BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:59 AM

Well, you can hear me on BBC Devon's Interactive Lunch in a few hours when they put their show on Listen Again too, at the start of the programme, as I've just got off the phone with them too and once again, the tears are flowing for this is my children's world, the world of ALL the children and WHAT are you all going to say to YOUR children when they turn around in a few decades to come (probably a lot sooner) and say "Where WERE you? Why didn't you FIGHT for our future?!"

I dont give a fuck if anyone in here laughs at me, for I'm way above that all now, let them. I KNOW that we cannot continue on in this way, and I'm right with The Indigenous Peoples who are now coming together to stand up and say "ENOUGH!!!!"

ANYTHING I can do to help them, I will!

Enough of this slug-fest. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:40 AM

Oooo!Lizzies been on the radio this morning. Must fo a "Listen Again" Have always wondered what she sounds like!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:28 AM

Keep telling yourself that your online ranting matters, Liz. It might help to justify all the time you spend doing it. Inspiring people? You put at least as many people off your various causes with your hysterical argumentative tone and insults as you've ever "inspired". Not to mention going of half-assed and half-cocked about issues you only understand a tiny fragment of because you have never experienced any of it. You live a sad life of bleedingheart colonialism and it isn't even your life. But I'm asure all your pet natives look up to you as their patron saint, sitting in front of your computer 3000 miles away.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,Dave Eyre
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:25 AM

The answer is No, I was not with them because I cannot afford to get up to London any longer, as, being a Carer, I live on a *very* low income these days. And I do not drive either, before you start on that one...not that I could afford the petrol even if I DID drive for it's around a 4/5 hour journey from where I am. So, shove that up yer backside, dave


Not sure who the "Dave" is in this but if it is directed at me you are wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:23 AM

With reference to your post above: Here ya go, McBollox you can even share it out yourself. The numbers will start to rise soon when America and Canada come online fully..


....and I'll keep making photos for the friends and supporters of Chief Spence for as long as they ask me to.

FB Photolink for Chief Spence

So there's that and a whole loada other stuff and the phone in where I lost the plot which you can even listen to in the other thread, just so's you know I'm not lying...and.....hey, what have YOU done today?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:18 AM

No, I spend *my* time online inspiring MANY people to fight for Mother Earth. Just made a new photolink for Chief Spence this morning, using the photo and info I was sent last night, from over in Canada...It's being shared out to many countries at present...

I work my butt off, online to try to help Mother Earth and wake people up, whilst you, McBollox, merely use *your* time to insult, belittle and show what a deeply spiteful person you are.

Never mind though, better luck in your next life, eh? Sure hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 07:58 AM

oh so you used to do a lot of protesting did you? Before you couldn't afford it anymore? Have you been very politically active all your life then? Forgive me, I didn't realise. I thought you just spent time starting fights on line and getting banned from facebook pages and websites.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 07:38 AM

The answer is No, I was not with them because I cannot afford to get up to London any longer, as, being a Carer, I live on a *very* low income these days. And I do not drive either, before you start on that one...not that I could afford the petrol even if I DID drive for it's around a 4/5 hour journey from where I am. So, shove that up yer backside, dave

And now, back to Chief Spence and Canada.....

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,Paddy McBollox
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 07:24 AM

>>Deeply embarrassing, but at least they got to hear how I felt.

- and there we have it. All that matters.

>>As it is, just a couple of hundred good people protested last week in London.

- were you with them? How do I know the answer is you had far mor important things to do on facebook?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 06:40 AM

You know NOTHING of what I said, Charmion, so please, therefore, keep your usual Twisted Opinions of me to yourself....

I run one of the FB pages similar to the one Harper has, so I know *EXACTLY* what happens if you ban someone. FIRST you need to read their post...and THAT is *exactly* what I wanted them to do, for whoever read it will now have my words inside their head, even if for a short while....

Please note that I do not criticize how you write or what you say, but please, feel free to continue to vent your Unpleasant Spleen upon me, if that gives you satisfaction..

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 06:18 AM

No, Lizzie. I can assure you that no steam issued from any ears in the Prime Minister's Office on you account.

First of all, you are not Canadian and therefore not a voter.

Secondly, you did not tell them anything they do not already know and have not already rationalized.

Thirdly, you were probably as insulting in your contributions there as you are too frquently here. That destroyed whatever credibility was left.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 05:33 AM

Oh..and fecking Stephen Harper's FB team have banned me for their page...

