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BS: PMS Horror Stories

Kim C 01 Mar 01 - 04:42 PM
GUEST,Dancing Mom 01 Mar 01 - 04:55 PM
Clinton Hammond 01 Mar 01 - 04:58 PM
Barbara 01 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM
Jeri 01 Mar 01 - 05:19 PM
katlaughing 01 Mar 01 - 05:21 PM
tiggerdooley 01 Mar 01 - 05:28 PM
Clinton Hammond 01 Mar 01 - 05:35 PM
sledge 01 Mar 01 - 05:39 PM
tiggerdooley 01 Mar 01 - 05:45 PM
Little Neophyte 01 Mar 01 - 05:50 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 01 Mar 01 - 05:54 PM
Kim C 01 Mar 01 - 05:55 PM
Dave Wynn 01 Mar 01 - 05:57 PM
Ebbie 01 Mar 01 - 05:57 PM
tiggerdooley 01 Mar 01 - 06:02 PM
Metchosin 01 Mar 01 - 06:06 PM
Lyrical Lady 01 Mar 01 - 06:44 PM
katlaughing 01 Mar 01 - 07:04 PM
Amergin 01 Mar 01 - 07:30 PM
Barbara 01 Mar 01 - 11:07 PM
hesperis 01 Mar 01 - 11:26 PM
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Clinton Hammond 02 Mar 01 - 01:07 AM
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Subject: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 04:42 PM

Okay Hesperis, here we go.....

Don't wanna get out of bed and go to work, all I wanna do is eat Ice Cream or spicy chicken wings and put on my fuzzy slippers and go to sleep. And if you cross me I will either a) burst into tears or b)bite your head off.

Next?


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: GUEST,Dancing Mom
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 04:55 PM

MUST....HAVE....CHOCOLATE!!!


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Subject: PMS: THE Horror Storie
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 04:58 PM

Isn't MPS horror story enough!!??!!

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Barbara
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM

Here ya go, Kim, at least if misery loves company, this should be right up there. I dunno who wrote it, but the Juneau AK group Beer Break sings it. It follows a basic blues pattern, with parenthetical remarks spoken between lines.
Blessings,
Barbara

PMS BLUES
(from Beer Break)

Take this newspaper 'way, Garfield is making me cry (poor Odie)
And I'm ticked off at Peanuts, and I honestly can't tell you why
L M Boyd must be thick,
this news makes me sick,
I'm just a once a month derelict

CHORUS:
I've got the PMS blues Mister, I've got 'em bad
I've got the PMS blues, and it's making me sadder than sad
You best stay clear of me
Or you just might be
Today's first PMS casualty

Well, my reputation's ruined after what happened at the grocery store (put 'em up, put'em up)
I can still see that clerk lying passed out cold on the floor (you gonna fight like a man?)
Well, what can I say?
I mean, he got in my way
The hospital says he should get out any day

CHORUS

Well, my man is in hiding I know he's around her someplace (Willie, Willie, dinner)
The last time I saw him he had a terrible look on his face
He said: Babe you're my wife,
I hate to see you have strife,
But slow and easy hand over that knife,

CHORUS

Well, there's nothing left to do but sit around and eat and moan (moan)
I just know I'd feel better if my old dog would decide to come back home (Wooser)
I didn't mean to hit him,
I was aiming at the cat
Now they're all gone and I'm just sitting here getting fat

CHORUS

... I mean you'd best stay away, at least for today
You'd best stay clear or you just might be
today's first PMS casualty


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:19 PM

Barbara - Cosy Sheridan maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:21 PM

Motherwort tincture and dandelion root tincture, daily in spring water and you won't be feeling that way nearly as much...but then how do we get the chocolate**BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:28 PM

You start crying...you finish crying...you feel stupid for crying...God, you're so stupid...no wonder everybody hates you...you have nothing to offer the world...and you're fat...you start crying...you finish crying...
...and so on
Oh, go and write a song ferchrissakes!!!


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Subject: PMS
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:35 PM

Dave Foley (Kids In The Hall/News Radio fame) brought up an interesting point on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher the other night...

