Excellent Mudcat parody

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:02 PM

Tooo-shay! and still chuckling.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:49 PM

Borfolk has been around since the seventies, although it has been in hibernation for some time. It was originally a cartoon series in a magazine called Southern Rag - subsequently that became Folk Roots magazine, then fRoots. And the Mud C=celidh is indeed new.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Ref
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:22 PM

I think I heard the Herring Song at Old Songs a couple of years ago.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:21 PM

I take it Borfolk has been around a while... it did seem more than an overnight labor to generate the anagrams/funny names. The Mud e-Ceilidh is new?

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:17 PM

And right at the very bottom:

Mud-E-Ceilidh time: 1 April 1893 - 00:35 AM APPROX

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: semi-submersible
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:00 PM

What a hoot! Thanks, greg stephens.


The Folksinging parrots thread was the only one I could make work. I tried popup boxes too, and the sole one that worked was the "Translate from:" box right here at the end of the parrot thread. Worth it!


Rifleman observed:
    "almost as funny as the parody, but not quite"
Hear, hear!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:44 PM

Re the road names etc - I still like the name of the road that the club is in ... at first sight it didn't register, but read it quickly and the relevance is obvious!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:19 PM

Re the acronyms ... having seen some jottings on a club night, I believe that Mr Ingnobody still works those out without the use of a computer

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Zen
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:44 PM

I agree with most posters here, I thought it was totally excellent and very well done.

Zen

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:19 PM

The Captain is almost as funny as the parody, but not quite...nice try though Captain *snigger, snigger*

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MMario
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM

exactly.

*grin*

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:53 PM

Ohhh!

~S~

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: High Hopes (inactive)
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:43 PM

Some take things waaayyyyyyy too seriously don't they? Geez this is one of the funniest things to come through the toll gate in along time.

"and The A.L.Lloyd Fake Song Award goes to....."

folk clubs are portrayed as three men and a dog,with an incompetent organiser

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:25 PM

Diane,could you name some folk clubs that are close to this reality,thanks.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:19 PM

To those who can't even get the letters of F IngNobody in the right order it's unsurprising that the point eludes them. With apologies to L Heath, I got bored with Borfolk 30 years ago, not because it was inaccurate but because it was far too frighteningly close to reality, and still is.

The so-called "revival" has much to answer for (mainly tie-dyed flares, beards, wilfully ignorant GEFFism and utterly, utterly BORing f*lkies with very low horizons). I learned to play and sing at school (before and after, actually). Also after school I learned step and clog from a traditional dancer, Johnson Ellwood, with local musicians sometimes including my grandfather who was my biggest influence, with the possible exception of Thomas Tallis.

The two worlds were entirely separate, one was never mentioned in the other, though the latter certainly wasn't called "f*lk". It was just what you did and it introduced me to pubs throughout the North East at an early age. Very early.

Come the early 60s, I pitched up in London where F ingF*lkClubs were all the trendy rage. I thought "I can do this, it's a bit like what I did with granddad". But it wasn't, really. I quickly tired of being told how inauthentic is was to read music, or what was considered kosher (or insert term appropriate to religion of choice) to do by one set or the other. It was less antagonistic to do the rounds of ultra-left splinter groups (or warring born-again christian sects - probably, but I wouldn't really know, not having tried any, not even ISB-scientology . . . ) I took to writing instead.

What's wrong with parody is either that those who ought to don't recognise themselves or else become ridiculously upset. Both reactions are tedious, as are muddy ceilidhs.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:51 PM

Maybe you're looking at the Borfolk site in general, not the MudECeilidh page which looks and reads exactly like this one!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:49 PM

WYSIWYG: try this

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:41 PM

I looked there, but I did not see any relation to Mudcat. US eyes, I guess.

~S~

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:38 PM

Methinks the parodist made good use of online an anagram generator!!

I don't think there was such a thing as on-line, let alone anagram generators, when Borfolk first started. I seem to remember that quite a lot were contributed by readers via a competition in the early days. I know that other artists such as The Rotters Of Coppingdean and The Rubbishy Song And Tune Cell were, like Elmer P Bleaty, fond enough of their anagrams to occasionally self-refer to them, and some Borfolk names like Wardeaths were so appropriate that they entered common useage. Ditto DEAFASS (The Dance Earnestly And Forget About Singing Society) which was very appropriate 25-30 years ago. Borfolk was/is brilliant in the tradition of loving parodies like Spinal Tap and that new Morris film. I wonder if Lawrence/ Frank/ sTroof could be persuaded to put together an anthology for all those of us who no longer have their early Southern Rags, Folk Roots and old Sidmouth Festival daily newspapers?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: treewind
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:25 PM

I've only just found them.
"Lady Musgr.Ave."
"John Barley Corner"
etc...