RESULT!!!, for at least they had to read it to ban me and hopefully, my words made steam come out of their ears!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 05:32 AM

From me:Most folks over here don't give a darn about fracking, which will be coming here shortly if the politicians have their way. Most people here know nothing about it and simply don't want to know. It's as if they've all been sprayed with Apathy Dust.<<<<

From Will:That particular statement is not true, Lizzie. Fracking has been the subject of intense debate and protest in the Blackpool area after some fracking caused two earthquakes on the Fylde coast. There are a lot of people in the UK who are very, very exercised about it. The problem is that the people who want it - George Osborne for one - are the people in power. Please don't generalise about our people in the UK. <<<<


Will, I stand by what I say, MOST folks do NOT give a damn! IF THEY DID the streets would have been covered in them all protesting! As it is, just a couple of hundred good people protested last week in London.

Today, they have announced, just an hour or so ago, that fracking has been given the go-ahead in this country!

I just 'lost it' totally on Nicky Campbell's BBC Radio 5 show this morning, tears falling down my face as I was talking, for what they are doing here is INSANITY! Deeply embarrassing, but at least they got to hear how I felt.

I am truly fecked off with these Numbskulls who are ruining our planet or showing total disinterest in their own species, letting them live in terrible conditions whilst these fecking 'leaders-who-are-not-leaders' live in LUXURY!!

Oh..and this morning it's also been announced that fecking Dilma Rousseff, President of Brazil, at present in Paris with Hollande, has given the go-ahead for....wait for it.....800...**EIGHT HUNDRED** (!!!) new airports to be built in Brazil!

Let's hope the Red Nations Rising 'Idle No More' becomes ALL Nations, for if we do not fight this Insanity we are going down, down, deeper and DOWN!!


And Chief Spence has many people now supporting her from around the world, with many others coming to sit outside her teepee, to sing, beat the drums and give her as much support as they are able to.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 09:58 PM

Sandy,

But, why does it not make sense to do both with the same level of zeal - both treating the symptom, while focusing on fixing the underlying problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 09:44 PM

Ed,
Perhaps I do want to treat the symptom before looking for a cure for the disease. If someone is hungry I want to see them fed. If someone has no shelter and is cold I want to see them warm and protected from the elements. If they have no safe drinking water I want that rectified as soon as possible. These are all symptoms of huge underlying problems that I wish see somehow resolved, but if the symptom is not treated first then what is left? If government indifference or political graft at any level restrict helping people who are in dire need then I feel that heads should roll. I don't really care if that person is red, white, black, yellow, or any shade in between. The greater problem is that the resources of this country, and in fact this world, are such that nobody should go to bed hungry! If 90% of the worlds wealth is held by 10% of its population I would love to see that disease cured, but the reality calls treating symptoms as best we can!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:38 PM

Regarding money and Indians

Sometimes it is lack of foresight and other times it is graft. Here, the Feds should take some of the blame and bloody well find a way to actually account for its funds. However, anyone who thinks reserves receive scads and oodles of cash, take a look at that link.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:22 PM

Sandy, I suspect your choir assessment may be in error.

As stated earlier, I suggest you are looking at a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. To fix the problem, one has to look beyond the symptom, and go back to look deeply at the cause.

Possibly a review of this article may lead one to seeing some of the issues associated with "a fix", though it is complex, considering the historic governance impacts on aboriginal peoples in Canada.

failed assumptions and failed relationship

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 07:27 PM

Ed, you are preaching to the choir and I am in agreement with what you say! However, there is a glaring problem that must be overcome before anything like a cure can happen. Native band councils demand autonomy in distributing aid and often it is siphoned off before it gets where it is needed. The Dept. Of Indian Affairs turns a blind eye to this as lonk as the band council kisses its arse, so lots of money becomes thrown at the problem but badly misses the goal. People freeze and starve while some band chief earns more in salary than the Prime Minister, and tax free as well! It is not my intention to paint all councils with the same brush, but someone has to kick arse and the government seems to have feet of clay!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 07:22 PM

So... I asked "I just wanna ask ollaimh one last question before I take my leave... does the white man in Canada owe compensation to the red man In Canada for every tree the white man ever cut down in Canada? Opps... TWO questions... And, if so, who is gonna write the cheque? I am looking forward to you edifying me and correcting my ignorance on this issue as you so graciously offered to do. Thanks for your time and for your effort in this regard."

