BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits

Subject: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 10:31 PM

Well, here is a very interesting radio interview with Ed Mitchell, an Apollo astronaut who walked on the moon for 9 hours on the Apollo 14 mission. He discloses information about alien visitations to the Earth in about the last 60 years, the crash at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, the resultant coverup at the highest government levels, and the present fairly strong indications that the USA and UK governments may be moving cautiously toward full disclosure. A number of other governments such as Mexico, Brazil, France, and Belgium, for example, have already made such disclosure of their certain knowledge of alien visitations to this planet.

As I say, it's very interesting. And very calm, sensible, and straightforward in presentation. Check the link:

Astronaut discusses history of alien contacts

Now, this won't budge the professional skeptic one iota. Oh, no. ;-) Nothing...short of full disclosure and a complete public admission by the ENTIRE ever-lovin' government and mass media of the USA can ever budge the professional skeptic, because he would rather do anything than change his established opinion...he'd rather die...but...shrug! Who cares? What difference will it make in the end?

I am pleased that some national governments have been honest enough to make disclosure of their knowledge regarding alien visits. I am pleased that Ed Mitchell has spoken publicly on the matter. Good stuff. This is real progress, and it's good to see.

One more step on a long, long journey...and a bigger step in its implications than that first step on the Moon, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 10:38 PM

I think they come here for a laugh or a bad example -- or both.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 10:39 PM

I think it's a real pity that Text versions of this kind of thing are not available. I just can't UNDERSTAND the 'noise' I am hearing.

Sorry,
From the Hearing Impaired

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 10:42 PM

Ed Mitchell has been saying this for many years....well spoken, but no more than some of the skeptics.

He 'saw' things that other astronauts in similar situations did not.

Honest men can differ...

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 10:43 PM

Don't underrate us, Rapaire. Although we are still a violent and immature civilization in a number of respects, we are also a hell of an interesting bunch of people. If I was out there in a superior technological civilization and looking at the Earth...I'd be very interested! And I would be desirous of some direct contact or at least some careful indirect observation of those remarkable homo sapiens. I'd also be pretty damned careful how I went about it. Not a good idea to be taken prisoner by such people. ;-)

Here's a further interesting video from Edgar Mitchell. Poor film quality, but good content to listen to.

Edgar Mitchell on Roswell

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 11:10 PM

He has also stated some very cogent reasons why they would have covered up things like the crash at Roswell.

#1. They did NOT want the Soviets to know anything about it. They felt that if the Soviets were out of the loop, then so much the better...specially if the Americans had some recovered alien equipment to investigate which they could perhaps successfully back-engineer. This could provide the USA with an unbeatable advantage in the Cold War.

#2. They did not know for sure what the aliens' intentions were...or their technical and military capabilities...or whether our military could effectively defend this planet at all if the aliens had hostile intentions. (which it seems quite clear by now that they do not)

#3. No national military under those conditions of deep uncertainty about unknown alien technologies would freely release the information they had about such a situation. It would remain absolute Top Security until they knew for sure that they could handle the situation.

And it has remained so.

#4. Once you have publicly denied something there is a very strong impetus to continue denying it...for obvious psychological (and legal) reasons. This is as true of governments as it is of individuals.

Anyone who tells a string of public lies or evasions about something becomes ever more set on defending his past statements. We've seen enough evidence of that in our lives that I hardly feel I need to elaborate much on the point.   ;-) It is normal for officialdom to maintain a coverup once it has been decided upon at the top levels. It's very difficult for them to publicly reverse such a position.

It is clear from Ed Mitchell's interviews that this is something he has no doubt about (aliens visiting the Earth). He doesn't even get that excited about it, because he regards it as a foregone conclusion by now, and he bases that on the many highly reliable and experienced people he has known and spoken to in the military, the intelligence community, etc. He also regards it as a foregone conclusion that the aliens are not dangerous, and that full disclosure would create little or no panic, but simply a general public acceptance of that which is, frankly, not all that surprising in the light of what's gone down in the past 60 years.