It's only been in fairly recent times that PMS has become a problem... before the advent of birth control and overly hormone-treated meat, women started 'cycling' later than they do these days... and they likley got pregnant earlier... and they were more likely to keep getting pregnant as their life went on... every time you get preganat that's a whole year off PMS (which in some cases is 2 weeks a month)... add that to the fact that women who are breast feeding don't menstruate either right (?)

Now I'm not advocating a return to 'barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen' at all, but maybe just maybe menstruating 12 times a year isn't what the human body was designed to do?

I donno... but I do know I'd rather put up with the pattern baldness and that prostate thing later on in life... You ladies got the short end of the stick, I'm pretty sure...


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: sledge
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:39 PM

Kim,

If I could, right now I would send you you choclate in great plenty if only to apologise for having testicles and not being able to appreciate what you and others go through.

(hershey's) hugs and kisses

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:45 PM

Can I have Kim's chocolate, too?
I've run out...
There's gonna be trouble!


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:50 PM

I thought for sure this thread would turn into a male bonding support group.
PMS really isn't a problem for me. But it sure is for anyone else who is within a 2 meter radius of my insane, hostile presents during those times. My only comfort is Godiva chocolate and solitude.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:54 PM

Hershey's Special Dark.

My SO calls it "Pack My Suitcase"

Suits me!


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:55 PM

Sledge, that is very sweet, thank you. :)

Tig, I'll share. I'm not that mean.

Mister is taking me out for barbecue and beer this evening. That may help some.

Clint, I don't believe that guy's remarks. Women have always had hormonal cycles, and there have always been women who didn't have children. It's only been in the last 20 years that someone put a name to the horrid symptoms some of us have at that time of the month, and I see there are some, like Mr. Foley, who don't take it seriously. and yeah, it is good to laugh about it, I think... but it's not funny when you're a crying screaming weepy mess for 2 weeks out of 4. And yes, women do menstruate while they're breastfeeding. Maybe not once a month - my friend said hers were about every six weeks. And if Mr. Foley thinks pregnancy doesn't come with its own set of hormone swings... well... I won't say he's an idiot but maybe someone else will.

Dolly Parton also has a PMS Blues song but it's different from the one posted above. Gosh I love Dolly...

Cheers---- Kim


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:57 PM

Well...my opinion (for what little it's worth) is that I think while it can be a pain having to pay it does benefit the artists and musicians this Performing Rights Society.

er...How does one join?

Spot


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 05:57 PM

The women one hears about with PMS, I believe, are the women who for some reason have a severe hormonal imbalance. Why, I've been a woman most of my life and I did not have that kind of time with it. (On the other hand, I pretty much sailed through menopause too, so I may just be among the lucky ones.)

Lest this turns into a thread where some posters say that with that kind of life a woman should not be trusted with running a country or a government, keep in mind that many men are so driven by their testeronal urges they can't be trusted either.

Maybe the answer is to start bringing our elders to the fore?

Barbara, I've never heard of 'Beer Break'- do you know any of the names of its members? With that song, sounds like it could include women. I've only been here in Juneau 13 years- Beer Break could be long gone. But it's also true that I don't know most of Juneau's rock groups, if that's what this one is. It's a small town but there seem to be boundaries.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 06:02 PM

Do they sell Walnut Whips in the US? If not, UK catters will know why they are my latest addiction. I buy three-packs now!
Oh yeah, and PMT stands for premenstrual tantrums (or it does in my case!) Honesty is the best policy with PMS. People still don't like a tearful angry Tigger screaming at them, but at least they know WHY!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Metchosin
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 06:06 PM

Clinton women have been doing this for centuries, it was just called by different names thats all...you know..the vapours..hysteria...*BG* Maybe females aren't supposed to have 12 menstral cycles a year biologically, but those that did eg. nuns, lived a hell of a lot longer than those in a constant state of pregnancy.

Aw poor dears! Used to know how you felt but now my mood is fairly up and constant. However, after being spayed, I now share the same trait as an old female dog, thick in the middle and a penchant for others garbage, fortunately I can find mine in thrift stores and not cans on the edge of the road.