I now ask this question of Lizzie and Ed based on their posts. Is that what the treaties say? EVERY tree? I, me, mois, jimmy suis, owe for every tree? Gotta tell youse all... I ain't got that kinda pocket change.

If not, I don't understand why we can't move forward without contention. But, none of that matters right now. Right now, people are in harm's way. Natives are in harms way and so are many of their white brothers. Other posters have acknowledged my assessments of the situation(s). I respect them. Others have posted that they respect them and their positions. But, I get shit upon when I say the same thing before before they even say it. Even called racist. And, like I and others have said on various threads, it ain't just me that gets pissed off about that load of horseshit. Read the posts that some of you say you "respect" while you shit on me and think a bit.

Fact is, you cannot CHANGE the past, but you can change the present and the future. Unfortunately, you severely lessen your chances of changing the present and the future when you talk inane crap. You call me uneducated and ignorant (and racist???) in return when I say you don't understand? Good luck with that. The RICH are laughing all the way to the bank on it. Red, white and blue pinstripe while we ALL, ALL, suffer.

Enough IS enough.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 06:21 PM

""is time to stop the finger pointing at past injustice, and to start to plan for a better future for all!"'

Muc of the finger pointing that I have seen is pointed at the aboriginal peoples, not by them.

I agree that it is econimically convenient for non-natives to "forget the past injustices". However, for the aboriginal peoples part of the better future you mention is based on the past. Treaties were signed and not honoured. Rights were ignored. Native peoples were marginalized in a society where others prospered, often at their loss. Most often when asked "white mans courts" have reaffirmed these rights and treaties, and condemmed the wrongs. While it is socially and economically "convient" to avoid reflecting and recognizing the past, doing so only delays the inevitable. Let's face it, we are a plentiful society. It is time to move forward with honour and "right" the historic wrongs that we have inherited from deeds our forefathers and collectively benefited from.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 05:48 PM

RE: Sandy @ 12 Dec 12 - 05:01 PM

I couldn't agree more.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 05:06 PM

Yes Ed, I don't argue your point. That being said it is time to stop the finger pointing at past injustice, and to start to plan for a better future for all!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 05:01 PM

All true Greg, but our federal government spends our money on folly on reservations! I stand firm in my desire to see the lives of our native citizens improve. I just demand that such benefits should help most in need!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:56 PM

Quite often "cronic drug and alcohol problems" are a symptom inflicted by history, rather than a reflection of the true nature of a people.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:52 PM

Ed, I don't argue your point!
The Department Of Indian Affairs however, allows this shit to continue, and the victim falls down the crack!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:49 PM

Drug and alcohol problems reflect ANY community's despair, Sandy - white, black, red or blue.

And corruption knows no ethnic boundaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:26 PM

""corrupt leaders still line their own pockets and those of their friends""

Is it not mostly a imposed leadership history?

Regardless, one could broaden that statement to many societies, worldwide and local.However, my obervation has been that it is often nioticed more when it is associated with an aboriginal community.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:12 PM

I wrote quite a bit here on the subject but sent it all to the trash bin. Bruce seems to reflect most of what I intended to say.
I was raised in a village where half of the population was native. I have seen the poverty, the hope, the dispair, and the corruption among the Indians, but I have also seen a growth of something else and that is pride in their heritage. Drug and alcohol problems reflect their dispair, and corrupt leaders still line their own pockets and those of their friends, but other leaders emerge and aim for a much higher plane. Schools that once enforced the white mans ways now teach the history and language of a people with a fantastic heritage. Ahead the road may be rough but somewhere at the tunnel end a light shines! However, it will be a long and difficult passage!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 03:30 PM

Well, Charmion, the medium sometimes is indeed the message.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 03:12 PM

Bruce is one of the very few people here whose opinions I have a lot of respect for

Bruce is, indeed, one of the most rational and informed folks I've run into for a long time and his comments are more than worthy of respect.

However, that doesn't explain why other persons who post the same opinions, observations and criticism's as he does are immediately inundated by and submerged in an Amazon of LizShit.

Care to elaborate, oh omniscient and beatified one?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Charmion
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:59 PM

I wish I could focus on Ms Cornish's advocacy for her various causes, but I am constantly distracted by her writing style. In particular, I wish I could figure out how she chooses the Words that get Initial Capitals.

