BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison

Subject: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:51 PM

just heard this on BBc Radio 4 drive time programme, apparently its £3,000 per year, so get sentenced to 20 years for a crime you did not commit, you will be charged £60,000, you don't have to pay it in cash though, they can deduct it from any damages you are owed for false imprisonment!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:55 PM

??

I think yer drunk again John...

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:58 PM

perfectly sober Clinton,
go to wwwbbc.co.uk/radio4, then click listen again, you will hear the full article for yourself.

Did anyone else hear it?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Amergin
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:05 PM

I can't find it John. I cannot find anything about it anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:21 PM

I couldn't find it - but I remember in the case of the Bridgewater Three, who were imprisoned for 18 years before an appeal decided they'd been wrongly convicted of murder, the Government tried to have a sizeable sum deducted from the damages they eventually received, on the grounds that, while in prison, they'd had been saved the cost of rent and food and so forth.

The court threw it out, but it sound as if the same crafty bureaucrats are having another crack at someone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: harvey andrews
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 02:35 PM

Yes I heard the same story. They're to be charged B+B for wrongful imprisonment, theory being they've been compensated for years when they didn't pay for meals. I've checked the diary and it isn't April 1st yet.
Unbelievable.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:11 PM

Do they charge Tony Blair rent for Number Ten? Perk of the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:18 PM

clearly it is the fault of these people that they were incarcerated - having not proved themselves innocent - therefore incurring cost to the state for the housing and board for years until their unscruplous manipulation of the system is revealed. ONly fitting they pay.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:23 PM

Think of what they save on going down the pub, for a start. Or the supermarket. And no Council Tax to pay either. They must be quids in.

Skiving, that's what they are doing. And it's not as if they are even entitled to be in prison in the first place...

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 03:31 PM

It used to be common practice for bums and vagrants to intentionally get caught committing minor crimes as winter approached so they'd get tossed in the county jail and have someplace warm to live during cold weather. Today's "three strikes" rules have probably killed off the practice. First offense may still be 30 days and second offense 90 days, but third offense could mean years in prison.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:19 PM

They must have saved loads on wear and tear on clothes too, presumably the government issue those suits with arrows on. They also been kept very safe from things like car accidents, trees falling on the heads, tripping over irregular paving stones, being shot by trigger happy policmen and all sorts of stuff in the outside world. Surely that must also have a calculable financial value?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:42 PM

No TV licence to buy. No dog licence - no dog food, for that matter. No expenses with holiday trips. Don't have to pay for running a car.

Some people don't know when they are lucky.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 05:03 PM

The begining of this was passed by the tories some years ago. Where, if you were injured by a third party from whom damages, compensation etc was recoverable and you managed to obtain such. Then your employer was able to reclaim any sick pay and or other expenses that you had received from your recieved compensation.Pretty shitty stuff, since it would in the early days, wipe out any actual compensation for pain and suffering. However, lawyers soon caught on, and therefore claims for compensation escalated in the amounts persued.

Of course,many of these claims only run into thousands, but consider the amounts paid out for libel etc-there is no clawback on things like this. (Maybe because generally only the rich are libelled)

As usual it's the rich wot gets the pleasure.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST,BIG ANDY
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM

CHEEKY TWAT'S
I think it could be time to get that scaffolding outside the second window of whitehall again, and get rid of the people who think this crap up

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: darkriver
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:16 AM

This is for real. I'm surprised that all you Brits can't find the threads. David Blunkett, the Labour Home Secretary, has proposed in the Royal Courts of Justice in London for the right to charge victims of miscarriages of justice more than £3000 for every year they spent in jail while wrongly convicted. The logic is that the innocent man shouldn't have been in prison eating free porridge and sleeping for nothing under regulation grey blankets. See the article here:
We locked you up in jail for 25 years and you were innocent all along? That'll be £80,000 please.

Worthy of Old Dean Swift himself.

darkriver

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:27 AM

What next allow long term prisoners the right to buy their own prison cell?

Estate agents would have a field day.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:44 AM

Quoute "No TV Licence to pay"

McGrath-if you are in jail, and you have a telly in your cell, you have to pay for it, it's not free!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 03:49 AM

good lord -the Americans could make a fortune in Guantanemo Bay!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: mooman
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:02 AM

So it's free if you're guilty or do they get a bill as well on release?

Truly this has finally convinced me that the remotest glimmer of sense has finally left this government.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:03 AM

I don't know if it is still the case but years ago, if you were injured in a road traffic accident and you were at fault, you had to pay for the ambulance that saved you.
eric

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:04 AM

mooman-if youre guilty you get to stay in jail totaly free, [apart from paying for your telly if you want one],

if youre innocent, you must pay [its about £70 a week].