Want me to let you in on a secret?......................I still like chocolate! So maybe you can't blame that obsession on PMS.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 06:44 PM

Definately chocolate! Today is my daughter's birthday and I found myself begging her to want a chocolate cake...didn't work :-( I always know when PMS is approaching. I get horrible headaches and I tend to 'post' like crazy for a few days. Oh Oh ... LL


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 07:04 PM

Well, Mets, me to, except for the garbage bit and my likening for chocolate has never swayed. Like you, even before I was spayed I never had problems with it. Menopause was pretty much a piece of cake, too, although I did use the herbs mentioned above for about a year.

I do think that if wimmin were allowed the time for their moon cylces, to go within, to be in solitude (if they wanted), etc. it would much more of a natural thing and not as tough to go through. Of course wimmin in the "olden" days didn't often get time off for it, but in certain tribal societies they did and also in the upper classes, as someone mentioned above, i.e. "the vapours" etc.

Susan Weed, in her book Childbearing Years: the Wise Womon Way, talks about the need to honour wimmin's moon cycles and need for nurturing, alone time, etc. She takes a look at it from positive aspects, as well as use of herbs for hormonal balance, etc. Also, Brooke Medicine Eagle has a wonderful tape out for young girls to learn about their moontime and how to cope in a loving, nurturing and positive way.

In general our modern society does not allow for this; I guess it's all part of that SuperWomaon thing, where we are supposed to be all things to ourselves and others. Personally, I think that sucks much more than any PMS.

I also do not like the negative connotations it has taken on, with the general public seeming to use it as a derogatory comment on a womon's beahviour, demeanour, etc.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 07:30 PM

Bonnie, we can always turn this into a male bonding thread if you desire....


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Barbara
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 11:07 PM

Ebbie, I have a buncha Juneau Folk Festival Tapes from my bro, who lives there, probably late 80's. When Ed Schoenfeld MCed them and ran folk shows on KTOO. Ask Ed or my bro, Jamie Brown in Lemon Creek. Beer Break was either all women (3) or two women and a man. I have them singing the Trout Fishing in America song "Breakfast Blues" too -- a nonstop song of bad, bad puns.
Or follow Jeri's lead and check out Cosy Sheridan on Waterbug, right?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: hesperis
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 11:26 PM

Well, I get time off for it, but I'm still a wreck. The PMS isn't too bad for me, I just feel like I've started when I haven't, and my legs go really weak, and I get SOOO tired suddenly. I used to crave corn chips, but since being treated for salt and corn, that is much better. I'm not fat, either, which helps. The problem is, I really bloat anyway, and I don't fit into my clothing. And it's really not see-able, I just don't fit anything that usually fits!

LOVE that song! ROTFLMWTTGUAFBISLTH!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Mar 01 - 11:49 PM

So Fiddlebum.....Where'd you go for Barbeque? Damn but at times I really miss Nashville!

Now I admit I'm no spring chicken anymore because I can remember when bacon, eggs, and sunshine were all good for you! I also notice a change in this whole menstrual thing over the years. It used to be that we allotted about 3 or 4 days for it, but then along came the discovery of PMS which stretched things to 10 days or more in some cases. Fortunately, as Blake Clark once remarked, when women got PMS, men got ESPN. The problem with that is that the legal system agreed that PMS gave women a license to kill. Unfortunately, ESPN gave them a reason.

Lately, I've heard that a new PRE-PMS thing has been found that extends the "death zone" to as much as 3 weeks! ESPN2 is not going to help either. I KNOW this is a problem and I'm overjoyed the male of the species doesn't have to go through it monthly, but uh...............How do y'all feel about Speedvision?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 12:27 AM

I am now getting a copy of all the "Quotes from a Perfect Man" which I found here at Certified Bitches.Com for future reference. Basically, I generally use the Blake Clark Method which only involves two short phrases to answer almost everything Karen asks at these times:

You're right

I'm sorry

I figured a few others would be nice though since I can get into REAL trouble by not being careful to listen. For instance, when she says, "I think this outfit makes me look fat," then, "You're right" is NOT the right answer.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 01:04 AM

Oh my gawd, Spaw, you are one twisted bitc...er, I mean bastar....well...you are twisted!! LOVE that site!! LMAO, Virtual Vibrators, indeed!!

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 01:07 AM

hey.. don't put too much into the words of Dave Foley... I only posted them as an interesting idea that might be a possible contributing factor... they should in no way be taken to be gospel truth, or even scientifically viable... I'm just making conversation folks...