I know, I know. I'm trivial. We've been there.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:39 PM

Most folks over here don't give a darn about fracking, which will be coming here shortly if the politicians have their way. Most people here know nothing about it and simply don't want to know. It's as if they've all been sprayed with Apathy Dust.

That particular statement is not true, Lizzie. Fracking has been the subject of intense debate and protest in the Blackpool area after some fracking caused two earthquakes on the Fylde coast. There are a lot of people in the UK who are very, very exercised about it. The problem is that the people who want it - George Osborne for one - are the people in power. Please don't generalise about our people in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:35 PM

And The River Of LizShit flows relentlessly onward to the sea......

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC8ocRXyz1I

That is from a year back.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:09 PM

Don't Feed the Trolls.

ahhhhh...a soft gentle breeze...the sound of one hand clapping.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 01:52 PM

"...As I know from sad experience. Get ready for a river of LizShit."

Sorry to disappoint you, but Bruce is one of the very few people here whose opinions I have a lot of respect for. However, that respect also means that I can disagree with him at times, and he with me, without me taking offence.



"....And as a btw, Chief Spence's hunger strike has to do with drawing attention to the plight of her people, and that also includes bad shit that's in Bill C-45..."

Yes, thank you, I'm aware of that.

I'm also aware there are shitty folks out there amongst the Native Americans too and indeed I was recently reading Leonard Peltier talking about that very subject himself, in a book by Harvey Arden, from a few years back. But, I'll tell you this much, it is the Indigenous people who inspire me at present, Bruce, (the good guys amongst them, that is) for they are starting to shout out in a way that really inspires me.

You said yourself, above, that you don't see many Canadians getting pissed off about this...I see barely any British people, of any colour, being pissed off about anything to do with other people in this country or abroad, or about our planet and what is being done to it. Most folks over here don't give a darn about fracking, which will be coming here shortly if the politicians have their way. Most people here know nothing about it and simply don't want to know. It's as if they've all been sprayed with Apathy Dust.   

At least Chief Spence is highlighting the plight of her people globally now, for word is spreading across the internet. Shaming though, that someone has to threaten to starve themselves to death before the Media (and, perhaps, those in charge) start to take notice. She shouldn't have to do this. The Mapuche shouldn't have to do it. The Guarani-Kiaowa shouldn't have to threaten to fight to the death in order to be allowed to stay on their land, as happened so recently, nor should the Kayapo, but so often they are left with very few options these days.

>>>Don't romanticize it or glorify all Indians because one gal has taken a stand on this.<<<

I'm not. But I have a lot of respect for her and for many Native Americans who are out there fighting with all they have. That's not romanticizing anything.


>>>And please don't make my ancestors look like shit just because they were White.<<<

Hey, mine were white too, you know. Sadly, whether we like it or not, many of those who did bad things here *were* white. It was the Sociopathic ones (of all colours) amongst those who went before who created hell, not just for Native Americans, but for millions of people throughout history in their quest to dominate and control. Sadly, it's still happening to this day but maybe, just maybe we are starting to wake up a little more to this fact...

>>>ALL Canadians should be protesting C-45. Please don't make the Bill just an Indian issue. It isn't.<<<

I agree, but I take you back to your comment above about many Canadians not seeming to be angry enough about what's happening.

We're back to the Apathy Problem which has dominated many countries for way too long. Canada has only joined very recently it seems, for heck, we've been bloody Apathetic for DECADES over here, in fact, it's ingrained into us to not complain or grumble...and it drives me nuts.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 01:45 PM

Unfortunate, Bruce, but it would seem that your Canadian politicians are learning all too well from their counterparts down here in the lower 48.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 01:17 PM

C-45 is the most diabolical piece of legislation in the past 100 years IMO. The effects of it are far reaching and very bad for this country. Any legislation that opens up our water(ways) to pollution with impunity will eventually destroy Canada. I know Liz means well, but not all First Nations people are noble, well-meaning or even honourable, and not all non-Indians are either.

My first teaching job was in Ft Chipewyan, and crap was leaching into the lake even then. The Cree in north Saskatchewan have double the Indian mortality rate of new-borns, and that is higher still than the non-Indian rate. People in Ft Chipewyan are getting ill and gee, no one knows why.

"Uranium and gold mining along the northern shore resulted in the birth of Uranium City, Saskatchewan, which was home to the mine workers and their families. While the last mine closed in the 1980s, the effects of mining operations have heavily contaminated the northern shores."

