I hate dogs

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:33 PM

Jeeeeezuz


whew


biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 05:49 PM

With that being said I have in my life put a dog down, because it did bite someone.

biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:01 PM

The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue.        -Anonymous

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. -Andy Rooney

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.                        - Mark Twain

I have been bitten by a dog three times in my life; two had good reasons - in their way of thinking. One was just not nice. Fortunately, the bites were minimal. None caused me to hate to hate all dogs; nor did an abusive husband caused me to hate all men.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:06 PM

"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. -Andy Rooney"

true.

Probably more dogs have been mistreated by humans than the number of dogs that have bit humans.

biLL

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:13 PM

As in most situations, people need all the facts before making a decision.

Just because the dog was in front of a certain house doesn't mean it lives there. Yes, it ran into the back, but it may have simply been trying to escape the furor. If there was a fence in the back, I'm sure it was capable of jumping it.

My little niece was attacked by a dog once. Owners had tied it outside on a hot day with no water. The police came, gave the owners a serious talking to, and nothing like that ever happened again.

My cat once bit at (rather than bit) a friend while she was petting his head. We checked him and found he had a sore, rather like a boil, in his gum. No doubt the cat thought my friend had hurt him. The vet treated the sore, and the cat returned to his loveable self.

Get the facts.
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G-force, are you drinking lots of water? Do you live alone? Who's doing the cooking?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:22 PM

A great cat is worth two dogs in the bush but a cat will never help feed you unless you are partial to pidgeon.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: ranger1
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:23 PM

Kendall, I used to own a pit bull, and I have no willy at all. Rosie never bit anyone that I know of. on the other hand, I was once attacked by a black lab and I know more people who have been seriously bitten by labs and lab mixes than by any other breed. It just doesn't make the national news when it happens.

G-Force, I'm sorry that you had to experience the worst that the canine world has to offer.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:28 PM

Dogs and man have lived a symbiotic existence since caveman times. You can't just turn that off.

Cats? I should coco.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:47 PM

I can only sympathize with you, G-force, because it's definitely no fun getting bitten by a dog...specially a big dog like a Weimaraner.

My Dachshund, however, is not pleased with your thread title. He says he hates you too, and he intends to bite your ankle if he ever gets the chance. He also expressed a desire to pee on your rose bushes and defecate on your property.

In regards to your comment that dogs are "nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and dangerous", he rolled his eyes as if to say, "And that's supposed to be bad?????" He is proud of being nasty, noisy, unhygeinic and...well....slightly dangerous. He has a PHD in the second and third of those qualities.

When he realized, however, that you had been bitten by a WEIMARANER!!!....well, then he had to admit to sympathizing with your case. He hates Weimaraners. ;-D

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:49 PM

Put it to better use:

Doctor Dogmeat's book

That cover design would make a great t-shirt.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:02 PM

"A great cat is worth two dogs in the bush but a cat will never help feed you unless you are partial to pidgeon."

Or cat . . . .

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:18 PM

I had a Dachshund--he died last year of old age--and you could literally pick him up and tie him in a knot, and he wouldn't bite you. However, if you tried to intervene while he was eating--pick a bowl up off the floor that he was licking, or something--he'd take your hand off at the wrist.
          I have a Weimaraner now, and I can't think of anything you could do to make him bite you. If he ever bit anyone I'd place a call to "Ripley's Believe It Or Not."

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 09:29 PM

Been said, but it bears repeating. Pet owners are the problem... those that do not understand their pets or how to train them or when to kill them. And, yes, sometimes pets need to be put down, although I sometimes wish it was the owner. >;-)

It's just the way it is. I didn't make the laws of common sense, I just understand them.

Training is quite simple, if the owner is not simple. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. So problems emerge. Especially when the pet cannot be trained and the owner doesn't understand that. That is when things go VERY wrong. That is when pets kill.