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 01:45 AM

Clinton, you're actually more right than you realise. Most cases of PMS are because of estrogen dominance. That's when there is too much estrogen in relation to progesterone. Women get a lot of extra (laboratory produced) estrogen in meat, dairy products, and eggs, not to mention chemicals found in pesticides that connect to estrogen receptors in the body. But they don't get extra progesterone to balance out the extra estrogen. This leads to a hormonal imbalance that leads to PMS.

My PMS is much less severe, and sometimes even unnoticable when I use only organic dairy products and eggs, and I use a progesterone supplement cream (found in health food stores). I'm a vegetarian, so non-organic meat is not an issue for me.

The presence of these hormones in our food products is also responsible for the early onset of puberty that is common these days in girls as young as ten, and for increased rates of breast cancer in women and in men (doubled in the last decade or so).


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 01:54 AM

RIGHT!!!!!!!

She's right.

Another great book is WOMEN'S BODIES, WOMEN'S WISDOM by Dr. Christiane Northrup. An MD who saw the light, realized tradtional medicine was all skewed, and started a revolution.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 10:13 AM

Spaw, we went to a new place called the Smokehouse which is owned by a pard of ours. It's good food!

Carol I have seen this progestin cream --- what do you do with it exactly? I am a little unclear on the concept.

Cheers ----- KFC


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 10:43 AM

Hi, Kim.

You want to stay away from progestin. Progestin is a laboratory produced progesterone replacement, and it comes with unpleasant side effects, and some possible health hazards.

The best thing to use is natural progesterone, USP. (Pharmaceutical grade progesterone from plant sources, principally wild yam.) This form of progesterone most closely resembles the progesterone that is produced in a woman's body, and has no side effects or healt hazards. The main thing to keep in mind with this form is to find an amount that works for you, and to not use too much or to little.

You want to look for progesterone cream, and you'll want to apply it to your hips, behind, and stomach. With this method, it is absorbed into your fatty tissue where it is available for the body to use as needed. If you use a form that is taken orally, you lose most of it through the liver.

You can usually find this kind of product in good health food stores. Probably not GNC kinds of health food stores, but most other kinds should have it.

Good luck,

Carol


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 11:10 AM

Kim, there are going to be two varieties to choose from. One is going to come in a little jar like cold cream, and have a name that sounds like the right product, but what it is, is ground up yams. Wrong product. Not processed at all like the yam-based product Carol mentioned.

The one CarolC is talking about will come in a tube and cost about $20-25. One brand is ProGest. The other... I can't recall... but the key, as Carol said, is to look to see if it says it is USP grade, and it will specify the percentage of progesterone in the formulation. You can also do an online search for ProGest and go to a site that has it, plus lots of information.

I strongly recommend Dr. Northrup's book, though, before you start self-medicating. There is SO MUCH to know, and she presents it elegantly and scientifically but with a warm personal touch.

To the degree stress is a factor, progesterone alone will not do what you hope, because your adrenals will also be involved. (For more on that, see me.) The progesterone is supposed to work in close harmony with several substances secreted by the adrenals... they really need to be treated together, and seldom are. Each substance can inhibit or increase the production or uptake of the others, when they are out of whack.

It is likely that if the estrogen dominance is great, there also have been problems with irregular, dangerously heavy, or prolonged bleeding. Dr. Northrup's book discusses a gentle long term approach to head off the more aggressive approaches gynecologists will recommend. (One is this cream.)

Progesterone is also a big factor in pre-menopause and menopause. Large women especially often find their estrogen-progesterone balance going out of whack for the first time before menopause, because at that time the estrogen levels don't necessarily just start to drop. They can go up, down, up, down... pore lil ovaries kinda flame out, see. So some women are taking soy-based estrogens when what they need is to REDUCE dietary estrogens and increase progeseterone.

Ovaries are not the only source for estrogen either. The uterus itself produces some, and our body fat produces estrogenic substances also. This is one reason why big girls often have an easier menopause once it's underway for real-- their estrogen levels can only drop so far. Once progesterone is added, in these situations, a lot of the menopausal symptoms are greatly reduced.

