BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

Christians are being hunted to extinction in the Middle East.

It will be of little comfort to them as they watch their loved ones killed and wait for their death that they are being killed for not being Muslim, and not because they are Christians.

They die for their faith.
By definition they are martyrs.
Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

This thread was started and now reopened by somebody who told us that those living under persecution BY the Christian church was free to go and live else where.
Says everything that needs to be said, as far as I'm concerned.
All this religious fundamentalism, whatever particular denomination, is a threat to anybody it effects.
Too much communion wine parhaps?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:23 AM

"Christian Persecution"

I am not in favour of it!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:43 AM

So, at the last it has come to this.


"Those people died for not being Muslims. The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay".........a disgusting attempt to equate the brutal murder of Christians for not being Muslim and opposition to marriage rights for a tiny sexual minority.

"liberalism in a nutshell"    This is what is behind all the opposition to Christianity on this forum.
I'm an atheist, but many of my friends and neighbours are Christians as far as I know they are all good a decent people, they do no harm to themselves or others, their beliefs are no business of any other.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:44 AM

Neither am I. Although two things to bear in mind.

There is a lot of persecution of people who aren't the flavour of Islam the murderers tend to be. This is seen as persecuting people for being Christians, where it is for not being Muslim.

There is a lot of resentment and hatred towards the West by those pissed off with historical imperialism and latter day being fucked over. It morphs as comparing religions. The West is wrongly seen as Christian whereas it is secular other than the likes of Cameron trying to get the God vote. He obviously doesn't notice the polls his sort usually worship.

So much for Keith's assertion

They did not die for their faith. If thinking so gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when in your pew, your empathy is misplaced. They died for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It isn't their faith but the perceived link between their faith and the West that terrorists are exploiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:54 AM

"It isn't their faith but the perceived link between their faith and the West that terrorists are exploiting."

Bingo.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:13 AM

"The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay"
The Christian church stood by for decades, probably centuries, while their clergymen raped children - when that abuse became public knowledge, they moved the offending persecutor to places where they could persecute without hindrance.
The hierarchy of the church in question still refuse access to the documented information regarding that persecution.
"Christian" extremists, egged on by fanatical clergymen, encouraged inter-religious fighting which led to the deaths of many thousands of people in Northern Ireland.
No religion is any more trustworthy than another when it comes to religious persecution.
Do not trivialise the result of religious persecution by one sect in order to excuse that of another.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:15 AM

I'm surprised you aren't religious Akenaton. You are certainly stupid enough and bigoted enough, judging by your post above.

I was talking of Christian lobbying in Uganda, USA, Russia etc, and even here, to make being gay an offence. The church funded lobby in Uganda even wanted to make it a capital offence. Pastors, priests and Imans line up to persecute gay people, to the point of killing them in countries where superstition reins supreme.

Nobody gives a flying Fuck about your weird irrational views on who has the right to be married and who isn't. In your neck of the woods, SNP fought hard for equality in marriage and their voters are proud of their resolve. Everybody has the right, except Church of England vicars, who are being persecuted by a law pushed by their own church.

Complicated thing this persecution lark. Good job the vast majority are irreligious in The UK although as you clearly demonstrate, religions don't have the monopoly on hating others do they?

Anyone got a bucket?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:24 AM

Oh I know very well the twisted point you were trying to make Musket 1,2, or 3.

I need no excuses from you.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:27 PM

"I need no excuses from you."
It would be interesting to get a response on persecution by the Christian Church of other religions - don't suppose there's one forthcoming though
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:33 PM

My irrational stalker gets more weird by the post. Keep this up and I will be able to stab a good guess at when he forgets to take his medication.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:43 PM

Can we move the discussion along for a change of pace to the "War On Christmas" or any of the numerous other fundagelical "Christian"[sic] idiocies?

How about The Rupture? 'scuse me - Rapture.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM

Jim, the Pope did pray for persecution victims other than Christians, but please allow Christians to speak out against the many massacres of their fellow Christians.

Why does any mention of those massacres make you people so angry?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM

Christians are being hunted to extinction

And long overdue, too, Keith - the chickens coming home to roost - if only in just retribution for the untold millions that "Christians"[sic] have exterminated over the last 2000+ years in the name of their faith.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:35 PM

Greg, last time you made a comment like that and were challenged on it, you said you did not mean it.

