BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 08:45 PM

sing4ppeace has brought another healthy dose of realistic perspective, based on actual experience, to the matter.

Akenaton, do you realize that you give the impression that you believe that a homosexual man who is not a pedophile is an exception?
You may not come anywhere near actually believing that, but you really do tend to give the impression that you believe it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 08:55 PM

Actually, these events make a case in favor of same-sex marriage:

If the homosexual pedophiles could get married, they wouldn't have to bugger other peoples' children.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 09:11 PM

As stated in the article Ake linked to:

Many close to the case have expressed revulsion at the profound breach of trust behind Rennie's behaviour. Child F's father told The Times that he took another view. "I see Rennie as somebody who I thought I knew, but actually I didn't know that person at all," he said. "That person is someone I once spent a lot of time with, a face I know and recognise because we shared experiences together. But he was actually an outrageous and disgusting monster.

Ake, I would doubt that there's any current truth in Ake's statement that "he is supported by many of the knee jerk 'liberals' here."

He was a traitor to his, cause, Ake. Certainly, other causes have traitors, don't they?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 09:24 PM

Art Said:

"The OP made no expression of sympathy for the children either, while he did make a reference to "our resident promoters of homosexuality". It would certainly appear that homosexuality rather than child abuse was the issue that the OP wanted discussed."

Exactly!

Touche.

Ake posted to prove his old tired laboured point and never gave any indication that he gave a flying fig about the victims.


Continued condemnation of "liberals" (from the guy who detests meaningless labels ...) is just a continuation of the same old axe grinding and would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.


Watch this space - in a month we'll see proof that polish immigrants are responsible for the credit crunch.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 09:36 PM

NAMBLA is not a gay rights group. It is a pederast rights group. It has one issue: lowing the age of consent for young males. There is a big difference between gay rights and what NAMBLA is all about. Most other gay rights groups disagree with and want nothing to do with NAMBLA.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 09:40 PM

This thread proves, once again, that you can lead a Mudcatter to muddy troll waters, but you can't keep him from drinking, so to speak. *sigh* Double, double troll and trouble...(with apologies to Shakespeare.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 09:41 PM

Let's face it, Ake is the Rush Limbaugh of Mudcat.

Same hate-mongering, same spittle-spraying, same respect for the facts. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 10:08 PM

One look at the title of this thread and I knew who was responsible and what irrational line of thinking would follow.

I haven't bothered to read an Ake thread or comment in a LONG time. Nothing has changed. He's still an ass.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 10:46 PM

Oh ohh, here comes the name calling again...
Please, all you 'open minded wonderful folkies', let's be above that..at least this time. Let's keep the discussion on topic. Last time, when this subject was broached, the 'arguments' just got to stupid to even respond to...and FACTS were ignored, or mixed with politics...which of course, has very little to do with facts, truth, or science!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:08 PM

Ok, how about let's just say that Ake has an ongoing agenda full of hate and unreasonableness?

Even if he is an ass. *GRIN*

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:28 PM

Golly gee, are you intimating, that if you wiped that grin off your face, you'd use toilet paper???..Just teasing,..but I could barely resist that one..none the less let's rise above any real hostility, but a good quip is still a good quip..even Ebs found them entertaining, up there in the cold country...GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:43 PM

Of course the man-boy love thing is an attempt to legitimize their actions; but have you ever heard of a living soul, outside of their own membership, who is buying that attempt in the name of "liberalism" or the acceptance of "diversity".

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:54 PM

Frogprince:'Of course the man-boy love thing is an attempt to legitimize their actions; but have you ever heard of a living soul, outside of their own membership, who is buying that attempt in the name of "liberalism" or the acceptance of "diversity".

Yes, once in a while, one of their 'constituents', does an interview on one of the 'news' shows...That's how I even heard of them. They pound the same message about 'equality' and 'legitimacy'. By the way, their 'motto' is "Sex before eight, before it's to late". As for me, I think they should be arrested for either, child endangerment, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, or statutory rape, or conspiracy to commit rape of a minor, and or soliciting a minor, or conspiracy to solicit...just for starters!!!!

Hope that doesn't bum you out!..GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:54 PM

And Guest from "Sanity(?)," you are in the same bag as Ake when it comes to respect for facts.