Testing for these things, by the gynies, usually involves a blood test. Guess what. These are almost useless if you are attempting prevention and health, as opposed to diagnosis of a crisis. Saliva testing is much more sensitive, and can be done from home with a kit. (The people who have ProGest have these too.) You can test female hormones or those plus stress hormones.

But if progesterone is prescribed for any reason, the gynies will tend to forget to tell you that there is a natural, plant-based version in addition to the inexpensive synthetic. (Oy the side effects!!!!!!) So for anyone being told to take progesterone-- ask about Prometrium, which is yam-based USP realdeal progesterone without the side effects associated with the synthetic. If your pharmacy does not carry it they can order it easily. And don't be intimidated by a gynie who is humoring you on this, or tries to jolly you out of the more expensive natural form-- it makes a HUGE difference which one you are taking.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 11:49 AM

If you are concerned about getting extra doses of estrogen, I wouldn't discount the effects of phyto-estrogens such as that found in soy based products. As reported in the Lancet "babies fed soy-based baby milk take in such large amounts of estrogen-like chemicals found in soy beans, that they are exposed to doses six to 11 times higher than those known to have hormonal effects in adults, The concentrations of phyto-estrogen in babies given soy-based milk are 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than the normal estradiol concentrations for babies, and therefore, the researchers conclude that they must have some biological activity in the infant".


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 11:57 AM

wow. Now I'm overwhelmed.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 12:15 PM

Kim, it took me about three months to assimilate what I summarized above. That's why Dr. Northrup's book is so helpful-- small doses, at your own pace, with things relevant to YOU jumping off the page without a lot of distraction. A lot of health food stores are carrying it, and so are large mainstream bookstores like Barnes & Noble.

Sunlight is another factor.

Your body is very, VERY smart, and it's already telling you what it needs, you know... all you need to do is gather a bit of information with which to answer it. (Food cravings are one way of asking, and the book Food and Moodis also excellent for working with, not against, these.) If you want to PM me, maybe we can hear the rest of what your body is saying and asking.

Just keep this much in mind-- it can be MUCH BETTER than how it has been.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 12:20 PM

Part of it is I have been some depressed since my father died and the PMS thing just magnifies it. I do have a light box here at my office and have been using it once in awhile - it does help some. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Mar 01 - 12:37 PM

Kim, I receive the following newsletter via e-mail. It seems on target today, and I'm goint to paste the whole thing.

To the Mudcat Powers That Be-- I promise never to post something this long again. The truth is, the website from which it comes is so big, you can get lost looking for the stuff this thread has addressed. So I am not posting the link. I am, though, specifically recommending the newsletter, and the following does contain info on how to subscribe to it.

Here ya go ladies.

THE POWER SURGE NEWSLETTER March 1, 2001
A Free E-Mail Newsletter
of the Power Surge Women's Midlife and Menopause Community
http://www.power-surge.com
Dearest (Alice Stamm)
Founder and Facilitator
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Remember to feed yourself positive thoughts / affirmations.
"The vibes you give out come back to you!"

"It is better to aim at something and miss, than to aim at nothing at all and hit it."

"I'd rather be lucky than smart."

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BITS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EXPERTS
STUART SHIPKO, M.D.
Psychatirst and Neurologist
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This excerpt from last week's Power Surge Guest, STUART SHIPKO, M.D. Feb. 22, 2001

Dr. Stuart Shipko is a psychiatrist and neurologist, director of The Panic Disorders Institute ( http://www.algy.com/pdi ). Dr. Shipko's practice focuses on panic disorder, stress-related medical conditions, stress and trauma related disorders, psychiatric injury, psychosomatic medicine and general psychiatry.

THE EXCERPT:

Many women are being prescribed SSRI's (Seratonin Selective Re-uptake Inhibitors) -- commonly prescribed anti-depressants. These drugs are being prescribed for menopausal symptoms, other than depression without realizing the potential side-effects.

AUDIENCE: Please address the negative effects of SSRI's.

STUART SHIPKO, M.D. This is the topic of the day. The biggest drawback is that we have a huge discrepancy between what doctors are telling patients, and what patients are telling doctors. The list of side effects are long, but so few are told to the patient. Did you want to know about any specific side effects?

