BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:12 AM

Don, you said "a short time ago"
I am entitled to get snotty if you expect me to read your mind, and then get all sarcastic because I went by what you actually typed!
Knob.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM

""The Bloody Sunday thread was a few days ago, my debates with Divis and Ard were years ago, so don't get all sarcastic about which thread you meant!""

If I had meant just one thread I would have named it. I did not mention "Bloody Sunday", so don't get snotty because you make unwarranted assumptions based on insufficient, or no, evidence, or maybe because those assumptions would bolster your arguments better than the truth.

Tune up your mind reading ability, because it isn't working.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 02:53 PM

"Jim, it is debated by experts on international law."
Whose experts on international law and to what conclusion?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:09 AM

Jim, it is debated by experts on international law.
Proof of legality???

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 09:47 AM

"I have said that the legality is being debated."
Only by an Israeli minister who has offered no proof.
But let's see what their 'impartial' enquiry comes up with.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:27 AM

The UN Security Council statement of 31 May said that there must be an "impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards." into the attack and deaths on board the aid flotilla

Should any Israeli-run inquiry have any credibility outside of Israel?


"it is no wonder that the world does not trust Israeli investigations"

Comment by the lawyer acting on behalf of American peace activist Tristan Anderson, shot in the head with a tear-gas canister on 13 March 2009 while taking photos following a demonstration against the apartheid wall in the West Bank village of Ni'lin.

While the findings of the Israeli investigation, found a "lack of wrongdoing" by Israeli border forces Tristan's family have filed an appeal based on an independent investigation.

'The appeal, which pointed out grave flaws and negligence in the original investigation, was based on an independent investigation, held parallel to the one the police conducted.

It shows clearly that the police decided to close the case despite the fact that the investigating team had never visited the scene of the shooting, and as a result questioned officers who had nothing to do with Anderson's shooting and, in fact, could have had nothing to do with the shooting, as there was no direct line of fire between where they were positioned and were Anderson was shot.

A second Border Police crew, which was located in the area where Anderson was shot from according to all civilian eye witnesses, was never questioned at all.
The force's commanders, who carry responsibility for the shooting were also not held accountable.

Nancy Anderson, Tristan's mother: "We expect someone to finally take responsibility for our son's shooting.
It is unimaginable to us that soldiers will shoot unarmed civilians whose sole crime was to demonstrate, and that no one will be held accountable. The re-launching of the investigation, so we hope, is a much needed first step towards justice for us and for our son." '

- Joseph Dana, American-Israeli freelance journalist

Compiling civilian eyewitness testimony and reports from the Palestinian Red Crescent, the independent investigation determined that accounts presented by the Israeli investigation were impossible.
Contrary to Israel's claim, Tristan was not shot "during clashes" with the soldiers and was not in a closed military zone either

nihil novi!

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:43 AM

American Jews for a Just Peace is

'proud to announce that we will serve as the U.S. Coordinator for the "Jewish Boat to Gaza."

The boat, sponsored by a coalition of international Jewish organizations dedicated to peace with justice in Israel/Palestine, is scheduled to sail from an undisclosed location in the Mediterranean this July.
It will head toward Gaza in an effort to break the siege imposed by Israel in 2006.
Passengers will include Jews from Germany, the U.K., and the United States, including at least one survivor of the Nazi Holocaust.

The moral imperative to end the siege of Gaza is absolute. When governments fail to act, ordinary people must organize to intervene. As ordinary people of conscience, we are determined to act on behalf of the people in Gaza deprived of their right to ordinary lives.'

AJJP

Meanwhile - a change of tactic?

I posted about the Miriam on 28 Jun 10 - 06:15 AM

"the all-female Lebanese ship which plansed to set sail for Gaza on a humanitarian mission carrying about 30 Lebanese and 20 foreigners, including several European nationals Muslim, Christian and secular
It was reported that the ship will carry four nuns from the U.S., cancer medication and other humanitarian aid."