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:06 AM

eric-its still the case, [its about £45], pedestrians don't pay, and motorists can hand the bill to their insurance co.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:12 AM

A few years ago, I was knocked off a motorbike by a hit an run driver, I recieved a bill from the hospital for the ambulance journey, i was a bit fed up at this, so rung them up "you can fick off , if you think i'm paying that",
the reply was "pay it, or we'll sue you in the County Court"!

i got my insurance co. to pay it, but next time i go to hospital after an accident, i will phone a taxi, it will be a lot cheaper!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:16 AM

On the insurance thing - yes, emplyers can claw back wages paid but his has always been IN ADDITION to damages paid to the injured party who gets his full whack from the Insurer. Insurers now also have to pay the cost of hospital treatment - ove £400 for outpatient treatment and approx. £400 per day for a stay in hospital up to a limit of £10,000. There are moves afoot to make Insurers pay the whole cost of treatment which, in the case of a paraplegic, could be astronomical. Watch your motor premiums rise accordingly!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:24 AM

Anyone got any facts on whether Tony Blair has to pay rent for his flat above the shop in Number Ten?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:49 AM

Kevin -he's got the bigger one over number eleven - do you think that Gordon has charged him extra for that?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 07:05 AM

When wounded and dying US soldiers are shipped to German hospitals they are personally charged for their meals and other basics.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 07:20 AM

Hey, what if the innocent prisoner owned his/her place & wasn't renting, will they just be charged for their food?

Reminds me of the Chinese habit of charging the family for the bullet used to execute their (late) member!

Some years back a relative who is a nurse said that non-essential travel in an ambulance was charged for. Emergencies were not, but calling an ambulance for travel to a medical or hospital appointment was a different matter. Recently I saw a poster in a Health Funds window saying their customers can pay $270pa to be covered for ambulance cover.

sandra (healthy & staying that way)

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 08:05 AM

So if the government wins this court case, will a convicted kidnapper be able to claim similar money from the kidnapee?

Will Terry Waite have to pay a fortune to some people in Beriut?

The logic seems inescapable.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 05:07 PM

Do they use lots of bad drugs in Whitehall?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: MARINER
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 05:34 PM

This is the same kind of skewed thinking that until the last world war stopped the pay of sailors who had been torpedoed.Once the ship sank they were deemed to be unemployed.Many poor devils who had subbed a few weeks pay ended up owing the company money for the privilage of being blown up.!

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 07:44 PM

Could someone gve a link to the actual case?

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Schantieman
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM

...er...sounds like someone ought to write a song about this....

S

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:17 AM

In 1967 I got knocked off my Lambretta by a dog not far from Brigg .(and before you ask, yes THE Brigg of 'Fair' fame). I propped my Lambretta and sundry now-disconnected pieces of same in a farm gate and walked three miles to Brigg hospital where I got patched up with elastoplast and had a tetanus shot. I then walked three miles back to my Lambretta, tied the now-disconnected pieces on the carrier, and pushed it the eighteen-or-so miles back to Gainsborough. Started the push about 2 pm, arrived home about 10 pm.

Several weeks later a bill arrived from the hospital for my treatment. It was £1-10s-6d in old money (about £1-52 in silly money). Inlation since 1967 has been at least 500%, so my £1-10s-6d translates to around £760, which makes jOhn's £45 for being picked up in an ambulance a snip.

Just thought I'd tell you that. :0)

JB

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:18 AM

Or inFlation even.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST,Thawed out now.
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:36 PM

In 1984 ish I was pratting around on a very understanding friend's Bonneville in Durham, on disused land near gravelly railway sidings.
The inevitable happened and the back wheel slid, being only five foot four inches tall, I admirably grappled for control,thinking of his newly custom painted tank, and swiftly lost it.

Ended up in casualty with the understanding friend, and a broken bone in my foot. As luck would have it the attending dashing young doctor who was also a Triumph fan took pity on me, and explained that you only have to pay if the motor vehicle is moving at the time of the accident. He wrote his report to say that I was merely sitting astride the stationary Bonnie and it fell to one side, thus injuring the now throbbing foot.

The upside was I didnt get hit with a hefty bill. The downside was it snowed about 12 inches that night and I had to endure my journey back to London the next day riding pillion, with a pair of crutches under my left arm and my now balloon sized foot wrapped in plastic bags and scarves propped up on the same understanding friends thigh.

Not a good way to travel. But better than a night in a cell, marginally.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Mar 04 - 04:35 PM

Aaaaah, the joys of two-wheeled travel! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST,~A WIFE~
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 02:09 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: GUEST,Yorkshire Lad
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 05:16 AM

Well done jOhn for pointing this out, I didn`t see Clinton Hammond return with an "i`m sorry", likely too busy wiping the egg of his mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: Peace
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 03:32 AM

Thing is, innocent people ARE being charged for prisons already. They are called tax payers.

Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 08:14 PM

"What next allow long term prisoners the right to buy their own prison cell?"

Well, I have seen documentaries about some South American prisons which run that way... and some which allow the family - kids & all - to live with the prisoner inside the jail. They can walk in and out freely, while dad has to stay. businesses are even run form within the jail... a family has to live you know...