BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 05:31 PM

From Amnesty International 18 January 2010

"Israel claims that the ongoing blockade of Gaza, in force since June 2007, is a response to the indiscriminate rocket attacks launched from Gaza into southern Israel by Palestinian armed groups.

The reality is that the blockade does not target armed groups but rather punishes Gaza's entire population by restricting the entry of food, medical supplies, educational equipment and building materials," said Malcolm Smart, Middle East and North Africa Director, Amnesty International.

"The blockade constitutes collective punishment under international law and must be lifted immediately."

As the occupying power, Israel has a duty under international law to ensure the welfare of Gaza's inhabitants, including their rights to health, education, food and adequate housing

During Operation "Cast Lead", from 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009, 13 Israelis were killed, including three civilians in southern Israel, where dozens more were injured in indiscriminate rocket attacks by Palestinian armed groups.

In Gaza, Israeli attacks damaged or destroyed civilian buildings and infrastructure, including hospitals and schools, the water and electricity systems. Thousands of Palestinian homes were destroyed or severely damaged.

An estimated 280 of the 641 schools in Gaza were damaged and 18 were destroyed. More than half of Gaza's population is under the age of 18 and the disruption to their education, due to the damage caused during Operation "Cast Lead" and as a result of the continuing Israeli boycott, is having a devastating impact.

Hospitals have also been badly affected by the military offensive and the blockade.

Trucks of medical aid provided by the World Health Organization have been repeatedly refused entry to Gaza without explanation by Israeli officials.

Patients with serious medical conditions that cannot be treated in Gaza continue to be prevented or delayed from leaving Gaza by the Israeli authorities – since the closure of crossings leading into and out of Gaza, patients have been made to apply for permits, but these permits are frequently denied. On 1 November 2009, Samir al-Nadim, a father of three children, died after his exit from Gaza for a heart operation was delayed by 22 days."

BUT!

THE BLOCKADE IS MORE THAN JUST THE WALL!

Effect on Gaza fishing industry

The sea blockade has caused the "near collapse" of the Gaza fishing industry. Israel allows fishermen to travel only 3 nautical miles off shore, reduced from 6 nm in 2007.

One fisherman who went outside these limits was forced to strip down to his underwear and swim to the naval vessel.
He was blindfolded, handcuffed and taken in for questioning.
B'Tselem has released a report documenting the "continual shooting at, abuse of, and humiliation of" Palestinian fishermen.
The Israeli Navy's response was that it was checking for smuggled weapons. The Navy reports they intercepted the craft entering Gaza from Egypt.
B'Tselem has released a report documenting the "continual shooting at, abuse of, and humiliation of" Palestinian fishermen.

Israel claims to have further reduced the fishing zone to 3 nautical miles, but in fact is attacking Palestinian fishermen and other civilians even on shore

The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has estimated that Gaza fishermen need to journey at least 12-15 nautical miles from shore to catch larger shoals, and sardines in particular are 6 nm offshore.
Shoals closer to shore have been depleted.

The total catch in 1999 was nearly 4,000 tons in pre-blockade 1999. This was reduced to 2,700 tons in 2008.

In the 90s, the Gaza fishing industry was worth $10 million annually or 4% of the total Palestinian economy; this was halved between 2001 and 2006.
45,000 Palestinians were employed in the fishing industry, employed in jobs such as catching fish, repairing nets and selling fish.
Fish also provided much-needed animal protein to Gazans diet.

From New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16513-conflict-leaves-gazas-agriculture-in-ruins.html

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 05:06 PM

The hasbara people are now conducting an intimidation campaign in private messages all over the internet. In Facebook today, a Muslim friend told me she had received a hate message, and I was just now told in a private message that I am a self-hating Jew.

LOL That's a first for me.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:39 PM

Speaking of boycotts...

Swedish harbor workers have declared a blockade on Israeli ships and goods.

