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Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010
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Subject: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,WYS not logged in Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:14 PM A good friend of mine (with whom I have not spoken for year) used to play a major role in island government and their area's Red Cross, so he's especially in my prayers; he may still be there and have been hurt or he may be called in to help.... I ask prayers and good thoughts for his safety so he can help his people in the current earthquake tragedy. And of course for all of the affected people there and elsewhere, and all the helpers rushing to offer aid. Frankly I didn't know if this should be a music thread or not, since so many of us have drawn musical inspiration from the area-- whatever! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: bubblyrat Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:28 PM The US response ,in terms of projected aid operations,is both admirable and gratifying,and is precisely what one would expect of such a great nation,irrespective of how many US citizens may or may not be currently on Haiti. I wonder just how many of the Muslim nations,who hate us so much,will also be sending ships,aircraft,doctors,nurses,firemen,aid-workers,food,medicines,etc ?? Libya?? Syria??Palestine?? Iran?? Iraq?? Afghanistan ?? Egypt??Algeria?? Makes you wonder, doesn't it ?? |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: The Sandman Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:32 PM bubbly rat, " quote " I wonder just how many of the Muslim nations,who hate us so much,will also be sending ships,aircraft,doctors,nurses,firemen,aid-workers,food,medicines,etc ?? Libya?? Syria??Palestine?? Iran?? Iraq?? Afghanistan ?? Egypt??Algeria?? Makes you wonder, doesn't it ??" is that really necessary to make such an inflammatory statement,there has been a disaster in Haiti, why bring in an attack upon muslim nations? |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Genie Date: 13 Jan 10 - 12:38 PM Bubbly, you could probably find answers to those last questions if they're not just rhetorical. : ) Here's a good intermediary: [[ Wyclef Jean's Haiti Earthquake Relief Mission: Haiti's Most Famous Son Calls for Help Updated: Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 11:21 AM EST Published : Wednesday, 13 Jan 2010, 10:12 AM EST By FRANK CARNEVALE (MYFOX NATIONAL) - Wyclef Jean is taking the lead in asking for help and assistance for the millions of people affected by the massive earthquake that struck Haiti. According to his Twitter post, the singer, born on the island, is headed to Haiti Wednesday morning, "I am on my way to the D R to get to haiti Please urge you council men governors etc we need a state of emergency for haiti." "Haiti today faced a natural disaster of unprecedented proportion, an earthquake unlike anything the country has ever experienced," Jean wrote on his Web site . The earthquake, the largest the island has seen in more than 200 years, struck around 4:50 p.m. on Tuesday. Jean has set up a donation page on his Yele Haiti Foundation Web site (the site has been down Wednesday morning, possibly due to high traffic). According to Wikipedia Jean set up the foundation and yele.org in 2005 to provide scholarships to children in Haiti after the devastation by Hurricane Jeanne. On his Web site Jean said people can make a donation by texting "Yele" to 501501, which will automatically donate $5 to the Yele Haiti Earthquake Fund (it will be charged to your cell phone bill.) He spoke on CNN Tuesday night and said he was talking to a friend on the phone in Haiti when she said, "I think an earthquake is coming," and the call was dropped. After contacting her again he was told that buildings were collapsing. "There are 4 million Haitians outside of Haiti and this is the time for ... them to step up and call their congressman," Jean told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "We need a state of emergency right now." Jean's sister and family are also working to get aid to the nation. Melky Jean spoke to WNYW-TV Wednesday and said that she has been contacting people through Facebook and Twitter while cell phone coverage has been spotty. "We're hoping for the best. The Haitian people are very resilient," she said. Watch Jeans' interview with CNN Tuesday night: (Link available w the article)]] |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: bubblyrat Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:14 PM I am not trying to be inflammatory.I am merely asking a question that,to me at least,seems to be perfectly relevant to the current situation. I live in Britain,a country whose soldiers are being killed on a daily basis,in Afghanistan,for reasons that many of us do not,and cannot,understand,fighting a war that we do not,and cannot,understand,against a people whose religion we do not,and cannot,understand. I merely wished to make the observation that,in my personal experience of 62 years of life,there do not seem to have been many,if any,natural disasters involving loss of life among "infidels" where representatives of the governments and armed forces of the countries,and others,that I mentioned,have broken off or deferred their Jihads or Fatwahs,or whatever ,in order to selflessly rush to the aid,on a NATIONAL ( not personal----I don't deny that) basis,in order to save,succour,or minister to,large numbers of Jews or Christians in their time of need . That's all. I shall be DELIGHTED to be proved wrong !! Is that not what fora such as these are for ?? Get real ! |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,WYS not Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM Since the population is largely Catholic (according to reports), bubbly, IMO it IS a relevant question-- for me, just on the basis of practicality. With experience both in Red Cross and our denomination's Episcopal Relief and Development (ARC and ERD), and with our good diocesan history of helping with disasters--- if we want to send $$ quickest we'll need to know to whom to send it, all other charity considerations aside. This disaster is just so huge that frankly, at the moment, I do not know where it's best for me to send what I can, even tho I know so much about disaster relief-- because the tech revolution since I was with ARC has changed so many things. That's why, BTW, this is a PRAYER AND GOOD THOUGHTS request and not an offer to debate religion or specific charities-- but just a request for prayer and good thoughts-- people can and will decide for themselves (me included, no worries) what to do about aid. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Rasener Date: 13 Jan 10 - 01:29 PM A very sad time for them. My thoughts are with them. Having lived at the epicentre and experiencing a slighly less volatile earthquake 2 years ago, I can well understand how frightening and devastating it is for them.. Earthquake DATE : 27 February 2008, ORIGIN TIME : 00:56 47.8s UTC, LAT/LONG : 53.404 ° North / 0.331 ° West, DEPTH : 18.6 km, MAGNITUDE : 5.2 ML, LOCALITY : Market, Rasen, Lincolnshire, INTENSITY: 6 EMS I know, I shook through it. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 13 Jan 10 - 02:18 PM Good to see that Oxfam already have the 'Help Needed For Haiti Earthquake' signs up in their window in Torquay... My daughter and I helped out during the Boxing Day Tsunami a few years back, as Oxfam in Sidmouth were literally inundated with donations, to the point where they could barely cope...and I'd imagine this will be exactly the same, in all the charity shops.. Yes, prayers and good thoughts being sent, but the charity workers from all around the world, the International Rescue people will be doing even more than prayers can do, right now...God Bless 'Em all... And Radio Devon was interviewing just such a man earlier on this evening, who's about to go over there to help out with some friends...after he'd just spent last night out in the snow, helping the hundreds and hundreds of car passengers who were trapped all night long on Haldon Hill outside Exeter... "Do you consider yourself a hero?" she asked him... "Good heavens NO!" he replied "I'm just an ordinary person helping others, that's all" We all know it's very far from all, and that all those who risk their lives to help others are very special people. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: gnu Date: 13 Jan 10 - 02:25 PM Gosh... just read a "possible" 500,000 dead. Horrific! |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Genie Date: 13 Jan 10 - 04:21 PM And that's just the dead, gnu. There are probably millions more who are injured, ill, orphaned, homeless, starving, and otherwise destitute. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: SINSULL Date: 13 Jan 10 - 04:53 PM Prayers and a donation to Doctors Without Borders. The Haitian Embassy requests that donations be made in cash to agencies who are on site and know what and how much to buy. bubblyrat, Lest you be numbered with the infidels, I hope you take this opportunity to donate some cash yourself. SINS |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,WYS-out Date: 13 Jan 10 - 05:27 PM ERD is also on it by now, as I am sure ARC is (via IRC-aid-to-Haiti's Red Cross). ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Michael Harrison Date: 13 Jan 10 - 06:47 PM I shouldn't say this as it is not in keeping with my true political leanings, but... I think it would be in the best interest of Haiti if the U.S. simply established a puppet government then set about building a new Haiti with real businesses and real jobs and change Haiti from being a highly impoverished third-world country to a player down there. Obviously, education, hospitals and other infrastructure would be a part of the equation as well. Exploitation? Sure, it'll be part of the deal, but we're all exploited - it's the American way. It just seems to me that the Haitian people could start living real lives instead of living under the thumb of some a--hole dictator. What do you think?Cheers,..............harrison |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:02 PM I mean no disrespect or lack of sympathy to the victims, but personally, prayer and good thoughts threads make me gag. Such solicitations reek of smarminess, of "put your hands on the radio and be saved" televangelism. Why not have a thread about the earthquake, and let people respond as they wish? I won't change the thread title unless the thread originator asks me to, but I would suggest that a thread title announcing the earthquake and its date would be more appropriate. -Joe Offer, who does not believe in the efficacy of Internet "good vibes"- |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: bobad Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:05 PM Well Michael, I would prefer to see a truly international effort, including countries like China and the Muslim countries coming together in a show of brotherhood and generosity to rebuild the country. I think that would go further than anything else to impress upon this planet's people that we are all in this together and will look after each other for the common good. Do I think this will happen? Not bloody likely but one can dream. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: bobad Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:23 PM A statement from Canada's Governor General Michaëlle Jean, who was born in Haiti: http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/player.html?clipid=1384707282 |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:25 PM Emergency Response workers are going to Haiti from all over the world. Many, many groups and governments are pledging money or food, transportation or rescue workers. China has also offered support. This is NOT a time to say shit like "Sierra Leone, Niger, Eritrea, Central African Republic or Somalia didn't help much." They ain't got much. IMO, singling out who didn't or can't help doesn't mean much at this point. When an Israeli SAR team rescues a kid from that rubble, or money from the Muslim group in the USA ($1,000,000 btw) buys food, blankets--whatever--for people, that's what will make all humans human and make us thank the countries and people who 'put it on the line' for those they have never met and likely will never see again. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: mg Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:31 PM Water. Food. Clothes. Crowbars. We have all that in abundance. It is one of the tragedies of these disasters that we can not send physical things. I know it is easier just getting money, but sometimes, like in Katrina..goods were needed and were stopped from reaching the people who needed them. It is 700 or so miles from Florida. They come from Haiti in leaky ships. We should be filling containers right now in good ships and hopefully Desert or some group is, as well as people sending money. mg |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:33 PM 'PEOPLE around the world are rushing to give aid to the victims of the devastating earthquake in Haiti. Find out how you can help too. Reputable organisations accepting donations to help victims of the earthquake. UNICEF has a fund set up to help affected children and is accepts donations of any size. AmeriCares specialises in international emeregncy relief and lifsaving aid around the world. They accept donations from $50. World Vision Australia has an international emergency and prepardness fund. The American Red Cross is also accepting donations through their International Response Fund. Pictures: Earthquake hits Haiti A glance at some of the international aid pledges for victims of the earthquake in Haiti: - The United Nations is releasing $10 million from its emergency funds. - The Irish telecommunications company Digicel said it would donate $5 million to aid agencies and help repair the damaged phone network. - The European Commission has approved euro3 million ($4.37 million) with more funds likely. - Spain has pledged euro3 million ($4.37 million), and sent three planes with rescue teams and 100 tons of emergency relief equipment. - The Netherlands has donated euro2 million ($2.91 million) and will send a 60-person search-and-rescue team. - Germany gave euro1.5 million ($2.17 million) and sent an immediate response team. Another team with 20 rescue dogs is on standby. - China will donate $1 million, according to Xinhua News Agency. - Sweden has offered 6 million kronor ($850,000) along with tents, water purification equipment and medical aid. - Venezuela has sent doctors, firefighters and rescue workers. - Mexico will send doctors, search-and-rescue dogs and infrastructure damage experts. - France is sending two planes with doctors, food and medical equipment. - Britain has sent 64 firefighters with search-and-rescue dogs and 10 tons of equipment - Iceland is sending 37 search-and-rescue specialists. - Taiwan is flying in 23 rescue personnel and 2 tons of aid and equipment. - Israel is sending an elite army rescue unit including engineers, rescue workers, doctors and medics.' I'll add to that list: a Muslim Relief group in the USA has/is sending a million dollars. Canada has pledged five million. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Donuel Date: 13 Jan 10 - 07:49 PM Our county is sending 42 tons of equipment and thier famous search rescue team. When you realize that the UN staff, Catholic church leaders, embassy employees of many nations and the Hatian goverment officials are all among the dead, the mind reels. FEMA is still trying to get rid of all the Katrina trailers. Now is thier chance. As for the acerbic dig of Arab nations, desert countries tend not to have a navy. Before all is said and done SA and UAE will undoubtedly donate some kind of relief. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: bobad Date: 13 Jan 10 - 08:03 PM If the comments re. Muslim country involvement are aimed at my post let me point out that I was making reference to Michael Harrison's suggestion that the US should occupy and rebuild Haiti to it's advantage. I was suggesting that an international effort, including countries like China and the Muslim countries would be preferable - I was not referring to the the relief effort. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jan 10 - 08:05 PM Sorry, bobad. I was backhandedly referring to a post way-near the top of this thread. I hope you took no offence. Hell, I have always known where your heart's at. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: GUEST,wys-out Date: 13 Jan 10 - 08:29 PM Joe, as you know-- you can amend the thread title to add quake date, etc., but you need not change it completely. Perhaps "Prayers/Good Thoughts: Haitian Quake [date]" ~S~