That's how I see it too. Biiiiig surprise? By this time? Hardly. More like finally admitting that the elephant is indeed in the room, and has been for quite some time...and by golly, it's not a rogue elephant, and life as we know it is not about to end. ;-)

You will surely enjoy his videos if they don't trouble your favorite established view of things. You will probably feel that you must discount them, explain them away somehow or pay them little further attention if they do trouble your favorite established view of things.

Unless, that is, you are willing to change an established viewpoint! Some people are.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: John O'L
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 11:23 PM

I suspect the aliens are keeping an eye on us to make sure we don't start screwing up someone else's living space.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 11:34 PM

Rapaire, if you haven't read them, you would probably really enjoy "Waiting for the Galatic Bus" and "The Snake oil Wars" by Parke Godwin. Brilliant and funny!

Thanks, LH, for the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Aug 08 - 11:54 PM

I do suggest you read the works of Jerome Clark.

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:52 AM

Astronaut Gordon Cooper has something to say about it, too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Fiolar
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 07:48 AM

Folk may or may not believe in "aliens". There are some interesting items in the Bible which may or may not refer to them. One of the ones I found quite intriguing was when Jesus said , quote - "In My Father's House there are many mansions". unquote. It might be that He meant "mansions" to mean "civilisations" and "House" to mean "universe".

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 08:51 AM

So, as a result of this "amazing" interview I now know that these 'alien visitors' are humanoid.

What I don't know are:

- Where in the Universe they came from.

- How they managed to cross interstellar voids.

- Why they decided to visit us.

- If they have communicated any information and what form(s) the communication process took.

- How far in advance of the human race they are.

- How likely it is that such visitors would display humanoid form.

- If there are any other humanoid and non-humanoid species out there.

- Why, having made such an enormous, and no doubt expensive, effort they have allowed themselves to be rendered invisible by an organisation as relatively puny (in their terms) as the US Government.

I still think that the field of 'UFOlogy', as opposed to (speculative) exobiology, has more to do with religion and paranoia than it does with a genuine interest in alien intelligence.

Oh yes, it's not a question of BELIEF (I'm not religious so I don't consider 'faith', or lack of it, to be relevant), it's a question of EVIDENCE - and anecdotal evidence, even that of an astronaut, is not sufficient to convince me.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 09:04 AM

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that life, including intelligent life, exists elsewhere in this galaxy much less in the entire universe. It may very well have visited, even be watching, this insignificant planet located in the boondocks of a wing of a spiral galaxy.

The question is: Why?

A civilization advanced enough to develop an interstellar drive -- and that isn't an easy task (ask any physicist or aerospace engineer) -- would be advanced enough to do any number of other things, including some very unpleasant ones (for us).

Perhaps the Vogan bulldozers are waiting...or "Childhood's End" is correct. I don't have enough evidence to decide.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,wRarrer
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 09:21 AM

It is an expensive vacation, no doubt about it, but it is a once in a lifetime trip and those who have visited here are never the same again.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: 3refs
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 10:41 AM

Little Hawk. Did I hear you recently on Coast to Coast?

Rome(Vatican)has also stated that the existence of E.T's in no way diminishes God.

I wince when I hear of the "Greens", "Grays" and "Reptilians". I guess I'd like them to be more angelic. But I do believe!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 11:41 AM

Going on a step further on Rap's post............

All of that is a possibility. The concept that the UFO folks need to grasp is that the likelihood of "humanoid" type life forms is extremely slim.

Life only begins once in any particular place and time, or at least that's the currently accepted theory. As it were, we happened to gel from a specific order of four amino acids as y'all know. But there are far more than four and its likely they exist elsewhere. Maybe somewhere else 2 or 6 or 12 lined up and started something totally unlike us. Or perhaps life started in a way we know nothing of here. I mean it hasn't been all that long ago we discovered how OUR life forms were created, all fairy tales aside.

