FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?

Subject: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 24 Oct 00 - 11:46 PM

Camp Ramblewood has a couple of open weekends for next Fall's Getaway--if we make our decision quickly.

September 14-16, 2001
or
October 26-28, 2001

Mudcatters who are likely to come to the Getaway are welcome to share opinions and give reasons for a preference in this thread, or send me a personal message, or e-mail me. (click to e-mail).

The decision needs to be made fairly quickly, especially if we want to nab the September dates. The decision of the judges is final.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:11 AM

Charlie:

Here are my thoughts, more as a FSGW member and Montgomery County School Parent than as a Mudcatter. The MCPS 2001-2002 school year calendar won't be out however until December or January.

The First two weeks of September are crazy crazy crazy with school stuff: Open Houses, Getting Ready, Back-to-School Picnics, etc.. We can barely manage all of the stuff as it is.

I would therefore much prefer the October dates. Nice Cool Weather. No Skeeters. The trees starting to turn. What could be better?

Jim Bunch / JAB

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:41 AM

I missed it. It sounded like a blast. I will try and go next year, and would prefer the October dates. Too much work-related stuff happening my way in September. JAB's point about no skeeters and cool weather makes October pretty attractive, too.

-chanteyranger

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 02:09 AM

I guess I prefer October. Might be a bit cold, but the fall colors should be at peak. Early October would be better.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: bbelle
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 03:09 AM

Me, too, Charlie, the October dates. It might be chilly but I'd rather throw on an extra blanket than have to contend with mosquitoes.

jen

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: annamill
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 07:30 AM

This October was so beautiful, but last year was rainy and oh so cold. I think Glenn and I would prefer October anyway though. The trip down was beautiful. Looking forward to next year.

Love, annamill

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 05:26 PM

October is always a crapshoot...you can have cold weather the first week and 70s later. I'd prefer Sept 'cause the craft show season is not such an issue, but I know how it is for others. I'll deal with it...(looks like the votes are already tending) I do hope we can figure out SOME venue in the camp that can be heated for late night sings. (We brought a heating pad, and having it under the blankets made sleeping about tolerable)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:40 PM

October, gives me a chance to spread out the music & for me it's the last hurrah till NEFFA in April. The winter is already cold enough. Barry

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: IvanB
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:49 PM

I was a day-tripper this year, but hope to work things out to spend more time at the Getaway next year (if not as a camper). The September dates are absolutely out, since we've already made commitments for that period, but, if it ends up being those dates, I'll certainly plan on 2002.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: MiriamKilmer
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:21 PM

I posted this to the wrong thread, so I'm posting again here.

Tim and I, who froze at night this past weekend, are voting for Sept 14 for next year even though that makes it very close to Journey's End (Labor Day Weekend in PA).

I wonder how many folkies who attend - or might atend the Getaway are cookie-phobics who should be on Don and Dolores Nichols' "Getaway" mailing list?

If you don't read the Mudcat Forum, please email me right away and...

Oh, all right, then, if you know a folkie who hates cookies, ask them if they want to be on the getaway list, and tell them to send a request to Don Nichols if you have his email address, or to me if you don't (since I didn't ask his permission).

The Getaway List is about - The Getaway! It's also about folkmusic resources on the Internet. Moderated, no spam allowed, very strict. It is just barely and rarely active at this point, but that could change.

Miriam A. Kilmer [e-mail]

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:58 PM

if you really hate 'cookies'...as in little bits of code which can follow you around the WWW, there ARE fairly easy solutions...you can turn 'em off completely, or, because they can be useful, like in Mudcat, you can selectively edit/accept them by the use of a 'guard' program like Naviscope, Proxomitron, AtGuard, or ZoneAlarm (probably the best)...it really works

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Oct 00 - 09:04 AM

I prefer Oct because of the foliage, lack of mosquitoes and because it's colder. (I had a very warm sleeping bag that I never even zipped up this year.)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Oct 00 - 09:13 AM

I would have a very difficult time coming in September. My vote goes to the October date. But the heat issue should be resolved.

Mick

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 00 - 12:08 PM

yep...the heat thing...there ARE ways to stay warm in bed...(no, not THAT way!...heating pads, sleeping bags and electric blankets!).....but staying warm enough to sing and pick without shivering is sort of important.perhaps electric space heaters in certain places?

(well...maybe 'that' way)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Ferrara
Date: 26 Oct 00 - 01:51 PM

When Charlie, Dolores et al were checking out potential camps, they did find a heated one, but. It had fixed bunk beds and could only sleep 101 people on the lower level bunks. At our age, do we want to be getting in and out of an upper bunk if we have to go to the bathroom in the night? Anyway it's not available for next year.

So, Charlie and I have been discussing ways to provide warmth in a legal, moral, nonfattening and environmentally safe way. May start another thread later on (maybe closer to the actual time).