AUDIENCE: Yes, I am curious about Parkinson's Disease

STUART SHIPKO, M.D.: The SSRI's do reduce brain dopamine and they do cause Parkinsons in some younger people. The big question is what will it do to your dopamine in 20 years. We lose 60% of our brain dopamine in the substantia nigra (Park Center) by the time we are 65. If the SSRI's accelerate that, then we will see a lot of Parkinsons in former SSRI users. AUDIENCE: I have really strong angry emotions toward my husband, mostly about this fear of going outside the home and socializing. I, myself, call this anger jealousy that he has a life and I don't. Is this part of the change of life? I am taking Xanax 0.25 mgs twice daily and one amitriptyline25 mg. Am I taking enough?

STUART SHIPKO, M.D.: You need to work on this behaviorally but your medication dosages are on the very low side.

DEAREST: Dr. Shipko, emotionally, is it uncommon for a woman to resent her husband because she's going through a difficult menopause and he's not -- and often they don't communicate what they're each feeling through the transition.

STUART SHIPKO, M.D.: No, it is not terribly uncommon. They feel very misunderstood, and that leads to the anger.

View the complete transcript of Dr. Shipko's most recent visit: http://www.power-surge.com/transcripts/shipko4.htm

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Soy Isoflavones Reduce Bone Loss In Perimenopausal Women A DGReview of :"Isoflavone-rich soy protein isolate attenuates bone loss in the lumbar spine of perimenopausal women"
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American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
09/01/2000
By Elda Hauschildt

Isoflavone-rich soy helps reduce bone loss from the lumbar spine in women during the transition to menopause.

Isoflavones are found predominantly in soy products. US researchers note that these estrogen-like substances are structurally and functionally similar to 17 beta-estradiol.

A total of 69 perimenopausal women participated in a randomised, double-blind study. Researchers wanted to determine the effects of 24 weeks of consuming soy protein isolate with isoflavones on bone loss in women during menopausal transition.

Three treatment groups were compared. One group of 24 women consumed 80.4 milligrams per day of isoflavone-rich soy protein in the form of aglycone components. Aglycone components are the unconjugated parent forms of the isoflavones.

Another 24 women took 4.4 mg/d of isoflavone-poor soy protein, and 21 women were given whey protein (controls).

Bone measurements were taken at baseline and post-treatment. Both lumbar spine bone mineral density (BMD) and bone mineral content (BMC) were assessed using dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry.

Urinary N-telopeptides and serum bone-specific alkaline phosphatase (BAP) were done at baseline, mid- and post-treatment.

Lumbar spine bone loss (21.28 per cent) occurred in the control group. But there was no percentage change in lumbar spine BMD and BMC in either soy group.

Regression analysis showed that isoflavone-rich soy had a positive effect on change in BMD of 5.6 per cent and BMC of 10.1 per cent.

Baseline body weight and bone-free lean weight contributed positively to percentage change in BMD and BMC.

Serum BAP post-treatment was negatively related to percentage change in BMD and BMC. Investigators report that "isoflavones, not soy protein, exerted the effect."

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TALK TO OTHER WOMEN IN MENOPAUSE
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Join others in sharing their experiences with menopause on the very active Web site very active message boards.

http://www.power-surge.com/cgi-bin/mb.cgi

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NEVER LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR!
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TWO GENDERS DIVIDED BY A COMMON LANGUAGE!

A couple went to an intimacy retreat to explore their inner selves, share a new form of sensitivity to enhance their relationship. They were instructed to individually write a sentence using the words 'sex' and 'love' in the context of their relationship.

The woman intensely wrote: "When two mature people are passionately and deeply in love with one another to a high degree and they respect each other very much, like Bob and I, it is spiritaully and morally acceptable for them to engage in the act of physical sex with one another." And Bob wrote, "'I love sex!"

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THE FACTS ABOUT FLAX
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Flax is very high in lignans which have anti-tumor properties, antioxidants of 800 ppm and could mimic the results of Tamoxifen ---- the anti-cancer drug for breast cancer. Omega-3's lower high blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels by as much as 25% and 65%. Omega-3's decrease the probability of a blood clot blocking an artery. They are necessary for visual function, sperm formulation, brain development, and adrenal function.

Omega-3's also lower high blood pressure, and help to decrease allergic response, and may help inflammatory conditions with the diseases ending in ---"itis." Omega-3's lower the insulin requirement of diabetics and have been used in the treatment and prevention of arthritis.