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Beer Date: 13 Jan 10 - 10:08 PM Ever get that helpless feeling. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Beer Date: 13 Jan 10 - 11:37 PM I wish I was 20/30 years younger. ad. |
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Subject: RE: Prayers and Good Thoughts for Haiti From: Amergin Date: 14 Jan 10 - 12:26 AM Well according to Pat Robertson it happened because they made a deal with the devil to over throw the French.... |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: open mike Date: 14 Jan 10 - 03:07 AM Red cross interview (beware..it starts with an ad) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Ak-Ze87Fc estimates are that over 100,000 deaths may be caused by this. one casualty was a complete hospital destroyed. one million dollars have been received, and plans for 5 million dollars to soon be dedicated to the project/rehab. etc. this is said to be the worst disaster there in 100 - 200 years http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/12/haiti.earthquake/index.html |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: skarpi Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:39 AM Icelandic team was the second one , after the Us team who came there to get the airfield runnin again , my brother is on that team and my god , they said that its like Hell bodys all over , blood every where ..... they have already started now and I hope the others are coming soon this task is HUGE . kv Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:09 AM Thwe 20 young women who were in Haiti to help build a church and school have been located and are OK. They are now offering what nursing services they can handle. They too are living on the streets, most too afraid to go inside anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Lighter Date: 14 Jan 10 - 09:46 AM I thought Amergin was kidding, but no. Even Fox News ran the Robertson clip with explicit disgust. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 14 Jan 10 - 11:15 AM Incredible, isn't it? People dead and dying, children left as orphans, thousands,possibly millions, homeless, and that smarmy low life berates them for an imaginary transgression to his "faith". I read the article twice before I realized it was true. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Lighter Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:21 PM But Sinsull, if it's their own damn fault, then good people, like Robertson's fans, have nothing to worry about. I jest, of course. No jest: that's what they want to think. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 14 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM I know. I find myself fighting the urge to wish a deforming cancer to eat away his nose and make his sins public. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Donuel Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:18 PM I don't think disasters are God's will. Insurance companies are happy to think so. You see they all have a contractual clause that says they don't have to pay you if the accident was God's will. The fancy term for this is Force Major. So officially for AIG and every other insurance company in the world, Haiti won't get a dime of insurance benefits since an earthquake is God's will. AIG should pay up and shut up about Gods will. We all paid AIG. they should pay up |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 10 - 02:21 PM But, Donuel! They're in business for profit! We can't let their profits be threatened by such a massive payout, can we? It might cause the collapse of a valuable private industry, after all. We must keep our priorities straight when it comes to that sort of thing. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: mg Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:12 PM 1. Send in General Honore. 2. Declare martial law. 3. Beg for supplies and water especially to come by water as well as what air can be arranged. Search for local water sources that can be purified, but water is a horrible problem there anyway. 4. Ask for local volunteers to collect bodies for burning. Photograph first. This should have been done yesterday. Bodies plus bad water to start with plus heat is a bad combination. 5. Set up camps within a few miles of the main disaster places so those not actively searching or disposing of bodies can be taken care of outside the main area of destruction. 6. Might have problems with voodoo considerations. Must be considerate of culture but disease prevention must be main priority to all faiths. 7. Get interpretors in there fast. 8. well, more later. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:15 PM Logistical problems- Port almost inoperable, problems cannot be straightened out overnight. Airport small in handling capacity; traffic had to hold off while those already on the ground unloaded and took off. Roads from airport to Port-au-Prince and worst damaged areas need repair; some are blocked or almost impassable. Too many people will not get water or emergency attention quick enough; means of helping them have been outstripped. Estimates are 3 million affected. Military personnel to keep order and help with supplies have been dispatched, but take time to set in place. Local volunteers are active, but remember that many have dead or missing family members, and they are in shock. Major tragedies,such as this and the one in Indonesia involve more problems than can be handled in time to save many injured. Money to the Red Cross and similar agencies is the only support most of us can give. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: mg Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:33 PM The whole place is part of an island...surely there are other places boats can land with people even rowing out to help etc. We can not discount the people. Trucks can't make it over buckled roads..some donkeys probably could. Some people carrying heavy packs could. That is why God made young men I think..for just such cases as this. Young women too of course. You could set up water as close as you could get it and tell them that is their only source for now. Some could start walking and make it. You need to get bodies out and those who can not assist in recovery out..to lessen disease problems if nothing else. This place is not that far away from places that have water...does Dominican republic have water? I am sure they are trying to get some to the earthquake areas. The Red Cross does wonderful work and it also needs to be supplemented by volunteers kept at a certain distance from the epicenter. The Red Cross can be obstructionist I think in these situations. People want to help. Some will get in the way but some will bring boatloads of water which I bet like Katrina they are being told to go back home and write a check. Organizations can not move that quickly to keep people from dying of thirst and/or having way more trauma than they need. Some individuals with certain skills and resources can do an awful lot..they do need to be kept behind a certain perimeter I agree..mg |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: mg Date: 14 Jan 10 - 08:34 PM And furthermore..I live in a place that is going to be wiped out in a tsunami with or without an earthquake. Please feel free to come and rescue me. I need someone with a chainsaw and gallons of water and old mothy blankets more than I need money when the day comes. mg |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:34 AM Up to date satellite pictures of Port au Prince, here |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:57 AM Aristide is making noises about going back to Haiti. I think Michael got it right - the US is about to set a puppet to restore order. He was ousted at least twice by military coups. Wonder if the poorest will get anything out of this? Stable government? |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:01 AM No sign od military or police, in any of the news footage I've seen. WTF are they, can't all have perished? |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:07 AM There are pictures in today's papers with clear military presence. People are desperate and shock has turned to anger. This will get very bad very fast. Logistics nightmare: "But into the third day following the 7.0-magnitude quake, the global helping hand was slowed by a damaged seaport and an airport that turned away civilian aid planes for eight hours Thursday because of a lack of space and fuel. Aid workers have been blocked by debris on inadequate roads and by survivors gathered in the open out of fear of aftershocks and re-entering unstable buildings." |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:13 AM Meantime people are still trapped in debris and screaming for help. Severe injuries can't be treated because doctors and supplies can't reach the injured. They will die of infections or lose limbs. The airport is about to run out of fuel. Keep in mind it is not Kennedy Airport - it has no radar - and it was damaged in the quake. I wonder if anyone is sending helicopters via ships? |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:21 AM Yes - helicopters. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/15/haiti.international.aid/ |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:54 AM Unbelievable - Bill Clinton, the UN Special Envoy to Haiti is on the campaign trail in Massachusetts. Guess we know where his priorities lie. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: Rumncoke Date: 15 Jan 10 - 11:21 AM I heard - though I hardly believed it, that overnight (I think the third one after the earthquake) a charity warehouse had been looted of food, water and goods. Wow - I wonder how bad things would have had to get before they handed those things out. Anne Croucher |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: artbrooks Date: 15 Jan 10 - 11:24 AM Well, Clinton may be doing that as well (and there is a lot at stake in that election), but he addressed the UN General Assembly yesterday, the Clinton Foundation has raised $2.6 million for Haitian relief (so far) and he (and GW) are involved with the president in a high-profile appeal. I hardly think that Haiti needs a suit there right now. On a related note, I was upset this morning to read a comment at thesmokinggun.com that seem to say that Wyclif Jean's charity Yele is basically a money-maker for him - or at least that it has some shady expenses. Anyone hear anything to refute this? |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: SINSULL Date: 15 Jan 10 - 11:27 AM I thought the same thing, Anne. Given the poverty and lack of clean drinking water, I wondered why they even had warehouses full of food. I think the problem is still logistics. The roads are blocked. There is no fuel. How do you get the food to the people. Although, I would have opened the doord and let anyone who showed up take a share. It is no doubt an enormous undertaking and wrong to second guess the people trying to get a handle on it. |
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Subject: RE: Major Earthquake in Haiti - 12 January 2010 From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Jan 10 - 12:09 PM What happens when you do that Sins, is people take more than they need, and leave nothing for others. They then sell it on at a profit, I have seen it happen, in Albania. |
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