Subject: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST,Roneday Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:12 PM Hi The friends of the late Malcolm Douglas ( Of blessed memory) have conspired and perspired to raise the money to have his last scholarly effort (The revision of the Wanton Seed) published. It is now available. IF you are interested in acquiring a copy let me know and I will send you the details. ronaldday@talktalk.net All profits are to be divided between Macmillan Cancer Support and The Vaughan Williams Memorial Library at Cecil Sharp House. Good on Yer!! Roneday |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: michaelr Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:38 PM What is The Wanton Seed? |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:49 PM Posts by Malcolm Douglas. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:56 PM For those not familiar with the background, the Hammond & Gardiner manuscripts are some of the most important 19th Century collections of English folk song. They were first published by the EFDSS as a series starting in 1965 – selected, edited and prepared by the late Frank Purslow – as four slim, but influential, volumes entitled, "Marrowbones", "The Wanton Seed", "The Constant Lovers" and "The Foggy Dew". Out of print since the late 60's, the EFDSS were persuaded in 2006 to embark on re publishing the series. One of the chief instigators, the late Malcolm Douglas, was commissioned to undertake a revision and reworking of the collection starting with "Marrowbones". This first volume was subsequently re-published to great acclaim in 2007. Those who knew Malcolm will not be surprised to hear that his exhaustive and meticulous researches enabled him to improve and add much new information to the original. His principal collaborator on this project was Steve Gardham of Hull. Malcolm was subsequently commissioned to prepare the second volume, "The Wanton Seed" and it was while working on this that he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Finishing the book literally became a race against time. Malcolm's friends have now, once again "stepped up to the plate" and have undertaken to see "The Wanton Seed" re-published and available, partly because it will be an important contribution to the folk singing community and partly out of respect for the memory of a hugely talented and much missed colleague. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST,Anne Neilson Date: 13 Jun 15 - 04:24 PM Very interested in this material -- will email OP. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Jun 15 - 06:14 PM And let's not forget that The Wanton Seed is a lovely and mischievous song, well rendered by Nic Jones in a version that, one fine day, might see the light of day once again! |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Joe_F Date: 13 Jun 15 - 06:34 PM It is also a rather nasty novel (1962) by Anthony Burgess, taking its title from that song. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Joe_F Date: 13 Jun 15 - 06:37 PM I immediately thought of _The Wanting Seed_, a rather nasty novel by Anthony Burgess (1962). Sure enough, the title was taken from that song. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Jun 15 - 09:26 PM I was hoping to get a copy while I was here in Scotland. I contacted the publisher, who said that no booksellers in Edinburgh have the book in stock. So, I ordered it direct from the publisher. I'm guessing I might have saved a bit if I had waited for this thread? What's the procedure for ordering from the US? -Joe- |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST,Roneday Date: 14 Jun 15 - 05:44 AM Hi For details of how to acquire a copy of 'The Wanton Seed' email me at the address at the top of this thread or contact our publisher at info@francisboutle.co.uk |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST,matt milton Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:38 AM Does anyone know if a contents list of the book available anywhere? I'd really like to see a list of the song titles it includes? |
Subject: Index: The Wanton Seed From: Richard Mellish Date: 14 Jun 15 - 10:20 AM Scanned from my copy and most (I hope) of the OCR mistakes corrected. 14 Abroad as I'Was Walking 15 All through the Beer 16 All under the New-Morvn Hav 17 The Barley Raking 19 Bedlam 20 The Bed-making 2l Betsy the Serving-maid 22 Better for Maids to Live Single 24 Blow the Candle Out 25 The Blue Cockade 27 The Boatswain and the Thilor 29 The Bold Dragoon 30 Bonny Kate 3l The Boy and the Highwayman 33 Bright Phoebus 34 The Broken-Down Gentleman 35 ButtercupJoe 36 The Buxom Lass 38 Captain Ward 39 Catch-Me-if-You-Can 40 The Cluster of Nuts 42 The Country Carrier 44 The Crafry Maid's Policy 46 Creeping Jane 48 The Cruel Ship's Carpenter 50 The Cuckoo 51 The Dandy Husband 53 The Darling Boy 54 The Death of Parker 56 Down by the W'oods and Shady Green Thees 57 The Drowned Lover 58 Farewell, Dearest Nancy 59 Fathom the Bowl 60 The Female Drummer 62 The Female Highwayman 63 Flash Company 64 The Frolic 66 The Gay Ploughboy 68 George Collins 70 The Green Bed 72 The Green Mossy Banks of the Lea 74 Haymaking Courtship 75 The Herring Song 76 The Hostess's Daughter 77 I Am a Brisk Young Sailor 78 I'ze Yorkshire, though in Lunnon 80 If I Was a Blackbird 82 In a British Man-o'-\Var 83 John White 84 Johnny Sands and Betsy Haigh 85 Jolly Joe, the Colliert Son 86 King Henry's Three Sons 87 The Lady of Riches 89 The Lake of Colephin 90 The Lass of London City 92 Thc London Man-o'-War 94 Long Looked for, Come at Last 95 Lord Randal 96 Low Down in the Broom 98 Madam, I \Will Give to Thee 100 Madam, Madam, I'm Come a-Courting 101 The Man of Dover 103 Mathew the Miller 104 The Merry Cuckold 106 Molly and William 107 The Murdered Servant-man 109 My Good Old Man 111 My Husbandt Got No Courage in Him 112 My Jolly Roving Thr 114 Nancy 115 The New Deserter 116 Night Visit Song 118 Oh Dear, How I Long to Get Married! 