Miriam, is the Getaway list a newsgroup? Where and what is it? (You may have provided this information, but if you did I wasn't smart enough to comprehend. Not the first time....)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: MiriamKilmer
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:23 AM

The getaway list is a simple moderated email list - not a newsgroup - managed and moderated by Don and Dolores Nichols. That means that members get messages in their own private email boxes, and they can respond to the whole list. Don or Dolores gets to decide whether the messages are sufficiently focused for the list. To join, you have to tell Don or Dolores that you want in.

It started out as "Netaway" but Don changed the name after getting swamped with spam.

For many years (long before Gore invented the Internet) my own motto has been "Never refuse a cookie." But some people have had unfortunate experiences with the digital kind. I will tell them about Bill's 'guard' program solution to the cookie problem.

For their sake (not mine) - is it possible to read and respond to Mudcat Forum threads as a guest without accepting cookies (i.e. if you have them turned off?).

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 11:35 AM

Yes

Spaw

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 12:15 PM

Catspaw, does that mean you're thinking about coming?

Bill & Ferrara, I downloaded the ZoneAlarm program when Bill first posted the link, and I'm very glad I did. (I haven't a clue why I go to one page and it tries to download 20 cookies - the sponsors must be doing marketing research or something. One thing I'm sure of is they don't do much to "enhance my browsing experience." Bah!) I had one IP try to dump a data packet on my computer. I don't know what the heck that was for, but I sure didn't want it.

I've got ZoneAlarm and MSIE set to ask me if I want to accept the cookies. I can accept Mudcat's (which has a reason for being there) and decline most of the others.

Miriam, yes it's possible to post to Mudcat without accepting a cookie. That's what all the "GUESTS" are doing.

One suggestion: get a golf cart to help folks who don't get around so well. I don't know if that's "do-able" but thought I'd mention it anyway.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: bbelle
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 01:08 PM

Can we bring space heaters? Turn them on when we're around; turn them off when we're not? I was toasty at night, thanks to sheets and blankies provided by Rita and Bill. But I froze at the chow hall on Sunday night and finally had to go to the cabin and crawl under the covers to warm up.

And, thank you, Dani, for the towels and pillows. It sure made a big difference in what size bag I had to tote around!!

The days were warm and beautiful. Longsleeve shirt weather, but a wonderful change from North Florida. G-d was looking out for us, definitely.

But, I do think space heaters are the answer. Or battery-operated heated socks and underthings.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 02:37 PM

No Jeri....I was just answering a question regarding posting that Miriam asked. As to next year, there's no way I can know at this point.

Spaw

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: bbelle
Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:29 PM

We need muffs to keep our hands warm.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 09:43 PM

Save the weekend of October 19-21, 2001!

Beyond this thread, I'd sent out an e-mail to loads of people (everyone who cam who had e-mail that was entered correctly enough that it didn't bounce as undeliverable)--and the consensus seems to be for October, with a few exceptions. The main objection to October is the possibility of cold, but others prefer October weather (fall leaves, no summer humidity, no mosquitoes, etc.) with only a few conflicts.

I asked the camp if they'd have the third weekend of October available--equivalent to this year--and they said yes! It should be a tad warmer than the fourth weekend. So I've put in for the weekend of October 19-21, 2001. Mark your calendars!

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: bbelle
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 10:04 PM

Charlie ... you are a prince and a scholar. Thanks for deciding on the dates so soon. Sure does make it easier for me in planning my vacation time. And I love October and the fall colors.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: p.j.
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 10:11 PM

Great Charlie! And thanks again to you, Rita, and everyone who worked so hard to make it a wonderful camp.

Can't wait to see you all next year! (I plan to bring a fireman with a large moustache to keep me warm...)

pj

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Dani
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 10:38 PM

PJ, are you sharing or deserting us?

Dani

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Tinker
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 10:39 PM

Thanks Charlie,
Put that in Past,Present and Future Tense Please

Tinker

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 10:52 PM

YAAY! I can still get **both** my folk and filk fixes!

And let me echo PJ's sentiments and thank Charlie, Rita, and the rest of the crew for all the hard work on the Getaway. I've co-run several filk conventions; I **know** how hard planning and executing these events are!

-- Gary

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: GUEST,Nancy King
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 12:11 AM

Good work, Charlie! I can hardly wait!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: annamill
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 08:03 AM

When do we sign up?? **BG** ;-)

Love, annamill

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:35 AM

p.j., will there be a gorilla suit and fishnet stockings below the moustache? Could feel itchy.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:52 AM

Well I ain't missing this for another year even if I have to get a dishwashing job in Washington to afford it!

Rick

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:05 AM

Hey Rick, let's meet along the way and go together.

Mick

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:06 AM

Or better yet, get Bonnie, Peter, Tony and the crew to all go together.

Mick

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Ferrara
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:16 AM

And, Jeri, Charlie has already suggested golf carts or an equivalent.

Camp Letts was heated, and there was a working fireplace in the dining hall at Prince William Forest Park, so we have never before had to hold late night sings in an unheated room in the cold. We want to plan for that as best we can. (The fireplaces at Ramblewood are very old and it would cost a bundle to bring them up to code, so we can't use them.) So -- any suggestions? Whatever suggestions we think of will have to be OK'd by the camp.