I read somewhere that this is happening in other countries as well, but I don't remember which ones.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:30 PM

"Indeed. If we can't get our governments to take a stand, then an international boycott is a good starting point for the rest of us."
A Meeting of trades unionists, politicians, clerics et-al has just called for such a boycott to be put in place in Irealand.
"Since Israel put theirs up to help keep suicide bombers out"
Did they - I was under the impression that they put it up to ghettoise the Palestinians and to lower their standard of life in order to starve them out. The wall conveniently cuts many of the Palastinian farms in half, thus depriving their owners of a livelihood - Emma B said all that has to be said on this red herring. Wall building is a tried and trusted technique last used to some effect by the Nazis in Warsaw. As has been more than adequately pointed out, walls don't keep out determined resistance of any form, see the Berlin Wall and, for that matter, the one around the Warsaw Ghetto.
It will be interesting to find out the truth of the claim coming from one of Israel's strongest allies (up to now) that several of the victims of Israel's act of piracy earlier this week were executed by a single bullet in the back of the head. This can only add to the Irraeli Army's growing reputation as one of the most thuggish in the world.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:59 PM

I was at the concert where Leon Rosselson performed that song on the video - it was a moving moment
The song is on his CD 'Turning Silence into Song'

The real story behind the song

- The Inventory of Conflict and Environment (ICE) intends to provide a common basis and method for looking at issues of conflict and environment.
The site was conceived of by Dr. James R. Lee
American University, The School of International Service
4400 Massachusetts Ave. NW. Washington, DC.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:51 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/04/confrontation-off-gaza-orwellian-spin/

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:41 PM

Great song, Emma.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:38 PM

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5229

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:53 PM

Well, that's just a joke bobad. A suicide bomber could easily get around that wall. A lot of the wall doesn't separate Palestinians from Israel, it separates Palestinians from their own fields and villages, as Emma said. That wall is an apartheid confiscatory wall what is being built to create facts on the ground and steal more land from the Palestinians and make it impossible for them to live.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:50 PM

Sorry I didn't mean to refer to Gaza, didn't even know there was a wall around Gaza, I am referring to the Security barrier.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:47 PM

Also, bobad, if they were so concerned with suicide bombers, why did they put Israeli citizens in colonies inside the wall for several years?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM

Song of the Olive Tree Leon Rosselson

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM

He's talking about the wall around Gaza, which conforms to its borders.


bobad, provide some sources for your quotes, please.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:35 PM

The Apartheid Wall, which separates Palestinian farmers from their lands, and has required the 'relocation' of some 60,000 established olive and other fruit trees growing within the Security Fence is described by the official Israeli government site as
"being built with the sole purpose of saving the lives of the Israeli citizens who continue to be targeted by the terrorist campaign that began in 2000."

HOWEVER -

According to Haaretz
"The security fence is no longer mentioned as the major factor in preventing suicide bombings, mainly because the terrorists have found ways to bypass it"

From the official government report again -

"The land used in building the Security Fence is seized for military purposes, not confiscated, and it remains the property of the owner."

63 shops straddling the Green Line were demolished by the IDF during construction of the wall in the village of Nazlat Issa.
In August 2003, an additional 115 shops and stalls (an important source of income for several communities) and five to seven homes there were also demolished.

In addition to loss of land, in the city of Qalqilyah one-third of the city's water wells lie on the other side of the barrier

The United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA) estimates that in the north of the West Bank approximately 80 per cent of Palestinians who own land on the other side of the barrier have not received permits from the Israeli authorities, and hence cannot cultivate their fields

"The government of Israel recognizes that the security fence is a temporary tool needed to protect innocents while diplomatic efforts for a lasting peace continue."

So temporary that it is an approved 436 miles long and, in some areas, an 8 metre tall concrete wall.

In a 2004 advisory opinion, the International Court of Justice considered that "Israel cannot rely on a right of self-defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall".
The Court found that "the construction of the wall, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law

The Red Cross has declared the barrier in violation of the Geneva Convention. On February 18, 2004, The International Committee of the Red Cross stated that the Israeli barrier "causes serious humanitarian and legal problems" and goes "far beyond what is permissible for an occupying power"


Ironically the Apartheid Wall is also opposed by some Israelis......