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Eddie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:52 PM

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned the wonderful road names in the "How to find us" section.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:31 PM

I have to say that when I started this thread I was a litle nervous that it might turn into one of those threads for which Mudcat is (possibly justly) ridiculed in the fRuits columns. Well, Captain Birdseye has obliged. Thanks to everyone else for treating it in the spirit intended.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Maryrrf
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:14 PM

I though it was hilarious!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Is it just me or is anyone else frustrated that they can't click on the thread entitled "Urgently sought: Folk songs about brassicas"? I have a few suggestions if the link ever becomes active:

Lady Brussels and Little Mustard
Cauliflowers of the Forest
The Swedes of Lovely Nancy
T Stands for Turnip
The Cabbage in the Wood

And of course, all those old "B. nigra" spirituals so beloved of our cousins across the pond (that one's for all you amateur botanists out there).

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:29 AM

Hmm .. that was posted before Dick's reply, which mystifies me. If you're telling people to calm down Dick, it rather raises the question of why you made such a fuss about it in the first place? And I do so agree that the music is so much more important!!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:27 AM

For our American friends, could I point out that in your case Humour is spelled HUMOR ??

Sorry Dick, I disagree - the Borfolk cartoons have withstood the test of time, simply because so many of those stereotypes displayed in the cartoon exist... and there certainly are clubs which still display individuals with some of the character traits and deficiencies displayed - otherwise it wouldn't be funny! Nobody has suggested that these are the norm, or indeed that any folk club with just three men and a dog actually exists. I think that that is where the word "humour" comes into it!

I didn't start going to clubs until the 1990's (after a long gap following university in the 70's) ... and even I can certainly recognise some of the behaviour and character traits under the spotlight. Mr Ingnobody actually runs a very successful club, by the way ... I haven't spotted any dog there yet, nor does there appear to be the equivalent of Old Vermin on the premises. However, somebody used to bring a canine chum to the Ram Club in Claygate on a regular weekly basis when I first started going there - so stereotypes DO actually exist!!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:22 AM

Ralphie,I aint bothered.
I dont think Lawrence would take offence anyway,his cartoons are very good, as I said before,but I dont find them very funny,that doesnt mean I cant appreciate good drawing etc,
now calm down,this stuff is not as important as playing music.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:19 AM

Ted Rogers writes:
Funnily enough an anagram of "sense of humour failure" would be "rueful farmhouse noise", which – on a good day and with a following wind – could be have used to describe the "bleating" singing style of a particular folk singer.

You see, it all falls into place in the end... probably!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:27 AM

Dick.
Irony is spelt I-R-O-N-Y.
Parody is spelt P-A-R-O-D-Y
Humour is spelt H-U-M-O-U-R
Pedant is spelt P-E-D-A-N-T
Sense of Humour failure is called.......Oh you work it out....

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:20 AM

Dick
Just noticed one line from you
"I know his work, and it's very good"
Well I wouldn't go and ask him for a booking anytime soon if I were you, you might be very disappointed!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:17 AM

folk clubs are portrayed as three men and a dog,with an incompetent organiser.
in fact many folk clubs are successful and well attended,quite a few have been going 30 40 years,and are well organised.
Topic Folk club,Swindon folk club,Bothy folk club,Leigh ON sea folk club ,both the Lewes clubs,Swinton Folk club,Faversham Folk club,Bodmin folk club,Stockton folk club ,Welly folk club, South Shields,Sharps folk club,Liverpool Everyman folk club,Faldingworth., Kiveton Park and many more.
   as they bring out the exact nature of oh so many clubs and individuals that can be seen around the English folk scene ... but with a great degree of fondness.
no cant agree,his cartoons depict a tiny minority,that dont survive long.Apologies to any clubs I have left out

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:13 AM

Well Dick.
Talk about opening mouth and inserting foot.
Don't think that you are going to get many gigs in the South East now.
For Gawds sake....even the people who run this place got the joke, parody is the sincerest form of flattery after all.

And I'm sure that Mssrs Spiers and Boden would love framed copies of their cartoon hanging in their respective Lavs.

Now Mr Ignobody....Where is the Housewives Choice cartoon Eh Eh???
I'll pay for it, honest guv....

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 09:39 AM

Like Ralphie I also know the individual who created the website under discussion, and can confirm that he cares deeply about folk and the traditional arts, and is a tireless worker in the area of promoting music, dance and song in the South East of England. And has been for many years.

I would point out for those who seem to have taken this as a dig at Mudcat, that the name of the forum which has been chosen is MudE celidh ... please note that ECeilidh is another organisation that also exists on the web, should you not be aware of it. Additionally, the MudECeilidh item is one page only on a site which is quite clearly indicated as under construction. Mr Ingnobody has already told me that it is being slowly expanded. And no doubt it will _have_ to be slowly as he holds down a very responsible full time job, as well as running a club, concerts, and dances,providing assistance with a certain large annual folk festival in one way or another each year, and trying to lead a life as well.

The site is unconnected with fRoots, except insofar as Mr Ingnobody was connected with its predecessor, Southern Rag... and if you care to look at the bylines on each page of the website, you will see that construction started in October last year. The editor of fRoots has only just picked it up ... if it was a publicity stunt for that magazine, I think he might have highlighted it well before now!! (Come to that the name of the perpetrator is extremely obvious on the website, if you care to look at it properly!!)

