantly available now on a great many occasions. UFO sightings that are too big and obvious to suppress or ignore will often get local press for a couple of days where they happen. Then you don't hear a peep about it afterward. I wonder why....

And people forget. They start worrying about Iraq, Michael Jackson, or who's going to win the Superbowl...which is the kind of stuff that Big Brother wants them to think about.

My mother saw what certainly appeared to be alien vehicles over the west end of Toronto one day in the late 40's. So did many of her neighbours and hundreds of other people (if not thousands). It was in the Toronto papers for a day or two. And after that? It was forgotten by the media. Soon it was forgotten by most other people as well.

My mother is a person who essentially has very little interest in UFO's by the way, and she seldom thinks about them or discusses them. What she is interested in is world politics. So this was not a case of someone seeing what they were preconditioned to see...it was a case of someone seeing something highly unusual.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:33 PM

The "batteries" were found in Bagdad (do a google on "bagdad battery" and you'll get a ton of hits, especially if you spell it correctly which I don't).

The vast, vast, vast majority of scientists do not work for the governement or other "superiors" who can silence them. Scientists in academia generally enjoy (at least for now) the freedom to publish findings without fear of recrimination. I would LOVE to see reliable physical evidence. Anecdotal sightings are not physical evidence, nor are radar blips. How about a fiber that matches nothing known on earth. How about an artifact of any kind. Until there is anything of this sort, I am still eagerly waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 09:08 PM

I know it's not an UFO, but I always wondered how to find out more info about those alleged "batteries" found in the Egyptian tombs...

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 09:08 PM

I will not deny that evidence, hard physical evidence, might exist. It's just that I, personally, haven't seen it.

With 75% of this planet covered by water the evidence could well be at the bottom of an ocean. If it hit a mountainside it could be buried under tons of rock. Wreckage that is seen might not be recognized for what it is -- can you tell the difference between the wreckage of a twisted, burned out 1930s well-drilling rig and a wrecked jet engine? At first glance? From several hundred feet in the air or going, perhaps, 50 mph along the ground?

Government coverups aren't needed if the evidence isn't accessible or recognized in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 07:23 PM

Regarding the physical evidence...there may be a great deal of it. That doesn't mean that the general public is necessarily going to hear about it. And if a scientist were to be convinced by said physical evidence...or by direct experience (a sighting...a viewin on radar, etc...) that doesn't mean that he is going to tell people about it either...if he has been expressly ordered not to by his superiors.

There is a great deal going on in this world, the physical evidence of which does not get revealed to the general public...and NOT just with regard to UFO's.

Therefore, why would anyone assume that merely because they have not seen physical evidence there must necessarily BE none? There may well be plenty.

Do you really think Big Brother shares all his info with you and me?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 07:11 PM

UFO, WMD, LOL - I get confused with all these acronyms.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Damon
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 06:48 PM

This is different. It was only found 3 weeks ago.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 05:12 PM

If the being poured out the liquid and ate the Budweiser bottle it would prove it was intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 03:55 PM

"For one thing, what if their music is in frequency bands down around 10 cycles per hour? And all their folk songs are at least a day long?"

Then all my recorded songs will sound like Alvin the Chipmunk to them.

Seriously, if they know we're here, they have to have senses that operate in at least some of our frequencies. Heck, rocks might be intelligent, but we'll never know because their time scale is so much greater than ours. Likewise with any critters we meet from "out there."

(Didja hear about the giant intelligent statue that was found on a planet around a distant star? All instruments recording both life and intelligence, but no one could figure out how to check either as the statue -- which was made of rock -- didn't respond to any stimuli. Finally, in exasperation, a scientist standing in front of the statue exclaimed, "WHY would the Almighty Intelligence that conceived the Universe create an intelligent, living creature such as this and then have it respond to no stimuli at all?"

No one had ever ask a question near the statue before, and it stood, drawing itself up to its full magnificent height, paused, and in a deep voice said, "It wouldn't." And sat down again.

The scientist slapped his forehead and shouted, "OF COURSE! OF COURSE! It only stands to reason!")

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 03:39 PM

The linguistic barriers are the least of your worries, mate. For one thing, what if their music is in frequency bands down around 10 cycles per hour? And all their folk songs are at least a day long? Or, conversely, if their audio range is geared up to around the frequency of light in EMF, where we wouldn't be able to hear a damn thing, and their brains are fast enough to appreciate aresthetic variations only milliseconds in duration? As for beer, I hate to think what might happen if you give an ET a Budweiser. He might want to pour out the liquid and eat the bottle!! "Mmmmm!! Silicon-based protein!!"