And if life did begin and develop elsewhere through some other DNA type combination or an unknown means, then it follows that the life form created would be something different than us. Its quite possible the "alien" would share absolutely no traits with us. So maybe they've already come. Maybe they're here now. But consider this, just in case you want to feel even more insignificant............

The alien may be so different that we fail to recognize it as any form of life. Conversely, it may not recognize us either.

The why of their coming would also be beyond our comprehension.......as are most things......like WalksaboutVerse or Josef Mengele..............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:00 PM

Hi. No, you didn't hear me on Coast to Coast. ;-) Must've been someone else you heard.

My guess is that there are a number of different groups of aliens capable of interstellar travel (using technologies much different from our own) and that they probably differ quite a bit from one another in physical appearance. It would simply likely that they would, after all. But it's simply my best guess about the matter. The aliens at Roswell, by all accounts, seem to have been basically humanoid in appearance, but smaller than we are, more or less hairless, with rather different eyes, facial features, and so on.

Shimrod - I didn't find the interview "amazing" (though the radio interviewer clearly did). I found that it merely confirmed a bunch of stuff I've considered extremely likely for about the last 4 decades. Not a big surprise to me, but I'm pleased that Mitchell spoke out about it.

In regards to your questions:

"What I don't know are:

- Where in the Universe they came from.

*** No. None of us are in a position to know that. How could we know it? Ed Mitchell said himself that it is not known where they are coming from. ***

- How they managed to cross interstellar voids.

*** Same problem. How could we possibly know how they do that? As an analogy, how could some primitive Pacific islanders in a jungle know how one of our modern airliners is able to fly over their islands at 30,000 feet altitude? We know something they don't, correct? The same may be true of other intelligent civilizations in regards to us. ****

- Why they decided to visit us.

*** Because we're here and they can! (grin) Look, if you can go somewhere, you do. We humans have gone just about everywhere conceivable on this planet by now, and we have even made a few short trips beyond it by now for one simple reason. We CAN. Our curiosity does the rest. The desire to explore and make contact is natural. ****

- If they have communicated any information and what form(s) the communication process took.

**** If there is a coverup, then the people engaging in that coverup are the ones who have that information. ****

- How far in advance of the human race they are.

**** If there is a coverup, the people engaging in that coverup are the ones who have (some of) that information. ****


- How likely it is that such visitors would display humanoid form.

**** Who knows? No one here is in any position to have an answer to that question. ****

- If there are any other humanoid and non-humanoid species out there.

**** Who knows? No one here is in any position to have an answer to that question either, but it is an interesting question, for sure. If there is a coverup, the people engaging in that coverup may have some useful information about it. ****

- Why, having made such an enormous, and no doubt expensive, effort they have allowed themselves to be rendered invisible by an organisation as relatively puny (in their terms) as the US Government.

**** They have not allowed themselves to be rendered invisible. Many thousands of people worldwide have had these alien sightings (usually of the vehicles, sometimes of the occupants). I have had at least 2 sightings of my own of what certainly appeared to be alien vehicles. I have met a great many people, including professional pilots, who have had sightings of their own. There have been mass sightings over cities, some of those well documented at the time in the press. A number of prominent politicians and some national leaders have had personal sightings of what they believed were alien craft, and have told the media. At least four national governments (France, Belgium, Brazil, and Mexico) have by now openly admitted to the presence of alien craft that have been sighted by their military.

These guys aren't invisible!!! However, they have clearly not decided to visit us en masse with thousands of vehicles all on the same day all over the entire frikkin' planet in what would amount to an interplanetary invasion.....and I guess that is something you would not be able to call "invisible", isn't it? And they haven't decided to visit you personally, shimrod.

So is a thing you haven't seen yet personally or that hasn't happened on one day EVERYWHERE to be termed "invisible"? Or is it just something you personally haven't seen yet?

