BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 11:15 AM

Barack Obama is a different crittur than Tony Blair by very far.

HE is deeply internally civilized in ways Blair could only pretend to be.


IF the country veers off toward Hillary Clinton, they will be buying the TOny Blair equivalent version of the future.

It is time, IMHO, for someone who can Think Differently.

(Note to Steve Jobs: note adverbial construction).

Send him (Barack) in and watch him run -- I urge you.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: oggie
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 11:04 AM

We had "new politics" and "the big tent" over here with one Tony Blair. Turned out he was less liberal that Maggie Thatcher and well to the right of her on many issues including civil liberties, surveillance and personal freedom. His "big tent" was well policed by the spin doctors and any sign of dissent was stamped on.

When Roy Hattersley managed to get painted as a leftover, reactionary, hard left stick in the mud I realised just how right-wing TB and his cohorts were.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 12:00 AM

You sit it out, then. That's very helpful, fence sitting.

Kucinich had a lot of sound ideas, and if Edwards has adopted some, that's a good thing. Sometimes those front runners have to adopt those kinds of ideas to bring more people around to electing them.

Texas Democrats haven't had much say for years now, but we're watching, and wishing Molly Ivins was around to spread some truth-telling common sense and good humor over the field.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 10:30 PM

I think I've made it pretty clear I'm sittin' this one out--IMO it is a choice between no choices and no choices. I ain't votin' for none of these eejits.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 10:23 PM

Okay! Where would you go, GG?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 09:37 PM

Sorry guys, I just ain't buyin' it. He doesn't inspire me, doesn't make me hopeful. He has that churchified preacher tone...nope.

I'm not to terrible crazy about Edwards either, as I've stated a number of times. I just see him as the underdog at this point, and if you don't care what the candidate says, his talk--as others have pointed out--is closest to Kucinich.

Obama and Clinton, to me, are saying pretty much the same thing on the issues (when you can figure out what the hell Obama is talking about besides "unity" and "new kind of politics" that is).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 10:39 AM

Yeah, Mick...Two of my good blues buds work for the EPA and are absolutely disgusted with their flat-earth bosses that Bush has appointed...

Yes, Waxman would be a great EPA appointment...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 10:18 AM

I share your concern over his positions, GG, but this country has become so cynical (rightfully so, for the most part) that it is my opinion that we need someone to believe in, someone who is inspirational. Mix that up with a community organizer's desire to change and knowledge of life in the community and I think you have a leader with an eye on the right issues. Edwards is still my number 1 choice for Pres, but imagine an Obama Presidency with a cabinet that would include Edwards as Attorney General or Secretary of Labor, Richardson as either VP or Secretary of State, a strong environmental person, maybe Waxman or someone like that at EPA..... man, the possibilities are endless. Labor is obviously a post I am very interested in seeing who he would pick.

I would rather see Edwards, because I feel as though he would draw a line in the sand. But I must admit to feeling old feelings from my youth during the Kennedy years astirring with this young man. I wish him well, and applaud the Kennedy's for stepping up.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 09:58 AM

Good aynal-eesis, Bobe.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 09:10 AM

GG-

I do worry about Obama's new "celebrity" status. It's taken down many an experienced politician before, and the media loves a feeding frenzy.

Just how to become better known, demonstrate leadership but acknowledge mistakes, be non-arrogant but willing to question basic wrongs, no easy job. I'm surprised how well Obama does.

Michelle may need some additional coaching, watch her own video performance and think more before her next public performance.

Bill needs some "cellar time."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 09:08 AM

Well, yeah, G,g.... His *stated* positions aren't that different than Billary's...

But it isn't really his "stated" positions that has gotten him this far... It's his "unstated" positions which are, at the very least, are suggested in body language and nuances...

Yeah, I know this is no way to elect a president... I'll be the first to admit that... But looking at the rest of the pack, he does stand out as being different... And I don't mean in regards to race... But demeanor...

It's kinda like going to the horse race... Most folks just pick numbers or pick from the stats in the racing guide but there are others, myself included, who walk into the paddock and check out the horses while they are being warmed up and you look for little things like the right combination fiestiness, lather (horse racing term--don't ask) and the looks in the horses eyes...