A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 03:08 PM

Oh, yeah, that famous Martian face.   Seems like the Christian fundamentalists at NASA bombed it.


For a whole passle of years, pert near as long as I've been able to think about it, I've believed that there are other intelligent beings Out There. Statistically I think that it approaches certainty. But whether or not they've actually come a-visitin' is another story.

I'd say that there's a 50% chance that they have.

I'd like to meet them if they come around again, sit down and chat, have a beer with them, maybe play or listen to a little music. Good way to get to know people, and the mathematics of music should transcend linguistic barriers.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 02:42 PM

Amos:

Shatner is beyond words. Just ask Little Hawk.

Brucie

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Damon
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 02:16 PM

http://www.alienobserver.com/

Try this site for 'evidence'. Check out the face mask on Mars...weird!!

damon

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 01:15 PM

Ellenpoly:

Shatner is a lower form of life. WHen he dioes his body is going to be donated toi science so they can study his brain to determine if it reveals the boundary conditions between simian and sapiens.

A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 12:25 PM

The whole book? How impressive.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 12:03 PM

Personally, I've always thought it the height of hubris to think we're the only "intellingent" life forms in a galaxy too big to even count the stars within it.

I read a wonderful book "Childhood's End" by Arthur Clark, which I heartily recommend to one and all. I don't want to spoil the story for those who take my recommendation, but I will say that there was good reason why the aliens in the book didn't show themselves for a long time to the locals...and you'll understand when you read this.

I also have a few theories about why people seem often so quick to dismiss the possiblity of UFOs. I've talked with the daughter of a man who worked on the Blue Book project for many years until it was disbanded. From what she said, the reason for abandoning the project had to do with too MUCH information rather than too little. I think it scared the bejiggers out of a lot of people who could only see the "threat" over the possibilites of what was going on around us.

But this is, as Amos said, a hot topic much like religion and politics. People build their faith on certain structures that feel safe and comfortable to them. What could be more of a loose cannon than something, or someone we may not be able to see, or may not want to communicate with us until they think WE'RE civilized enough??

That they may well have helped themselves to a few specimens to examine doesn't particuarly bother me, in the light of our own research with "inferior" species. It's all pretty relative really. Being a lab rat for some aliens may just be the kind of lesson in humility Little Hawk might promote! I'd think of volunteering, if for no other reason, to ask them if William Shatner is one of ours or one of theirs..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:56 AM

I have to endorse the scientific approach. I'm perfectly willing to adjust my scepticism if anyone ever produces evidence. Scientific evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:51 AM

I too have had one closeup experience with an unexplained sighting. I don't necessarily make the jump to believing these craft are extra-terrestrial. There are so many things on this earth that we don't know or understand that I'm prepared to consider the idea that this is another of them.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:28 AM

Kaleea--I think Buzz Aldrin may have been the UFO astronaut...*grin*...he sure was ...ummm...'confident' about it.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:27 AM

The notion of UFO's doesn't necessarily rattle the cage of a scientist. Imagine the fame and glory that would come to the first scientist to offer actual physical proof of extraterrestrial life (let alone visitation of us by it). While there certainly are professional scoffers, a true scientist would require physical evidence that UFOs have actually visited Earth. Think about forensics for a moment - it is virtually impossible to enter a room spend any amount of time there, and exit without leaving some physical evidence - a hair, a fiber, a fingerprint.... Although extraterrestrials have been "reported", "viewed", even reportedly interacted with, the physical evidence is still lacking. Believe me I'd love to see it. I am convinced we are not alone in the universe. I hope that I live to see the physical proof of life beyond earth. But, we sure don't have it yet.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 11:05 AM

Bruce - Ah, now that is a worthy question! Actually, everything we know about exists...on some level, but not necessarily on a physical level. The moment you know about something it exists...on your own mental level...as a form of active energy called "thought". And thoughts have power.

In the case of UFO's, though, they do appear to exist on a physical level, despite the eagerness of skeptics to discount other people's experiences out of hand.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:54 AM

If they don't exist, then why do we know about them?

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:53 AM

The American HEritage offers:

TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: buf·fa·loed, buf·fa·lo·ing, buf·fa·loes
1. To intimidate, as by a display of confidence or authority: "The board couldn't buffalo the federal courts as it had the Comptroller" (American Banker). 2. To deceive; hoodwink: "Too often . . . job seekers have buffaloed lenders as to their competency and training" (H. Jane Lehman). 3. To confuse; bewilder.