Arsenic, uranium: hell, time for another government study. We could add that study to the piles of studies on which government has never acted. Bill C-45 is a slap in the face to this country. I hope the bastards that voted for it die screaming.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 11:39 AM

I apologize ahead of time, Bruce, but you really shouldn't be criticising the all-knowing, all-seeing Saint Liz. As I know from sad experience. Get ready for a river of LizShit.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 11:26 AM

Liz, this has not been and is not just about Indians. This is about all people in this country. A year ago the Canadian Red Cross had to help people at Attawapiskat because fucking Ottawa (and Ontario) abrogated their treaty responsibilities. Go read about Grassy Narrows. This is not some new thing. When the people up near Dryden, Ontario, were getting hammered with mercury poisoning even their Indian brothers and sisters didn't help, so please stop implying the only people with honour are necessarily First Nations people. You have no damned idea how much corruption there is with band councils around this country. They are no better than Ottawa or any other government. Get your head wrapped around that because this type of shit is really turning people from getting involved. And as a btw, Chief Spence's hunger strike has to do with drawing attention to the plight of her people, and that also includes bad shit that's in Bill C-45. Don't romanticize it or glorify all Indians because one gal has taken a stand on this. And please don't make my ancestors look like shit just because they were White.

ALL Canadians should be protesting C-45. Please don't make the Bill just an Indian issue. It isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:44 AM

gnu, it IS about what happened hundreds of years back, for that same mindsest of Greed and Sociopathic behaviour has never gone away....

NOW is the time for us all to rise up against those who have been allowed to bully people/populations for so very, very long.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:41 AM

Bruce...the weirdest thing happened yesterday evening. I was sitting here making a photolink for the 'Idle No More' campaign, taking the photo from the Last Real Indians site, and loading it up with info to put on the Support Chief Raoni page, as I know many Indigenous People from many countries watch the page....

Well, there I sat, looking for information to load ,when all of a sudden this message came to the page, via the PM section. I've removed the person's name..

>>>Hello,

My name is (name removed for privacy), and I have arrived in Ottawa last night. I am spending time with Chief Theresa Spence, during her hunger strike on Victoria Island. I helped set up the teepee for her strike, and helped make the fire for her. She does not want to talk to the media right now, because she has a very long road ahead. All the help we can get counts. I want to get this message to ever corner of the world. I can fill you in with the play by play of everyday and provide pictures if you wish. As well as direct statements from her, that the media wont get.<<<<


Well, my mouth fell open! I replied IMMEDIATELY and told him what I was doing on the other side of the screen! He couldn't believe it either! :0) Now, we're FB friends and hopefully, later today, on Canadian Time, he'll write and tell me what's going on, so I can get it out on the page...

It seems that many parts of the world are already starting to hear about this story, as well as many parts of Canada too....I've put media links into the Occupy Canada page as well...

As the man who wrote to me last night said "We WILL do this!!"

We will, ALL of us, TOGETHER...

I've also plastered the FB page of Stephen Harper with this story and my comments about him...

God, that man is a fooking plonker!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Stu
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 08:26 AM

"It's not about what happenED hundreds of years ago"

Show me a single colonised people that think it's NOT what about what happened hundreds (or tens) of years ago. Ignoring the past condemns us to repeat it's mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 07:41 AM

It's tragic. That's what I was talking about in my first post. It's not about what happenED hundreds of years ago. It's about recent history and it's about what is happening this very minute. Imagine... the Red Cross has to help because Canadian governments won't do their duty and take action in this dire situation that has been well known about for years? They can spend millions and millions of dollars helping Afghans (and shooting some, too) but abject poverty right here at home is ignored? and worsened by greed? The corruption and neglect have to be eliminated. And Harper could start with one simple order. It is ideed shameful, at best.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 05:39 AM

Chief Spence will kill herself and this country should hang its head in shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:58 AM

Could everyone please hold Chief Theresa Spence close to their hearts today, as she starts her second day of indefinite hunger strike for her People, for Integrity, Honour and for Mother Earth. And may the new 'Idle No More' campaign become a Peaceful Revolution which stretches far beyond Canada's shores as all Loving, Caring People of the World come to stand together at long last to say "ENOUGH!"

"I am willing to die for my People..."