Today was an off-year election day here in Washington state, and one of the issues on the ballot was an attempt by out of state religious groups to rescind a law recently passed by the state legislature giving the same legal rights to domestic partners as married couples. It's another of these hyper-religious outfits who are dedicated to opposing same-sex marriage. Carpetbaggers with neon halos. For the last several weeks we've had to listen to their crap in political adds on radio and television and I'm bloody sick and tired of their hate-mongering. "Christians" indeed!!!

And then Ake comes in with his wheelbarrow full of hate. . . .

The returns haven't come in yet, so the matter in this state is still up in the air.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:16 AM

A few precincts reporting in. So far, the initiative upholding domestic partnership rights is ahead by a nice margin!

A tentative yippee hooray!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:28 AM

Don, Ake is a self declared atheist. Are you being a little..umm let's see...uhh...bigoted towards Christians??? If so, just make the 'politically correct' adjustment. I think Ake would assure you, his views are not religious based. Try cleaning up just 'your side of the street'...Just a suggestion, and meant in good spirit...GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:57 AM

GfS, there are Christians, and then there are "Christians."

If you will just pay attention, you will note that when I mentioned the "Christian" carpetbaggers who are trying to diddle with the laws in this state (the same outfit that screwed around with California's same-sex marriage law), I was not referring to Ake. But the intent of both Ake, this group, and apparently you, is the same:   stomp on the civil rights of others.

My side of the street is nice and clean, but thank you for your concern.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 01:05 AM

And as far as being bigoted toward Christians, GfS, I am a member of Central Lutheran Church here in my neighborhood.

No, I'm not the bigot here.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:17 AM

Don, Your assumption that I am trying to stomp the civil rights of others, is indeed, incorrect. Personally, I disagree with Christian political activism, nor am I in much 'agreement' with any religious denominations. Jesus himself said, for all those even interested, to "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of Caesar". I'm sure your Lutheran Bible has that quote. It means, to be wary of religious, and political worlds.

That being said, the thread is about a homosexual activist, who was found guilty of some rather extreme paedophilia crimes against, not only children, but even of infants! I think even you can agree that, in this case, and even in others, that there is no call to recognize it as anything other, that a perverted crime against humanity, and not to make allowances, for a bias, toward this homosexual, just for the cause of homosexuality.

Jesus also said, "Whomever offends one of these(referring to children), it would be better to place a millstone around his neck, and..." I should assume you know the rest.

I mention this because of your reference to being a Lutheran, and a Christian, I take it.

Now that that has been said, not all who see homosexuality as 'wrong', immoral, or a destructive element, are necessarily, basing it on a 'religious' belief....(such as Ake). But, because of the other thread, that turned into a circus of mindless political activism over truth, one could easily assume, that there was some 'unfinished business', that perhaps hasn't been resolved. Nonetheless, lets agree, that in this thread, to stay on topic...okay?..Regards, GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:53 AM

Oh Lillyfester!......I think that may be the same "reasonable" young lady who stated in a previous thread on a related subject, that I had "probably abused my own children".
My views on the fostering of young children by male homosexuals prompted this outburst. As a large section of the population share my views, it is more than obvious that Michelle's opinions are far from reasonable.

Sanity, don't waste your time!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:02 AM

What I don't understand is why Akenaton is complaining that no one else has commented on the story here before him. Are we supposed to spend all our time scanning every local newspaper before coming to Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:14 AM

Manitas.....Don't know where you live (Spain?) but I can assure you that "The Times" is not a local newspaper.
This article was carried on two main news pages.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:23 AM

"My views on the fostering of young children by male homosexuals...."
What are those views?
There has been an ongoing investigation here in Ireland and elsewhere into the paedophelia practiced by members of the church on children placed in their care (on a massive scale and stretching back many decades) and the covering up of the rape and sexual and physical abuse that has been proven to have taken place, by leading members of the church.
Do you believe that all church officers (or all Catholics, or maybe all Christians, for that matter) are (potential or practicing) paedophiles and should be prohibited from fostering young children - if not, why not?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:42 AM

Sorry Jim....I had a response typed, but it seems to have got lost en route.
I'm just off to work so I've no time to re-print.
You make an interesting point so I'll get back later...apologies Ake

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:11 AM

The Times is local to the UK, but why should you think that it's strange that no one commented before you?