Now, saying that NO pets are bad is incorrect. I have seen them. With a knowledgible owner, managable... without... disaster.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 10:02 PM

Yes, Rig, Dachshunds take their food deadly seriously. One must always remember that. I've known several whose crowning ambition was to die by overeating, and one of them almost succeeded when he found a ton of sparerib bones the neighbours had dumped outside. We had to get his stomach pumped out by the vet. He was completely unrepentant and learned nothing from the experience.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Tangledwood
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 11:40 PM

. . . . they won't take my word as 100% positive ID and without that they won't take the case to court.

Couldn't a relative or close friend verify that it was definitely you?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Ernest
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:01 AM

..some hate wieners - others hate whiners...

Regards
Ernest

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:03 AM

There's a problem with logic here. One ill-tempered dog doesn't represent the entire canine species. Many dogs are bred for hunting and biting by recalcitrant owners.
Since dogs are domesticated animals, owners have responsibility for them. If a dog bites anyone, the owner should be held accountable.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Penny S.
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:29 AM

Cats have been found to have entered into a relationship with humans much earlier than previously supposed, on Cyprus. They clearly offer something, or wouldn't have been taken on. Control of small rodents is probably it. My grandparents' farm cat was known to bring in rabbit for lunch, rather better than pigeon.

Back to the dogs. I was once menaced by a pair of uncollared German Shepherds, in threat mode, on th epublic road which they had crossed from their property to do so. The owner eventually appeared and called them off without any comment to me, so I went to the police. don't know what happened next. Local lore had it that the owner used to let them run loose around children in the park, also without collar, so I hope they were talked to. (Didn't know about them before.)

My then brother in law was savaged by a GS while on a footpath, and the police did not follow it up. The owner was heard to set the dog on him with the word "kill", and the bite mark, round his waist was on his abdomen, front and back. The police said they could not do anything without a doctor's report, though they had a photo. Their reaction was peculiar.

Penny

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:58 AM

By way of reminder, see above for links to reliable sources for law about dogs.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:30 AM

I don't know how people can allow their dogs lick their faces after licking their own arses and balls or virgenias and that person will come give you a kiss

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:35 AM

It's because they love their dog (considerably) more than they do you.... ;-)

People will do anything for love. Consider some of the things that YOU have done for love, and you will see that I am right.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: G-Force
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:37 AM

I must say that it has been wonderfully therapeutic to be able to shout my mouth off on Mudcat and watch the replies (pro and anti) roll in. A bit like trolling, except that the underlying point is very serious.

Little Hawk, if your dachshund is male he is very welcome to come and pee in my garden, I believe the testosterone deters the foxes (I have been peeing out there too). Presumably female pee attracts them.

The sling is now off and all the bite holes are now dry except one which still has a dressing on it. My fingers work, my hand has got much of its grip back, but I still can't completely straighten the arm or lift anything heavy like a bucket of water or a pint of beer (but then I'm right off alcohol until the antibiotics are gone).

And I can play my concertina, for a little while at least. Result!!!!

On the wider issue, don't take me too literally. Dogs, like gunpowder and nuclear power, are morally neutral. It's what you do with them that is either good or bad.

I am gradually building up a picture of the dog owner, based on odd comments I have heard. He is a different sort of person from your average folkie Mudcatter, makes his income from renting out properties, is generally regarded as a bullshit merchant and obviously doesn't mind making enemies. He lives in a big house behind a shingle drive and an agressive dog, and I think I pity him because I don't have to do that.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:00 AM

it's the dogs that lick their own arses and gentials and then after the cover their tongue with shit, they lick their owners faces, and then their owners faces and mouths are covered in dog crap come and give their firends a kiss or a cuddle, smearing you with dog crap.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Becca72
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

As a child I was bitten in the face by my neighbor's white German Shepard. That incident did not cause me to hate dogs.
As a teen I had a dachshund/shepard mix (yup, you read that correctly). I got home from school one day and my sister started screaming at me that MY dog had bitten HER son. My first question was "what did he do to MY dog?". Turns out, he'd been trying to pick her up by her tail and had hurt her. My nephew was at fault, not the dog. It's not like she could say "hey, dude, that hurts." He was taught to treat the dog with respect and it didn't happen again.