Christians are being hunted to extinction
And long overdue, too, Keith

Please Greg, so we know where you are coming from, please tell us if you are just joking with us or if you really mean that.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:36 PM

Fact is that Muslims are no better than Christians in the massacre department.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:36 PM

"Jim, the Pope did pray for persecution victims"
Which Pope in particular - up to the present one, they supported the persecution with their silence and their manipulation
A bit late now, doncha think (and still no access to the archives or reparation in full for the Magdalene!!)
"please allow Christians to speak out against the many massacres of their fellow Christians." Nobody is stopping them - just pointoing out tat they have all been at it at one time or another - ask the Muslim victims of Christian persecution in former Yugoslavia.
"Why does any mention of those massacres make you people so angry?"
It doesn't - using them to continue sectarian warfare is what does the trick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM

ask the Muslim victims of Christian persecution in former Yugoslavia

It was Western forces, including the British Army, who put a stop to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM

Are you disputing the fact that "Chrstians"[sic] have exterminated untold millions in the name of their faith, Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:47 PM

Greg, yes.
I have answered your question, so please answer mine.


Jim,

Subject: BS: British Army at it again
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:00 AM

Hundreds of British troops have had to be sent home from Bosnia.
They and other EU forces are no longer needed to keep the peace and rebuild.
The Muslim people NATO moved in to protect are now secure.
And not a drop of oil in the place.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:09 PM

"Hundreds of British troops have had to be sent home from Bosnia."
Where does this condemn the fact that the Massacres by Christians massacring Muslims?
All religious persecution is evil ignoring, excusing or even supporting any form of religious persecution while making a special case for another is equally evil
Let's here it for religious persecution of any kind instead of when the biter gets bitten
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:29 PM

Jim, we did not just condemn it, we acted to stop it by putting our own people in harms way.

Musket,
As I said, nobody died for their beliefs, they died for the belief of the blokes with the guns.
They died for the religion of the criminals who killed them.

After Charlie Hebdo, you said that the killers' religion was not relevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:12 PM

If your hobby is so clever,why feel the need to misquote?

Face it. Nobody died because they are Christians, they died because they aren't Muslim.

Your "we are in it together" martyr syndrome just allows you to perpetuate the hate these criminals feel and turn it into some Armageddon fallacy.

Fight the good fight. Onward Christian soldiers. The inane smile isn't so obvious when you come across real believers is it?

You may as well shout that some had the same hairstyle as you. It is sickening that Christians are putting up the myth that their hobby is under threat. They killed normal people too you prat.

It isn't Islam that is perverted, it is religion. The sooner the idiots in government realise they are a minority and can be disenfranchised without losing too many votes, the better.

Religion is a force for bad shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:21 PM

"Jim, we did not just condemn it, we acted to stop it"
Yiu are deliberately avoiding the point
By "we" I assume you don't mean Christians - not interested what the British Government does - she only obeys her masters voice.
Th massacres in former Yugoslavia were carried out by Christians slaughtering Muslims - doesn't come any more complicated than that.
Lets see if we can't clear a few things up.
All sectarian persecution is evil no matter who does what to whom
A bunch of religious fanatics who go around slaughtering people is no more or less evil than a bunch of clergymen who rape children or inciting murderous sectarian hatred.   
How am I doing so far?
Any church who condones or actively supports such behaviour is inherently evil and unfit to hold public office,
Any problems with that?.
All the major religions have been guilty of such behaviour to one extent or another in the relatively recent past.
There - yes or no, simple as that?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:39 PM

The "we" in his case here includes the vast majority of soldiers who believe in beer, sex, wanking and football.

Also includes many soldiers who are from other faiths. In fact, Christians are less represented in the army than in the street.

Can you be clear who you mean when you say "we" Keith? You use "we" to mean God botherer in this thread so clarity when you mean "British soldier of multiple or usually non religion "

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:56 PM

By the way - The United Nations sent troops to Bosnia - Britain was only one of 41 other nations who went as part of the United Nations Protective Force, the others being Argentina, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Jordan, Kenya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, the Russian Federation, Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:16 PM

Q: Are you disputing the fact that "Chrstians"[sic] have exterminated untold millions...

A: Greg, yes. I have answered your question...

Wrong answer, Keith; in your own favorite, childish phrase, you lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 03:27 AM

It seems we are to get no response from Keith so, as expected, persecution is only persecution when it is done by Muslims and not too them - no surprises then!
Rather interesting phenomenon when scrolling down this now unmanageable thread, due to its size.
It invariably get's stuck on the massive list of Muslim atrocities supplied by Booboo - all lifted from the extremist 'Muslim Watch' site, which appears to sum up the Islamophobic nature of many of these arguments.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 03:42 AM

By Keith's logic, I reckon I was being religiously persecuted when I ran out of "Cuprinol" shed paint yesterday and bloody B&Q was shut. Didn't half soak the bugger up.