Did it make the Egyptian papers, btw?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:43 AM

"From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:17 AM

I find it strange that Ake didn't comment sooner.. "



      ROFL

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:53 AM

All Indians walk single file. How do I know? Because I saw an Indian once and he was walking single file.So, I must believe my own eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 05:29 AM

As a large section of the population share my views
That doesn't make them right. A large section of the population believes that Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11th. A large section of the population believes that there is no human factor in climate change. A large section...
I could go on. *yawn*
Akenaton; you clearly have unresolved issues involving sexuality. You really should seek some sort of help.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: M.Ted
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 06:50 AM

Here's an article that discussesFacts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation

This is point is established in the article:

" many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes."

Another interesting fact is that only a relatively small minority of the population believe a Akenaton does.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 07:07 AM

Ah. Having just found what may be a snap of young Ake carelessly left online, this may go some way to explaining why he worries about unwanted attention.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 07:16 AM

Old Jewish saying, "Everyone needs a dog to kick."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 10:25 AM

McGrath: It is inevitable that when a leading member of a community is convicted of sexually abusing children, including in this case a baby, that will be seen as reflecting on the whole community. That applies just as much when the community involved is the gay community as it does when it is a religious community. (And vice versa, of course.) And it is inevitable that it will get used as ammunition by people who for other reasons are hostile.

There is a big difference between these two examples. The Catholic Church, as an organization, conspired to keep known pedophiles from being prosecuted. LOTS of bishops and cardinals were knowingly complicit in protecting the perverts. That's why many of us think this reflects badly on the whole organization. The mainstream gay organizations, on the other hand, find child rape as abhorrent as the rest of us.

I'm amazed that any child raper would be so stupid as to belong to an organization that promotes child rape. I'm shocked that he wasn't caught a long time ago. Maybe the police up there in Scotland are as stupid as the perverts.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 10:57 AM

""Fair enough Bill, I accept what you say up to a point, but I didn't say anyone here is not opposed to the abuse of children.
I simply said that most were more concerned with defending homosexuals than in expressing sympathy for the abused.""

NOPE! The following is what you said:-

""Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this
      from our resident promoters of homosexuality!""

I see no reference to the children, no reference to sympathy, in fact, no reference to abuse except indirectly.

The single reference is to fictional "resident promoters of homosexuality."

You throw out argumentative comment with the firm intention of provoking exactly the response you get. You would have NO hesitation in naming another who did that as a troll, so what else would YOU call yourself?

I can't be bothered any more with dealing with single issue nutcases who ignore evidence, deny fact, and scream about everybody else's life instead of getting a life themselves.

Good luck with it, matey, beat your brains out. It's your funeral.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:28 AM

Just for the record, GtS, your own biases taint your reportage. Jesus is not quoted as saying: Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and of Caesar.

It is your own agenda that made you bring in politics. Don't you think your credibility would improve if you stuck to truth?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:51 AM

ok, now we've reached the point in the 'debate'
when folk are searching for relevant quotes in the Bible...

I might as well refer to an equally useful
and much more contemporary source of contemplations on socio-cultural mores and received wisdom..

"sickipedia"


"My neighbours just found out that I'm on the sex offenders list
and have demanded that I move out of the area
as they fear that I am a danger to their son.

Their son? I'm a paedophile, I'm not gay."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:18 PM

Ebbie:Leaven of Herod or Herodians > Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Mar 12:13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

Matthew 22:15-16 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk. 16. And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

Herod was descended from a family of Edomites - his mother was a Samaritan. Appointed by Rome, he was not a Jew but became ruler or king over the Jews, and made religion part of the state. It is reported that many Jews did not accept Herod as the legitimate king, because he was not from the lineage of David, and was appointed by Rome.

You are correct, the line was not Caesar, but Herod, appointed by Caesar, from Rome. It still represents the political hypocrisy, of which I was referring. But, Thank you for pointing that out! I mistakenly quoted the study notes, on the subject...but not the meaning.

P.S. I was about to blast away, but I think you can see that I held fire before I checked it out...but as I said before, it does not change the meaning.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:31 PM

erbert, We cross threaded. You are right, at least in the coherent part of your post, but I was merely responding to Don's post, and clarifying to Ebbie's.

But I agree, as stated before, let's stay on topic, though my response to Don was. The clarification was just that, a clarification...GfS

In the course of my clarification, it underlined, even better than I originally stated, about mixing the hypocrisy found in religious world, into the hypocrisy of the political world, and actually agreeing with Don(can it be??).

That being said, and a little off topic, so I won't dwell on it much more in this thread, let's not confuse 'religion' with the spiritual, nor let's not confuse politics with truth!!!..GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: meself
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:53 PM

Were the Pharisees paedophiles, then? And were the Edomites sodomites? I'm confused.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 01:00 PM

I should have checked, no doubt. I only knew that Caesar was not in the admonition. As in many cases of the bible, the line is given in several books.