As to Capn's comments about Peter Bellamy (Elmer P Bleaty), it is my understanding that he loved his new name, and even went so far as to request the original of the cartoon that went with it. And in response to his comment that "I have always thought the cartoons portrayed the uk folk club scene in a very negative way[probably not the cartoonists intention]." ... I've always thought that they were hilarious as they bring out the exact nature of oh so many clubs and individuals that can be seen around the English folk scene ... but with a great degree of fondness.

I wonder if Mr Ingnobody knows what a storm in a teacup he has created {grin} - must tell him!!!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.

Indeed, but everybody finds your constant bleating tedious in the extreme.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MartinRyan
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.

Aye, aye, Cap'n! Now can we move on?

Regards

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

lol, thats the funniest thing I've seen for ages! Brilliant.

Who said Folkies have no sense of humour?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

Too close to home - the music threads have 4 or 7 posts; the semi-music threads hundreds and the BS millions.

When did Mudcat become sacrosanct? There is plenty here to criticize and parody.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:53 AM

I have and I am still waiting for an apology.
I am not sure it is harmless fun,as a matter of fact I have always thought the cartoons portrayed the uk folk club scene in a very negative way[probably not the cartoonists intention].
but something that would undoubtedly appeal to anyone who was anti folk clubs,and anti Mudcat, which might be a possible explanation for their promotion,would they be promoted by froots if it was froots who was being satirised,I dont think so,from my own personal experience,criticism is not something he[not the cartoonist] encourages.

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: nickp
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM

Cheered up my Wednesday lunchtime at work! Nice one Lawrence.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:32 AM

So Dick.
You have a grieviance with the Editor of fRoots?

Take it up with him, and leave the rest of us to enjoy what is a little bit of harmless fun.
In other words, take that bag of King Edward potatoes off your shoulder, and direct your vitriol where you will.
The rest of us don't actually care about your personal squabbles.
(Good grief. Can't we just have a bit of a laugh sometimes?)

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: matt milton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:26 AM

"no, it has been leapt on by froots to get people to visit his site"

1. it hasn't been "leapt on". It's been linked to, just as it has been here

2. the parody doesn't "promote" anything, but if it could be said to be "promoting" anything, that thing would be mudcat

3. as there's no weblink from that parody to the fRoots website, it can't be said that linking to it it is a way to get anyone to visit the it, any more than posting a link to it here can be said to be a way of getting anyone to visit *this* website

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:13 AM

no, it has been leapt on by froots to get people to visit his site.
a publicity stunt.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:11 AM

Ralphie,re read my posts.
I am the one who has been personally attacked,and accused of taking drugs[fact],not by the cartoonist,but by someone else,hence my aversion to anything that promotes the Froots board/site.
I have not attacked the cartoonist,I know his work,and it is very good.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: matt milton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:08 AM

Because it's very funny?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: G-Force
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:05 AM

Yes it may be a bit of gentle fun, but why was it leapt on with such glee by fRuits? They are (he is) notoriously anti-Cat.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 07:26 AM

Dick.
Just to put the record straight. "Borfolk" has nothing to do with fRoots magazine, apart from a tangential connection with it's predecessor "Southern Rag" .
The site owner is a well respected club, concert, and dance organiser in Southern England. To the extent of having recieved an award from the EFDSS last year for his lifelong contributions to the folk scene.
Artists that have been subjected to his gentle wit, have taken his parodies with great good humour...(The bugger hasn't done me yet!).
You seem to have a personal problem with fRoots.
Do us all a favour, and kindly keep it to yourself.
And, don't involve Mr Ignobody.
As I said earlier, It's just a bit of harmless fun. Save your personal attacks for another place.
Ralph

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:43 AM

Frank Ingnobody was around a long time before fRoots (but yes, there is a connection, see Leadfingers's post).

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:01 AM

Her Gents Pegs wrote:
"I presume Josi Teacake is our very own Ruth Archer under another name!"
Nope, it's actually Jackie Oates. Try using this Anagram Solver to decipher a few more.

Slick Dime wrote:
"a publicity stunt by Folk Roots".
I certainly wouldn't go that far but there is a bit of an fRoots connection.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:40 AM

Well, at the risk of being pursued round other threads and belittled, I think Rapidity Absence is showing both lack of humour, and possibly some sort of personal grudge.
It's a tour de force, and I am filled with admiration at the time and talent that has gone into it.

JM

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:22 AM

"The drawing of Boden and Spiers is indeed masterly" As is the drawing of Lauren McCormick and Emily Portman (formerly of "The Devils Interval"). And the recasting of Mawkin Causley as "Male Saucy Wink" apposite in the extreme.

"I presume Josi Teacake is our own Ruth Archer under another name" Err, no, the letters don't add up. Look a bit closer to your own home county, think younger, and sibling to "Jimmy Oar"