Oh and matting for my hanging baskets.

Guess where I am going shortly.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 05:36 AM

Britain's contribution to protecting Muslim people in Bosnia.

Peacekeeping efforts in Bosnia, between 1992 and 1995. In 1994, there were 2,450 British soldiers serving with the UN Protection Force, a contribution second only to that of the French.
4. Stabilisation in Bosnia, between the end of the war in 1995 and 2002. Britain had several hundred troops deployed in Bosnia to ensure there was no return to the conflict which had raged for three years.

Kosovo 1999. The RAF deployed Tornados as part of a 78-day bombing campaign to halt the ethnic cleansing of Albanian Muslims. By April 26, they had carried out around 350 attack sorties, about 10 per cent of the overall attack effort by that stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 05:46 AM

So Jim, of course persecution is bad whoever the victim.

The persecution of Christians and the massacres are being largely ignored.
No international forces are being deployed to save them, as happened for the Muslims in Bosnia and CAR.
The Pope called it silent complicity.

That is why I raised it again here.
Why does it make you angry?

Greg, I did answer your question.
You did not say that it had to comply with your prejudices.
So, were you being serious when you said the massacres are "long overdue, too, Keith ?"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:35 AM

"So Jim, of course persecution is bad whoever the victim."
I asked specific questions - you refuse o respond
One more time
By "we" I assume you don't mean Christians - not interested what the British Government does - she only obeys her masters voice.
Th massacres in former Yugoslavia were carried out by Christians slaughtering Muslims - doesn't come any more complicated than that.
Lets see if we can't clear a few things up.
All sectarian persecution is evil no matter who does what to whom
A bunch of religious fanatics who go around slaughtering people is no more or less evil than a bunch of clergymen who rape children or inciting murderous sectarian hatred.   
How am I doing so far?
Any church who condones or actively supports such behaviour is inherently evil and unfit to hold public office,
Any problems with that?.
All the major religions have been guilty of such behaviour to one extent or another in the relatively recent past.
There - yes or no, simple as that?
Please respond to all points - are not Christians and guilty as Muslim extremists in carrying ou sectarian atrocities, especially as Nigerian Christians are now killing Muslims who fled Boko Harem attacks
They are, in fact, as bad as one another.
Let's see if you are in agreement with that one.
"Why does it make you angry?"
The only thing that makes me angry is your hypocrisy - all sectarian extremism is unacceptable - why only condemn only one side? - let's here it for the Nigerian Muslims being slaughtered by Christians
Nobody challenged Britain's role in Bosnia - they responded as a member of the U.N. as did many other countries - certainly not on humanitarian grounds, as you suggested.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:42 AM

Greg F states that persecution of Christians is overdue. That is a vile statement. Any decent human being would condemn persecution, regardless of victims or perpetrators.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:59 AM

Jim, please state plainly questions you want me to answer.
let's here it for the Nigerian Muslims being slaughtered by Christians
What Muslims slaughtered by Christians?
The slaughtering is done by Boko Haram and it is Christians they single out.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:06 AM

Guardian this year,
(Boko Haram) killed more than 10,000 people last year alone, according to the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations. More than a million people are displaced inside Nigeria and hundreds of thousands have fled across its borders into Chad and Cameroon.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:24 AM

"Jim, please state plainly questions you want me to answer."
Oh, fr crying out loud!!
These problems are ones of religion as a whole, not one particular religion
Advocating for one while refusing to acknowledge the other is taking sides - which is exactly what you are doing
Christians are just as likely to carry out atrocities as are members of any other religion - see Nigeria
Yes or no?
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:46 AM

Christians are just as likely to carry out atrocities as are members of any other religion - see Nigeria

In theory of course, but it is not what we see.
Christians are being massacred all over the Middle East and many parts of Africa.

