Help: nic jones reissue

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: 8_Pints
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 08:00 AM

Thanks "Pretty Dress" for the link to Fish records.

Our CD's arrived this morning and they are playing as I type.

Never realised that Dave Moran had written the tunes of so many songs that I thought were traditional.

Bob vG

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:12 PM

Hi Guest pbc.
I think its probably unlikely that there is much left in the NJ archive.
Between Mollie Music, and Topic records have just about emptied the cupboard.
But, 4 CDs of stuff that would otherwise never seen the light of day isn't bad!
And Nic's got a new knee out of it. Hurrah!
Shame we can't access the original albums
Ralph

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:34 AM

Unearthed (2001) also available from Mollie is a doubl CD of club, concert and studio recordings and is the follow-up to In Search Of.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,pbc
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:24 AM

Does anyone know if there's any more unreleased material from Nic?

The Mollie Music release In Search of Nic Jones is the best of the bunch, and certainly better than last years' release on Topic, but it'd be great if there were more come. Does anyone know?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,pretty dress
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 01:59 PM

I recently bought a set of discs and a signed songbook of Nic from Fish Records, The guy I spoke to when I ordered said they got all their discs and books direct from Nic and Julia and didn't touch the Bulmer reissues. Anyway the CDs and signed book arrived safe and sound and are excellent, here's an attempt at a blue clicky! Nic Jones discs and book

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,rogthedodge
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 11:15 AM

'Someone I know' had a different solution to the problem of acquiring the 4 CM albums.
'He' ripped them off the 'net and then sent Nic £5 for each one.
'He' knows he's done something that's probably wrong in law but feels he's done right morally.

'He' also bought the new albums & PE as 'he' felt that the money would, in part, end up where it was deserved.

Just a thought

Roger

PS 'he' also wonders why Ralphie never replied to the emails

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 07:39 AM

I thought Bulmer allowed Mick Tems family to re-release the material, rather than released it themselves?

There is so much garbage in defence of CM here that it's clear some guests are being deliberately dishonest - and, as I have suggested before, they are almost certainly directly connected to CM or to a certain paranoid individual who has an intense personal dislike of much of the English folk world.

As for 'signing away' rights - remember, a contract MAY be made verbally - I have a nasty suspicion that in many cases there is no trace of the claimed agreements. Where Bulmer is denying artists income which is legitimately theirs is by refusing to register his recordings with MCPS, denying the artists royalties.

Oh, and to remaster and re-release on CD is a very expensive business (as Ralphie can attest) - to do a CM-CDROM copy from an indifferent master is EXTREMELY cheap. Those who want to hear Nic Jones can and should buy the two Mollie Music recordings (and the early June Tabor and Silly Sisters albums if you just want his instrumental efforts).

Of course in a free world anyone is also free to support the work of the unscrupulous (ok, I can't spell that) and imoral Dave Bulmer - if that's the values they want to live by then that is their choice; no-one has ever denied that.

George (Hawes), as guest.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 06:09 AM

(Ralphie: Just back from two days at the Royal Welsh Show, watching our team ride. Don't suppose that counts though!)

It was me that mentioned Calennig, but I only got the information from a posting here, maybe on a thread on Mick Tems?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 02:48 PM

Someone mentioned earlier that Celtic Music has released the Calennig material...was this also on CDR?

Cheers.............Harry Basnett.

PS........nice to have you back, Ralphie.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Pat Cooksey, Germany.
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 06:16 AM

RALPHIE.

Yesterday I was looking through the folk c.d.'s in Muller in Nuremberg, a major German music store, next to the large Irish selection is a smaller one featuring English folk music, in this section is one of Bulmers re-issues BRIGHT PHOEBUS Leader 2000. Stuck in the back is a printed card Music by Mail P.O. Box 182 Harrogate England.