Obama, to me, has the right combination with the exception of the "lather, of which Bill Clinton has the market captured... Personally, I think the US has been a little lathered up with all of Bush's woofin' and could use a little less lather and just run to place or show... We ***don't*** have to win if winning means going bankrupt...

Jus' MO...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Jan 08 - 08:28 AM

Oh, the one other victory among whites that Obama has counts, but not all the states with white voters that he already lost?

Sure, any of the candidates would pay the big bucks to have you as their campaign consultant, Ron.

Name one president who has been elected by the "college campus" vote? Considering most young people can't afford to go to college, and aren't on a college campus?

I also think it is far too early to predict a poisoning of the well by Bill Clinton. Or that Obama won't pull Latinos behind him.

Me personally, I'm still trying to figure out what Obama's positions are on the friggin' issues.

But this I'll give him--he has the America's Next Top Rock Star Politician vote all sewn up.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 10:06 PM

Steve--

Consider Iowa, however. Obama has no problem getting white votes.

And has huge popularity on college campuses.

Team Clinton, however has rather efficiently destroyed Bill Clinton's positive record in the black community. And in record time.

And they themselves have poisoned one of the wells Hillary planned to drink from in the fall.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: oggie
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:37 PM

From this side of the pond I can see Obama and Clinton doing so much damage to each other, and being so divisive, that neither will win in October. Obama won big among the Black community but got less of the white vote than Clinton or Edwards.

The ammount of mud slinging will probably get worse and down the road there are the Republicans who sure as hell will be taking notes. Where is Al Gore when you need him most :)

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:17 PM

Its always about whose Ox gets gored.
The Republicans Oxed our Gore 8 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:16 PM

Remember how the Republican Senate was threatening the "nuclear option" to ban filibusters when they were the majority in the house? That threat has gone away now that it is a Democratic Senate, and the Republicans happily use, or threaten to use, it frequently. I think there might be some more civility and respect for the rules now in the Senate, but at the same time, when all three are in the hands of one party, things can go awry as power goes to ones' head (as we saw with Bush). Checks and balances are good. But like I said, a few more people need a good primer on how their form of government works and why "signing statements" and "warrantless wiretaps" are problematic in a Democracy.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Peace
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:05 PM

Then they look out for themselves alone--oh, yeah, and a few friends here and there.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Peace
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:03 PM

And Donuel has indeed pointed to a problem in politics. The office filled by a President is meant to be the ultimate job in the country because that person takes final responsibility for the good of all citizens. Problem's been that the bastards THINK they've been annointed.

Subject: RE: BS: Caroline Kennedy
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 03:00 PM

Obama annointed by BB KIng might be more meaningful

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 02:27 PM

IF we can get a majority in Congress of the same party as a new president elect, they could theoretically get a lot done, SRS. It's a just a metter of do we want that, esp. if it's GOP?!**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Obama anointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 02:14 PM

The idea of a little over 9 more months of this agonizing blow-by-blow churlish behavior by all of the candidates makes me flip my radio over to classical music and skip reading the two front sections of the newspaper.

It's amazing how they all forget all of the nasty name-calling once the candidate is selected. But the way they get to that point--not pretty.

I wouldn't wish the job of president on anyone. Whoever is elected is liable to be a one-term president with chronically low ratings as they try to undo the vast amount of damage Bush II did to the U.S. economy, put the federal government back the way it was, put reasonable checks and balances and regulations on American financial institutions, reign in the FCC, and apologize for the carnage around the world done by American troops and diplomats.

The first act the of the new president should be to compel every idiot who ever voted for Dubya to take a mandatory civics class to learn the role of the various levels of government, the importance and necessity of the constitution and bill of rights, and the powers of the various federal branches. Just so they know why things went so horribly wrong.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 09:14 AM

Exactly...

LOL...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 08:52 AM

Because until they cross the finish line, opinions are just more horsehshit.

Including mine, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 08:42 AM

without opinions there would be no horse race... Why not?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 08:16 AM

Well, well, well...

Bill Richardson not the brightest bulb in the shop??? Or whatever???

I've heard him several times on NPR and it takes a lot to impress me but every time I've heard him my impression was "This is one smart guy"...

But that's my opinion and without opionions there would be no horse race...

B;)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:42 PM

Glad to see you get it Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:34 PM

Not to mention he, like Kucinich, threw the rope to Obama.