Occupy Canada photo (in Facebook)

For those who do not have Facebook, here is the text which accompanies the photo:

Toronto Protest sign today >THIS IS A 100% FACT

>On December 4th Canada had over 2 million protected lakes, and over 8,500 protected rivers.
On December 5th Canada now has only 97 Protected lakes and 62 protected rivers. (90 per cent of the protected lakes are on 1% rich conservative territory) Thanks to Stephen Harper

Harper's omnibus 'Budget' Bill C-45 that passed Guts Protection of Rivers, Lakes - Conservatives Toss Out 130 Year-Old Navigation Protection Act to Speed Up Pipeline Construction http://bit.ly/XnRhrZ

All References attached below:

"Number of protected waterways are now limited to 3 oceans, 97 lakes, 62 rivers" The 130-year-old Navigable Waters Protection Act protected every waterway in Canada http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/10/19/ottawa-navigable-water-protections-act-changes-anger-water-keepers.html

Fact: "Canada has over 2 million lakes, and over 8,500 rivers" http://www.biodivcanada.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=8BBDAD3A-1

For those who don't understand how navigation laws effect the environment, Transport Canada's own documents clearly recognize that one of the NWPA's goals is to ensure the "protection of the environment." which can be verified here:
http://www.marineservices.gc.ca/eng/rec/nav-serv.htm

"90 per cent of the lakes that will still be designated as protected are in 1% rich conservative territory -The list of lakes includes those surrounded by wealthy cottagers north of Toronto, in the Muskoka district of the riding held by conservative Tony Clement. Among them is Lake Rosseau, where Hollywood celebrities, business moguls and NHL stars perch on its banks. http://bit.ly/UQGIgr

Harper's first omnibus budget bill C-38, replaced the entire Environmental Assessment Act in order to "streamline" approval of major oil and gas pipelines. The 2011 budget slashed funding for Environment Canada by over $222 million with cuts specifically to departments dealing with climate change, clean air, waste management and water resources. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/26/canada-kyoto

First Nations chiefs across Canada disagree with several measures in Bill C-45 , protest and enter house of commons View Photo>> http://on.fb.me/R5SJ0E

Ipolitics: First Nations Chiefs take protest to doors of the House to oppose budget bill

"The issue here is with this omnibus legislation that it's going to strip environmental protection of lakes," Angus said after QP, referring to changes to the Navigable Waters Protection Act which remove thousands of lakes and streams from federal protection. "It's basically declaring open season on all parts of Canada, but especially on First Nation territory," Angus added. "No consultation. There's a real frustration. So the desire was for some of the leaders to be able to come in and actually say, wait a minute, how come you're pushing this through, this omnibus legislation, you haven't spoken to us." source: http://bit.ly/SvTUn2

First Nations chiefs disagree with several measures in Bill C-45

"They are frustrated with what they say is a lack of consultation over measures in the bill. The most contentious changes are those to the Navigable Waters Protection Act, which remove thousands of lakes and streams from federal protection under that law. Opposition parties say that removes environmental oversight of these waterways and the manner in which the law will continue to be applied is haphazard. "Important lakes and rivers in my region are being stripped of protection," said MP Glen Thibeault" http://bit.ly/UhOQzW

Omnibus bill changes anger water keepers

"Those who monitor waterways in Ottawa and across Ontario are upset changes stated in part two of the federal government's proposed omnibus budget bill do not protect navigable bodies of water in Canada.
Number of protected waterways would be limited to 3 oceans, 97 lakes, 62 rivers." http://bit.ly/RbIOBO

"Under the new Navigation Protection Act, only 62 rivers and canals, and 97 lakes are deemed worthy of federal protection. That'll leave tens of thousands – over 99% of waterways unprotected. Of Canada's 37 designated Canadian Heritage Rivers, only 10 are now covered. Pipelines and interprovincial power lines are also exempt from the new Act." http://bit.ly/Syi6nm

"The most contentious changes are those to the Navigable Waters Protection Act, which remove thousands of lakes and streams from federal protection under Omnibus Bill C-45." http://bit.ly/11RjOFP

It's open season on Canada's waterway - "The Harper Government has decided that blanket protection for all bodies of water in Canada is no longer appropriate" http://bit.ly/VkyVlQ

"Right now the changes to the ( Navigable Waters Protection Act) will only include 97 lakes across our great country that will be protected. That means any proponent of a project that wants to build a dam, a bridge, or even dredge up their front yard if they're on a lakefront property, can do so without actually having to get an environmental assessment. This is a continuation of seeing the Conservatives continue to gut environmental assessments, to continue to gut the protection of wildlife habitats in our natural areas," MP Glenn Thibeault said. http://bit.ly/UI5lf2