If Bulmer has products in Muller he must have a distributor here in Germany and presumably Nic Jones's re-release will also be available here. The price of BRIGHT PHOEBUS by the way is 35 EURO, which is very expensive.

Best wishes, Pat.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 01:53 AM

Out of interest GUEST Tim.....
Where exactly did you buy "Ballads and Songs" ? I can't find it anywhere...And I'd love to see a copy.
Have looked at the Beeb website. and yes!! Apparently CM have admitted that the release is a CDR....So, Tim....Don't leave your copy lying around in the sunshine. If I were you, I'd do a copy of it onto minidisc, cassette, whatever, PDQ !!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:04 PM

Back from My hols now.....feeling much better, and still taking the tablets!
Guest Tim. Glad you like Ballads and Songs. I have no problem with that. and, don't ever feel obligated to pay any more. You brought the disc in good faith, and that's that.
Graham T..... Interesting....Will have a look at the F on 2 site.
Anahata.....Sshhhhhh!!
Pat Cooksey.....Onward and upward....Good Luck
Pavane.....you should get out more !!!
And Finally GUEST (Jihad)...Thats how I know you...
Still waiting for a contact from you..My E address is readily available on this site....but, your silence is deafening...Explain??
Best wishes and a happy Summer to you all
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Nerd
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 01:29 AM

Guest, Tim

you're not evil for buying the CDR. I think we all understand your motives for doing so and as folkies we absolutely sympathize. Might I suggest again a small check to Nic for the royalties he won't get--if you can afford it, at least? You could send it to Mollie Music. Granted it's more a symbolic act than anything else, but hey...symbolism is important too!

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 10:07 PM

What a surprise! Have they also told them whether they are paying royalties?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: graham_t
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 08:00 AM

According to the BBCi folk message board CM have told the BBC that Ballads and Songs is indeed a CDR.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: RolyH
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 04:44 PM

Cilla Fisher
Tom Gilfellon>br> Jimmy Power
Pisces(Richard Digance)
Bill Caddick
Lea Nicholson
Jimmy Power
Jon Raven

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: treewind
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 02:41 PM

Ferchrisssake....
I've never met the president of the USA, but I believe he exists.....is he an urban myth?

I've sat in Pete Coe's house while he told me what happened with Banddoggs, Leader and Bulmer. Ralphie has told me more than he's ever going to post to this and other threads.

Perhaps none of it's true and they've all been hypnotized by aliens from outer space.

Conspiracy theories can sometimes go too far.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 09:08 AM

Anahata says:

"it's well known that Celtic Music does own both legal rights and master tapes"

Well known urban myths do not a legal case make. No one that I have seen has ever offered anything close to incontrovertible proof (copies of the contracts, bills of sale, etc.) of the sale of the Leader catalogue, masters, and rights to Celtic Music.

That supposedly "well known" fact, as Anahata puts it, is in fact a "widely believed presumption". No proof.

Pat Cooksey--I really do wish you the very best with your case. It would be good if someone COULD prove something against Celtic Music, so people could get some sort of feeling of resolution about this subject, and move on, just as life has and will for all the parties involved.

IMO, this jihad is now, and always has been a case of Brit begrudgery.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Tim
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:58 AM

I bought 'Ballads and Songs' on Saturday. It's wonderful music.

I do resent the fact that some people seem to think that I'm 'evil' for doing so.

Tim

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: treewind
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:49 AM

Guest - There is no mysterious sectret about it - it's well known that Celtic Music does own both legal rights and master tapes, which (at least in the controversial cases we're discussing here) were bought from Bill Leader when the latter's record company went bust.

There are two issues here:

• The moral one of refusing to release recordings for which there is some demand and which would benefit the recording artists by paying them some royalties. For people like Pete Coe who is pushing plenty of stuff out under his own label it doesn't matter too much: he's making a living and we can buy his music. For Nic Jones, it's far worse because of his inability to record and release new material. He makes no money and we don't get to hear his music. Legal, maybe, but still outrageous.
• The legal cases where breach of contract can be oved.