Cancer --- omega-3's dissolve tumors and are being researched continually. Dr. J. Budwig in Germany, has over 1000 documented cases of successful cancer treatment using flax oil and lo-fat cottage cheese.

PMS and menopause ---Many cases of premenstrual syndrome and menopausal symptoms are completely relieved within one month of flax ingestion.

Flaxseed can also be helpful in multiple sclerosis (in places where essential fatty acid consumption is high, MS is rare); some behavioral problems (schizophrenia, depression, manic-depressive disorder); the oil in the seed has a calming effect under stress. Omega-3 fatty acids prevent excess toxic biochemicals which our bodies produce under stress.

Asthma can be relieved noticeably in a very short time (one week) of taking flaxseed(s) or oil.

Vitality is another one of the most noticeable signs of improved health from the use of flaxseeds. Athletes notice that their fatigued muscles recover from exercise more quickly and flax increases stamina.

Fiber is another important factor in our diet. The average person in America has a fiber intake of 8.75 Grams per day. To prevent certain forms of cancer, colon and or breast, a high fiber diet has been known to be beneficial. Flaxseed ground in juice or flaxseed oil, provide at least 20 Grams of fiber, plus the 8.75 gives you a total of 28.75. It has been reported that if you maintain between 25-30 Grams of fiber, it greatly reduces chances of colon and breast cancer.

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SAFE AND EFFECTIVE PHYTOESTROGEN OPTION TO TRADITIONAL HRT
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The one thing that eliminated my hot flashes, depression, fatigue, vaginal dryness, mood swings, lowered my cholesterol by over 100 points and generally gave me back my life the past two years has been Revival Soy Protein. I've seen Revival with its 150+ soy isoflavone count help not only me, but thousands of other women experiencing the typical symptoms of perimenopause. It's safe, effective and reliable at a time when everyone, even the medical community, is confused about hormone replacement therapy.

http://www.power-surge.com/revival1.htm

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IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE HORMONE THERAPY
THE OPERATIVE WORD IS "BIO-IDENTICAL"
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Power Surge doesn't advocate synthetic hormones. If you're dealing with a menopausal issue you can't resolve with other natural modalities and you want to try hormones, use only BIO-IDENTICAL, naturally compounded hormone therapy. Pete Hueseman, Pharmacist of College Pharmacy about will discuss low-dose compounded hormones with you and your physician. College Pharmacy will tailor make natural hormones for YOU --- not the "one size fits all" HRT that doctors prescribe.

E.mail Pete Hueseman at: Consultph@aol.com Or, you can call him directly at 1.800.888.9358, Ext. 116

View Pete's transcripts in the library:
http://www.power-surge.com/library.htm

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HUNDREDS OF GUEST TRANSCRIPTS
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You can read more of what Power Surge Guest Experts have said in the transcripts of their visits to Power Surge in the Library

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EVERYONE IS WELCOME
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Feel free to FORWARD THIS ISSUE of our Newsletter to a friend who would appreciate what Power Surge has to offer. If you're on this listserv, you've already found out :) Tell them they can easily sign up for the mailing list here:

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I hope to see you at the chats and on the message boards. See you again in E.mail next week!

Until then, remember... I know menopause can make you feel like you're going to hell in a handbasket.......but, there are treatments that work for your issues. It isn't terminal and it does eventually pass.

Dearest
Alice Stamm
Power Surge
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In its 8th year as an award-winning community for women at midlife and in menopause.
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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Peg
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 09:44 AM

Just give me some single malt scotch and a bag of Cape Cod potato chips and no one gets hurt...

Seriously theer wa sa great book that came out several years ago, something liek Trating PMS the Natural Way, or something. And it gave detailed ways of dealing with the various symptoms, It also examined why certan good cravings exist (sugar, salt, protein) and offered ways to deal with them (the foods craved are often the WORST thing you can eat at this time) and eliminate the cravings. Also advice on herbs, teas, nutrition and other thinsg that can be done (exercise, meditation) to alleviate symptoms...

my own cycle (period and PMS) has gotten a tad worse since going off the pill; heavier flow, a bit more emotional seesaw just before, but only for a day or so...

peg


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Mar 01 - 05:48 AM

They say........