Harper government scraps 3,000 environmental reviews on pipelines and other projects
http://bit.ly/Oz6mR0, http://bit.ly/ST8DdI

The harper government reduced the number of departments and agencies that can do environmental reviews from 40 to just 3 to speed up approvals for projects.." http://bit.ly/IF8hwN

CBC News: Harper government budget bill erodes waterway protections

"The act now provides a list of federally protected waters — three oceans, 97 lakes and 62 rivers. Any waterway not on the list that could be affected by a dam, pipeline, mine or bridge won't be protected by federal law."

"Proposals for big pipelines and interprovincial power line projects will no longer have to prove they won't damage or destroy navigable waterways in Canada, under changes introduced by the harper government. These big projects are exempt under the new navigation protection act proposed in the harper government's second omnibus budget bill. The new act would replace one of the country's oldest laws, 'the Navigable Waters Protection Act'. It was established in 1882 and said that no one could block, alter or destroy any water deep enough to float a canoe without federal approval." http://bit.ly/TzY2Qr

Harper Tories' changes to Fisheries Act shock oceans advocates
Critics say leaked changes to the Fisheries Act could have "grave and lasting consequences" on Canadian fish and aquatic habitats.
http://bit.ly/Gzw6WF

WinnipegFreePress: Scientists across the world lash Harper government for pulling plug on Experimental Lakes Area (ELA)

"Scientists from Harvard University, the Smithsonian Institute, and other research centres are condemning a decision by the Harper government to shut down a world-class freshwater research program. A program called the Experimental Lakes Area, a region of 58 lakes near Kenora, Ont., that scientists have used for groundbreaking experiments, will be scrapped as part of Harper's budget cuts. Scientists are dismayed by the Harper government's move to wind down the Experimental Lakes Area in northwestern Ontario. Those cuts come with 40 layoffs in Winnipeg's regional Fisheries and Oceans Canada office. Many of those who are being laid off are biologists, chemists and other scientists who form the ELA's core." source: http://bit.ly/JEHati

Montreal Gazette: Canadian scientists are being silenced by Harper government - http://bit.ly/Vk7Wwg, http://yhoo.it/IodahS

Scientists shocked after Harper government assigns IT staff to monitor ozone data http://bit.ly/PCaNMS

Shared /researched by Derek @Occupy Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 03:43 PM

I am not racist. I never said the white man did not wage war, in more ways than many know, against the red man... quite the opposite. And as far as your statement that unusable land located hundreds of miles away from where any human ever ventured before could have been used or owned by the red man is preposterous. Your examples are as correct as they are tragic but they do not apply to every square inch of the earth.

Ya know, this discussion will go on with or without me, but, I just wanna ask ollaimh one last question before I take my leave... does the white man in Canada owe compensation to the red man In Canada for every tree the white man ever cut down in Canada? Opps... TWO questions... And, if so, who is gonna write the cheque? I am looking forward to you edifying me and correcting my ignorance on this issue as you so graciously offered to do. Thanks for your time and for your effort in this regard.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: ollaimh
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 12:17 PM

there are long standing and historic injustices committed against the natives of canada by the colonial state. they are unquestionable. the resodential schools were genocide according to any internationally accepted standard. the chair of the truth and reconcilliation commission has ststed such. this commission is itself deeply flawed and and example of the continuing lack of justice or equality for natives. the major churches continue to withhold documents about their genocidal schools, as does the government.

many years ago one chruch actually tried to sue ubc to destroy its documents. these were essential canadian historical records. luckily the president was one of those science trained people who simply said, we are a university, we preserve knowledge. sue us and be damned. the amazing arrogance to try and sue a university to destroy historical records because they were embarrassing. those ubc records, although not national comoplete, ultimately those ebc records were thre basis of the law suit abpout the residential schools. the fact that the government and church destroyed or withheld records, is the act of a totalitarian colonial state not a democracy. democracy in canada is only for white people. we are getting beter for many groups, and we aren't as bad as the united states where everything is directly or indirectly about race, but natives have been totally left out of the democratic system and have no equality on any issue. yes native groups have internal problams, but that's what happens in every colonial regime.

an uprising would be nice, but it's mostly rhetoric.