I'm also still not convinced Richardson can deliver Latinos as a bloc to anybody, including himself.

Also, it is good to remember there is no shortage of philandering Latino Catholic men, no? Shit, they ain't THAT friggin' religiously inclined!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: freightdawg
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:30 PM

Bobert, you almost made me gag on my chocolate chip cookie. I'm glad I re-read your post and saw that you said the Richardson "may be" the smartest man to run for president in years.

Come, come. Richardson became governor of NM because he is a Hispanic and because he has a political machine that runs over people like steam rollers run over eggs. It's true he has some international experience, but it amounts to a lot less than most people imagine.

Richardson is not the dimmest bulb in the box by any stretch of the imagination. But he certainly is not the brightest, either. A person could argue that even entering the race knowing he was competing against the first female running for president and the first credible black running for president is proof that he's not the most intelligent of candidates. Unless, of course, he was running for VP all along, and if he gets the nod then he will be seen as a genius.

Richardson is what he is - an extremely powerful power broker in a very, very small pond. As has been noted above, he might deliver the hispanic vote for Obama, but the negatives against Clinton may make it impossible for him to help her very much. A large majority of Hispanics are Catholic, and if Clinton is viewed as being anti-church then Richardson could be seen as a sell-out as opposed to being a positive image on her ticket. Obama comes across as being far more pro-faith. Richardson is a far better fit with Obama.

Also, I don't see Richardson's ego meshing with Clinton. You can't have two sharks in the same wading pool.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:29 PM

I don't think it was below the belt to suggest role modeling is part of the Presidential aura -- certainly that's what Clinton got impeached for more than any real harm he did.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:24 PM

Yeah, it is really just sleazy and cringe-inducing.

A real step forward for women, that video.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:21 PM

I don't care for what Michelle Obama said in that video, either. I also did not like the manner in which she said it. I have said all along that I wish Richardson was running for Prez. I hope he continues to rise and gets there some day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 10:13 PM

No, I don't think he is locked into anything, especially since he worked under Bill Clinton in the 90s. And god knows how "flexible" one must be to do that!

I know there are people abandoning the Clintons in droves right now, but will Richardson end up being one of them? I keep trying to think of a scenario in which Obama has anything to offer Richardson, and just am stumped. Anyone got any realistic ideas of why Richardson would want to jump on the Obama wagon as his veep?

Call me crazy, but I think Richardson is a man on the rise. Frankly, when both Obama and Clinton could still crash and burn, what is his incentive to wander into the fray?

Charley, maybe you haven't heard about the campaign contributions quesions raised by the LA Times and I forget what other news outlet, about a donor of Obama's who is under indictment in Illinois? The Obama camp said they got rid of the contributions, but then I think it was the LA Times who investigated further, and found that they still had the money?

If Obama were the nominee, you will see the Republicans attack, attack, attack on his "Muslim" connections, his drug use, etc etc.

Remember, Obama hasn't been vetted the same way Clinton and Edwards have.

The worst Obama has been able to hurl at Clinton is her seat on the Wal Mart board. And last time anyone checked, that wasn't in violation of any laws and didn't lead to any indictments (that time).

And Michelle Obama going after Hilary for "not keeping her house in order" when her man strayed with Monica--that is supposed to be legitimate? Not in my book.

There is a real double standard here regarding the candidate spouses.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 09:33 PM

GG - I think there are many positions on immigration that have not been presented to the public yet. All the public knows, at least in general, are the ones their handlers want to see presented.

                         Of course, if you think Richardson is locked into La Voz de Aztlan, that would limit his options.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 09:29 PM

An Obama-Richardson ticket makes the most sense to me, assuming Obama emerges from Super Tuesday with the majority of delegates. There are less winner-take-all states now than in years past which makes a decisive majority less likely.

Edwards should have some bargaining power at the convention, maybe even enough delegates to deny Obama or Clinton the nomination. He doesn't appear to bring much needed experience to the ticket as a VP but he might make a good Attorney General, and settle for that.

So far no one has mentioned anything specific with regard to Obama's track record that would raise major concerns about his priorities. He doesn't seem to fit my image of a "Republican-Democrat" but I am willing to be enlightened.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:53 PM

I can't get the video to play--any one else have that problem? If so, just go to You tube & search for "Michelle Obama takes a shot at Hillary Clinton".