Where are there Muslims massacred by Christians Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 08:20 AM

There we have it - Northern Ireland, Nigeria, former Yugoslavia, atrocities carried out at the behest of the Christian Church - no atrocities
What I said unless it's Muslims doing it it ain't an atrocity.
"The slaughtering is done by Boko Haram and it is Christians they single out"
News reports today describe Christians murdering Muslims who fled Bokum Harem - deny it or condemn it.
You are a hypocrite and your hypocrisy makes you and every other hypocrite part of the problem.
Until religious bodies are forcibly forbidden to play any role other than spiritual (and that under the strictest supervision) these conflicts will continue and people will continue to die and kill in the name of their particular deity.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:19 AM

People are being slaughtered. The religion of those slaughtering is the key, not the assumed religion or none of the victims. Church leaders obscenely jump on the stories to make people feel guilty about pushing religious nonsense to the fringes of society.

I hope Welby is good at praying. Calling victims martyrs is beyond contempt and gives comfort to the criminals doing the killing.

Sick puppies. (By the way, it seems a number of vicars and others in the church agree with me according to some reports.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:30 AM

A brief review for the benefit of Brendan et. al.:

sar·casm
/sär,kazəm/

noun: sarcasm; plural noun: sarcasms

The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
    "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
    synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;

i·ro·ny
/īrənē/

noun: irony

The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
    ""Don't go overboard with the gratitude," he rejoined with heavy irony"
    synonyms: sarcasm, causticity, cynicism, mockery, satire, sardonicism

sar·don·ic
sär/dänik/

adjective: sardonic

    grimly mocking or cynical.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:56 AM

News reports today describe Christians murdering Muslims who fled Bokum Harem - deny it or condemn it.

Please show us Jim.
I would certainly condemn such murders.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 11:00 AM

Greg F, delighted that you know how to use a dictionary. Doesn't change my view of what you said or the insight it gives into your character.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 11:15 AM

I am wed a full apology for your assertion that I was lying – I don't expect one – you don't do that sort of thing
I do expect an acknowledgement that Christians are just as likely to carry out sectarian murder as any other religious group
Going on the squirming that has taken place so far, I don't expect that either
Jim Carroll

From today's Times
CHRISTIANS TAKE REVENGE AS BOKOA HAREM IS DRIVEN OUT
Sectarian fury sweeps through a Nigerian town cleared of jihadists. Jerome Starkey reports from Michika
The oldest scars were smooth and dark, diagonal stripes across the right side of Ismail Ahmed's back, beneath an open sore. The fresher wounds were still pink.
Mr Ahmed had been arrested by the Nigerian army on suspicion of helping Boko Haram, but the tears he shed were for his brother, Umaru, who the soldiers had shot dead, he said.
The men had been hiding in the mountains outside Gulak, northeast¬ern Adamawa state, when in February the army advanced with vigilantes to recapture the town from Boko Haram.
"The vigilantes said we should come down and nothing would happen to us," Mr Ahmed said. "I went back. I stayed in my house for three weeks. Then the soldiers came and blindfolded me and took me to their base."
He spent four days in a military pris¬on, where he was flogged, and eight days in a police cell, in the state capital Yola, before he was released without charge last week.
His brother, a farmer, had been hid¬ing in another village and had waited longer to come down. His family did not learn that he was dead until a neigh¬bour called last week.
"They said he was trying to get home when he met the soldiers who took him away and killed him," Mr Ahmed said.
Nigeria's armed forces, with help from neighbouring Chad, Niger and Cameroon, have recorded a series of victories in recent months, retaking ground from the insurgents after years of routs and humiliating inertia.
Yet many Muslims who were
displaced by the fighting are afraid to go home for fear of harassment from the military or reprisals from their Christian neighbours, who bore the brunt of Boko Haram's savagery.
Saleh Jibril, who fled to a refugee camp in Yola, said that a friend had found his wife floating in a river with herhandstiedbehindher back after she tried to hike through the mostly Christ¬ian district of Michika, about 20 miles south of their home in Gulak, in March.
Salihi Ateequ, a member of the Adamawa state Muslim Council, said his sister, Hinidiyatu Tijjani, also went back to Michika soon after it was liberated, to check on their mother who had stayed behind.
"She spent four days in Michika, but as she was coming back she was ambushed,'' Mr Ateequ said.
She was carrying a baby on her back, and both of them were hacked to death with cutlasses.
"The Christians in Michika believe the Muslims invited Boko Haram to come and kill them," Mr Ateequ added. "So now it's vengeance and every Muslim is a target."
The tensions in Michika predate Boko Haram. The town already had wo market days, one on Saturday for Christians and one on Sunday for Muslims. It also had two rival water companies, selling plastic sachets of drinking water. GBM [God Bless Michka] Water was launched in 2012, resi¬dents said, because Christians refused to drink, or were unable to buy, the Muslim-owned Kaigama brand.
The road to Michika district was scarred with burnt-out shops and churches when The Times visited last week. School buildings were partially collapsed and the central mosque had been bombed by aircraft during the Nigerian advance. At least four major bridges had been destroyed and a Boko Haram tank, emblazoned with the insurgents' black logo, sat where it been abandoned.
At a church in Bazza the insurgents decapitated a life-size, fibreglass statue of St Peter and burnt the parish records office.
In Michika they had painted over shop signs and notices, as if the very words were an affront to their mission to prohibit western education. Arabic words were scrawled on the walls and a bank appeared to have been looted.
"The shops are all closed. Even if you have money, there is nothing to buy," said Cosmas Tizhe, a university lecturer.
Most of the people left there were either women or vigilantes. Local offi¬cials said that women returned before their husbands because they were less likely to be killed by Boko Haram and less likely to be suspected by the army.
"In the villages, almost all of the houses are burnt," Peter Salihu Gogura, Michika's commissioner for housing and urban development, said. "If the government comes in to rebuild these houses, definitely we can have peace, but if the government doesn't act, we will have problems."
Mr Gogura, who has both Muslim and Christian names, said the indige¬nous Christian Higgi tribe had a proud history of coexisting with the migrant Muslim traders, but he warned that Boko Haram had strained relations to breaking point.
"When somebody goes home and sees his house has been razed and he has nothing to eat and nowhere to lay his head, it's not easy. My fear is that as human beings, if you go home to nothing, and you know the people who caused this, you may not see eye to eye with them," he said.
For Umaru's widows, the decision not to go back was easy. "There is nothing for us to go back to," said Hawa, 39. But Mr Ahmed said he had no choice.
"I have to get back to prepare the fields," he said. "All we can do is pray to God to join our minds."