The fact that they have not invaded us en masse is interesting. It could indicate any number of things, such as...

1. Maybe we're not all that important to them. We could be interesting...but just not that important. Maybe their visits here are just a minor stop on a long trip to many other places.

2. Maybe they are far better developed in a moral sense than we are...and don't believe in invading and taking over other civilizations!

3. Maybe they don't wish to shock and demoralize our entire society, but would like instead to have open contact when and if our governments are willing to initiate open contact.

4. Maybe they think we're just too dangerous and immature to deal with at the present time.

Now, what you term their "invisibility" is not their invisibility at all. It is an official government policy at the highest levels to pretend they are not there and to get the mass media to cooperate in that pretense. The primary methods of that policy have been:

1. outright denial
2. ridicule of eyewitnesses
3. repitition of phrases like "little green men" in order to trivialize the whole issue and make a joke out of it
4. the deliberate planting of disinformation through promoting various really oddball theories and poorly done hoaxes in order to discredit the entire subject.

These things have been done, I think, because our military and intelligence people at the highest level are genuinely afraid of being confronted with something totally beyond their own capability, and they therefore wish to keep it secret as long as possible. It's natural that they would want to keep it secret. They can't control it. It doesn't mean they're evil...it means that they are typical human beings in a hierarchical structure and they are zealously guarding what they think of as their own security.

*****


I still think that the field of 'UFOlogy', as opposed to (speculative) exobiology, has more to do with religion and paranoia than it does with a genuine interest in alien intelligence.

**** You probably think that mainly because you have not had a sighting. *****

Oh yes, it's not a question of BELIEF (I'm not religious so I don't consider 'faith', or lack of it, to be relevant), it's a question of EVIDENCE - and anecdotal evidence, even that of an astronaut, is not sufficient to convince me.

**** Yes. Evidence. The problem is, you see, that if there is a coverup by the military and the intelligence community....then THEY are the people who have that evidence. Obviously. Who the hell else would be allowed to have it for long? Who came to Roswell, scooped everything up and took it away to some secret location? The military intelligence people. Who gets to see it? Nobody BUT the military intelligence people. That's a closed loop, shimrod.

So how are you, I, or the national media ever going to get to see any of that evidence if it is not released by the military intelligence community? They are the best friend that a skeptic could possibly have. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:06 PM

Well, aliens have definitely visited the Moon. Ed Mitchell was one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:16 PM

Right on, McGrath. ;-) I bet if there were any "Moonies" living up there that most of them would not presently believe in either the Apollo missions or Ed Mitchell....not having seen them at the time. It would be discounted as a wild story about...."little white men" Ha! Ha!

And they'd be asking: How did they get here? And why haven't they contacted us since? And how did they cross the void of space? And what likelihood is there that there's anyone else out there who can do something WE can't do??? Naw....couldn't be.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 12:58 PM

I have an open mind on alien intelligence, I really do!

I will be convinced that such creatures exist when:

- Evidence is published in a peer reviewed scientific journal (rather than broadcast in a rather dubious and uninformative interview on a crappy rock music radio station).

- Some world leader appears before the world's mass media with a real live alien ambassador.

Until such events, or similar, occur I will remain sceptical. And I will continue to harbour doubts over anecdotal evidence or even personal observation of (unidentified) lights in the sky.

Finally, I continue to maintain that UFOlogists are far more interested in quasi-religion and paranoid conspiracy theories than they are in actual aliens.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 01:16 PM

"- Some world leader appears before the world's mass media with a real live alien ambassador"

You do know, don't you, that the first thing that would happen with that "real live alien ambassador" would be that s/he/it would be incarcerated/isolated/imprisoned for study and analysis. Earth's record isn't clean or trustworthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

Correct. The unfortunate alien ambassador would not meet the world's media, he would go straight into a military intelligence lab as Ebbie suggests. This is not a friendly planet. It is a planet filled with fools who are constantly building terrible new weapons and fighting wars against each other.