The one I am familiar with is in Matthew, not Mark: Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

It then goes on to say the well-known "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM

GfS, 'tis said that "Even the Devil quotes Scripture."

I have yet to find a bigot who wasn't able to quote vast quantities of the Bible to support his or her position. Invariably, however, the Scripture they chose to quote is taken out of context and combined with other verses, also taken out of context, in a convoluted effort to try to make the Bible appear to support some totally outrageous idea that is not remotely endorsed by Judaism and/or Christianity. Everything from Millenialists and Rapture nuts to serial killers to hate-mongers. And bigots. Especially bigots.

Also, knowing the history of how the Bible was put together in the first place, then edited and fiddled with by bishops, abbeys, and scribes, I know that one is on very thin ice when on tries to claim that the Bible is "the inerrant word of God." Obviously, therefore, I am not a Fundamentalist.

Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through, not just hopping from verse to disconnected verse like a frog with the hiccups. And if it's something I'm not sure about, I can telephone any or all of six Lutheran pastors, a couple of Baptists, a Methodist, a couple of Episcopalians, and a Catholic priest and ask. When someone is trying to con me, I know it.

Don Firth

P. S. Also, I recognize Ake's feeble attempt to repeat the canard that all homosexuals are pedophiles. This is a favorite bit of misinformation that homophobes have either bought themselves in their self-chosen ignorance, or even knowing that it's not the case, are trying to get others to believe. Not to mention your particular hobby-horse from previous threads that same-sex orientation is a matter of choice (long since disproved) rather that an inborn predisposition.

I also know why you have a vested interest in that position.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:09 PM

By the way, about 70% of the votes have been counted and the out-of-state supposedly Christian-based attempt to have Washington State's domestic partnership law repealed appears to be going down in defeat.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Paul Burke
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:40 PM

, but many of the posts contain no expression of sympathy for the abused children or their families

I quote your OP in its entirety:

Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this
      from our resident promoters of homosexuality!

Full of sympathy for the children and thgeir families. And still no explkanation of why you are so opposed to male homosexual paedophilia, while ignoring the (possibly more common) heterosexual and (possibly less common) female homosexual varieties.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:08 PM

I recognize Ake's feeble attempt to repeat the canard that all homosexuals are pedophiles.

Has he ever actually asserted that?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:29 PM

Yes, Kevin, in the previous thread about California's Proposition 8. A bit of a confession, in fact, and one that he/she probably wishes he/she hadn't made, because it reveals a great deal about why he/she insists on holding that position.

Has to do with fear that the recently discovered evidence that sexual orientation may be a genetic predisposition rather than a matter of free choice is true. Lots of supporting evidence that GfS vociferously denies. On the basis of one of GfS's posts on that thread, I have a pretty good idea why.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:37 PM

Sorry, Kevin, I misread your post. Ake rather than GfS (but what I said regarding GfS's motivation still holds).

Ake's implication that all homosexuals are pedophiles is inherent in his original post. The very fact that he chose to post that story and try to use it to attack "our resident promoters of homosexuality" says so eloguently.

Clear as crystal.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:49 PM

"Clear as crystal" is another of those treacherous metaphors, because the view one sees through crystal,is often very far from clear.

Which paradoxically may in fact make it an appropriate metaphor in this particular case.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM

C'mon, Kevin. Picky picky picky.

My meaning is perfectly clear, even if you find the metaphor "treacherous."

I could get quite specific, complete with quotes from former posts on the aforementioned other thread, but I chose not to at the moment.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:15 PM

Kevin, if you don't find Ake's intended meaning perfectly clear, go to the beginning of the thread and read his original post.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:21 PM

"Ake's implication that all homosexuals are pedophiles is inherent in his original post."

I think I would clarify Ake's implication which was that If you leave a gay man with kids long enough and deny him access to other gay men, he will turn to them for release - while a heterosexual man would not do the same thing.

The rationale appears to be that one is either a pervert or not and that as Gays are perverts therefore they would enjoy doing the things other perverts do - and as gays and pedophiles are all perverts therefore child abuse is a natural release for a homosexual.

And all this has been churning round in his head for years, during which time, the thought of two men having sex has frequently upset him.

Personally, I tend not to spend my time thinking about two men having sex.