Big Mick, I think it is way too presumptuous to start assuming that the candidates who have dropped out are home waiting for phone calls from Barak and Hillary.

Like I said, I can't see a scenario where Richardson would climb on board either of their trains, because of their regressive positions on immigration, CAFTA & NAFTA. Now, politicians I admire usually prove me wrong--and I admire Richardson. But it seems to me saying Richardson would climb in bed with Clinton or Obama is like saying Kucinich would. I just don't see that happening, no matter how much folks think it would be great.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:45 PM

Well, some of us know what a double standard looks like, and Obama's spouse is getting away with 'em BIG time.

This sort of shit isn't below the belt? Come on now, be fair and impartial. How is that shit OK, but Clinton comparing Obama's win yesterday to Jackson's wins in the 80s, or claiming that Obama's position on the Iraq war is a fairy tale--how is it those things are somehow beyond the pale?

I mean, you can't get any sleazier than Michelle Obama in that video, IMO.

Apparently that part of the past is going to be fair game?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:37 PM

Hell no, GG, I don't think they are dead in the water. They are still one of the most powerful couples in the world. But there is no denying that they hurt themselves last week.

I'll tell you why he makes sense. VP's are never chosen because they are clones of the candidates. They are chosen for what they bring. Richardson brings it on any number of levels.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:34 PM

So you guys really think Richardson would sell out his stand on the border wall to Mexico, just to take a VP job? Remember, both Obama and Clinton have come out as pro-border wall.

And even if he did, you think he could still bring the Latino vote with him?

I dunno if that horse will trot.

And if Romney gets the nom, I think Clinton has a far better shot at beating him than she does McCain.

Why is everybody around here suddenly so sure that because Obama swept SC (as expected, I might add) that Clinton is suddenly dead in the water? Maybe you all are drinking the Kool Aid today!

Now, I detest the Clintons, but I'm not going to delude myself into believing an Obama hallucination instead.

I keep trying to figure out who Obama could pick as a running mate that could beat McCain, for instance (this is the best chance for a woman GOP veep ever, IMO), but short of Caroline Kennedy herself, I really can't figure out who would work as a running mate for him that is realistic.

Richardson doesn't seem like a realistic choice to me. I could be wrong, but I'm certainly not ready to start playing let's pretend either.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:16 PM

Yeah, Richardson can and will deliver the Hispanic votes if for no other reason, he is Hispanic and speaks fluent Espanol... Those are biggies...

And he also brings more foreign policy experience than the entire Republican slate combined...

Richardson is a no-brainer... This has been my position forever... Plus, he may be the most intellegent man to run for president in years....

Obama and Richardson would be unbeatable...

Now if Billary takes the nomination then the Dems are absolutely screwed... Yeah, she will carry the states that Kerry carried and no more... I don't think that even Bill Richardson could help her...

Forget John Edwards... He can't bring any state wi8th him... Like none...

The only other guy out there for VP is Mark Warner, Virginia's former governor, who can bring Virginia with him... Maybe even West Virginia and maybe North Carolina... He is very popular... He would be another compliment to Obama but...

...not as good as Ricardson...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:10 PM

Ron Davies seems to have downed the Kool Aid.

Richardson may or may not want a gig in an upcoming administration. He could, with a serious return to Democratic rulership (ie White House & a bigger margin in Congress) he might want to remain an influential Western governor. And then run again later.

I think he would be great in a bigger role though. No one is talking about elevating our diplomatic ties to Latin America at this point, but they should be. And Richardson does seem to have an interest in working in that direction.

He was the most intriguing of all the candidates, I thought. Even came straight out and declared himself a social justice Catholic--you don't see that every day in the US of A among presidential candidates!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 08:07 PM

Regarding citizenship: immigrant must live here at least three years before applying:

An immigrant can become an American citizen by naturalization by living in the United States for a specified period, usually five years (three years if married to a citizen) and passing a naturalization examination. However, there is no requirement that an immigrant become a citizen and s/he is free to live in the United States as long as s/he wishes regardless of his citizenship, so long as s/he abides by the laws of the land, which are applicable to citizens and aliens alike.