The world's public, in general, is inclined to be friendly with other races of beings if given half a chance, but they are not in charge of the military intelligence community. It is in charge of itself.

I don't know whether UFOlogists are more interested in "quasi-religion and paranoid conspiracy theories than they are in actual aliens". Some might be. I think what the majority of them are more interested in is finding out more about the various sightings, hypothetical alien craft and occupants thereof. That's what I'm more interested in, but I don't describe myself as a "UFOlogist". I describe myself as an interested person who has had a couple of sightings. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 03:29 PM

A lot of people are abandoning the study of UFOlogy, and are taking up the subject of "exopolitics" in its place. This is because they have moved past belief and are now working with information given to them by high ranking government people (and formerly high ranking government people) and aviation professionals and scientists.

It is now possible to do graduate studies in exopolitics at McGill University in Montreal.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 03:35 PM

......like WalksaboutVerse or Josef Mengele..............

hahahahahahehehehehehahahahahaaaa... you made me cry this time... hehehehehe

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 04:03 PM

"Correct. The unfortunate alien ambassador would not meet the world's media, he would go straight into a military intelligence lab as Ebbie suggests. This is not a friendly planet. It is a planet filled with fools who are constantly building terrible new weapons and fighting wars against each other."

Yes, we are a sinful race and up there in heave .. sorry, outer space, there are angel.., sorry, aliens, who will descend to Earth in their celesti .., sorry, silvery craft - and save us from ourselves.

Sorry, I kept mis-typing there - now where did I put that metal foil, anti-mind-control helmet?

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 04:11 PM

I think, after it becomes impossible for people to deny any more the existence and presence of life from other planets, all of the people who have been going on and on about tin (metal) foil helmets should be forced to wear one whenever they are in public for the rest of their lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 04:16 PM

I have to correct what I said about McGill. They have a program they are calling exopolitics, but it's actually a part of their arts program and is more related to science fiction in film and television.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 05:10 PM

About the tin hat brigades.

I don't think they should be ridiculed for believing that there may be intelligent life on other planets. There are possibly trillions of planets. It is quite probable that some have intelligent life.

I don't think that they should be ridiculed for thinking that intelligent life may have the ability to come here. There may be natural laws beyond Einstein's that we have not begun to explore. Its probable that on some of those planets the technology is so advanced that we would be mere termites building our mud mounds in comparison.

I don't think that they should be ridiculed for thinking that such beings would have an interest in our insignificant planet and come here to look around. We study lower forms of life, right down to bacterial and viruses why not they?

I think it gets a little questionable when they link that these alien intelligences are beaming signals into their brains. But who are we to question the techniques of a society so much more advanced.

No what the tin had brigades should be ridiculed for, if they believe in these super-technological beings, is in thinking that the tinfoil would protect them.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Peace
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 05:14 PM

Bush heard messages from God.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 05:31 PM

>>- Evidence is published in a peer reviewed scientific journal (rather than broadcast in a rather dubious and uninformative interview on a crappy rock music radio station).

There is a problem with this. The media is afraid of ridicule. There is videotape of Cheney saying that he never said that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms. There is video tape of him making the statement he denies on "Meet the Press". The one and only television program ever to air those tapes back to back? The Daily Show.

I am skeptical about alien visitation. But no Little Hawk, not professionally so. But If I am convinced that they are here. It will much more likely be by direct experience than by professional publication. I'm convinced that on the order of 80% of the general population would have to be convinced before we saw any proof in "Nature", or even "Newsweek"

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 05:37 PM

"I think, after it becomes impossible for people to deny any more the existence and presence of life from other planets, all of the people who have been going on and on about tin (metal) foil helmets should be forced to wear one whenever they are in public for the rest of their lives."

I think that you are missing the point of my last post. It was satirical in intent.