That Maggie Thatcher suffered from Prime Ministerial Syndrome.

With acknowledgements to the Late Willie Rushton.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: JeZeBeL
Date: 04 Mar 01 - 07:19 AM

Hey tiggerdooley, Have you tried the new lemon walnut whips.......i could eat them till the cows come home during these hard times......you know what the best is though......having a little brat, erm i mean, brother to take it all out on!!

TTFN


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Hawker
Date: 04 Mar 01 - 03:49 PM

PMS? WHO TOLD YOU I HAD PMS!
Lucy!


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 11:53 AM

I dread my PMT. I am normally an easy-going and cheerful person, but I morph into a monster. I've tried altering my diet at several times in several ways. No joy. I've tried Evening Primrose/Starflower oil. It alleviates the physical, but not the mental. I've tried the Pill (5 different types) - they made me worse. I take vitamin B and multivitamins and minerals everyday. No diffrence. Let me tell you, I wouldn't want to be in a poistion of responsibility when I have PMT. I am a mess: crying, depressed, irriatable and worst of all, violent. Emotional rollercoaster. 3 days a month, regularly, every month. I've been to the doctor. First one said "it's all in your mind - it doesn't exist" (well I'm not making it up). I tried various things, then went back. This doctor told me to keep a record, and I'm still doing so now. The worst is when I feel so completely fucked up and alone and despairing that I feel nothing in this life is worth it, and I want to hurt myself and others out of sheer frustration, and I tell myself "this is PMT" as I can recognise it now. But knowing what causes it doesn't alleviate it. And I only wish a bar of chocolate could fix the way I feel.
I haven't got it right now, thankfully, or this post would be 5 times as long and a hundred times more angry.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 12:09 PM

I take it this PMT that your all talking about is that moment juat bfore you go on stage.

Pre Minstrel Tension.

love john


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Mar 01 - 12:32 PM

FM, if your B vitamins don't include 1000 mg of B5 (pantothenic acid), it isn't enough. All month long too. After six months I bet you can look back and see a change.

I have some more infomration but would need your e-mail.

(Click HERE to e-mail me.)

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 09:27 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 10:36 AM

Wow, I had forgot all about this thread.

Personally, I am doing a lot better now. I started in on the calcium supplements, plus some vitamins, and that seems to help.

Also - and this is GREAT - they have these new heating pad things that you can stick to your undergarments when you have cramps. (They also make one for back pain, and one other, I think.) I don't know how they work exactly, but they are MARVELOUS. They stay warm all day. :-)

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the therapeutic qualities of the exalted Chocolate Orange.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: wysiwyg
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 11:07 AM

Comic nightmare: Hank Hill in Aisle 8A for little Connie's first period!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 11:09 AM

A box of Midol Maximum Strength makes it tolerable.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: JenEllen
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 11:44 AM

The Chocolate Orange? Is that the one that you smash on the table? Those things are a riot.

I'd like to think I'm PMS-free, but the nearer truth is that I'm pretty disagreeable 24-7, so how would one tell?

It amazes me how much attention is given to 'treatments'. Treating something that is already damaged, just to heal it so you can abuse it again....???? Prevention is a better plan, but it is a boring plan and it's hardly worth the space in Reader's Digest to tell you to eat good things, exercise every day, and drink more water.

For the male bonding: quite a few men I know have found solace HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 12:34 PM

In addition to natural progesterone, there is another natural remedy that I swear by (as does my honey, who can tell you in no uncertain terms that it makes a world of difference).

Extract of chaste tree berry.

While it is estrogen dominance that makes for the symptoms of PMS, it is an overabundance of prolactin that causes the imbalance (prolactin inhibits the bodies own normal production of progesterone). Extract of chaste tree berry inhibits prolactin, and helps the body to find a normal balance of it's own estrogen and progesterone.

I can tell you, without it, my responses to trolls here would be much less civil.


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Subject: RE: BS: PMS Horror Stories
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 12 Apr 02 - 12:55 PM

In the UK there is a wonderful ad for feminax (pain killers) which just has a girl in an old jumper and trousers curled up on the sofa and a well meaning partner who kindly offers her a cup of tea only to be treated to a volley of abuse.


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