It seems that there is at least one strong legal case if Pat Cooksey has got his evidence right.

As for the CDR releases, it's all rather on the edge. With CDR numbers being untraceable, it's not easy to prove anything sufficiently convincingly to make a case. All you can sue for is provable financial losses, and as has been discussed above, the figures for each individual concerned may not be very much, while the legal costs of proof are high.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Pat Cooksey, Germany.
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:55 AM

In answer to guest, some of us can make a very strong case and are in the process of doing just that.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 02 - 10:17 AM

And a gong to Malcolm for stating the only point the matters here: does Celtic Music actually own the rights? Dave Bulmer, we know, has possession of the masters to the Leader catalogue. But when he bought them, did the rights come with them?

Presumably, there are people who know the definitive answer to that question. Very few, if any of us here, are among those who do have the definitive answer to that question. Rather, it is much more entertaining to engage in rumour mongering about it, so that is what we see happening here. A man everyone finds it very easy to hate, is routinely painted the villain, and a man everyone finds it easy to empathise with is routinely painted as a saint.

No legal issue in the music business is ever that simple though, is it? And Celtic Music, dastardly though Bulmer may be, must be doing something right, because it is still doing business under the name, and Bulmer hasn't stolen out of town in middle of the night. Yet.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 11:46 PM

Such actions have to be taken against the company that owns the rights, and cannot be taken against the individual directors of that company. Even if you win, all that will happen is that the company concerned will be liquidated with (on paper) no realisable assets, and another company, miraculously enough, will appear; with the same directors, and owning the same assets that belonged to the company against which you have a valid, but no longer enforceable, judgement. This kind of scam is perfectly legal under UK law (US law, too, I believe); if it happens regularly, the Department of Trade and Industry may investigate, but it is unlikely that they will take any action. Even if they do, the very worst that's likely to happen is that one or more of the directors may be disqualified from holding company directorships for a while. In such cases, they usually just transfer the companies to their wives, and continue to run them uninterrupted.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 10:14 PM

Don't suppose they want to throw good money after bad. Even if they succeed in their action, it can be VERY difficult to obtain any cash. And if they lose, the bills can be substantial.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 08:55 PM

Yes, and some of them can afford to pay a solicitor to sue the ass off Celtic Music & Bulmer. So why hasn't anyone got round to doing that do you suppose?

Answer: Because they can't make a case?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: RolyH
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 04:35 PM

Bob Davenport
Sid Kipper
Leon Rosselson
Martin Simpson
Swan Arcade
Dave and Toni Arthue
Martyn Wyndham Read
The Rakes
Cyril Tawney

And on and on and on...............

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 04:15 PM

Ralphie, I was thinking more of Non-Destructive Testing methods!

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: treewind
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 05:04 AM

Ron Olesko - the reason why Bulmer is selling CDR's is because if you have pressed CD's made in more than small test quantities the MCPS has to be notified. Conversely, if you make CDRs, you are accountable to nobody for the numbers produced. Hence you are not accountable for royalty payments. Celtic music has no MCPS* licence. You may draw your own conclusions.

I would guess that when that rule was made, nobody in their right mind would try to sell music on CDR. Blanks were expensive, the recording process was slow, CD recorders were expensive and the whole process was error prone. Now I can buy a box of 10 CDRs for a fiver and burn an hour of music in less that three minutes each...