I have NEVER denied the POSSIBILITY of extra-terrestrial intelligence. I happen to be very interested in such possibilities.

I repeat, I do not believe that UFOlogists are interested in extra-terrestrial intelligence. I believe that they are expressing quasi-religious beliefs and paranoid conspiracy theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 05:48 PM

I guess the question then is when the term "UFOlogist" is used in this context, who is being called a "UFOlogist"? Is it only those who call themselves UFOlogists, or is it intended to refer to anyone who participates in discussions in threads like this one who think it's more likely than not that non-terrestrial life has visited earth? Or, as in the case of at least one participant in this thread, have said they, themself, have seen one or more UFOs?

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 06:11 PM

Yes, who the heck are these so-called UFOlogists anyway? I mean who are the ones who advise wearing tinfoil hats. I've never met such a person, but I have met an impressively large number of people who've had an unusual aerial sighting which they strongly suspect was an alien craft. None of them have been advising their friends to wear a tinfoil hat. ;-)

I think the tinfoil hat thing has probably been promoted by the same smartass people who promote the "little green men" cliche all the time...not genuine researchers or UFOlogists, but sewers of ridicule and deliberate disinformation intended to help discredit the entire field of alien inquiry...or just plain smartasses, period.

I don't use the term "UFO" anymore. I call them "AFOs". A UFO can, after all, be a bird, a balloon, an unusual cloud formation, an unidentified airplane, anything at all really that someone fails to identify. An AFO, well, that's something a bit more specific.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 06:17 PM

I don't know about aliens visiting planet earth, but here's one that left it back in 1993 and the place hasn't been quite the same since...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsKDbuCsTkk

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 06:24 PM

Cool. ;-) Well, I don't care for that sort of jazz music style too much, but I do enjoy hearing his philosophical perspectives. I see that the man has a real tinfoil hat too. He must be one of the very, very few to adopt such headgear.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 06:40 PM

Wasn't all this settled in 1970?

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 06:41 PM

I don't think that's tin foil. I think it's gold lame and sequins.

The guy who introduced him has scary hair.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 04:42 AM

Wasn't all this settled in 1970?

Thanks for that link! Classic stuff. I especially loved the bogus South Sea Islanders and their straw aeroplanes! I wonder, is this sort of apocryphal anthropology still current in the UFO community? And to what extent is the Extra Terrestrial UFO Hypothesis informed by the belief in Ancient Astronauts?

Keep watching the skies!

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 04:53 AM

I have an open mind on Alien Intelligence - Military and Political Intelligence, however, is another matter...

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 05:05 AM

"Yes, who the heck are these so-called UFOlogists anyway?"

Check the tin-foil hat for fit, LH!

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 05:12 AM

AFOs?

Awful Freaking Observations?

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Stu
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 06:23 AM

UFO researchers have actually contributed in an indirect way to some useful scientific speculation - their cataloguing of lights in the sky has led some geologists to believe that tectonic forces might be generating some of these 'earth lights' ( . . . or UFO's), and ball lightning is a common electrical phenomenon that has been added to the list of possible causes for UFO sightings.

My favourite theory is some are unknown species of animals living in the atmosphere which are visible under certain circumstances, have a look here and here. The best is the space worm filmed by the bald astronaut whose name escapes me.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: GUEST,freda
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 07:48 AM

LH, you mention other governments which have formally acknowledged UFOs m any further info on this?

freda (feeling very alien in taiwan airport, filling in time til my connecting flight home)

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 10:41 AM

Spaw is absolutely correct: the development of life elsewhere probably did NOT follow the same path as on Earth. For example, silicon/oxygen instead of carbon/oxygen is possible, the problem being the excretion of SiO2, a solid we call "sand", instead of CO2, a gas; this is not insuperable however. There are other possibilities as well: fluorine, chlorine, and other reactive gases plus a solid (although I wouldn't want to visit with a fluorine-based life form!).