"The Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People as the Bible and the God of Israel has indicated.
If the Arabs wish to live in a Jewish State under Israel sovereignty, they must do so in a peaceful and tolerant manner.

The solution to terror is thus not erecting a fence but completely destroying the Palestinazi Authority; expelling all supporters of terror and reinstalling Jewish-Israeli control and sovereignty over all of Judea, Samaria and Gaza."

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:23 PM

I realize that the purpose for the wall doesn't accord with your ideological position but if you look at the statistics of the number of suicide bombings since the wall was mostly built you will find a strong correlation.

"Members of al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been less able to conduct attacks in Israel, the numbers of which have decreased in areas where the barrier has been completed"

Some opinions from jihadists:

"Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada."

"Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Salah said that the barrier is an important obstacle, and that "if it weren't there, the situation would be entirely different."

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:07 PM

The wall couldn't keep suicide bombers out if they really wanted to use that as a tactic. The wall is keeping people in, and food and other supplies out. People are dying because of it. This is an act of genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:01 PM

"The wall around Gaza is to help Israel commit an act of genocide against the population that lives within the wall."

That is untrue, the purpose of the barrier is to help keep suicide bombers out.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:57 PM

And, you, like all of us, are intitled to opinions and personal measurement of slimy governments. But, I found your statement, that, "The Israeli government are just about the slimiest and most reprehensible people I can possibly imagine", (while eye-catching) does a diservice to all others directly impacted by slimy actions by governments.

Maybe so. Let me rephrase - The people in the Israeli government are some of the slimiest and most reprehensible people I can possibly imagine.



Look, what I am saying is that the poster's assertion that the walls were put up for the same purpose is untrue - that's all.

Yes, that's quite true. The wall around East Berlin was to keep people from being able to leave the city to live elsewhere. The wall around Gaza is to help Israel commit an act of genocide against the population that lives within the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:52 PM

Look, what I am saying is that the poster's assertion that the walls were put up for the same purpose is untrue - that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:52 PM

CarolC
Yes, there have been, and still are many slimy governments.

And, you, like all of us, are intitled to opinions and personal measurement of slimy governments. But, I found your statement, that, "The Israeli government are just about the slimiest and most reprehensible people I can possibly imagine", (while eye-catching) does a diservice to all others directly impacted by slimy actions by governments.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:48 PM

bobad, suicide bombing is a response to foreign occupation (real or perceived). The civilians who are targeted are those who are represented by the government in question. In East Germany, the government in question was their own. So I ask again... who would they target?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:46 PM

Palestinians are hardly the only people who have used suicide bombing as a tactic. And quite a few (possibly the majority) of the people who have were not Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:44 PM

Let me explain it clearly so that you will understand. The poster stated that the walls were put up for the same purpose. Since Israel put theirs up to help keep suicide bombers out the implication is that that was the same reason for the German wall, which is clearly untrue. But you knew that, it just doesn't fit in with your ideological position.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

In an article published 6 years ago about the motives of suicide bombers, Professor Paul Wilson, writer, criminologist and Dean of Humanities and Social Sciences at Bond University concludes...

"In short, interpreting the motives of suicide bombers in simple psychological or religious terms does not get us very far.

Suicide bombers are motivated to commit their carnage because they believe, rightly or wrongly, they have been oppressed and humiliated by the Israelis for decades.

Causing terror among their enemies is one of the few ways left to them to fight back.

What this means is that neither Arafat himself or the might of the Israeli army can stop hundreds if not thousands of young men and women from acting as deadly human missiles.

Their actions most certainly have tragic consequences that may well be described as "evil".

But their motives are political rather than satanic or fanatical and only political solutions will stop the terror from continuing."