I can't read Hebrew but an advert is said to have appeared in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot, seeking
"Women with great physical strength and motivations" who are needed on a volunteer basis to attack and evacuate women from the Lebanese aid ship.
It also has a voice mail number for the volunteers to call and enlist.
Israeli Organization Places Ad for Volunteers To Attack Solidarity Ships

Perhaps someone can confirm or refute this?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 04:06 AM

This is a distasteful subject Mousethief, but the multiple wounds of the dead argues against indiscriminate shooting.

A 9mm round often does not stop someone. British soldiers and no doubt others are trained to fire multiples.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: mousethief
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 02:12 AM

That many? and that many holes in each? You're stretching it.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 01:26 AM

It is not, but it could be an act of defending someone else in the melee.
Remember the very close range of many of the shots?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: mousethief
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:12 PM

You still haven't answered how shooting somebody in the back is an act of self-defense.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:44 PM

Jim, you have accused that, "On this thread you have defended an act of outright piracy ..."

No I have not.
I have said that the legality is being debated.
(Piracy is the wrong term anyway. A state can not be accused of piracy.)

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:09 PM

Sorry, that last for Jim.

Don, you posted about my comments on NI "a short time ago."

The Bloody Sunday thread was a few days ago, my debates with Divis and Ard were years ago, so don't get all sarcastic about which thread you meant!
In those years old threads I argued AGAINST the fascist bully boys of the IRA who wanted to deprive the people of the North of their human and civil rights to choose their own government, and to impose on them by force a regime for which they have refused to vote.

So no change there then.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:03 PM

Don, I have replied on the Bloody Sunday thread, since it is about Bloody Sunday.
thread.cfm?threadid=130131&messages=140&page=1&desc=yes#2936147

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 07:14 AM

I confess that, irritated beyond tolerance that a thread can be effectively sabotaged by continual nit picking, I drew attention to the tedious and diversionary similarities between the interminable cul de sac (or should that be roundabout? ) of posts on this thread and the Saville Enquiry thread

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B - PM
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:46 AM

Now as I concluded in that post (my last on this thread until today for that reason)

"Please may we move on there are important issues and it is gratifying to see that at least one outcome of this attack is the international attention and disapprobation* that has pressurized Israel to allow more humanitarian aid through to the beseiged beleaguered Gazan population"

{* yeah ok it WAS a typo!}

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has taken note of the internal inquiry set up by Israel on the flotilla incident, but said that such an investigation would lack "international credibility". "My position is that there should be international credibility of their investigation"

Meanwhile, it is reported that
"Key supporters of the Israeli-right in the United States are now demanding with full force, Turkey's phased exit from the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)."
- Business Magazine

The pro Israeli influential Washington based, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) group adds that the U.S. should now "seriously consider suspending military cooperation with Turkey as a prelude to removing it from the organisation".

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:20 AM

""Don, you brought up the Bloody Sunday thread in the context of me supporting bullies.""

DID I? That's news to me, pal.

Kindly point to my mention of Bloody Sunday, or the thread of that name.

NO? Of course not, because I never mentioned either.

I was referring to your well documented spats with Irish Catters Ard and Sweeney, among others when you demonstrated the same skewed disrespect for their views.

WELL DOCUMENTED on several threads.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:15 AM

""There are deaths, so Israel must have committed an atrocity.
They had wounds to their backs, so must have been running away.""

Let's see if your logic is up to the task of handling a simple concept.

Hypothetically:- I have a hand gun. There are a number of people who are threatening to hit me on the head (well actually, the bullet resistant helmet) with iron bars.

I have choices.

1. I fire in the air, which in most cases would clear my opponents without bloodshed.

2. I fire at the nearest and most dangerous opponent, killing or injuring him, and the rest head for the hills.


What I do NOT do, is to continue shooting those fleeing opponents up to four times in the back.