Maybe they'll warm us 150 hot bricks to put under our feet.... Or hot potatoes? We can eat 'em for a late night snack when we're done singing. OK, let's hear some more suggestions. We can't all share Pam's fireman.

We're sending out feedback questionnaires with this year's directory of Getaway attendees. So you can help a lot with the planning for next year if you send 'em back to us!

BTW, one reason for moving to Ramblewood was to allow us to have more people at the Getaway. It has occurred to me that, mostly, only people who have already been to the Getaway read these Getaway threads. So, if you know people you think would love and appreciate the Getaway, tell 'em about it when you see 'em at Mudcat gatherings, NOMAD, etc.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:21 AM

Rick & Ontarioans:

QEW, Cross at Niagara
New York Thruway East to Rochester
I-390 South to NY 17, then NY 17 East to Painted Post
US 15 South through Williamsport, PA to Harrisburg, PA
I-83 South through York, PA toward Baltimore, MD
MD 136 East until it ends at US 1 near Darlington
US 1 North to the last right turn before the Conowingo Dam
Right on Shuresville Road to a left on Silver Road to the camp.

There are a couple of shortcuts /alternates, particularly near Williamsport, Harrisburg, and the stretch from York to Darlington

Or fly.

We'll see you there.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 10:48 AM

Ya got a deal Mick. I'm goin' down to New England again in 4 weeks for some gigs, but next year I'll definitely book a tour that'll take me near the gettaway at the right time.

Rick

p.s. Thanks Charlie. by now I know some shortcuts that even the Yanks haven't heard of. Ever been through Herrings NY.?

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 01:51 PM

Would someone post an update with all of the info for this, please? I went to the website and each time I clicked on the Oct. dates, it took me to the June 2nd message about there being NO festival at Camp Echo.

I've figured out it will be at Ramblewood, Obt. 10-21, right? Would like to know more about accomodations, costs, if it's too soon, too late to sign up, etc.

My sister, "bet", would be able to take the time and fly out and Rog and I are looking at maybe trying to drive, with side visits to our son and Spaw. A long shot, maybe, but one we want to explore, at least.

thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:12 PM

nawww, you ain't ....it hasn't even been advertised yet...lots of time. We'll get info up as soon as we know something..(but it is nice to keep the 'idea' in folks heads who might make it)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Fortunato
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:38 PM

We'll see you all there.

Chance

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:40 PM

The dates are, fer sure, Oct. 19-22, 2001. It's still too soon to sign up, because we haven't announced the prices yet. They will be similar to last year's prices, and will depend onhow long you stay and whether or not you're a member of (or join) the FSGW. Give us a few more weeks to ratify prices. Mudcat will be among the first to know--prabably ahead of the FSGW, if history is any guide.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:50 PM

Phew! As organised as ya'll are, I was afraid we'd missed the deadline or somesuch!

Thanks!!

kat

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jun 01 - 02:56 PM

funny how it LOOKS organized when it works...*grin*..

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: annamill
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 12:50 PM

Kat!! Are you coming??? Wow! it will really great to meet you at last. Honey and I will be there fer sure!

Love, Annamill

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 01:03 PM

guess that means I better start planning on this, eh?

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 10:45 PM

Well, I can't wait for this one. I hope this is the biggest yet, in terms of Mudcatters attending. You will love the FSGW people. They are wonderful hosts, and the programs are first rate. And there are fish in the pond, and bigger fish in the River. Tunes, food, songs, gatherings, Mudcatters..........and then we will all hang out until Tuesday and do the Mudcat Radio show......don't get no better 'n that. I will be there................and Rick, you said earlier in this thread that we had a deal......still on? Let's try to get a sizable Toronto contingent.....that would seal it as a great gathering.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 11:06 PM

Annamill, I don't know for sure and won't for another month or so, BUT I am sure going to try and so is my sis! I'd really love to do this, if at all possible! Thanks!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 11:24 PM

you know, what with folk-type music not exactly #1 on the charts, and the *ahem*...'aging' of the average folkie, the Getaway had been showing signs of wear and a sort of lack of depth in recent years...(I have been going since '78). It is always good, but there were real problems with 'critical mass'.

This infusion of new people partially as a result of Mudcat has been a real shot-in-the-arm, and allows 'new' blood and new friends. We have always had many friends from up & down the east coast, but it is nice to broaden one's horizons.

I hope that this merging of 'locals' and visitors from afar continues to be happy and productive. We are always tryig to figure out how to make the Getaway better.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jun 01 - 11:30 PM

Jeez, Bill, next thing ya know, they'll be looking for a star in the East.*big smile*

Sounds pretty kewl.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:12 AM

well, I hear Joe Offer found his way here by following a glow on the horizon...*grin*....but he's ALWAYS seeing those.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 2001-Which dates?
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jun 01 - 12:25 AM

Yeah...he's got stars in his eyes from staring at all those lighthouses!:-)