Six years later, Arafat has gone, but the sense of injustice and political impotence in the light of the world's indifference to the humanitarian crisis on Gaza following the blockade has only increased.

While Gaza may not have received its desperately needed cement, battery powered wheelchairs and school books etc at least the rest of the world may have opened one eye to their plight

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM

From Alice Walker -


You will have no protection

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:38 PM

"Up to around ten years ago we were protesting the existance of a wall dividing the two Germanys, yet the Israelis have built exactly the same wall for the same purpose."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall one of the Germanys sending suicide bombers into the other for the purpose of murdering innocent people.

Sheesh. That's because the wall was put up by their own government. So who are they going to kill, themselves?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 01:01 PM

Roberto, it looks to me like you are doing exactly the same thing as the Israeli government. I just had a look at the website to which you refer, and the page that contains the protocols. I used the babelfish translator to see what the text above the protocols had to say and while I couldn't understand all of it, the word "false" appears three times. It looks to me like a warning to people to not believe the protocols should people happen to come across them on the web.

Ed, there is no doubt that there is no shortage of slimy, reprehensible people in governments all over the world. But that doesn't alter what I said. Israel is spitting on the graves of every Jew who died in the Holocaust when they fabricate acts of anti-Semitism in order to smear people and silence them. And they help to create an environment in which people are less likely to believe accusations of anti-Semitism that are true.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: bobad
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:46 PM

"Up to around ten years ago we were protesting the existance of a wall dividing the two Germanys, yet the Israelis have built exactly the same wall for the same purpose."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall one of the Germanys sending suicide bombers into the other for the purpose of murdering innocent people.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:38 PM

"The Israeli government are just about the slimiest and most reprehensible people I can possibly imagine".

Well, as to slimy actions and news fabrications by governments, there are alot to draw from. Take the Kuwait conflict, and consider the example below:


http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:35 PM

But I didn't put different people all in a bunch. I reported two facts: Arab children at the demonstration in Rome taught by adults to shout "murderers" against Israel and a demonstration getting close to the Jew Ghetto in Rome shouting "murderers" against the Jew people that lives there. Facts, that I said I didn't like. What's your problem, CarolC?

This is what you said, verbatim:

At the demonstration tonight in Rome, Arab children shouting murderers against Israel. Two days ago, the demonstration in praise of the flottilla with activists shouting murderers at the Jew peole in Rome's ghetto. I'll never support such shame.

Which shame? The protests, or the specific people who said these things? You didn't differentiate. And where is your condemnation for the Israelis who are calling for death to all Arabs?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:34 PM

"The very least that should happen is a total cessation of trade with Israel and a boycott of their goods similar to that against fascist South Africa"

Indeed. If we can't get our governments to take a stand, then an international boycott is a good starting point for the rest of us. It helped to end Apartheid...

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:32 PM

"Israel's actions make antisemitism look reasonable to unthinking folk. That's most of the world."

There is a world of difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. The latter is perfectly valid as a way of expressing utter disapproval of Israeli occupation and the subjugation of the Palestinian people.

A fear of being labelled anti-Semitic is at least partly responsible for the blind eye that has been turned by the world's governments for several decades to Israel's repeated illegal, anti-humanitarian acts. Now is the time for the rest of the world to say enough is enough.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:23 PM

"Racist anti-Semite propaganda."
Excusing the behaviour of the Israelis by hiding behind the accusation of anti-Semitism is shameful.
Whenever criticism of Israel is raised it is met with "Anti Semitism" yet many of my Jewish friends have been the stongest critics of what they have described as 'Zionist Fascism'.
Up to around ten years ago we were protesting the existance of a wall dividing the two Germanys, yet the Israelis have built exactly the same wall for the same purpose.
They have illegally annexed Palestinian land and evicted the legitimate occupants.
They have systematically bombed civilians using chemical weapons; this bombing has included hospitals and schools.
They have illegally blockaded a country, preventing essential supplies from being landed there - including building material to re-build the same hospitals and schools razed to the ground by their bombs.
Comparisons with the Nazis and present day Israel are inescapable, and it is unforgivable that countries like the UK and the USA have continued to either support or ignore what is happening is proof of the old saying "Politics and money speak louder than humanity in todays world".
The very least that should happen is a total cessation of trade with Israel and a boycott of their goods similar to that against fascist South Africa.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:21 PM