1. It simply isn't necessary.
2. It simply IS murder.

Now, perhaps you with your vastly superior knowledge can explain to me in what other circumstances, most of the dead could have bullet entry holes in their backs?

And please don't suggest that anybody can mount a serious attack with his back to the intented victim.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:15 AM

Is there any news of 'Miriam' the all-female Lebanese ship which plansed to set sail for Gaza on a humanitarian mission carrying about 30 Lebanese and 20 foreigners, including several European nationals Muslim, Christian and secular?

It was reported that the ship will carry four nuns from the U.S., cancer medication and other humanitarian aid.

Israel's UN ambassador has repeated that -
"Israel reserves its right under international law to use all necessary means to prevent these ships from violating the existing naval blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip'

Israel Radio reported that Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned the Lebanese government that it would be held responsible for ships sailing from Lebanon to the Gaza Strip - so watch out Dublin! (the port of origin of the MV Rachel Corrie)

The Lebanese Shiite movement Hezbollah said that it would not take part in Gaza-bound aid missions so as not to give a pretext for Israel to attack Lebanon.


Although, in response to international outrage following the deadly commando raid on a flotilla of ships carrying aid to Gaza, Israel has relaxed its strict land blockade of Gaza allowing more food and some restricted construction materials to enter the strip there is no relaxation of the ban stopping Gazans from leaving what is effectively an open-air prison.

The commissioner-general of the U.N. refugee agency, Filipo Grandi says the Gaza Strip crisis is more than just a humanitarian situation and that people in Gaza need to import and export goods in order to boost the economy and to give the citizenry there a "normal life."

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:38 AM

For the record - on the Bloody Sunday thread you have consistently excused and attempted to divert the blame from a government whose soldiers shot down innocent and unarmed civilian demonstraters, choosing to blame the men in the ranks (not the officers) rather than those who sent them in, possibly encouraged them, and certaily covered up for them for nearly four decades.
On this thread you have defended an act of outright piracy which ended in the killing of some of the passengers of the vessel they boarded. You have refused to acknowledge that the people responsible for this have usurped territory, destroyed homes, ghettoised occupants, used heavy weapons (including phosphorus bombs) on a civilian population in order to occupy the land that have taken over.
Please stand away from that mirror when you fling your 'facist' epithets about.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:04 AM

"I argued AGAINST the fascist bully boy"
I do hope you're not talking about me - I think you've done your share of "fascist" mud-slinging on one thread to allow it to spill over into this one.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 03:08 AM

Don, you brought up the Bloody Sunday thread in the context of me supporting bullies.

Can I remind you that in that thread I argued AGAINST the fascist bully boy who wanted to deprive the people of the North of their human and civil rights to choose their own government, and to impose on them by force a regime for which they have refused to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:03 AM

I have not discussed "Middle East Politics" at all!
You made that up.
Why?
"One sided attidudes" is not something you can accuse me of.
I have treated the claims of both sides with scepticism and considered how they stand up to objective scrutiny of the evidence.
You and others have shown a healthy scepticism of Israeli claims, but swallowed without question all those of the anti israel lobby like naive and gullible children.
All those things I listed to Crow Sister were accepted by people here, and we now know they were false.

And you Don.
There are deaths, so Israel must have committed an atrocity.
They had wounds to their backs, so must have been running away.

You do not need "specialised knowledge of military history" to know that is nonsense.
Just a moment's consideration of the circumstances without prejudice.

Israel may well be lying about the VHF exchange, but they have come up with a plausible story consistent with the evidence we have so far.
There is nothing curious about their explanation is there?
Tell us how you just know it is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 07:38 PM

""Not that curious really.""

I've noticed that about you Keith.

Nothing is ever curious, which tends to agree with your current spin on the facts. On the other hand, anything which disagrees with your argument is very curious, and must be subjected to analysis on the basis of your highly specialised knowledge of everything from Military History to Middle East Politics.