ETYMOLOGY: Italian bufalo or Portuguese or Spanish búfalo, from Late Latin bfalus, from Latin bbalus, antelope, buffalo, from Greek boubalos, perhaps from bous, cow. See gwou- in Appendix I.
WORD HISTORY: The buffalo is so closely associated with the Wild West that one might assume that its name comes from a Native American word, as is the case with the words moose and skunk. In fact, however, buffalo can probably be traced back by way of one or more of the Romance languages through Late and Classical Latin and ultimately to the Greek word boubalos, meaning "an antelope or a buffalo." The buffalo referred to by the Greek and Latin words was of course not the American one but an Old World mammal, such as the water buffalo of southern Asia. Applied to the North American mammal, buffalo is a misnomer, bison being the preferred term. As far as everyday usage is concerned, however, buffalo, first recorded for the American mammal in 1635, is older than bison, first recorded in 1774.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:48 AM

"Buffaloed"? It's a good expression. It may have derived from the way that bison themselves became very confused when shot from a distance by long range guns. They were "buffaloed", and tended to stand around in confusion, not sure which way to proceed. This allowed buffalo hunters to shoot hundreds of them down in a liesurely fashion...for money. It was typical of this idiotic profit-driven civilization we live in. I think it's the people here who are the "weirdos", rushing around on their jetskis and snowmobiles in a useless fashion and ruining the tranquility of nature.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:41 AM

LH has the rights of it, Bobert. People will do a LOT to defend the perimeter of their reality, and one of the first things they will do is cast aspersions at foreign ideas -- especially ones which rattle the cage. Nothing rattles the cage more than the notion of visitations from other planets by weirdoes in high speed vehicles. It rattles the whole spectrum -- church, military, academic, scientist -- to the toes.

That's what raises all them eyebrows.

As far as the data itself, though, I honestly don't know what to make of it. Streiber, for example, raises points that look absolutely untenable AND absolutely unassailable in ways as well. Leaves me scratching my head and feeling like free dummy.

"Buffaloed" means sort of stalled, confused, uncertain which way to proceed. Not sure where it comes from but I have known it since a child.

A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 10:02 AM

I've met so many reliable people at this point who HAVE seen such unidentified craft, including professional airline pilots and military people...that I regard those who categorically deny something they don't themselves have any direct experience with to be as silly as people who DO believe that they were talking to Elvis and his little green friends at Walmart on the weekend.

There are, of course, no such people. But professional scoffers love trotting out such inane fictional examples of superstition in order to ridicule others over UFO's when the subject comes up. That they do so is arrogant in the extreme.

It's as arrogant as Christian missionaries coming to the Americas in the 1500's to "save" (or burn) the poor "heathens"...who also knew about some things that the Christians didn't know about or give any credence to.

- Little Hawk

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Kaleea
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 01:37 AM

Oh, uh huh, DUH! UFO's Do exhist, cuz Elvis dun tol' me last weekend when he & his little green friends were visiting me. Geez!
But seriously, folks. Speaking of astronauts,
Ebbie----
   a few years back I saw an astronaut on TV who had put together a book of the experiences of himself & other astronauts & cosmonauts re UFO sightings. Anyone ever read the book? Anyone recall the title of it? I never got around to finding it, but would sure like to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 01:04 AM

Bobert - You get a room full of raised eyebrows because people are comfortable in their usual opinionated little rut and they don't want to be disturbed. They are also eager to show you that they are smarter and more in the know than you are...a common character flaw of almost all homo sapiens, including me, is this desire to show others that one is smarter and more in the know... :-)

Yes, I have also seen some unusual stuff.

Humility is a very tough challenge. To give serious consideration to something you have never given serious consideration to before...and actually LISTEN to someone else with respect while they tell their unusual story...demands humility.

Anyone got any? I'm working on it by degrees myself.

Humility is not weakness. Quite the contrary. It is only found in people with great inner strength. I've met a handful of such people in my life...probably less than five at this point. Most people are so busy defending their precious little ego and winning precious little victories with it that they wouldn't dream of daring the challenges of humility. Just watch 'em.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:43 PM

Well, Amos, then if there ain't no substantial group o' folks who don't know that these UFO's exist then why it it that when you say you saw one then you get a room full o' raised eyebrows? I've told my story, which it ain't, and get the same reaction every time. 'Bout 20 years ago I just figured that I couldn't tell the "event sighting" any more becuase folks immedidiately start talkin' 'bout the medications that I might have come in contact with...