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 12:04 PM

Jim, I did not accuse you of lying.
I asked to see the reports you referred to.

You have provided only one, which was not available to me because I do not subscribe to The Times.

It reports three murders, none of them seen by the journalist.
If they are true, I unreservedly condemn them as strongly as each of the ten thousand Christians murdered in Nigeria just last year.

Thankfully, no reports of any massacres by Christians such as those inflicted on Christians in so many places.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 12:19 PM

Come, now, Brendan - just consider for a moment the amount of bad karma "Christians"[sic] have accumulated over two millenia. I also seem to recall something the "Christian"[sic] deity communicated in Galatianz VI : "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Do you doubt the word of God?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 01:25 PM

Professor, instead of qualifying your response why not just condemn the killing of Muslims by Christians.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 01:34 PM

"Jim, I did not accuse you of lying."
You implied I was
"It reports three murders, none of them seen by the journalist."
So the journalists were lying?
"the ten thousand Christians murdered in Nigeria just last year."
Can you prove ten thousand Christians were murdered last year - did the journalists count them?
You are a very bigoted individual?
These murders are religiously based whether they be Christian, Muslim, or those carried out by the Israelis, allegedly on behalf of the Jewish people.
It is no particular religion that is to blame, it is the power and authority that Churchmen take upon themselves - no religion is better than another in this matter and it is despicable to count heads to say they are.
All religions will continue to be a danger while they are allowed to dabble in politics.
This is an example of British Christianity for you - I don't suppose it registers on your sectarian Richter scale
Jim Carroll

WASHINGTON, June 3, 2014 — Some Muslims in Northern Ireland have announced plans to leave the country to avoid anti-Islamic violence. The announcement comes after an attack on a Muslim family in the city of Belfast, when crazed rioters broke into their home and assaulted them.