And it is odd how, in your estimation, all Israeli government action is not to be queried or criticised.

Have you got shares in Israel?

I recall you had very similar one sided attitudes to the Northern Ireland situation, a short time ago.

You seem to enjoy backing bullies, and kicking their victims.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 01:45 AM

They say they assumed it was them because that is who they were calling.
They now accept that as an unreasonable assumption.
Not that curious really.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:56 PM

"They are no longer claiming it came from M.Marmara.
Anyone on the convoy, or in the IDF force, or anyone within range with access to a VHF set could have made those comments."

I see, are you saying that the IDF claimed it came from the M.Marmara without actually knowing where it came from?

Curiouser and curiouser!

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:52 PM

As I understand it, IDF is not saying that they hoaxed the video of the radio exchange, and they have since posted the full unedited video with those comments still in it.
They are no longer claiming it came from M.Marmara.
Anyone on the convoy, or in the IDF force, or anyone within range with access to a VHF set could have made those comments.

Who knows?
You, Crow Sister?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:46 PM

"Does that revelation change your attitude about anything?"

What it tells me is that there needs to be an impartial independent international investigation - where no proven liars of any supposed 'side' run the show.

I'd say that about any equivalent incident in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:44 PM

That was an aside by the way, and not really pertinent to the overall question. I kept my (typing) mouth shut over the 'blood v's paint' debate as I had no way of knowing what the case was. However if a government body is to be trusted with an investigation it's best that they don't fake evidence. The fact that everyone knows they faked evidence, means they can't be trusted to undertake an impartial internal investigation. Any conclusions they come to will be tainted by the fact that the whole world KNOWS that they are bare-faced liars!

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:38 PM

It has all been in this thread Crow Sister.
Is it OK to lie for political gain as long as you are not employed by a goverment?

The nurses on board claimed to have dealt with many more than 9 bodies.
Eye witnesses reported seeing bodies and wounded people disposed of into the sea.
None of it was true.
Does that revelation change your attitude about anything?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:35 PM

"Trust neither side to be honest."

I can understand the idea of caution in respect of anything presented as 'fact' by anyone that one cannot get some degree of outside verification for. It's hard (near impossible) in these online arguments to be certain of the case in any situation. But I wouldn't compare a group of varied international activists to an official government organisation as 'like for like' as you appear to, when speaking of 'sides'.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:28 PM

"How did you react when a video claimed to show the murder of Furkan Dogan turned out to show no murder at all?
Or when you saw that Iara Lee's video was at one time being shown with 15 seconds edited out because Gorfeng appeared saying no live ammunition fired before landing?"

I didn't see those. Was any government body involved in their creation?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 04:14 PM

How did you react when a video claimed to show the murder of Furkan Dogan turned out to show no murder at all?
Or when you saw that Iara Lee's video was at one time being shown with 15 seconds edited out because Gorfeng appeared saying no live ammunition fired before landing?

Trust neither side to be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 02:04 PM

I must say after viewing the Israeli govt's faked video where they dub in some actor saying:

"Shaddap! Go back to Auschvitz!"

any possible credibility they might have had regards an upfront internal investigation, was instantly shot to pieces in my eyes.

...that and any accusations of "anti-Semitism" directed at those critical of Israeli policies.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 12:59 PM

"Are you saying that Bobad or I have done that?"
This thread has been remarkably free of anti-Semitism, which may be down
to the vigilance of the site administrators, for which I am thankful.
Yet throughout there has been the suggestion anti-Semitism towards those of us who have criticised the behaviour of Israel.
I have not noticed the accusation from you Keith, but perhaps Bobad might care to explain "Your constant evoking of Nazi analogies says much about you."
That is why I thought it acceptable so write what I did.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 12:56 PM

"There is a comparison between the behaviour of the Israelis and the Nazis...."

This statement is preposterous and offensive to the extreme!!!