Anahata

(*MCPS - Mechanical Copyright Protection Society - the UK authority for licensing the production and copying of recorded music)

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 02:37 AM

Pav.
Not a definitive response, but commercial CDs are stamped (a bit like LPs) and CD-Rs are produced by a pseudo photographic method.....Thus CDs are Silver, and I've seen CD-Rs coloured Green, Blue, Gold etc.
An easy way to prove what you've got, is to leave said disc in bright sunshine for a day or so.....!!If it doesn't play anymore, then it is - was (!) a CD-R!!
Regards
Ralphie

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 09:19 PM

Have we got an easy way to distinguish between CD and CDR? I understand it is not always obvious to the eye.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 08:20 PM

Oh God I Tried.....I really did try...Mea Culpa...
GUEST....I've just read your incredibly unpleasant remarks again.
What do you really mean by the phrase " Inspirational cripple stories?"
Do you mean that all of my hard work is a devious way to deprive Dave Bulmer of a lot of Wonga?? to the greater glory of the magnificent Nic Jones?? I don't think so!!
The only reason that a lot of people gave freely of their time and energy to produce the 2 retrospective NJ albums was because Mr Bulmer has consistently refused many, many, many, many (How many "Manys" do you want?????) artists,(apart from Nic) the rights to their own work, even after offers of deals have been made. Jesus...Poor old Tony Rose had to go to the lengths of re recording his own songs...And Lal Waterson never had the chance....
(Bright Phoebus... CD or CDR Discuss) Guest...(and I have no way of Knowing who you really are...)
Get in touch with me.....It's pretty obvious how....I've offered you the option before, and you didn't take it up...
Confidentiality assured...If not, and you keep posting vitriol...expect a very nasty response.
Game Over, Gloves off....
Ralph

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 07:41 PM

Guest Nerd...
Thanks for your (as usual) insightful comments.
Well done....let's have a beer sometime.!!
As for the GUEST immediately above your posting....May I politely suggest that you should go forth and muliply?
As we are talking camps....why do I get this feeling that the Celtic Music Camp is inhabited by GUESTS??
At least in the Jones (et al) camp,(Whatever that means) we all identify ourselves!
Discuss

And if indeed, GUEST, you have the connections that I think you have, then, you should hang your head in shame.
For all other readers, It's just Ralphie going off on one...
Surprised??
Regards Ralphie xx
Why do I get the feeling that 1, Not only have I've been flamed, but also 2, that time is running out for Celtic Music?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 01:58 PM

I agree there is a market for *some* previously unreleased material for many artists, dependent upon many variables (ie, condition of masters, popularity of the artists, current stage of nostalgia revival 1 & revival 2 consumers are in, etc).

As to whether releases can "survive" the current marketplace for reissues of old folk revival CDs, I think is also highly subjective, as is what constitutes economic viability for reissues. It is a damn fickle business, and once the initial PR surrounding a release dies down, so do sales, particular of artists who are deceased, or otherwise unable or unwilling to promote the CDs.

As has been said previously, the amount of money isn't very considerable for any of these reissues at the end of the day. Unless of course you can create a controversy to keep an artist/CD in the news, which is what I think has been the case with the Mollie Music releases. The amount of inspirational cripple stories that have been recently been written about Nic Jones are more than a sick parody at this point, IMO. As was the CD cover. I know--it was supposed to be funny.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 01:15 PM

Another artist affected, I believe, is 5 Hand Reel. Their 2 LP reissues on Black Crow give CM's address...Boy would I like to see those LPs reissued; both would just about fit on a CD.

By the way, GUEST, the argument that there would be no market for these albums is belied by what other labels are doing. Nic's topic album has been in print for years, so there's no reason to think his previous albums couldn't do as well. Topic's 4CD acoustic folk box, plus the great box sets on Free Reed, suggest that a well-packaged Nic Jones box set containing his earlier releases could survive in the marketplace, and Topic's Walter Pardon record suggests that the absence of Pardon's Leader material in the market actually opened a market opportunity for Topic. The Voice of the People series suggests that releases like Unto Brigg Fair could do fairly, as well.