You are also more likely to be bitten by a small breed (poms, peekapoos, etc) then you are by a large dog, the large dog just does more damage and gets more headlines.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:02 AM

no you are....?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:07 AM

That's good news about your fingers and grip. I hope the straightening and the arm strength will return in time. Have you asked for physical therapy? I understand that when an arm or leg has been in a cast or sling, it needs a little PT to restore its strength.

I think 'the average folkie Mudcatter' understands that in your first post, where you said you hate dogs, you were merely venting. You hurt, you were worried that your playing ability was damaged, you were miserable, you were traumatized, and you needed to let off some steam.

I want to be fair to dogs, but I will never change my opinion that Weimaraner's are any ugly color and have creepy, pale eyes.

One final thought - when you go for a stroll take a stout cane or walking stick along in case you encounter that dog again.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:19 AM

that is great news g-force i hope your arm gets full use back very soon. i too understand you were venting your frustration and i am glad that it hasn't given you a phobia of all dogs.
taking a cane or something isn't a bad idea.

take care

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 11:39 AM

He is a different sort of person from your average folkie Mudcatter, makes his income from renting out properties, is generally regarded as a bullshit merchant and obviously doesn't mind making enemies

interesting, do you generalize all people? how about, black people, and Irish people and Asian people and the list goes on. or do you just generalize people who own dogs ?

sorry you got bitten but i think I understand why. I have little compassion for someone who likes to generalize others. I have been bitten by dogs, scratched by cats, even attacked once by a black bear. never once thought of making a general statement about other people because of it. I hope you feel better, I am done talking to you for sure

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Big Norman Voice
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 12:36 PM

Some people shouldn't have dogs, usually it's the same people as shouldn't have children.
Folks who anthropomorphise pets, should be automatically disqualified from owning them too.
It's a dog, it's a cat, you're a human being (allegedly). HTF can you be it's Mommy or Daddy?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 01:09 PM

ah big norm, i think you need to chill abit.

our dogs are still dogs, they know who is boss but that doesn't mean they can't be our babies too, we love them loads, but they know their place... usually under the duvet!!

they look to us to look after them so why shouldn't we see them as our children as well? i think dogs have the intelligence of 3 year old kids, ours say yes and no and one of them even eats his painkillers if he thinks he needs them, i have to chuck them down his throat if he doesn't.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Balto
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM

We don't like you either.
                   Woof

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST,Big Norman Voice
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:40 PM

That's another filthy habit, allowing dogs on, and in one's bed. How disgusting and unhygienic.
Lyme's disease, and toxicara canis are just two of the things you can catch by doing that.
Mind you, most dog owners are already blind in respect of their pet, so they might as well be physically blind, as well.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:49 PM

"same people as shouldn't have children."
there again there are parents who should never have had the child they did have. I'm sure your parents are very lovely people 'Norman' but whatever did they do to deserve you?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:52 PM

Most of the dogs I know are a lot friendlier than most of the people I know!

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 02:52 PM

I have not seen Big Norm until very recently, and I note he posts as GUEST (albeit apparently consistently).

Tell us about yourself a bit, Norm.

By the way, all of us do some unhygenic things in bed, if we get lucky.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:00 PM

Hell, I've seen people who love their dog so much that they not only let it sleep in their bed, but they'd probably MARRY the dog if it was legal to do so! ;-)

Personally, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to...as long as it can be proven without a doubt that the dog fully understands the arrangement and gives consent to it. The dog could bark at the wedding when the vows are taken to say "I do"...and could wear a ring through its nose or perhaps on one ear.

This is one area of civil rights and equality that you DON'T see the most ardent liberals and progressives on this forum defending, and I think it's a disgrace. They should be ashamed of their blatant bigotry and prejudice. After all....THEY don't have to marry the dog, do they? And how does it affect THEIR own marriage if someone else marries a dog? Shame on them, I say! Shame! (Heh! Heh!)