Anybody who publishes the Protocols automatically puts themselves out of the running for being listened to or considered or even spoken about in polite company.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Roberto
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 11:53 AM

One of the "peace activists" of the flotilla, Angela Lano, writes for a site whose name speaks for itself, TerraSantaLibera, that is "HolyLandFree". On this site, you can find "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". That is, the worst racist anti-Semite propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 07:08 AM

BBC here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10245176.stm

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: Roberto
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 05:55 AM

CarolC writes "Roberto's failure to differentiate the behavior of some Arabs and Palestinian rights activists" and asks Ed "Where is your criticism of Roberto's post?". But I didn't put different people all in a bunch. I reported two facts: Arab children at the demonstration in Rome taught by adults to shout "murderers" against Israel and a demonstration getting close to the Jew Ghetto in Rome shouting "murderers" against the Jew people that lives there. Facts, that I said I didn't like. What's your problem, CarolC?

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:50 AM

Now that it's over, I just want to say a word about fabricating anti-Semitic acts.

In the link I provided that proves that the recording that the Israeli government released in which people on the Mavi Marmara were supposed to have made anti-Semitic remarks and a remark that I guess they think a terrorist would make, is fabricated (more stupidity from the hasbara people), we have an example of just about one of the lowest things I can imagine anyone doing short of physically harming someone. They fabricate an act of anti-Semitism in order to smear several hundred good people. Not only do they commit a vile libel against these people, but they do a horrendous disservice to Jews who find themselves subjected to real acts of anti-Semitism, because when people find out that sometimes these things are fabricated as a weapon and to harm other people, they might not take real cases of anti-Semitism quite so seriously.

The Israeli government are just about the slimiest and most reprehensible people I can possibly imagine.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:41 AM

The Rachel Corrie has been forcibly seized by the Israeli pirates and is being towed to Ashdod. All on board are reported safe.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:14 AM

One of my facebook friends in Gaza posted this just now...

"every day i wakeup thinking of how would my life be if theire was no siege !!

it will be a really good life , not the best , but better than now !!
the best one , will be when we got the free PALESTINE for ever !! i wish !!"

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 04:02 AM

She refused a third warning. The pirates say they are preparing to take her forcefully, but nothing seems to have happened yet.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:45 AM

Rachel Corrie has entered Gazan waters. There are pirate gun boats all around her.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:40 AM

She hasn't been boarded yet, and she just refused the pirates 3rd order.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:27 AM

Some sources are reporting that she is being boarded. Some reports are saying she is no longer in sight of Gaza.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 03:06 AM

Rachel Corrie preparing for possible takeover.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:59 AM

The pirates are starting to make threats.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:31 AM

Time to look at an important thread started by Emma b last year, about An Arab Israeli orchestra, known as the West-Eastern Divan orchestra which shows a powerful choice that musicians are making - rather than getting caught up in the blame game, playing music together.

Daniel Baremboim and Edward Said, the joint founders of this orchestra, are helping break down barriers between young musicians from different Middle eastern backgrounds, giving them an opportunity to meet and get to know each other, while learning and making music together. This demonstrates the possibilities of a future when there can be peace in Palestine and Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:27 AM

The pirates are ordering the Rachel Corrie to go to Ashdod. the ship has refused two times.

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 02:04 AM

More fabricated evidence from the Israeli government...

http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/proof-emerges-idf-audio-of-radio-communicatio

Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 12:34 AM

She's still steaming toward Gaza. Somebody tweeted that one of their Facebook friends in Gaza can see her about 20 miles off shore.


And here's a good resource for information about the flotilla...

The Flotilla Archive