I have no personal knowledge of Nic's original deal. What I have been given to understand by those who do was that he entered into a standard contract which gave the record company rights to the album and Nic the right to a royalty from sales. There is no question of "selling the rights to his songs" because few of the songs were written by Nic, and Nic has never seemed to begrudge the use of his arrangements to other singers; everyone from Martin Carthy to Mary Black has mined Nic's catalog for ideas. The question of why seems obvious: it's the standard way for records to get made and marketed. As for the solicitor question, it would strike me as unlikely, because the original contract would have been between Nic and Bill Leader, a personal friend.

It may be that the reason why the so-called "Jones Camp" has never answered these questions to GUEST's satisfaction is that Nic has suffered substantial memory loss from the years before his accident. It is possible that he dosn't even remember the details himself.

Everyone, too, should keep in mind that Nic rarely comments publicly on these matters himself. No excesses of hand-wringing pathos should be laid at his door, even if people like me who wish him the best might get that way sometimes!

Anyway, enough conjecture and innuendo! I think buying a CD burned from someone's record collection is essentially the same thing as buying a CDR from Bulmer, except that you don't support Bulmer's legal defense. Otherwise, you're still buying a bootleg and not supporting the artist. If you do buy, consider sending a small check to Mollie music as well as a "royalty." Then I think what you're doing would be ethical, if not strictly legal.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 01:09 PM

Guest Colin.
A very interesting point you make. Hadn't heard of this guy before, but what he's doing is hardly surprising, and although I don't condone it, I don't condemn it either.
It's just an inevitable consequence of the world we now live in.
The Pandoras box that is the Web has been opened, and no amount of moaning will shut the lid!!
So, Buy, if you wish, and I hope you enjoy the music.
Thanks for the thoughtful comments.
Regards Ralphie
Who said that all property is theft....Karl Marx??

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST,Colin
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 11:03 AM

As an uninvited guest wanting to make an informed choice on whether to go and buy this CD or not I've found this thread both helpful and infuriating. Like some of you I'm torn between desperately wanting to own this music and do the right thing by the artist.

However, I'd like to pick up on a point made earlier which pretty much said that we'd all tape the records off a friend anyway and what's the difference.

If you go to this site (http://www.beatmerchant.co.uk) this nice young gentleman will burn off a CD copy of all three Nic Jones old solo albums for £15 a time.

You may think this is the same as buying from CM because Nic doesn't benefit. But this guy doesn't profess to be doing anything more than 'taping' his own record collection for money. Do you think this is a way forward for us all?

By the way, I haven't bought either offer yet.

Colin

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: RolyH
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 06:14 PM

With proper marketing there are a number of recordings,other than the Nic Jones albums,which would sell well by 'folk' standards.Bandoggs,Boys of the Lough,John Kirpatricks first album spring to mind.
Just think what could be done with a well packaged CD of 'Unto Brigg Fair'or'A Song for Every Season'
It's just a lot of fine music going to waste.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: pavane
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 05:29 PM

No-one has ever claimed that what CM does makes sense!

By the way, Mick Tems (of Calennig) was also on the list, but after his stroke last year, I believe CM DID reissue some of his recordings. Inconsistent eh?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 03:08 PM

John Prine and Arlo Guthrie are two notable artists who have also re-recorded their original albums. It is a shame that Nic isn't able to do the same.

Ron

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:34 PM

Incidentally, two years ago the late Tony Rose launched an album under his own steam called 'Bare Bones' which featured freshly recorded versions of some of the tracks off his 'missing' albums...as far as 'folk sales' are concerned I don't think that CD did too badly!

Harry Basnett.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:29 PM

Dear Guest...

What about other artists promoting their albums? Tony Rose; Pete bellamy; Pete and Chris Coe; Tim Laycock; etc.?

Yours (wishing this could get sorted) Harry Basnett.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 01:06 PM

Another important quesition (1a perhaps) would be what exactly did Nic Jones sign away. Was it the royalties or the recordings. They might be separate issues.

Is there a website for David Bulmer and whatever record company he may have? I am just curious as to what he is selling currently and in what form. You can send me a private e-mail, it isn't necessary to give promotion to whatever site might be available.