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:08 PM

i wondered where i have been going wrong in bed!!!

lymes desease i thought was from ticks, you do know that walking through long grass and fields is where you get them from? your legs are just as likely to attract them as dogs. so all those who live with ramblers should check them over for ticks before allowing them into beds.

oh and boys, don't tell me you aren't jealous that dogs can lick their own bits, no wonder they are always grinning!!

jade x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:09 PM

There's just nothing on Earth more cheerful than a dog who is licking his own bits...

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:31 PM

In Virginia if you need medical treatment following a dog bite, then doctor or hospital are required to ask about the animal and submit a report to police or animal warden.

In the case of my youngest child, the attacking dog (a jack russell) belonged to a police officer who went with us to hospital. Hospital staff said if he could produce up to date rabies vaccination record then they needn't do a report. He promised to pay for insurance deductible for emergency room visit, but never did.

I have been attacked by poodle who had recently had pups and frightened nearly to death by a German Shepherd (Alsatian).

I have had cat scratch fever from a cat attack and my god I was so so sick for months.   I was hunched over like a question mark for weeks with joint pain.

Still prefer cats to dogs. I like both, but kitties are my favourite.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 03:48 PM

Hey, G-force...my Dachshund would be happy to pee on your lawn if it helps drive away the foxes. He is willing to do his bit, yes, and he IS male. I also think that you and he can bond very nicely over your mutual hatred for Weimaraners. If you offer him some sausages he will be your friend for life....or at least until the food runs out.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 04:44 PM

Anybody told Pat about the Weimaraner dislike society?

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 04:59 PM

A dachshund/shepherd cross? I am trying to visualize it. :) I did once see a collie/basset hound cross- 'twarn't purty.

Thoreau recommended a method of defusing a strange dog's aggression that I have used successfully a number of times: Call it to you, enthusiastically and loudly.

As he said, the dog has no reason to obey a stranger.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 05:01 PM

Yes, I've done that. It confuses them and they back off.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 06:07 PM

Ladders.

Or stilts.

Or maybe parascending.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 07:11 PM

Try a New York cut Steak. It's always worked for me.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 08:08 PM

My dog, Tamar, was trained excellently--pardon me for saying so. She'd do all the normal stuff people train their dogs to do, but she walked at heel unless I gave her permission to range ahead. She would allow ANYone to put their hands in her food dish while she ate. Taught her to back up and sit down. She eventually learned hand signals--that is, if I pointed she lie down, sit or if necessary, attack. She understood the word gentle and protect with children or basically anyone. Best dog I ever had. Early in our relationship she growled at me. I drove her between the eyes and when she got up we had a very good understanding of what was what. When she was around kids, and if they bothered her, she'd go someplace the kids couldn't get to and take a nap.

When I first got her she'd been very badly treated by the people who had her. They'd broken one of her ears and snapped a piece of her tail, so as a show dog, she was out of the running. Her pedigree was such that if she'd been a human she'd never have talked with me. Her father was a big sonuvabitch [:-)] and her mother was the most beautiful GS I've ever seen, bar none.

I kept her for a few years and I'm glad I did. One evening I had a few too many and she came into the lake after me. Swimming wasn't her thing, but she came anyway. She once attacked another dog because the dog growled at me. It was a GS/Collie cross. I knew the dog and he had a shit disposition. Tamar had him by the throat in nothin' flat. She dragged him around until she could see me and it was clear in her eyes that she was asking whether to dispatch the s.o.b. or let him go.

On the other hand, I once had a mutt whom I had 'rescued' from a life of constant pregnancy. No one took care of her in the place I was living at the time. I got her spayed and she was with my family for two or so years. One day when my daughter--about 7 months old at the time--was crawling around the floor the dog growled at her and bared her teeth when my daughter approached her food dish. Sorry folks, but I will tolerate no dog that growls at kids, regardless the reason. I called the dog, took my .22 and was leaving to take her to the dump. A teaching colleague saw me and asked where 'we' were going. I replied, "The dump." She said, "My father is looking for a dog. Could I give her to him?" The dog got a reprieve and that's kinda the end of it.