Now, I find that condescending...

Okay, unlike Marion Berry, I has done some drugs, this ain't got nuthin' to do with that any more than my past drug use has with a possibility that I have just created the Madcat community in my mind and that it doesn't exist... Which, of course, it prolly does... I think.....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:33 PM

'buffaloed' ... new verb to me ... I like it ... what does it mean?

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:18 PM

Bobert:

Nah, I believe you just as you is, pal. There are folks who investigate and tabulate these things, and if you want to contact them, I think Whitley Streiber knows where to get in touch with them. I have no explanations and am buffaloed by the apparent mismatch of -phenomena on this subject.

A

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:12 PM

Okay, Rap, I wasn't gtonna tell you this but now if you promise to keep it a secret then I will...

... but the girl, Lisa (no last name fir obvious reasons) father was an uppity up in the CIA and so like she told him about what we'd seen and like a couple days after it she wouldn't so much as even talk wid me, let on tell me nuthin'. Since then, I'z decided that maybe them UFO's ain't from some far away planet but maybe somethin' that our own government is into.

I donno... All I know, is that I saw the danged thing so close that the following day I drew a piccure of it and before Lisa hooked up with her CIA dad, she said it was exactly what she remembered as well...

Now Clinton says that if the ol' Bobert were to be strapped up to a poloygraph that wouldn't prove nuthin' an' it prolly wouldn't but Iz withdrawin' my withdrawl none the less. Same with the hypnosis stuff.

There is UFO's and I know it...

...and if any Catter wants to put up the $$$ fir the poligraph and hypnosis, I'm game...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 09:55 PM

Bobert, I ain't denying you saw what you saw. And long about the time you were seeing it, I was fixin' to get married in Silver Spring (1973, actually). I don't think the two are connected, though.

And if it was 1972, my brother was stationed at NSA at Ft. Meade instead of at Ft. Myer, where he tossed the Ripple.

I still betcha the CIA was involved, though.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 09:41 PM

Come on, Rap... Iz been around... I know a bottle of Ripple from a UFO...

Hey, I din't say that the UFO contained green folks... Heck, maybe George Bush, Sr. was driving the flying saucer? Ain't fir me to tell who was drivin' since 1/4 miles is a tad bit far to distinguish between Pappa Bush and a green man... All Iz sayin' is what I saw!

And, BTW, I wish I hadn't. It's much easier being on the "Yeah, sure you did..." side of the equation....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:53 PM

Bobert, if it was near Langley you can bet the CIA was involved somehow.

My brother once tossed an entire case of Ripple into the Potomac from the bank nearest the Pentagon. Maybe what you saw was the Ghost Of Ripple?

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:50 PM

You win, Clinton.

I withdraw the offer but, hey...

...UFO'S EXIST...

Wanta bet???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:21 PM

Polygraph?? Hypnosis? To PROVE something???

That's funnier than the Euphemism thread!

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:17 PM

UFO's DO EXIST!!!!

I saw one. It was in 1972 and I was with a girl by the name of.... nevermind... and we were parkin' (don't ask...) about 1/4 miles form the Potomac River between Great Falls and Lagley, Va and saw a flying saucer. No it weren't danged swaqmp gas. It was a flying saucer. We saw it clearly for at least 15 seconds before tree's blocked our vision. After a few "Wow's" and "Far out's" we left it alone until the floowing day and then compatred notes and each made a drawing of what we remembered seeing and we...

...saw a UFO...

And I'm willing to be strapped to a poligraph of go unner hypnosis at any doubter's expense to prove it''''
\
UFO'S DO EXIST!!!!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 07:46 PM

As stated earlier. UFOs exist. If you see a flying object which you cannot identify, be it a weather balloon or a secret test verion of a stealth craft, then it is, to you, a UFO.

Of course, if a spaceship does/will/has appeared in our sky, then that is what is normally accepted as a UFO.

However, in the past, (Such as in the film/radio-prog/book "The War of the Worlds") Mars was seen to emit green beams, the trails of spaceships, which landed on Earth, containing Martians. These, by very definition, are NOT UFOs. They have been identified.

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 07:06 PM

From the looks of it, I think he should look into a good bunch of mash and a solid copper worm.

Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 06:18 PM

No, I mean Pied Piper bores me. He figures he already knows everything worth knowing about. He is to conventionality what Britney is to fluff.

I think Hiram's efforts to build a flying saucer are really cute. I hope he succeeds in getting airborne at some point. He should look into helium balloons or something.

- LH