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The home invasion came after remarks from Belfast based Pastor James McConnell, who said in a sermon "The God we worship and serve this evening is not Allah. The Muslim god-Allah-is a heathen deity. Allah is a cruel deity. Allah is a demon deity." He later added that Islam is "a doctrine spawned in hell." Hospitalization was required for at least one of the victims.
A second attack occurred only hours later, also resulting in injuries. Victims told the Northern Ireland News Letter "The victim's friend, who had been cleaning up the broken glass outside the house after an attack earlier that day, said those involved in the attack had called the pair 'dirty Arabs' and 'Paki b******s.'"
The term "Paki" is viewed as a racial slur in Europe , particularly when directed at individuals of Pakistani descent (or of a similar appearance to those who come from Pakistan). The News Letter reports a young woman and a middle aged man have been arrested in connection with the attacks.
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Pastor Paul Burns of Adullam Christian Fellowship Church in Belfast agreed, telling the Belfast Telegraph "When Pastor McConnell is talking about it as a direct teaching of Satan – it is."
The Christian News Network reports "Following McConnell's May 18th sermon, the Police Service of Northern Ireland investigated the preacher for allegations of hate crime. Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness described the preacher's comments as 'hate mongering' and said the anti-Muslim statements 'must be condemned in the strongest possible terms.'"
McGuinness told the Daily Mirror "Coming in the wake of recent spate of disgraceful racist attacks against families in parts of Belfast and elsewhere, such inflammatory comments only serve to fuel hatred … [It is] essential that there is a full and thorough investigation of these comments and their potential to generate further racist attacks."
The First Minister of Northern Ireland, Peter Robinson, has also thrown his support behind Pastor McConnell. According to the BBC "[Robinson] went on to say that he would not trust Muslims either."
The remarks by the Pastor and First Minister have been met with strong criticism from the Christian community. Presbyterian Reverend Dr. Rob Craig spoke out against the remarks to the BBC, stating "They are not consistent with the Gospel of Christ and the love of God. I would be deeply offended if someone were to brand either all Presbyterians or all Christians with some extreme act by someone who claimed to do it in the name of Christ. I want to treat my neighbor as I would want to be treated myself."
"As Christians, it is our duty to spread the love of God across Ireland to those whom we meet and with whom we come into contact, irrespective of nationality, race or creed, and be gracious in doing so," said a spokesperson for another Church to the Belfast Telegraph. "I would reject any generalized view of Muslim people," he continued. "I do not view Islam as a monolithic religion but as taking different expressions and possessing within itself a variety of theological traditions."
"I believe that the Church of Ireland is right to engage in constructive dialogue with other religions. To do so is not to endorse other religious beliefs but is to recognize those of other faiths who are willing to join in such an effort will do so in the right spirit," said Canon Ian Ellis, editor of The Church of Ireland Gazette.
Facing a police investigation over instigating a hate crime, Pastor McConnell has attempted to backpedal by apologizing to the victims of the attack and offering to pay for the damages caused by the home invasion. It is unknown if the offer to pay for the attack counts as a legal admission of guilt in Northern Ireland. First Minister Robinson has also backed away from his remarks. Critics describe the apologies and changes in demeanor as "insincere."
"I'm regretting what happened to me. The friends told me yesterday 'we were right what we told you before, not to go [to Northern Ireland],'" said Muhammad Asif Khattak, a victim of the attack, to BBC.
BBC reports that hate crimes in the country are up 30% from last year, but successful investigations into attacks has plummeted to 20%.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 02:06 PM

Raggy, Yes I condemn the killing of Muslims by Christians, again.

Jim, the journalist may have been lied to.
The story has not been picked up by any other news source.

The figure of ten thousand came from The Guardian quoting The Council on Foreign Relations.
Boko Haram kills Christians not Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 02:35 PM

"I condemn the killing of Muslims by Christians, again."
You have trivialised it by casting doubt on it and by suggesting there were only three - no comment on those who are not able to return to their homes for fear of being murdered.
You have yet to comment on the Christian who is responsible for creating hatred o Muslims in Northern Ireland.
Yoy have never commented on the sectarian inspired bloodbath in Northern Ireland egged on by fanatical clergymen - i fact you have described their hate-marches on the 'Glorious Twelfth as "harmless days out".
To have never recognised the 100,000 Muslims slaughtered by Christins in Bosnia (not to mention the torture, mass rapes and concentration camps) as Christian atrocities - instead, you continue to claim there have been no massacres carried out by Christians.
"Thankfully, no reports of any massacres by Christians such as those inflicted on Christians in so many places."
You are a hypocrite.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 02:42 PM

Greg F, interested to see that you have abandoned your attempt to justify your comment as sarcasm. Also interested to see that you feel that a quote from Galatianz (sic), a      specifically Christian writing which you appear to loathe, somehow justifies your remark.
You have every right to despise Christianity and Christians and I would defend your right to express that. I would not defend your right to suggest that anyone, of whatever creed or persuasion, somehow deserves to be persecuted.
It seems to me that you made a flip, thoughtless remark that you realise is unacceptable and that is something that we all do on occasion; or you actually meant it. Can't see another alternative. If it's the former withdraw it, if it's the latter at least have the courage to say so - you would like to see Christians slaughtered. Islamic State, Boko Haram and Al Shabaab have made a very promising start.