Dogs, horses, cats (and many other domesticated creatures) have helped us, worked for us and basically done their share of the work, whether it be killing mice, defending us, tilling our fields, herding our livestock or improving the quality of our lives by simply being our friends. I know Tamar certainly was a friend to me. That is one dog I will never forget: sense of humour, loyalty, kindness, brains and guts.

We get qualities back from most creatuures we befriend. And as has been said a few times on this thread, SO much is the responsibility of the owner(s). I will never have a dog around me that I do not trust. But then, we aslo have to offer guidance and training to the 'pets' we befriend. To do less does them and those around us a disservice.

I hope no one interprets this as a lecture. It ain't meant to be. It's just the way I see things.

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 08:38 PM

I like dogs. I find them best when deep fried with a nice green chili salsa for dipping.

For many years I was the chief dog catcher in Anchorage. In that capacity I was bitten over 100 times by a wide variety of different breeds. Whenever I was bitten, I made sure to impound the beast for at least 10 days quarantine to be sure it didn't have rabies, I issued as many citations to the irresponsible owner as I could, and I imposed severe confinement requirements for the miscreant for the rest of its unnatural life. I usually took a few paid sickleave days as well.

Best wishes,
Mike

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: jeddy
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 10:08 PM

bruce i am with you thogugh we don't have kids round the dogs.

even when we move them in their sleep, if they grumble at us they are straight on their backs with a very unhappy mummy in their face.

with one of them we play eat his whiskers, that is the only time he is allowed to growl and show his teeth, mockingly aggressively, we know he isn't serious because he licks us at the same time. as far as i know he has only nipped twice once was when a kid stood on his tail, he moved very qiuckly but i don't think he got the kid, the second was when they were all tied up in a big EMPTY square, a man decided to walk as close as possible so he nipped his hand, very funny considering the man did it as a wind up, he has learnt his lesson that dogs are to be respected.

this doesn't paint me in a very good light i know but if they have behaved badly without reason, they are severly told off.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:11 AM

I have had a lifetime of Weimaraners, often two or more at a time. They are very intelligent and were bred to be not just hunters but companions. They've often been referred to as a dog with the human brain. They make excellent service dogs as well as being great for nursing home visits. But like with any, its all in the training. Weims just really want to please you though so its a bit easier with them. Loyal to a fault, their need for human interaction is so strong that many (most really) suffer from separation anxiety which is easily fixed if you just take them along everywhere you go.......and I generally do. Having more than one eases this problem as well.

The old hound laying on my feet as I type has lived longer than most Weims do already but even with all her problems of aging, she's still a happy girl. Almost blind now and about totally deaf, she still recognizes that Tim Horton's bag that holds her Apple Fritter. And whenever she can she steals my Tim's coffee as well. A very happy old pup........When that ceases I will do right by her. She and her mate Jaeger were the finest Weims I ever shared life with and Sissy will sadly but probably be my last. I could never find better.

Most dog problems as has been stated are really owner problems. We play games with puppies that seem to be fun but sometimes are teaching the pup all the wrong things. I suggest anyone with any interest in having well trained dogs that are a pleasure to take along anywhere become familiar with the methods of the Monks of New Skete:

***How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend: The Classic Training Manual for Dog Owners (Revised & Updated Edition), The Monks of New Skete, Little, Brown and Company, September, 2002, ISBN 0316610003
***The Art of Raising a Puppy, The Monks of New Skete, Little, Brown and Company, March 20, 1991, ISBN 0316578398
***Divine Canine: The Monks' Way to a Happy, Obedient Dog, The Monks of New Skete, Hyperion, September 18, 2007, ISBN 1401309259
***I & Dog, The Monks of New Skete, John Sann, and Monique Stauder (Photographer), Yorkville Press, November 3, 2003, ISBN 0972942734


Spaw

Subject: RE: I hate dogs
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:16 AM

Well
said,Spaw.