119 Old Daddy Fox 121 Oid Mother Crawley 123 Old'Woman's Song 124 Poor Old Horse 126 The Prentice Boy 127 The Prickly Bush 129 The Queen of the May 130 Robin Hood and the Thnner 132 Rosemary Lane 133 The Roving Bachelor 134 The Sailor's Tragedy 136 Seven Months I've Been Married 137 Seventeen Come Sunday 138 Sheffield Park 139 The Shopkeeper 141 Six Jolly Miners 142 The Spotted Cow 143 T Stands for Thomas 144 Thrrytousers 145 Three Jolly Sneaksmen 146 Tom Barbary 145 The Unfortunate Lass 149 The Wanton Seed 150 Watercresses 152 Young Johnny Was a Ploughboy 153 Young Johnson |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Brian Peters Date: 14 Jun 15 - 11:04 AM For the benefit of those not familiar with the original volumes in the 'Wanton Seed' family (the others were 'Marrow Bones', 'The Constant Lovers' and 'The Foggy Dew'), they were possibly the most important source of easily accessible traditional English songs - after the Penguin Book itself – in the early years of the folk revival. Many singers plundered them repeatedly, and it's good to see two out of the four available again. The songs as presented are collations by Frank Purslow, which has the advantage that they are immediately singable, although to use them as given is to accept his editorial choices. Fortunately the new editions have laid bare his interventions and, with the Hammond and Gardiner manuscripts now online at The Full English, you can go back to the source and construct your own version if you want to. But many of the Purslow versions are very usable as they stand. Many thanks to Steve Gardham - of this parish - in continuing the labours of Malcolm Douglas - late lamented of this parish. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST,matt milton Date: 14 Jun 15 - 12:10 PM Thanks very much Richard. very kind of you |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Abby Sale Date: 14 Jun 15 - 12:41 PM I still have and still use 'Wanton Seed', 'Marrow Bones', and what we called 'The English Book of Penguin Songs'. I've plundered them, myself. I don't understand if I need the new book. If Malcolm has merely corrected and edited, then no but if he's added any scholarship at all, then yes. Please advise. In any event, excellence on you for the most valuable project. Abby |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: GUEST Date: 14 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM Malcolm and his colleague Steve Gardham corrected mistakes in the original and added a substantial amount of new information for the revised edition. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Gardham Date: 14 Jun 15 - 03:15 PM The main additions/alterations are we now know a great deal more about the evolution of each individual song and this is included, there are substantial discographies for each song, there is a substantial introduction on the likely origins and evolution of the songs in this corpus, and the different sources for both tunes and texts for Frank's collations are flagged up in great detail. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Gardham Date: 14 Jun 15 - 04:09 PM I ought to add the references to sources have also been updated a la Full English references, and the book no longer fits easily into the pocket but you don't need a magnifying glass to read it. It's nearly twice the size in all dimensions. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Abby Sale Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:43 AM :-) Excellent and no surprise. I want it. I'll write. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Gardham Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:17 AM If you want to hang fire a bit, I've just emailed Dick to see if he's interested in distribution on your side. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: dick greenhaus Date: 24 Jun 15 - 11:22 AM CAMSCO Music can now supply copies of the new edition od The Wanton Seed to US customers at the same price UK folks pay: 12.99 GBPounds, or $20.43 (US). As usual, with books CAMSCO doesn't publish, we require pre-ordering. Our facilities (and bank account) simply don't permit us to keep an inventory on hand. You can place an order by phone at 800/548-FOLK (800/548-3655) or E-mmail me at dick@camscomusic.com |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: dick greenhaus Date: 25 Jun 15 - 09:51 AM refresh |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Gardham Date: 25 Jun 15 - 04:51 PM Good luck with the sales, Dick. I'm always available here for any queries/comments on anything I've written in the book. The intro is a version of the paper I wrote on the relationship between popular music, cheap print and oral tradition. Examples can be seen on the Tradsong website. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: dick greenhaus Date: 28 Jun 15 - 02:05 PM Any more takers? THe US price will be $21 (including postage) This is a one-time deal, so if you're interested please let me know ASAP |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Steve Gardham Date: 28 Jun 15 - 03:08 PM Dick, have you asked on the Ballad List? I haven't heard from them for a while other than Dolores' EBay lists. |
Subject: RE: The Wanton Seed From: Richie Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:09 PM Dick, I'll go ahead and order a book on Monday, I'll email my contact info, Richie |
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