At what point do we have to agree that it's actually not preposterous? What more do the Israelis have to do? Or are you saying it is always preposterous a priori? If so, why? Once again you appear to be giving the Israelis carte blanche because of wrongs suffered by Jews in the Shoa. That does not honour truth, nor the victims of the Shoa.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 12:49 PM

Are you saying that Bobad or I have done that?
If not, please say so, and then explain why you thought it acceptable to make that post.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 11:20 AM

"This statement is preposterous and offensive to the extreme!!!"
I wonder if it as offensive as somebody using the dead of the Holocaust to defend the behaviour of the Israelis - I doubt it somehow!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:56 AM

"There is a comparison between the behaviour of the Israelis and the Nazis...."

This statement is preposterous and offensive to the extreme!!!

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 10:47 AM

We could argue that a country can not investigate its own armed forces.
No other country would agree to that for itself.
Special rules for countries you do not approve of?

You and Don and Lox and Carol have decided that an atrocity must have occurred in the face of compelling evidence that it has not,
because Israel always and only commits atrocities.
Never mind that all other boardings have been carried out without loss off life.
That is blind prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:51 AM

There is a comparison between the behaviour of the Israelis and the Nazis and your defence of that behaviour says much about you.
And by the way Keith - the Bloody Sunday reports (both of them) were carried out by the culprit nation - remind me again how long it took to arrive at an honest one!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM

Your constant evoking of Nazi analogies says much about you.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 08:28 AM

"It is normal for countries to carry out their own investigations."
With Israel's track record of committing atrocities and continually finding themselves not guilty it is not acceptible - especially as this last lot were committed in international waters (but that's legal because Israel's foreign ministry have given it the nod).
Perhaps that nice Mr Goebells should have conducted the Nuremberg War Crimes trials!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 06:03 AM

Confirming guest post mine.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 10 - 03:42 AM

"We have no objective evidence of how the deaths occurred."
In which case, why are the Israelis insisting on carrying out their own enquiry AS THE HAVE FOLLOWING EVERY OTHER ATROCITY THEY HAVE COMMITTED - which you continue to ignore? I assume you have no excuse to offer for these.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:12 PM

One last time.

1. Israel's government admitted its real purpose in opposing a blockade.

The purpose given is not a legal reason for said blockade.

Ergo, the blockade is illegal, the boarding of the ships was an act of piracy, perpetrated outside of Israeli territorial limits, and the ensuing deaths were murder sanctioned by the Israeli government.

2. Israel expects that it will be allowed to carry out its own investigation, into the circumstances of its own criminal actions, and Uncle Sam supports it.

3. The people of the Gaza Strip continue to go short of food, building materials, and many other items which have no military value, and the west sits back and watches.

4. Two or three posters on this forum continue to support and approve this new form of slow genocide, whether because they have Israeli, or Jewish connections, or because they simply get a kick out of shit stirring, I do not know.

I do think that they should be damned ashamed to call themselves human beings.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:00 PM

""Don T,

You obviously have not seen the videos as presented by CarolC et al.


Or do you just like to state lies to make yourself feel significant?""

BB, with your posting record, it ill behoves you to comment on the significance of others.

Read the facts again about where the nine dead men took bullets. I don't think there's too much mileage in attacking people with your back towards them, Do You?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 01:45 PM

Don T,

You obviously have not seen the videos as presented by CarolC et al.


Or do you just like to state lies to make yourself feel significant?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM

""Don, you and Jim are childishly simplistic in your assessments.
We have no objective evidence of how the deaths occurred.

We do know that the first soldiers landed with paintball guns in their hands, and holstered pistols.""

YEAH! It must have been really frightening having all those vicious thugs marching rapidly backwards towards them.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 08:53 AM

Circumstances of the deaths, I should have said.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 08:26 AM

We have no objective evidence of how the deaths occurred.

Sure we do! Obviously phaser fire from an alien spacecraft.