and gnu, read a book, you keep posting yopur wierd and uneducasted diatriabes that are completely based on racist ideas. i realize you are too ignorant to understand these things, but the idea that you a white man worked land that no native ever used is one of the main and salient racist tenents of racist states. they all calim that because they used the land differently than the previous residents then there was no one there. this is what white south africans used to say, the natives were nomadic so, presto they weren't really there, and in mointreal when maisioneuve arrived he founf the native village abandoned so he said presto, they abandoned the land for us!!(there had jut been a war between the algonquins and the mohawks). this is repeated world wide. islaelis used to claim that the desert they irrigated was never used by arabs so no one was ever there--again the arabs were nomadic.

well the natives of the maritimes were largely nomadic. to claims thast nomadic people weren't even there, because they don't live like us is the heart and soul of racism.

if you are uneducated and ignorante then ask people who know how thing work. one of the effects of the degeneration of north american culkture is any uneducated and ignorant person thinks their opinion is as good as anyone else's . weel gnu. its not. if you listened to intelligent people it might rub off. if you keep insisting your ignorance is as good as educated and intelligent ideas, then you will stay ignorant all your sad life.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 06:17 PM

9... kinda makes ya shake yer head, don't it? Now, I could continue my rant, in a way, but I think I made my point. At least, I hope I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 05:29 PM

The good and bad side of "human nature" is something all humans share, regardless of their historic backgrounds or bloodlines. 'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 05:23 PM

A major concern is what C-45 does to waterways and Native reserve land. I do not blame Indian people for being pissed off. I do wonder why more Canadians aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 04:41 PM

Look... the deal is this. The government is big money and big money is screwing every single one of us and OUR environment. But, if anyone thinks for one minute that any of our native brothers standing up and shouting that they own everything and they want it back and they know how to manage it all... that just pisses off the uneducated whites and even ME. It's not the way to go about change. And, until shit disturbers are taken out of the equation and real leadership is shown, the red man will NEVER get the respect he deserves. And neither will any whites that don't want want to get screwed over for generations by big money.

I dunno if I will ever get that message thru. So, maybe I'll just TRY, again, sorry, to bite my tongue and keep my mouth shut rather than reacting with simple emotion.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: gnu
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 04:18 PM

Well, I guess I am gonna have ta try ta bite my tongue harder than I ever bit it before. I have seen the white man and the red man up close and personal... hunting, fishing, lumbering, mining... I am one generation removed from scratching an existence out of the poor soil and fly infested bog country where NO red man ever stepped (and I have one HELLuva story about THAT alone!). I respect real men, be they white or red or yellow or black or purple polka dot. But this "rally the troops and stand up" and say "Enough of seeing our mother earth stripped, raped, and demolished in the name of progress and energy consumption. Enough of this colonial state of being. Enough of..." WTF???

I have seen enough shit from both sides to fill an entire thread more than once. I hope this shit disturber is shunned by my native elder brothers or at least toned down a notch to reflect reality. Young men are easily led by shit disturbers and this is just one more slap in the face of real men... white, red, black... you get my drift.

If this guy wants to help his native brothers to the north, he is welcome to investigate the corruption of the leaders of whites and reds over recent history. THAT is what NEEDS to be done. Not an "uprising". That's just some guys, whites and reds, trying to put some money in THEIR bank accounts. It's shameful.

And, no... I actually DID hold my tongue.

Subject: BS: Canada's First Nations Rising Up!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 02:34 PM

Watch out, World!
Watch out, Harper!

From Dallas Goldtooth:
"For those unaware, our First Nations brothers and sister up north are mobilizing on a national level to say NO MORE, enough is enough. It is a national campaign titled Idle No More.

Enough of seeing our mother earth stripped, raped, and demolished in the name of progress and energy consumption. Enough of this colonial state of being. Enough of this subjugated relationship. Enough of sacrificing our inherent sovereign rights in the face of federal bullying. Enough is enough. And so we stand up, united, on the streets, on the airwaves, on the internet, twitter, blogs, social networks.

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Here are two articles that show the reason for this call to action:

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/krystalline-kraus/2012/12/activist-communique-monday-idle-no-more-toronto-confront-ca

http://intercontinentalcry.org/harper-launches-major-first-nations-termination-plan-as-negotiating-tables-legitimize-canadas-colonialism/

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I stand in solidarity with my northern relatives. Idle no more. Idle no more."