Also, according to one website I found, a government one, as of last summer, it costs almost $700 to apply for citizenship and that is non-refundable if you are denied. They do have some provisions to waive some fees if you jump through enough hoops. Those costs do not include any classes to learn about our country, as near as I could tell.

The other reasons I can see for someone not jumping right up to become a citizen would have to do with their circumstances, i.e. was the marriage going to last, do they have hopes of going home, again, possibly having come from a country at war, will they be able to find work and make a go of it, etc. etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 07:51 PM

Big Mick - I agree. Richardson managed to conduct an honest campaign and got out of the race when he had to without getting splattered with any of the garbage. He's in a good position now to help whichever candidate gets the nomination, and he's proven himself big enough to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 07:17 PM

See Dems Power Sharing thread, folks. The topic has already been raised.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:42 PM

No sweep for Hillary on Tsunami Tuesday. That pipe-dream is gone forever. The opposite is remotely possible, but very unlikely. More likely is a split decision--with Hillary's support slipping away afterwards.

And I tend to agree with Bobert about the VP slot. Obama has better options than VP under Hillary--which will never happen anyway. Hillary will never be in a position to credibly offer it to anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:38 PM

Hey, GG JR PM, didn't you get in Bill D's behind for parroting the morning news, CNN or something like that. Most of that astute analysis came straight off the morning news talking heads shows this morning.

Richardson, as I said months ago, is the odds on favorite for VP no matter who gets the nomination. He brings the western states, and is Latino. He is a respected figure on the world stage, and has great negotiation experience.

I agree that if Clinton comes out of the Super Tuesday primaries the clear victor, there will be a bloodbath. I can't see Edwards as anyones VP, and I don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:29 PM

Actually, we don't know if Richardson actually can deliver a solid bloc of Latino voters the way Obama can deliver a bloc of African American voters.

I really don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket in the stars, regardless.

I do believe that there is a HUGE power struggle going on at the top of the party right now, though. That power struggle, right now, is benefiting Obama. But if Clinton sweeps Super Tuesday, expect a blood bath worse than Sweeney Todd and No Country for Old Men combined. Kerry, Daschle, and Kennedy are old men in politics years, and completely irrelevant in the new political paradigm neither party seems to be aware of yet.

Not that a battle at the top of the party would spill out on the national stage, or anything...

I just threw out the Edwards/Richardson idea for shits and giggles. All three of them had Richardson on speed dial the minute word got out he was dropping out of the race. Right now, Richardson is a trophy endorsement, and all three need him a lot more than he needs them. He's probably smart enough to let this all play out awhile before he hands out the trophy though--see what folks are offering come February 6th. Richardson would be crazy not to hold out at least until mid-Feb or so.

I'm surprised we aren't seeing an avalanche of endorsements to go along with Obama's landslide too.

Ah well, maybe tomorrow there will be some surprises. But savvy politicians will wait it out until after Super Tuesday, at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:16 PM

Well, IMO, if Obama is the nominee he will get Hillary's votes anyway while the converse is not true...

Now, if Obama is the nominee, Bill Richardson will blunt the Repubs charge that an Obama/Richardson ticket wouldn't have foreign policy experience plus Richardson can bring the Hispanic voters that might otherwise stay home...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 06:15 PM

It would indeed be intriguing to know if Hillary would be VP under Obama. (Even though Edwards would be far better).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 05:31 PM

Why on earth should the lady have bothered to apply for citizenship, since she had the right to stay in the States anyway by virtue of her marriage? Nothing lazy about it, just not a very high priority. And why should it be?

................
I'd have thought that either Obama or Clinton would be very well advised to invite whoever comes in second to be VP. Increase their chances of getting elected, and decrease their risk of getting assassinated afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama annointed by Caroline Kennedy
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jan 08 - 05:31 PM

Wwell, I am hopin' that Edwards stays in to the ned and garners enough delegates so that neither Obama (who I support) and Hillary (who I never will under any circumstance)will have the necerssary votes for nomination...

This would be perfect and would force the Dems to take a hard look at making the kinds of deals (coilitions) that would make an Obama/Richardson very attractive while also havin' to carry Edwards plank of ending poverty in the US...

That ticket, with the plank, will be hard to beat...

Then it's up to my Trojan Horse theory to kick in...

B~