One "topic" that was mentioned in these discussions - CD-R's. IF Bulmer was selling CD-R's without labeling it as such, that is wrong. It is also a very dumb and expensive way to make copies. Depending on quantities that are being produced, CD-R's can be more costly than an replicated CD. Here in the U.S. a number of record labels offer CD-R's for out of print recordings that can't be justified for a general release. The CD-R's are labeled as such and cost more for the consumer because of the labor involved. The consumer understands what they are purchasing. Smithsonian Folkways offers this service and I belive Folk-Legacy still does as well. For collectors, CD-R's represent a rare opportunity to own a recording that would otherwise be unavailable. Again, I don't know how Bulmer was marketing his CD-R's, if he was selling them, but if they were being sold in the manner some people have suggested he needs to sit down and do the math.

Ron

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 11:58 AM

I have several questions which have never been satisfactorily answered by the Jones camp.

1) When did Nic Jones sell the rights to his songs, and to whom? Why did Nic Jones sell his rights, and did he consult a solicitor with experience in such matters before he signed those rights away?

2) Considering that Nic was no longer able to perform and promote his records after his accident, just how was him regaining the rights to his work supposed to have made a substantial economic difference in his and his family's quality of life?

3) What record label would have sunk their financial and other resources into Nic Jones reissues when there was no market for them for most of the past 20 years, and Nic wasn't able to promote them for sale after the hypothetical release?

4) Why do the Jones camp feel the above issues, when discussed rationally, somehow means that all Nic Jones' or Peter Bellamy's problems in life should be laid at the doorstep of the person/company who owns the masters and the rights to their material?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:35 AM

Of course, with respect to all the artists above, some would not sell many copies nowadays, so, for a struggling record label, it would be well nigh impossible to finance the release of such a huge body of work. Which makes the lack of publicity for the release of (arguably) two of the Jewels in the crown, namely "Ballads and Songs" and "Bright Phoebus" even more inexplicable.
Ralphie....(Shuffling off left, shaking his head!)

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:25 AM

Not absolutely certain, but possibly (via Rubber)
Caddick, Laycock,Bond
Hedgehog Pie
John Doonan
The Sheffield Christmas Carol album

Yes, Harry, this goes far beyond Nic...
And, Just a thought.
Whatever people may think of Nic as an artist, it can't be denied that he was fairly influential in his time.
So, the re release of his first album should have been announced with fanfares of many trumpets, full page ads in Folk Roots and elsewhere. Indeed anything to maximise sales. What do we get, One mention on Folk on 2 (no mention on their excellent web site).
I didn't actually see much promo material for "Bright Phoebus" or "Lord of all I behold" either!
What sort of record company doesn't want to sell records!
It's beyond me!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: RolyH
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 05:29 PM

A few more

John Kirkpatrick
Walter Pardon
The North Carolina Boys
Mike Harding
Seamus Tansey & Eddie Cochrane

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 04:42 PM

So it should be clear to any newcomers to the UK folk scene and 'catters from elsewhere in the world that we are dealing with something a great deal bigger than just Nic's recordings here!! This is a wealth of valuable second revival material to which we have no access!

I do not wish to labour a point here...I just want people to realise why this situation is so imortant to so many people and why, I'm afraid, this saga will run and run!!

Harry Basnett.

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: RolyH
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 04:21 PM

I forgot

Pete and Chris Coe
Barbara Dickson
Bandoggs
Aly Bain
Mike Whellans
Tim Lyons
The Copper Family
Seamus Innes
Jack Elliot
Martin Byrnes
Plus countless "field" recordings

Any More?

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 04:16 PM

Oh...and Bandoggs of course

Subject: RE: Help: nic jones reissue
From: Ralphie
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 04:15 PM

Pete and Chris Coe (at least 2 albums, if not all three)

Ralphie