We conceive of "aliens" in our own image, man or "monster". They may be completely beyond anything we can conceive, just as we may be beyond their conception.

I've long thought it would be interesting if all intelligence evolved at roughly the same rate and achieved space flight at roughly the same time....

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: quokka
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 11:57 AM

wonder how a meeting between Ed Mitchell and the people who think the moon landings were faked, would go... love to be a fly on THAT wall...maybe that deserves a new thread! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 12:27 PM

They met with Gordon Cooper and he kicked them out. Literally.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:40 PM

It's my understanding, Freda, that France, Belgium, Brazil, and Mexico have officially acknowledged incidents involving what they assume to to alien craft, but I don't have a whole lot of information on that, just a snippet or two from a couple of those interviews with Edgar Mitchell. I know that there were some remarkable sightings in Mexico in the last couple of decades and that the Mexican Air Force was involved and got a good look at what they assumed had to be alien vehicles (in flight). Not being a UFOlogist, I can't offer any more details about it at the moment. ;-) This is not a fulltime pursuit of mine, just one of a great variety of interests, that's all.

I guess try a Google search for "UFO" + "Mexico"...etc...and you might find some interesting stuff.

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Spaw's suggestion that another form of life might differ from us so much that both we and they didn't even recognize each other AS life was an interesting one. It's occurred to me too. For instance, what if you had a form of life for whom time was very different? Suppose they had a lifetime of 50,000 years, but to us they appeared like a rock? We would never see them move. They would never see us move, because we move too fast for them to see. ;-D In a case like that you would sure never have any mutual awareness, would you? And what if there were beings living at a different frequency, such that they were like phantasms to us, and we were like phantasms to them? Again, no real possibility of any direct contact. Now let's make it really gross...let's say that these phantasmal beings looked a lot like the things in the comic Cheech Wizard, and there was one particularly egotistical one that walked around all the time with a huge hat concealing his features, f*cked the females of his world constantly and indiscriminately like a deranged Billy Goat, and bullied and dominated all the other males of his race! If this were the case, then I submit that being unable to make contact with those beings would be a very good thing.

Yo, ho, ho, and a bubble of gum. ;-D

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Von Daniken's movie is still fun to watch. He was one of those people who is so in love with his theory that he wants to make everything in the world fit into it! As such, he tends to take it considerably too far, but he still might have been onto something. I think there's a very good chance that if aliens are visiting us now (and I think they are) that they have also visited us many times in the remote past. The human race may have had a great deal more interaction with aliens over the past 50,000 years than our historians suspect...or they may not have...I can't say. But it's certainly an interesting field of inquiry.

The human race may even have some genetic origins from entirely outside this planet, and homo sapiens may be an intergalactic speicies, not something which originated here. Now, wouldn't that put a different light on things? It wouldn't have to all go back to a dusty old set of bones in the Olduvai Gorge any longer. It would be a much bigger picture than that.

These are all possibilities. To simply laugh and reject them out of hand without further inquiry is to demonstrate that deep down you have a solidly religious belief of some kind, a faith which you don't want questioned by anybody....and you have picked up that faith from the secular authorities whose word you decided to worship as if it was the final word on the subject. (Priests don't just come in robes...they come in white lab coats too.)

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:43 PM

Don't simply dismiss UFOlogists. They have done a fine job compiling data that has been claimed over the years. Judgments and conclusions are few. Only is what is, what some say occurred, and how it might look after seeing what is there.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:49 PM

And to put another way, don't judge a shipment of several hundred good apples on the basis of a handful that have a worm or a bruise.

Subject: RE: BS: Astronaut Ed Mitchell on Alien visits
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 01:52 PM

I admire UFOLOGIST Jerome Clark a lot. Look seriously into his exhaustive volumes THE UFO BOOK---=ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE EXTRATERRESTRIAL

More than that, he is a serious multi-published critic of folk, folklore and all our music -- with important and serious observations.

Art Thieme